UPDATED – ITQ Exclusive: Republican for Ignatieff speaks!

by kadyomalley on Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:17am - 179 Comments

Last week, ITQ sent off an email to the contact address for republicansforignatieff.com, asking if the group’s creator would be willing to take part in a quick Q&A with macleans.ca. This morning, we got a reply. Full text — and ITQ’s comments — after the jump:

Thanks for your e-mail and interest in the site.


I should tell you right off the top that I am not a media savvy individual nor do I crave media attention for myself.  This is not about me it’s about Michael Ignatieff.

Our group is small (but growing) and members live in both the United States and Canada.

The site is what it is:  a modest attempt to show why Republicans want Michael Ignatieff to become Prime Minister of Canada.

We’ve received several thousand unique visitors – more than we imagined.

Speaking for myself, I can tell you:

-  I live in the United States.

-  Everyone, except my Mother, calls me The Colonel.

-  I am deeply invested in foreign affairs.

-  I believe energy security is the single biggest foreign affairs challenge facing America.

-  I first discovered Michael Ignatieff when I picked up a copy of Blood and Belonging in 1994.

-  Although I don’t agree with everything Michael Ignatieff stands for, particularly on social policy, I strongly support him on energy security and the war on terror, the two issues that matter most to me.  I suspect this is the case for most other Republican supporters of Michael Ignatieff.

-  I also admire Ignatieff for his willingness to admit hard truths that many Canadians are unwilling to accept, particularly the strategic importance of the tar sands, the need for coercive interrogation as a tool in the war on terror, and the irrelevance of Canadian foreign policy under the Chretien and Martin administrations.  In challenging the conventional wisdom of his own party, he reminds me a great deal of Tony Blair who took on the trade unions and the peace movement and re-invented the British Labour Party, culminating of course in his courageous support of President Bush in Iraq.

At this point, we have not, as a group, decided on an official spokesperson.

Over time, we hope to inform, educate and recruit more people to join us in backing Michael Ignatieff.

Thanks again for your interest.

The Colonel

Okay, so — any thoughts, commenters?

ITQ will confess to experiencing a momentary pang of doubt upon reading the above missive: Could R4I actually be … legit? Could a small — “but growing” — contingent of unabashed Bush/Cheney and now, it appears, Tony Blair apologists have joined forces to elect a torture-supporting tar sands supporter to the highest office in another land? Would someone with the moniker of “The Colonel” really misrepresent his or her true intentions? A second later, of course, she answered her last question, at least; well, of course they would. It would be a pretty lame piece of political performance art if they couldn’t stay in character for one emailed media response.

Not that we’re saying they necessarily are, in this case — I mean, stranger things have happened, although you have to wonder what The Colonel and friends have to say about Ignatieff’s subsequent  sorta mea culpaish essay on Iraq, which appeared in the New York Times Magazine in 2007, yet doesn’t seem to have made it to the R4I site.

As for his fervent support for the tar sands — well, notice the repeated use of that particular term, which, as the Tyee noted while covering an Ignatieff event earlier this year, is one that the Liberal leader seems to deliberately avoid, since it is almost exclusively employed by opponents of the project:

“It is awe-inspiring,” he said, adding that the controversial project boasts enough oil to last the rest of this century.

“We’ve got oil reserves there that are just staggering in size. It changes everything about our economic future. It changes everything about Canada’s importance in the world.”

Ignatieff’s comments came in response to a question from a woman in the audience, who used the term “tarsands” – a description used by opponents of the project.

“This is where a chill falls over the room because everybody expects me to say they’re terrible and shut them down,” said Ignatieff. “Absolutely not.”

Using the term “oilsands” – the description preferred by the industry – Ignatieff said the oil will allow Canada to stand up to incoming U.S. president Barack Obama.

“But the challenge is it’s dirty and we’ve got to clean it up,” he added.

The reference to Tony Blair having taken on “the trade unions and the peace movement” is also revealing, and would tend to suggest that, whatever the leanings of the writer, the intended audience is almost certainly that segment of the voting population that straddles the red-orange divide. Or, as Commenter Dakota would put it, the “Lib-Lefties”, although ITQ wouldn’t necessarily capitalize either L.

The one-off shot at the “irrelevance of Canadian foreign policy under the Chretien and Martin administrations” may also be telling, because even amongst left-leaning big-L Liberals, there are few who would lump the two together in that context; over on the other side of the aforementioned divide, however, there is a tendency to wave away such distinctions. (“Liberal, Tory, same old story”, anyone?)

Anyway, despite all that, ITQ is still not sure who the most likely suspect is, although honestly, she’s just not buying the Stephen Taylor theory at the moment. It’s just too pat. Her tentative best guess: a third party lobby group — probably, but not necessarily Canadian — and not one formally associated with any of the major political parties, but with moderate to strong NDP leanings.  Heck, it could even be those shadowy Sorosian skullduggerists who popped up during the last election, much to the consternation of the Conservatives.

So? What do the rest of you think now?

UPDATE: A card-carrying Shadowy Republican Operative, albeit not one who would describe himself as “for Ignatieff”, points out via email that there is, in fact, another possibility:

I do know a guy who was a Marine Colonel who cares about foreign policy and energy. Allen Weh, the former chair of the New Mexico Republican Party

Fits all your facts :)



Make of that what y’all will. And yes, I am on speaking terms with a Republican — more than one, even.  I do have a life outside this blog, you know.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crown_N_Anchor Crown_N_Anchor

    I have enjoyed this article, I think it a good read.

    My comment;

    A few years ago the LPC tried to portray Stephen Harper as a MONSTER who was all about George W Bush. It would appear that Michael Ignatieff is that MONSTER.

    Mr Ignatieff I would not want you as my neighbour.

    • Mike T.

      Minus one billion.

  • Mulletaur

    *hooks left pinky in corner of mouth, imitating a hooked fish*

    Geeeesh.

  • S. Dion

    It was moi.

  • Saskboys Homeboy

    Yeah, for sure, its a conservative dirty trick, cuz everone knows the libs are good and the reform-a-tory-con-bot-redneck party is bad, {give me an amen there lib brothers and sisters}.
    Libs always play nice but those dastardly bot-con-reform-a-bot-dots fool us everytime with their lower than low dirty sneaky, low down political games.
    Remember that the Harper fella is running around with the body of christ in his suit jacket, probably kilt another Michael {the beat it guy}, dissing gays with gay abandon and making life in Canada for us libs a veritable "Hell on earth", and not just cuz we live in Toronto either.
    The tory war room has hypno-tized the Al Gore internet and will probably cut funding to liberal arts next.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      So — you're suggesting this is actually a diabolically clever reverse-counter-intel move by the Liberals? You can start a new line over there — and welcome to the speculation circus!

      • ray-bob

        it's me , Ray- Bob Mc Nabob

  • Ali

    Boring! This is so inconsistent; it's not even a good troll. That part about "coercive interrogation" isn't even the term Republicans are currently using – that's "enhanced interrogation techniques". Of course, real supporters of the tar/oilsands don't actually say "tarsands" either. And everyone interested in foreign policy would make distinctions between Chrétien and Martin – except a Conservative, dismayed by the coolness between America and Canada during the Bush years.

    Lastly, the most inconsistent thing is a Republican even being this interested in Canada, unless they were paid to be. Republicans who are interested in foreign policy tend to be obsessed with the Middle East, almost to the exclusion of any other topics.

    Clearly a case of an ill-informed Tory trying to push mainstream Liberal/NDP hotbuttons – the environment and Ignatieff's hawkish history in the United States.

  • knick

    whois:
    Registrant:
    republicansforignatieff.com Domain Administrator
    c/o RespectMyPrivacy, LLC (republicansforignatieff.com@RespectMyPrivacy.COM)
    PO BOX 484
    COCOA
    FL,32923-0484
    US
    Tel. +1.8664570078
    Fax. +1.8663909061

    Do we know anyone with a Florida connection?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      RespectMyPrivacy is a fairly well-known — and well-used — registrar that provides identity cloaking, although I think at this point, most registrars do offer that service, mostly because it was just too darned easy to figure out who was behind stealth websites through a simple whois.

    • http://www.twitter.com/lobbycanada Lobbycanada

      That address isn't relevant. It's for the intermediary 'Respect My Privacy'. They are the group that took Kady's email and forwarded it to the (secret) true site contact, I suspect.

      As an earlier poster pointed out, there is some DNS evidence though:

      republicansforignatieff.com
      DNS:
      ns.phx7.nearlyfreespeech.net
      ns.phx8.nearlyfreespeech.net

      canadians4democracy.ca
      DNS:
      ns.phx6.nearlyfreespeech.net
      ns.phx8.nearlyfreespeech.net

      Now that isn't a sure sign that they are the same person, but it's compelling evidence that they are connected at least. I'm told canadians4democracy.ca was a Steven Taylor thing.

      I think this is a Tory war-room creation and we are all being played by spending so much time on it. Maybe it's the Pooping Puffin people who have learned how to hide anonymously.

      • knick

        OK, but it's still fun to try to figure out whodunit.

      • http://fullyoffset.blogspot.com Jon

        Am I crazy for believing Stephen when he says that he is not paid by the CPC but rather by the Manning Foundation?

        Stephen Taylor /= the Tory War Room from what I know

        • John D

          Not everyone in a war room is paid

  • CAPS

    Now I'm no lawyer (or fancy, big-city lawyer as the "The Colonel" might say) but the central question is Cui bono?

    To my mind, the weight of the evidence so far points to the Conservatives or one of their proxies.

    • Anon

      I could be a joint effort. Dipper, Tory, same old story.

      • CAPS

        From joining in non-confidence against the Martin government through the last election the Dippers and the Cons certainly have had a deepening relation against the Liberals and engaged in much the same behaviour (attacking Stéphane Dion and mounting the same opposition to the Green Shift).

        Same old story indeed.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

    Americans – Republican or otherwise – showing an interest in Canadian politics is akin to Candians getting involved in a senatorial race in Rhode Island. We just don't matter that much to them.

    Regardless of who implemented the site, the key question is whether such a line of criticism will meaningfully sway voters.

    My guess is not, and that only blog-haunting political addicts will pay attention. But I'm often wrong about this sort of thing, so ya never know.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      My guess is no — not this particular site, at least, which, at the moment, is basically a one-off joke, and seems too static to encourage return visits by anyone other than an armchair forensic anthropoliticalwebologist. But if the strategic use of satire as a weapon takes off here, as it did in the US during the last election, it would behoove all of us who cover and follow the Canadian political scene to sharpen our skills at spotting spoofs — and uncovering the source.

      • knick

        So, it *could* be Dick Cheney, in a wading pool, with a blunderbuss?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/janicemaerose janicemaerose

          LMAO – good one Knick

  • RayK

    "[I]t [the term "tar sands"] is almost exclusively employed by opponents of the project"

    Kady, I'm amazed that you've fallen for this silly propaganda. The term "tar sands" is over a hundred years old; whereas the term "oil sands" is a recent invention that originated with the oil industry to shift the focus away from environmental concerns.

    "The name tar sands was applied to bituminous sands in the late 19th and early 20th century… oil sands (or oilsands) is more commonly used in the producing areas than tar sands"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_sands#History

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      Actually, I don't think that disproves my theorizing in this context. In fact, you go on to confirm that "oilsands" is, indeed, the term preferred by the oil industry, and its supporters. Perhaps you thought I was using "opponents" as some sort of pejorative, but I assure you I was not. It's interesting for exactly the reason you state.

      • RayK

        I agree with you about the implications vis a vis the website; the "silly propaganda" to which I was referring is the idea that term tar sands "is almost exclusively employed by opponents of the project".

        The name "oil sands" is a propaganda term invented to whitewash the true nature of the tar sands. It has gotten to the point that not only are proponents of tar sands development using the term "oil sands", but they're succeeding in convincing people that "oil sands" is actually the original or correct term and that "tar sands" is the propaganda term. Media outlets have even started using the term "oil sands"–presumably because they think "tar sands" is the alternative made-up by opponents and environmentalists. That skews the debate.

        My comment was related only to your characterization of the term, not the implications it had for who created the website. When I see a reporter such as yourself–who is known for delving down into the details–use treat the propaganda term as if it were the generally accepted term, it's frustrating.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

          I really didn't intend it as an implied endorsement of the term "oilsands" — in fact, I think in my original post on this subject, I noted that "oilsands" is used almost exclusively by the project's supporters. In this case, it was more like reading something ostensibly written by a Canadian, and spotting the American spelling of "color" — it's not a judgment call on which one is correct, but a possible clue as to the identity of the author. But I promise that in future, I'll be more careful!

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

          Ray K is wrong.

          Technically, the sands are called "bituminous sands". Calling them "tar sands" is incorrect because the sands do not contain tar. They contain bitumen and extra-heavy oil. Most scientists and engineers use the word "oilsands" – not because it is politically correct but because it is more accurate. "Tar sands" is an outdated colloquialism.

          • RayK

            So, but tthat's just not correct. Tar sands were named tar sands long ago, not because they contain tar, but because they look like tar. Names do not have to be based on the chemical contents of an item. The name "tar sands" has persisted for over a hundred years; it is the name. Any expert on linguistics would agree.

            The term "oil sands" is used by the oil industry and tends to be common only in areas where there is tar sands oil production. It is not a scientific term at all.

      • RayK

        I agree vis a vis the implications as to who created the website; the "silly propaganda" to which I was referring was the claim that the term "tar sands" is "almost exclusively employed by opponents of the project".

        The term “oil sands” was invented to whitewash the true nature of the tar sands. It’s one thing for proponents of tar sands development to insist on referring to them as oil sands, but it’s gotten to the point where an increasing number of people actually think the “oil sands” is the correct or original term. Even media outlets have started referring to them that way–presumably because they think tar sands is the made-up propaganda term.

        So, it’s frustrating to see a journalist such as yourself–who is known for delving into details–further this myth.

        • RayK

          Oops! I thought I had lost my original comment. Sorry for the double post.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

    "Would someone with the moniker of “The Colonel” really misrepresent his or her true intentions?"

    One acronym and one word: KFC and pentaverate….

  • A reader

    Also, I think I read one of the Liberal bloggers to say that they were sent taunting emails last year about some of the black ops Conservative websites, so it does sound like this sort of thing is in the playbook.

    • A reader

      Yes, I did … d'uh … it was BigCityLib on this comments page right here. Sorry, man.

  • Calgary Junkie

    As to ITQ's central question, we obviously need more clues from the site itself.

    But how would one interpret a pooping elephant ?

    Republican or Tory ?

  • flaggman

    Sheesh, Kady, this is pathetic. Any journalist with integrity would have e-mailed back and said "provide me your true identity, or I can't write about your organization". Simple as that. Instead, you've given us a complete waste of time. And you commenters spinning your boring speculative theories – why bother? Until a real journalist writes a story about an actual human being who has started an actual organization that has actual relevance, this whole thing is completely meaningless.

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      Actually, I'd already written about the site a few days ago, at which point I emailed them — they didn't email me. I've been very upfront with readers about how much — or, in this case, little — I know about the authors of the site, or their agenda, and I've been clear when I am speculating based on the evidence at hand. I'm sorry if you feel that this somehow demonstrates a lack of journalistic integrity, but I believe I've handled this in an entirely responsible manner. You are, of course, free to disagree.

      • flaggman

        My point was: you are just playing games instead of doing actual journalism. Anyone can exchange e-mails with an anonymous joker. You are being paid to report news. If the owner of the site is some sort of political operative, then that's worthy of Macleans. But it seems like you don't want to know who's behind it, which makes us readers question: what is your motivation? And on that note, one could conclude: you just want to tie this to the Conservative party by implication, even if it's not true. And if that is the case, that is totally irresponsible and makes you part of the problem that is dragging journalism into the ground.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

          Except I'm stating that actually, the evidence would point *against* the Conservative party, but carry on. berried, bien sur.
          From: IntenseDebate Notifications

        • knick

          That's quite a stretch claiming that Kady seems to not want to know who's behind the site.
          Her motivation should be obvious – is there any news here to report on.
          You do not speak for me or, I suspect, most of the other readers here.
          If you check the comments, it's not Kady who's tying this to the Conservative party.
          I suggest to you that Kady is one of the few journalists in this country who does 'actual journalism'.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

    My apologies, Hollinm, I made the mistake of responding to your first comment as though you were genuinely interested in discussing the issue. Having subsequently checked your previous contributions, I realize that is, in fact, not the case, so I will leave you to weave your cartoon-like caricatures of the world around you in peace. Enjoy!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/surecure4109 Surecure

    I just love how, whenever Michael Ignatieff's past comes back to haunt him, the media never discusses the issue. They discuss who brought it up. Maybe it's because everybody is so used to Ignatieff saying one thing and then saying the exact opposite without batting an eyelash so often that it is just expected of him.

    Personally, my political decisions aren't based upon IP addresses or web hosting. I tend to focus on policy and the issues. But that's just me. The media could always discuss Ignatieff's policies except he doesn't appear to have any.

    I'm sure the rabble find this all intensely interesting. And those who don't are probably yawning at yet another deep investigation into a bottomless pit of what-if's that will lead nowhere yet again. Media mediocrity at its best folks.

    Cosmetics means everything. Depth? Puh-lease. Like that every sold magazines, advertisements or newsprint.

    • Anon

      "I tend to focus on policy and the issues."

      *snort*

  • Dot

    I do know a guy who was a Marine Colonel who cares about foreign policy and energy.

    Hoo-ah.

    "But he's no snitch" – Lieutenant Colonel Frank Slade

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqsf0XynGz8&fe…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

    forensic anthropoliticalwebologist

    Sounds like an interesting occupation.

  • Calgary Junkie

    Uh oh. ITQ is still on the top right of National Newswatch !

    And the comments are at 106 !

    Liberal war room, you guys gotta CHANGE THE CHANNEL … bring out the purple dinosaur or something … anything.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

      THe joke is that the general public could not care less about attack websites.

    • John D

      What?

  • http://darcymeyers.wordpress.com Darcy Meyers

    If you are inspired by a leader who believes in energy security (oilsands development) and aligns with some of the past foreign policy stances under Bush 2, then how can Harper not be your man? He has been a Bush Toady who works for the oil companies for years, if you ask his critics.

    Of course, this all smacks of something else. Possibly trying to label Iggy as a neoconservative who was an apologist for Bush before visiting Canada's parliament. Iggy is just Harper Lite sort of stuff..

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

    Could it be the Democrats? Cui bono etc.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/BCerInToronto BCerInToronto

    Over 100 comments so forgive me for not reading them all, and forgive me if I'm repeating others.

    What do I think?

    First, on the is it or isn't it Stephen Taylor question, Kady, have you just asked him? if he gives a straight-up no I'd be inclined to accept it, because if it were a lie and he was found out his credibility, as it were, would be shot. If he equivocates, that would be telling.

    Second, if this is a legitimate site, why is the person staying anonymous? That has to make you seriously question their motivations. Why would an actual Republican American who founded a group of like-minded Iggy-fans require anonymity?

    Third, do you as a journalist feel comfortable publishing this person's comments and giving them a platform when, correct me if I'm wrong, you don't even know who they are? I'm not a fan of anonymous sources, but usually at least the journalist knows who they are, has judged their motivations and their credibility, and made the decision to grant them anonymity. But here, even you have no idea who this person is or what their motivations are, and you're giving them publicity. I know this is a blog, and not the magazine, but Maclean's is still a news organization.

    What do I think? I think it's an arms-length operation by supporters of one of the Canadian political parties, likely but not necessarily with ties to one of the war rooms. If it were legitimate, why stay in the shadows? And I think they love all the free publicity they're getting by lying to national media organizations.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

      You're assuming Mr. Taylor cares if his credibility is shot.. his site often suggests otherwise.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      I'll just respond to your third point, since it goes to my journalistic ethics: Yes, I do feel comfortable posting the pseudonymous correspondence that I received in response to my query; if I didn't, I wouldn't have done so. I've made a point of being open with my readers about what I know, and how I know it — as well as what I don't know — which allows them to come to their own conclusions.

      My problem with the use of anonymous — or unnamed — sources is actually the opposite of the one that you have described: I would, in fact, be uncomfortable putting forward information that I received from a known source without revealing who it was that provided it to me. If that source has an agenda, I think it's only fair to share that, as part of the story, to provide what could be important context. That's why you won't often see me posting stuff from any party's war room — and never without identifying it as the source. My only exception to that rule would be to protect the identity of a whistleblower; other than that, I just don't do the unnamed source thing. Which isn't to say that I think it's wrong for other journalists to do so; it's just not my thing.

      A website, however, is not an anonymous source, even if its creator may be, so I don't think it's particularly irresponsible to write about it, especially when I'm writing about the fact that it *is* anonymously created, and not simply forwarding the message.

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      I'll just respond to your third point, since it goes to my journalistic ethics: Yes, I do feel comfortable posting the pseudonymous correspondence that I received in response to my query; if I didn't, I wouldn't have done so. I've made a point of being open with my readers about what I know, and how I know it — as well as what I don't know — which allows them to come to their own conclusions.

      My problem with the use of anonymous — or unnamed — sources is actually the opposite of the one that you have described: I would, in fact, be uncomfortable putting forward information that I received from a known source without revealing who it was that provided it to me. If that source has an agenda, I think it's only fair to share that, as part of the story, to provide what could be important context. That's why you won't often see me posting stuff from any party's war room — and never without identifying it as the source. My only exception to that rule would be to protect the identity of a whistleblower; other than that, I just don't do the unnamed source thing. Which isn't to say that I think it's wrong for other journalists to do so; it's just not for me.

      A website, however, is not an anonymous source, even if its creator may be, so I don't think it's particularly irresponsible to write about it, especially when I'm writing about the fact that it *is* anonymously created, and not simply forwarding the message.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

    Brilliant! That is definitely right — they're spoofing the novel, at least in communicating with ITQ. So it's somebody sufficiently familiar with Ignatieff that he/she can pluck characters from his novels — another point against Little Shop authorship, I'd say.

  • Brrr

    If Taylor has a hand in this, he'll openly admit it if asked.

    It's looks way too low key to be a Tory war-room project. I'm much more inclined to believe that this is an NDP creation than any other explanation I've heard so far.

  • CV from TO

    Back in February, when Ignatieff was still in his honeymoon stage, a Canadian named Michael Stickings published an op-ed in Britain's Guardian. He argued that Michael Ignatieff is not the saviour his supporters believe him to be and pointed out that Ignatieff has been a bigger George W. Bush cheerleader than Harper. URL pasted below. Do I think R4I is juvenile? Yes. Do I like this sort of politics? No. But, as the Stickings op-ed shows, centre-left Canadians are beginning to question Ignatieff's liberal credentials.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifameric…

  • HLH

    The following comments were made by others.
    I felt that they accurately portray the state of the Liberal party in Canada.
    ———————————————————————————————————

    First the Liberals held a Seinfeld convention. Now with the demand for universal EI standard off the table the transformation is complete. The Liberals stand for nothing. They are Canada's Seinfeld Party
    ———————————————————————————————————-
    Robert McNamara may have been a highly educated intellect, but his policies gave us the disaster that was the Vietnam War.
    The lesson: Sometimes great intellectuals just don't make great leaders.

    That's something Canadians might want to remember when judging the merits of a certain ex-Harvard professor now leading the federal Liberals.

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