Queen costs us more than the Brits pay

Over the past 10 years, the Canadian cost of supporting the monarchy has more than doubled

by Katie Engelhart on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:00pm - 198 Comments

Queen costs us more than the Brits payRobert Finch has a favourite saying: “For the price of a cup of coffee, Canadians can enjoy the stability of the Crown.” By this, the chief operating officer of the Monarchist League of Canada means that the monarchy costs Canadians only $1.53 per capita each year, about the price of a large cup of joe at Tim Hortons. But in fact, Canadians are now paying more per capita to support the Queen than the British are.

According to the latest figures out of Buckingham Palace, while Canadians are shelling out $1.53 per capita, the British are only paying about $1.32. And the Monarchist League’s own numbers show the Canadian cost is skyrocketing. Over just the last 10 years, the per capita bill for supporting the monarchist framework— including expenses incurred by the royal clan on Canadian soil, as well as the cost of running the offices of the Governor General and our 10 provincial lieutenant-governors—has more than doubled.

Finch says that the climbing costs reflect the fact that the Queen’s reps are taking on more active roles, with heightened responsibility and more travel time. While that might be costing Canadians a few extra pennies, he stresses that the monarchy “is not a very expensive operation.” But Tom Freda, national director of Citizens for a Canadian Republic, is not so sure. “Ah, the Monarchists. They love to break it down to per capita and make it sound all nice and rosy,” he says. “But $40 million or $50 million [a year] sure sounds like a lot to me.” The Monarchist League supports that figure, estimating that about $50,147,000 was spent during the 2006-07 year.

The problem, Freda says, is that Canada effectively has two heads of state: the Queen and the Governor General, as well as a band of provincial reps. And that overlap creates “redundant and obsolete positions” that end up costing Canadian taxpayers big bucks. The Queen’s agents need to learn a lesson in frugality during these tough times, he argues, especially since most of the work done by the lieutenant-governors is already handled by deputy premiers and other officials. Freda says it is “exorbitant,” for example, that the Ontario lieutenant-governor employs nine staff members, and “shocking” that the B.C. office shells out piles of cash each year to run a 102-room official residence for its lieutenant-governor. As for the “highly irrelevant” Governor General? “The Governor General has literary awards and cuts ribbons and plants trees and travels to Nunavut and eats seal meat. But what else?”

Finch counters that the Crown’s stabilizing presence is worth the money. He accounts for Canadians’ more sizable bill with more mundane explanations: our smaller population, for instance. He also explains that Brits have the home court advantage when it comes to the monarchy, since the U.K. receives income tax from royal estates and we don’t. In the end, it’s a small price to pay, he says, to safeguard Canada’s democratic tradition.

Despite such arguments, it seems like Freda and his Canadian Republicans are winning in the court of public opinion. According to a Canada Day poll by Strategic Council, only 30 per cent of Canadians feel a connection to the Queen or Governor General. And 65 per cent think ties to the monarchy should be cut once the Queen dies.

Freda cites numbers like that as support for his group’s radical proposal to completely overhaul the system. He calls for the Governor General to be replaced by “a wholly Canadian institution”—an independent head of state, accountable only to Canadians. Sure, he admits, that would still cost money. “But Canadians wouldn’t mind spending on an institution that they can call their own.”

While $1.53 may not get you very far at Tim Hortons, Freda hopes the escalating cost of supporting the Queen will set the wheels of change in motion. It’s not even about the money, he says. “It’s the 21st century. If we’re going to be an independent country, we bloody well better act like it.”

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  • emee

    this is a big scum! i don't see the relevance of the monarchy in a democracy, we should dump the monarchy asap!

  • Malcolm

    People are confusing republicanism with democracy. The two are in no way interdependent, or even related in the political sphere. The notion that we cannot have democracy without being a republic is to ignore the fundamentals of what democracy means: A GOVERNMENT elected by the people to best serve them. The state does not equal the government. One governs the other, the other gives the one a reason to exist as a legislative institution. The monarchy is not about a person, but rather the institution. I agree that after Elizabeth goes the monarchy is likely to fall apart, but I do not think that Canada ought to take the dangerous step of politicizing the state. Rather, keep state and government separate. Personally I would prefer to see a continuation of the monarchy. The monarchy is not a British institution, but rather one that serves to conjoin 52 nations together by embodying a shared language, culture, and to an extent, history. We may as well admit that the monarchy ties Canada to a huge amount of the world in these fundamental aspects of any civilization. And lets face it: the British DID conquer the world, and they DID spread their civilization across the globe. To deny this is to deny the past 200 years, and to deny the results of the colonial experiment is to deny the fact that English is now the dominant language in the world, and European culture is the dominant culture. The Queen is the queen of 16 nations, Canada included, and in each one she serves a specific role as Queen of THAT nation. Forget about the person, and focus on the benefits of the institution.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ed_Sweeney Ed_Sweeney

      If your first point is meant to clarify the point that a republic is NOT the only alternative to the monarchy, I agree with you. I would add to that point that our institutions could remain just as they are now, but with the removal of the monarchy, and there would be no effect on the regular workings of government.

      I also agree that we should be proud of our heritage and our British imperialist past, but only to a degree. It was British and it was imperialist, both characteristics being at odds with most Canadian's makeup and sentiments. Is it really appropriate to have the institution at the pinnacle of our society, be so heavily laden with such values and symbolism? Even the British are concerned about the legitimacy of the institution.

      You are hearkening to a time that has passed us by. The empire no longer exists, shall we summon the knights? I think the monarchy is definitely viewed as thoroughly British, the world over, and it is absolutely a British institution. Determining that they should not stand above all other institutions in Canada is not the same as breaking all links to them, or refuting their importance in the early development of Canada. Retaining a Governor General who becomes the titular head of state, would pay homage to our heritage, and remove a host of compromises of principle that we have had to make, in order to prop up an institution that is laden with distorted principles that are very contrary to the values held by the vast majority of Canadians.

      England never conquered the world, or even came close to it. If it had, would that be something to celebrate? English is not the dominant language in the world, that is patently false. It is the language of business, but that is more representative of American expansion than British. European culture is the dominant culture? That is just a repugnant attitude.

      I think that in the past hundred years Canadians have come to identify themselves as a people of compromise and tolerance, but at times this has gone too far, to the point of acquiescence. We stand for values of egalitarianism, non-sectarianism, and freedom, and we deserve to have an institution at our helm that not only holds those values, but symbolizes them. The British monarchy does not symbolize those values.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Corgie Corgie

    The so called "royal"family plus all the hanger on folk are a royal pain in the A$$ plus in the pocket book. Let us remember that the first language of queen victoria was German, they are no more British that a native Indian in Canada. It is time for a referendum in Canada to hopefully get rid of these unelected bums.

  • John E

    Off with their heads.

  • ratnesh.k

    wow—- we don't need queen —period— we have so much finanacial burden at home – we can not afford A queen

  • kyell

    The laugh: love how this stuff brings out the republicans and anti-monarchists. LOVE IT. most of you clowns can't even list important Canadian facts NOT related to the Crown and use American, as opposed to Canadian, spelling.

    One thought: I'm confused; I took an Oath of Allegiance to the Crown and Heirs so do I turn myself into a liar/traitor/whatever? … They told me dishonesty was a sin. now they want me to pretend I never swore allegiance and dump the Crown. I have no answers. But I do have a conscience. So what do I do? Treason ? or stand by my values? I chose the latter. I want to be able to look my Queen in the face and say I didn't go back on my word.

    Question: is being a patriotic Canadian an innuendo I'm a racist?

    Question: who paid for the study? Generally those who pay have the results stacked in their favour.

    Thought: money (which has become a REALLY big joke) : people squall about saving money by dumping the Crown but my experience has been that another way is found or waiting in the wings to use up the funds and then demand even more of the same – such that the original "expense" becomes trite. Money is one of the three lies in life; ie" The Cheque is in the mail"

    Thought: "if it works, don't fix it." It's working.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Ed_Sweeney Ed_Sweeney

    I think the following link is a very good take on the issue, by Rick Mercer. My thanks to GMcGG for putting me onto the site that had the link.

    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5GZIDnMzZQ” target=”_blank”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5GZIDnMzZQ

  • Tguy

    I can easily be convinced on the need to dump the monarchy, but not like this. It's not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things.

  • M.L.

    There's nothing very democratic in a republic, either. At least the monarchy doesn't try to pretend to be a democracy. The US republic pretends it's all about voting and the individual's rights, but behind closed doors it's every rich guy for himself. You can try to fool yourself on a regular basis when you go to vote, but the reality is that a republic is no better.

  • Louise

    Enter text right here!WE

  • Louise

    We have a queen because the country has always had a monarchy even before confederation and we were colonies-it is our birthirght just as much as the UK's. It costs about 1.70 per Canadian each year! Give me a break about the ""doubling of the cost", what propaganda! A small price to pay for a CANADIAN instution that has ALWAYS been there'; people who like to say it is "foreign have not got a leg to stand on. If it was not for the kings and queens of Britain and France there never would have been a Canada, not to mention the people of Britain and France, ancestors ofe mine and others in this country.

    • JOHN

      WHAT'S YOUR POINT,IF IT WAS NOT FOR CANADA THE USA AND RUSSIA IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR ENGLAND AND FRANCE WOULD BE SPEAKING GERMAN.

  • Louise

    John 321654987- many a Canadian soldier in our "weak" army as you call it, were heroes to many in England and France and the like where we alot of branve young men saved their buts, so how dare you call our army "weak". Why, because it is not the size of the United States? Guess what, no army is! And by the way what a great Canadian you are while more brave Canadians are dying overseas right now; and all you can do is sit on your but in front of the computer disrespecting our army and our Queen.

    • JOHN

      NO DISRESPECT FOR OUR ARMY THEY ARE GR.SOLDIERS BUT FOR THE QUEEN WE HAVE NO USE FOR HER .

  • john

    this is stupid we pay britan 5.5 cents a year totally stupid .out with the queen!

  • Barry MacKenzie

    I think it is worthy of note that Obama's inauguration last year cost the taxpayers far more than our entire monarchical institution. Abolishing ties to Elizabeth II will do very little to lessen the strain on the coffers.

  • bill meyers

    Supporting the monarchy is wastefull, pure and simple. Time to let it all go, enter it into the history books and move on, tradition is not worth $50M a year. She needs to know what's happening in Canada, tell her to pick up a news paper or check the Internet.

  • blackprince

    It makes little sense to alienate ourselves from the UK by getting rid of our ties to the British Monarchy. A long and hard look at the expense accounts of all the LG's and the GG is definitely in order. Also its great to have the GG be the HoS of Canada as we could see some serious abuse by the PM without a GG. And MacCross you should look up the definition of a Federation as Canada has always been a Federation with a Constitutional Monarchy bent.

  • Tarek

    In my opinion, 50 million a year is not nearly enough. She is the Queen folks.

  • S. Fenty

    With the cost of the GG in Ottawa and the 10 LG's across canada rising every year, i think the 60 million dollars that is wasted every year would be better spent on protecting our North, or just better child care for kids in canada. Canada is poised on becoming one of the most important nations in the world but that will not happen unless we rule our own nation. we can still stay in the common wealth. Barbados a small island in the west indies only 166 square miles and population only 300,000
    got rid of the queen in 1964 and they have never looked back and they are much better off for it now. That was 46 years ago
    whats wrong with us?

  • philly

    what's with those guard hats anyways…we don't need those anymore =) Canada's needs a Princess from home;) lol

  • luke

    hello my name is luke and i am from the United Kingdom and i am 17 years old. when i read this article i was disapointed because i thought Canada and the United Kingdom was great friends and allies and the Queen was the symbol of our great friendship that brought our great nations together. in my opionon it will be a very sad day when we lose Canada =(

    P.s

    if the UK ever went to war with the USA will Canada support the UK or the USA

    • monarchyfreecanada

      Whaat?? Lose Canada? We aren't part of Britain, my friend. Time to get some after-school tutoring.

  • Allan

    I would like to support the Queen, but the last time I went through London I had to wait in a line with all other nationalities . My father fought in the war for god king and country and now the EU has an express lane to get into England and we have to wait with all other nationalities. I say sned them packing and pay them nothing .

    • monarchyfreecanada

      True, Britain doesn't care a rat's ass about Canada – or even the rest of the Commonwealth anymore. The empire is dead, and even Britain knows it.

  • Paul

    The queen is useless like the UK. OUT YOU GO!!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/dexhayhurst dexhayhurst

    Like many, I am struggling with the prospect of "King Charles of Canada." As I look at the course of Canadian politics and government in the relatively short span of my life (47 years), it has had some pretty drastic swings that suggest to me that the monarchy provides much needed stability.

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