Ekos-ting on fumes: Hey, at least the stuff about the Afghanistan mission is interesting!

by kadyomalley on Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:31am - 51 Comments

Just as ITQ feared, the latest numbers for Ekos show virtually no movement in the ongoing battle for the hearts and minds of what Frank Graves describes as a “mainly indifferent public”.

The Conservatives are back in front place, with 34.1% – up from 31.8% last week, which, at just over 2%, represents the most substantial change for any of the parties, which ought to tell you something about the rest of the results. The Liberals creep up a teeny tiny twentieth of a percent, and now sit at 32.4% as the NDP drop by .8, from 16 to 15.2%, and in Quebec, the Bloc Quebecois falls from 37.1 to 34%. With the exception of the Conservative uptick, every single change is — say it with me, now — Within The Margin of Error (1.9%).

Okay, now that we’ve gotten that out of the way, here’s the interesting part of this week’s release:

Canadians have turned decisively against Canada’s participation in the military mission in Afghanistan, according to the latest weekly poll conducted by EKOS Research Associates exclusively for release on CBC.ca.

“We have been polling on this question since the mission began,” said EKOS President Frank Graves. “The public outlook on Afghanistan has undergone a steady and radical transformation. From overwhelming public support at the outset of the mission we have seen an inexorable reversal to overwhelming public opposition. Opposition has grown from a trivial mid-teen level to nearly well over 50 percent. Support has collapsed from more than 2 in 3 at the outset to just 1 in 3 now. And none of this is an ephemeral, excited response to news headlines; it has been a steady and gradual shift in public judgment of the mission.”

In Quebec, where support for the mission has never been strong, it is now only barely above single digits. In this poll, opponents outnumber supporters in every region except Manitoba/Saskatchewan, where the sample size is too small to be conclusive.

“Nonetheless, there is little reason to suspect that the Afghanistan mission is an especially heavy load on the Conservative government, since it has already agreed with the opposition Liberals to bring the mission to a close in 2011 and the debate has largely fallen out of the media discourse,” said Graves.



You know, usually when ITQ finds herself trapped by someone who goes on and on and on and on and on about All The Stuff The Media Should Be Covering, she rolls her eyes and points out that, actually, we are covering most of it, just not in the way that the speaker seems to think it should be covered. That’s not the case when it comes to Afghanistan — or, more specifically, that “steady and gradual  shift” in public opinion on the mission — which, notwithstanding today’s pollblitz, is probably the most consistently underreported story in Canadian politics today, and there’s really no satisfactory explanation for it, so she won’t try to fob one off on you.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

    Oh, right. The iteration and re-iterations of the Taliban Jack reference.

    Sorry I missed that.

  • Anon

    Uh, look at the language again. Pollsters usually indicate who commissioned the poll. This one just indicates that it was for exclusive distribution on "cbc.ca" (the web site). It could very well be that a 3rd party paid for it and purchased its distribution from the cbc.ca.

    I could look it up, but it's just a poll.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless

    Stéphane Dion surrounded himself with ex-MPs who used to tell him everything was fine, he was brilliant, victory was assured. Eleni Bakopanos had an office down the hall from his for just that purpose. I recall her getting very upset at me at the going-away party for the party's executive director. "Why are you writing those nasty things about Stéphane?" she said.

    Because they were true. And since she was so busy blowing sunshine up his ass, somebody had to write them. And he should have paid attention.

    I have to assume Harpixion is Eleni Bakopanos. And if she wants the Liberals to think they're doing a fantastic job, I can tell her that Doug Finley wants them to think the same thing.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

    The CBC story says it was comissioned for the CBC. I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that CBC doesn't rent out news space to third parties. If they do, I should look into buying a story myself: "Sean is officially instated as dictator of Canada, citizens urged to simply go along with new regime", just to see if it works.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

    p.s., I was right about the CBC – it was during the 2004 federal election they decided not to report polls "as a matter of principle". I guess that didn't work for them, but it's funny to see them now churning them out so frequently.

  • wilson

    Kady, the link isn't working, try this one.

    http://www.ekospolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/07…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wascally_Wabbit Wascally_Wabbit

    Sadly – Mr. Wells – there is a mindset that says – if you are a Liberal – and you don't agree with the way that the Leader and his advisors decide to go – then shut up – or you are working for the Tories!
    I have a sense that the same boys and girls who couldn't help Paul Martin set priorities are muddying the water for Ignatieff. I haven't written him off – but he MUST get himself away from these folks ASAP and figure out what he has to do…he has the intellectual capability – no doubt. Just use it Michael!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wascally_Wabbit Wascally_Wabbit

    Sadly Pundit – your premise ignores one of the below the radar effects of constant wars.
    The usual recruiting sources – the lower middle classes and the poor – are less and less inclined to jump in – even for a few years.
    Combined with this – the raw head count numbers have now become a hot political potato.
    Hence the evolution of the "Army for Hire" – companies like Blackwater – which are merely extensions of the official resources – and within which are special units which could be described as – trained to do CIA-type wet work!

    Fighting wars ain't what it used to be!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

    I'm not demanding instacoverage of how many APC's are heading down which road, but a description of what was going on two weeks ago would be a good way of getting Canadians to notice the mission. I'm pretty sure it's not DND that prevents the media from doing that; either it's the Government trying to keep the fighting-and-dying part of Afghanistan out of the news (cf. Harper's nixing of reporters' presence at ramp ceremonies), or it's the media's obsession with grateful Afghan schoolgirl choirs, i.e. Human Interest and Things Ordinary Canadians Can Relate To As Adjudged by Unordinary Canadians Who Have Been Through Journalism School (TOCCRTAAUCWHBTJS for short).

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/PoliticalPundit PoliticalPundit

    I agree with you, Wascally Wabbit on your point that there are true US mercenaries at war. The risks for them are much greater but so are the financial payoffs.
    Yet, I sensed that things were beginning to change for the lower classes but the recession has made it very difficult for many Americans to find good paying civilian jobs.
    Many Americans in the working class and the lower middle class are no longer willing to be the cannon fodder in a war that has no endgame but a great many poorly educated young men from the inner cities and small towns see the Armed Forces as a way out poverty, some education, and other perks that are pretty good.

  • Chuck VS Macleans

    Link, Please…

  • Sir

    wow you went on and on and on and on etc in a sentence thats iambic pentameter

  • hosertohoosier

    We send out far too many polls on what people think and far too few asking how much they care. I posit that Afghanistan is virtually a non-issue and has been since 2007. As others have mentioned, there is bipartisan support for the mission from the big two parties and the English Canadian political class generally. I also note that Harper's announcement of a 2011 exit date in the middle of an election devoid of issues made no waves – even in Quebec (where Harper subsequently sunk in the polls on the basis of arts funding). So even in Quebec, where opinion is near-uniformly opposed, the issue is about as important as funding for the next round of cancon crap (since it is French cancon it is probably more naked chainsmoking people, and less east coast Canada in the early 20th century with some tie-in to natives, polio and Vimy Ridge).

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