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'Your personal experiences and impressions are wrong'

by Aaron Wherry on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:18pm - 98 Comments

Stephen Harper, June 6, 2008Ladies and gentlemen, I try to get off of Parliament Hill as often as possible to attend functions like this. It helps me to keep in touch with the issues that really matter to Canadians, and one issue I hear about time and time again, whether it’s among Canadians old or young, whether it’s in the East or West, in English or in French, is unacceptably high levels of crime. Everywhere I go I hear the same refrain: “Prime Minister, please crack down on criminals, get guns, gangs and drugs off our streets, stop behaviour that threatens our property and our persons, make our communities safer.” It’s a reasonable thing to ask of government. It’s one of the most fundamental reasons, maybe the most fundamental reason, the government exists, especially in Canada, a country that was founded on the principle of peace, order and good government … It’s one thing that they, the criminals do not get it, but if you don’t mind me saying, another part of the problem for the past generation has been those, also a small part of our society, who are not criminals themselves, but who are always making excuses for them, and when they aren’t making excuses, they are denying that crime is even a problem: the ivory tower experts, the tut-tutting commentators, the out-of-touch politicians. “Your personal experiences and impressions are wrong,” they say. “Crime is not really a problem.” I don’t know how you say that. I don’t know how you tell that to the families of the victims we saw on the screen today. These men, women and children are not statistics. They had families, friends, hopes and dreams, until their lives were taken from them … Obviously we cannot undo these travesties, nor can we erase the pain and suffering that they cause. But there is something we can do and that we must do, and that is to get serious about tackling crime in this country … What we’re doing, ladies and gentlemen, is starting to overhaul a system that’s been in place. In fact, we’re starting to overhaul a system that has been moving in the wrong direction for 30 years.

Statistics Canada, todayPolice-reported crime in Canada continued to decline in 2008. Both the traditional crime rate and the new Crime Severity Index fell 5%, meaning that both the volume of police-reported crime and its severity decreased. Violent crime also dropped, but to a lesser extent. This was the fifth consecutive annual decline in police-reported crime.

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  • Jenn

    This is an interesting theory! I wonder if any scientific kind of study could be done.

  • baldygirl

    Elected by other shallow minds?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/avr avr

    police-reported crime

    Ever watched the third season of The Wire?

  • Mike T.

    I bet there's an awful lot of television watching going on, actually. Sun-media reading, too.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

    'police-reported crime'

    That's exactly what I was thinking. I would love to see stats on how many people don't even bother to phone police anymore because they know nothing will happen. And I would also like to see stats on how many crimes cops keep off the books but try to solve situation anyways. As one example, I have heard that many domestic calls don't get recorded but police attend scene and try to separate waring couple

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

    really we are going to start making policy decisions based on HBO television series?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

    "I have heard that many domestic calls don't get recorded but police attend scene and try to separate waring couple "

    On the contrary, whenever police are called to the scene of a violent domestic dispute, the police are obliged to be lay charges, whether the victim wants it or not. (An effort to crack down on domestic violence and the psychology of victims forgiving battery in a vicious cycle of abuse etc.) Whether the crime will be prosecuted or not of course depends on the cooperation of witnesses, often the victim, so prosecution may not proceed, but the incident will make the stats. Of course, surely the police are not summoned to most incidents of domestic violence.

  • http://twitter.com/metametasans @metametasans

    joylon – domestic situations or "waring couples" as you call them – um.. not really an example of crime. Especially not one that the federal government needs "to get serious about tackling". The way Harper is speaking in this excerpt is alarming. I don't have much respect for Harper, and still I'm surprised by this rhetoric. How can such a shallow mind be the Prime Minister of this country?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

    "the police are obliged to be lay charges, whether the victim wants it or not."

    That's interesting Jack M, I did not know that. The person I heard it from was with OPP in Brantford and he said that police broke up domestics all the time but did not report some of them because the couple were habitual brawlers and nothing ever changed.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

    Ah, sorry, likely I'm wrong in thinking it's a nationwide thing; my source was in a different province. Probably it varies. I can see the logic of it but I wonder if it doesn't have the opposite effect (at least after the first time), in that the victim might avoid calling the police after that. Not to underrate the persistent problem of domestic violence, but I wonder why the iron-fist approach is thought to work better in this case than in the case of, say, drug possession, in terms of reforming the broader society.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

    On second thought, as per @metameta's comment below, if your contact in the OPP said that "the couple were habitual brawlers" and meant that BOTH husband and wife habitually slugged each other, I can see why charges might not be laid, even if that were the nationwide policy: because both were victims and both were assailants. Unless it's reasonably clear who the victim is, don't the police often take statements and say, "There's no way to figure out what happened" in the case of, say, a street fight? Unless they arrest them both. Hmm, somebody here must know what the deal is. Anyway, I guess this is a tangent.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

    OPP guy said often the couple would be hitting one another – always drugs and/or alcohol involved – and there was no way to decide who the 'victim' was. Policeman said they would always take the man away from the home and let him sleep it off at family/friend's home. And this would repeat itself ad nauseam so police kind of give up and don't record every incident.

    I just want to make clear that this is not true in all domestic cases and any man who hits women should have his willy chopped off and put in jail for long time.

  • Jenn

    You've got it right, Jack. Where one member of the couple is the batterer and one the victim, the police have no choice but to lay charges. When both appear bloody and battered, no witness can claim who threw the first physical blow (ashtray/broomhandle), and neither one of the couple insists on bringing charges, there's not much police can do. Yes, except separate the couple for the night.

  • perdogperday

    Your position is of course a very prudent one, but given the particular tv show here, I really wish we would.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

    it is a very good show isn't it perdogperday (are you a dogwalker!?!)? if we were talking about making more constructive progressive policy than i would be prob be down.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

    also, if we are i want to nominate some other HBO shows we should make policy based on!

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