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	<title>Comments on: UPDATED: First, they came for that Galloway fellow &#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Geiseric</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147208</link>
		<dc:creator>Geiseric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good digg

thanks for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good digg</p>
<p>thanks for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott M.</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147207</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed (unless, of course, the person is a citizen of that country).  However, if people are randomly turned away from the border often, and it gets into the news, you hurt tourism, trade, business, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed (unless, of course, the person is a citizen of that country).  However, if people are randomly turned away from the border often, and it gets into the news, you hurt tourism, trade, business, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147206</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is another possible explanation : &quot;Blue Uniform Disease&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is another possible explanation : &quot;Blue Uniform Disease&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: uncool</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147205</link>
		<dc:creator>uncool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 23:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and Kady&#039;s response destroyed that theory. They were invited guests, nay *special* guests, speaking at the event, no less.

You would think that if the party wanted nothing to do with these guys, the MP in question could have quietly sent his regrets about a previous engagement. You&#039;re ignoring the very real, and very simple explanation:

The border guard was on a power trip, and the PMO couldn&#039;t care less. (And for what it&#039;s worth, even ADMs are busy people.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and Kady&#039;s response destroyed that theory. They were invited guests, nay *special* guests, speaking at the event, no less.</p>
<p>You would think that if the party wanted nothing to do with these guys, the MP in question could have quietly sent his regrets about a previous engagement. You&#039;re ignoring the very real, and very simple explanation:</p>
<p>The border guard was on a power trip, and the PMO couldn&#039;t care less. (And for what it&#039;s worth, even ADMs are busy people.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147204</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sun still shines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sun still shines.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147203</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author of the &lt;a href=&quot;http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/First_they_came...&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;poem&lt;/a&gt; was probably Bonhoeffer&#039;s fellow Christian anti-Nazi &lt;a href=&quot;http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Martin_Niem&amp;ouml\;ller&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Martin Niem&#246;ller&lt;/a&gt;.  The wikipedia article on the poem is interesting about the slightly obscure origin of the text as we generally know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author of the <a href="http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/First_they_came..." target="_blank" rel="nofollow">poem</a> was probably Bonhoeffer&#039;s fellow Christian anti-Nazi <a href="http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Martin_Niem&#038;ouml\;ller" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Martin Niem&ouml;ller</a>.  The wikipedia article on the poem is interesting about the slightly obscure origin of the text as we generally know it.</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147202</link>
		<dc:creator>Maureen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any country has the right to deny anyone entry into their country.  Period.  There is NO right of entry.  The US can deny entry to any individual as can Canada.  So what is the story here - nothing as far as I can tell - two individuals tried to enter into Canada and were denied.  Big whop - I really believe that there are way too many journalists/reporters scrambling for stories to fill the many magazines, journals, newspapers, 24/7 broadcasts etc. etc. etc.  The result is reporting on stories that are insignificant and stupid - as this one is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any country has the right to deny anyone entry into their country.  Period.  There is NO right of entry.  The US can deny entry to any individual as can Canada.  So what is the story here &#8211; nothing as far as I can tell &#8211; two individuals tried to enter into Canada and were denied.  Big whop &#8211; I really believe that there are way too many journalists/reporters scrambling for stories to fill the many magazines, journals, newspapers, 24/7 broadcasts etc. etc. etc.  The result is reporting on stories that are insignificant and stupid &#8211; as this one is.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147201</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They weren&#039;t inadmissible. The CBSA agent did not exercise her judgement and discretion appropriately. But you&#039;re right, the hierarchy of delegated authorities for TRP&#039;s means that the Minister normally only deals with very serious cases of inadmissibility like hard core criminality, terrorism, that sort of thing. The Minister always could intervene to put right what appears to be a bad decision on behalf of the front line officer, but that would undermine all front line staff. If they voluntarily withdrew their application to enter Canada rather than have a formal determination of inadmissibility made (I&#039;m guessing that&#039;s what happened), they don&#039;t really have anything to appeal against, so there is no &quot;due process&quot; avenue that they could pursue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They weren&#039;t inadmissible. The CBSA agent did not exercise her judgement and discretion appropriately. But you&#039;re right, the hierarchy of delegated authorities for TRP&#039;s means that the Minister normally only deals with very serious cases of inadmissibility like hard core criminality, terrorism, that sort of thing. The Minister always could intervene to put right what appears to be a bad decision on behalf of the front line officer, but that would undermine all front line staff. If they voluntarily withdrew their application to enter Canada rather than have a formal determination of inadmissibility made (I&#039;m guessing that&#039;s what happened), they don&#039;t really have anything to appeal against, so there is no &quot;due process&quot; avenue that they could pursue.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147200</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also a question of the personal safety of the officers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s also a question of the personal safety of the officers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147199</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth be told, both Customs and Immigration officers at border points were very underpaid considering the responsibilities they carry until relatively recently (like, since 9-11). Present company excepted, the quality of the officers left a lot to be desired as well, but the first step to getting better quality is to increase pay. I don&#039;t begrudge CBSA officers better pay, although I don&#039;t think arming the whole service at all border points was necessary or even desireable. But the movement towards increasing the pay of border officers started before the decision was made to arm Customs officers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth be told, both Customs and Immigration officers at border points were very underpaid considering the responsibilities they carry until relatively recently (like, since 9-11). Present company excepted, the quality of the officers left a lot to be desired as well, but the first step to getting better quality is to increase pay. I don&#039;t begrudge CBSA officers better pay, although I don&#039;t think arming the whole service at all border points was necessary or even desireable. But the movement towards increasing the pay of border officers started before the decision was made to arm Customs officers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147197</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spare time ? What are you talking about ? One word to the DM and the two of them are put on a watch list. How long does that take ?

As for the possible partisan motivation, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/#IDComment28238099&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;that one&lt;/a&gt; was covered by a previous comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spare time ? What are you talking about ? One word to the DM and the two of them are put on a watch list. How long does that take ?</p>
<p>As for the possible partisan motivation, <a href="http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/#IDComment28238099" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">that one</a> was covered by a previous comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147198</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spare time ? What are you talking about ? One word to the DM and the two of them are put on a watch list. How long does that take ?

As for the possible partisan motivation, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/#IDComment28238099&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;that one&lt;/a&gt; was covered by a previous comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spare time ? What are you talking about ? One word to the DM and the two of them are put on a watch list. How long does that take ?</p>
<p>As for the possible partisan motivation, <a href="http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/#IDComment28238099" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">that one</a> was covered by a previous comment.</p>
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		<title>By: je suis un stylo</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147196</link>
		<dc:creator>je suis un stylo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, the world needs more normal people like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, the world needs more normal people like you.</p>
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		<title>By: uncool</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147195</link>
		<dc:creator>uncool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only that&#039;s true of all political parties. Mr. Layton calls for investigations and crown inquiries and commissions every other day. So let&#039;s not play that game. I&#039;ve got one point, and one question:

-Harper, Van Loan, and Kenney, let alone most backbenchersm on either side, don&#039;t have the spare time to be personally invested in something this small and trifling. I mean really, we&#039;re in a war, we have a massive economic downturn, and the isotope crisis, among other things. If I were in office, I probably wouldn&#039;t even be aware of this. And secondly, if I did, I wouldn&#039;t care.

-Where, pray tell, is the partisan benefit in doing this?

This whole situation makes much more sense if you assume that the border guard was a douchebag, and that the minister likely doesn&#039;t know/doesn&#039;t care. Ockham&#039;s razor: the simplest answer is often the right one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only that&#039;s true of all political parties. Mr. Layton calls for investigations and crown inquiries and commissions every other day. So let&#039;s not play that game. I&#039;ve got one point, and one question:</p>
<p>-Harper, Van Loan, and Kenney, let alone most backbenchersm on either side, don&#039;t have the spare time to be personally invested in something this small and trifling. I mean really, we&#039;re in a war, we have a massive economic downturn, and the isotope crisis, among other things. If I were in office, I probably wouldn&#039;t even be aware of this. And secondly, if I did, I wouldn&#039;t care.</p>
<p>-Where, pray tell, is the partisan benefit in doing this?</p>
<p>This whole situation makes much more sense if you assume that the border guard was a douchebag, and that the minister likely doesn&#039;t know/doesn&#039;t care. Ockham&#039;s razor: the simplest answer is often the right one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed_Sweeney</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147194</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed_Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously? You are deeply hurt by the notion that the Canadian Border Service turned away someone who looks to have an active weapons offence on his record? I have been turned away at the American border because I was going there for a business meeting. How do you get through the day with that heightened sensitivity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously? You are deeply hurt by the notion that the Canadian Border Service turned away someone who looks to have an active weapons offence on his record? I have been turned away at the American border because I was going there for a business meeting. How do you get through the day with that heightened sensitivity?</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147193</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 15:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People coming into Canada don&#039;t have Charter rights unless they&#039;re Canadians. Some rights concerning procedural fairness and the right of appeal exist, but as long as you have not been &lt;i&gt;admitted&lt;/i&gt; to Canada, you&#039;re S.O.L.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People coming into Canada don&#039;t have Charter rights unless they&#039;re Canadians. Some rights concerning procedural fairness and the right of appeal exist, but as long as you have not been <i>admitted</i> to Canada, you&#039;re S.O.L.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147192</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 15:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;The idea that Harper, Van Loan and Kenney take the time of day to piss off a few road-tripping libertarians is outright ludicrous.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Wrong, wrong, wrong. The Conservatives have always been quite prepared to use the investigation and enforcement organs of the state apparatus for their own partisan political purposes. The Mulroney government was notorious for this. Please don&#039;t try to pull the wool over the eyes of Canadians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&quot;The idea that Harper, Van Loan and Kenney take the time of day to piss off a few road-tripping libertarians is outright ludicrous.&quot;</i></p>
<p>Wrong, wrong, wrong. The Conservatives have always been quite prepared to use the investigation and enforcement organs of the state apparatus for their own partisan political purposes. The Mulroney government was notorious for this. Please don&#039;t try to pull the wool over the eyes of Canadians.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lafleur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147191</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lafleur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 05:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t even express how deeply this offends me.  As a Canadian expatriat in America, I have been through the insane American immigration process, and I always thought that Canadians were much more tolerant of foreign citizens.  Disgraceful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#039;t even express how deeply this offends me.  As a Canadian expatriat in America, I have been through the insane American immigration process, and I always thought that Canadians were much more tolerant of foreign citizens.  Disgraceful.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147190</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 05:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No arguments here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No arguments here.</p>
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		<title>By: Harbles</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147187</link>
		<dc:creator>Harbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok. &lt;a href=&quot;http://ebtc.info/pdf/executive%20summary.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; statistics &lt;/a&gt;then. And you are right there are a few major crossing points and a bunch of not so much. One might assume that the staffing levels at each crossing are resonably proportional to the traffic so the actual work load on the average border officer is equalized, but you know what happens when one assumes.
So point well made Sir. It&#039;s a clusterflub.
Could you comment from your experience if you were an officer and were  &lt;a href=&quot;http://motorhomediaries.com/ohhhhh-canada/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; asked&lt;/a&gt;;

&lt;blockquote&gt; &quot; inquired about the suspension of rights he and Pete were experiencing at the border, noting that they did not consent to the search. The male border bureaucrat said &#8220;according to the Charter&#8221; they had such authority and that our rights were not being violted. Pete then asked &#8220;Well what if the Charter said people&#8217;s rights were suspended not just at the border but 100 miles or 1,000 miles from the border? Would that be just?&#8221; Pete was not answered.   &quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;
What your thoughts would be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok. <a href="http://ebtc.info/pdf/executive%20summary.pdf" rel="nofollow"> statistics </a>then. And you are right there are a few major crossing points and a bunch of not so much. One might assume that the staffing levels at each crossing are resonably proportional to the traffic so the actual work load on the average border officer is equalized, but you know what happens when one assumes.<br />
So point well made Sir. It&#39;s a clusterflub.<br />
Could you comment from your experience if you were an officer and were  <a href="http://motorhomediaries.com/ohhhhh-canada/" rel="nofollow"> asked</a>;</p>
<blockquote><p> &quot; inquired about the suspension of rights he and Pete were experiencing at the border, noting that they did not consent to the search. The male border bureaucrat said &ldquo;according to the Charter&rdquo; they had such authority and that our rights were not being violted. Pete then asked &ldquo;Well what if the Charter said people&rsquo;s rights were suspended not just at the border but 100 miles or 1,000 miles from the border? Would that be just?&rdquo; Pete was not answered.   &quot; </p></blockquote>
<p>What your thoughts would be?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed_Sweeney</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147186</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed_Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we are going ratchet-up an issue up to the &#039;righteous indignation&#039; level, shouldn&#039;t we direct our energies toward a better cause, let&#039;s say, Amanda Lindhout?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we are going ratchet-up an issue up to the &#39;righteous indignation&#39; level, shouldn&#39;t we direct our energies toward a better cause, let&#39;s say, Amanda Lindhout?</p>
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		<title>By: Harbles</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147189</link>
		<dc:creator>Harbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 02:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You raise a &lt;a href=&quot;http:\/\/www.amandalindhout.com\/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; serious issue&lt;/a&gt; sir.
The problem here though is (it seems to me) how can you deal with a failed state with no formal government vs the way we deal with normal states,which is not very well it appears?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You raise a <a href="http:\/\/www.amandalindhout.com\/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> serious issue</a> sir.<br />
The problem here though is (it seems to me) how can you deal with a failed state with no formal government vs the way we deal with normal states,which is not very well it appears?</p>
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		<title>By: uncool</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147188</link>
		<dc:creator>uncool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 01:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See but there&#039;s the problem. The whole situation isn&#039;t a machination of the actual government here. The idea that Harper, Van Loan and Kenney take the time of day to piss off a few road-tripping libertarians is outright ludicrous.

The reason I think there&#039;s a little uneasiness in the party is that minority government doesn&#039;t lend itself well to ideological consistency. Yes, we are in government, but no, we can&#039;t do as we please. Unfortunately that&#039;s made for some odd bedfellows in policy.

And like you, i&#039;m no fan of this pandering to the &quot;base&quot;. I don&#039;t really believe it exists to the extent the party does. Social conservatism irks me in a way I can&#039;t really explain. I like to think that a good deal of Canadians are more of the fiscal conservative brand: get your house&#039;s finances in order, and let the market do what it does (you can even consider social issues to have a marketplace of ideas, if you will... the good ones always win.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See but there&#039;s the problem. The whole situation isn&#039;t a machination of the actual government here. The idea that Harper, Van Loan and Kenney take the time of day to piss off a few road-tripping libertarians is outright ludicrous.</p>
<p>The reason I think there&#039;s a little uneasiness in the party is that minority government doesn&#039;t lend itself well to ideological consistency. Yes, we are in government, but no, we can&#039;t do as we please. Unfortunately that&#039;s made for some odd bedfellows in policy.</p>
<p>And like you, i&#039;m no fan of this pandering to the &quot;base&quot;. I don&#039;t really believe it exists to the extent the party does. Social conservatism irks me in a way I can&#039;t really explain. I like to think that a good deal of Canadians are more of the fiscal conservative brand: get your house&#039;s finances in order, and let the market do what it does (you can even consider social issues to have a marketplace of ideas, if you will&#8230; the good ones always win.)</p>
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		<title>By: Geiseric</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147173</link>
		<dc:creator>Geiseric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>!!! freeranging beer is an indicatable offense???

I thought it was summary.

btw. I&#039;m curious. The &#039;net has that &quot;they came for&quot; poem Kady&#039;s alluding to as written by Bonhoffoer. anybody know which book?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>!!! freeranging beer is an indicatable offense???</p>
<p>I thought it was summary.</p>
<p>btw. I&#39;m curious. The &#39;net has that &quot;they came for&quot; poem Kady&#39;s alluding to as written by Bonhoffoer. anybody know which book?</p>
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		<title>By: Ex CPC Supporter</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147185</link>
		<dc:creator>Ex CPC Supporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=72571#comment-147185</guid>
		<description>Don&#039;t apologize. I am a conservative that doesn&#039;t understand wtf Steve and the gang are doing.

What they are doing is harming the actual notion of conservatism with these (and arbitrary funding of festivals) events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#039;t apologize. I am a conservative that doesn&#039;t understand wtf Steve and the gang are doing.</p>
<p>What they are doing is harming the actual notion of conservatism with these (and arbitrary funding of festivals) events.</p>
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		<title>By: uncool</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147184</link>
		<dc:creator>uncool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what, pray tell, is the party&#039;s MO? Wouldn&#039;t it stand to reason that the party would WANT these guys there? I would think so, considering a member of their own caucus is attending, and that Harper was quoted as saying something to the effect of &quot;no taxes are good taxes&quot;. Not to mention Kenney and Harper were both, at one point, lobbyists advocating minimalist government intervention.

The only thing being omitted here is consistency in your conspiracy theory. I think this is just a case of power-tripping border guards trying to poo-poo somebody&#039;s documentary that will &quot;change the world&quot;.

(sorry for feeding the trolls, but steph&#039;s out to lunch here.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what, pray tell, is the party&#039;s MO? Wouldn&#039;t it stand to reason that the party would WANT these guys there? I would think so, considering a member of their own caucus is attending, and that Harper was quoted as saying something to the effect of &quot;no taxes are good taxes&quot;. Not to mention Kenney and Harper were both, at one point, lobbyists advocating minimalist government intervention.</p>
<p>The only thing being omitted here is consistency in your conspiracy theory. I think this is just a case of power-tripping border guards trying to poo-poo somebody&#039;s documentary that will &quot;change the world&quot;.</p>
<p>(sorry for feeding the trolls, but steph&#039;s out to lunch here.)</p>
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		<title>By: madeyoulook</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147183</link>
		<dc:creator>madeyoulook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=72571#comment-147183</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Well, technically, I guess in this case, &#8220;they&#8221; &#8212; the Canada Border Service Agency, in this case &#8212; didn&#8217;t exactly come for the Motorhome Diarists...&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;They&quot; didn&#039;t come for that clown Galloway, either.  They just told him he&#039;d best stay away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Well, technically, I guess in this case, &ldquo;they&rdquo; &mdash; the Canada Border Service Agency, in this case &mdash; didn&rsquo;t exactly come for the Motorhome Diarists&#8230;</i></p>
<p>&quot;They&quot; didn&#039;t come for that clown Galloway, either.  They just told him he&#039;d best stay away.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed_Sweeney</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147182</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed_Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I am all for letting these guys spread their Libertarian message. It seems to be what they live for.

Convening the Court of Mullet based on some twitter blasts seems a trifle bit over the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I am all for letting these guys spread their Libertarian message. It seems to be what they live for.</p>
<p>Convening the Court of Mullet based on some twitter blasts seems a trifle bit over the top.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Eyre</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147181</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Eyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=72571#comment-147181</guid>
		<description>As @Bill Simpson noted, &quot;they really are an utterly harmless bunch. The use of video is ticking off officials everywhere and with good reason - it is making them accountable.&quot;

Exactly.

Thanks for helping to get the word out KadyITQ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As @Bill Simpson noted, &quot;they really are an utterly harmless bunch. The use of video is ticking off officials everywhere and with good reason &#8211; it is making them accountable.&quot;</p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>Thanks for helping to get the word out KadyITQ.</p>
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		<title>By: Silly_Walks</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147180</link>
		<dc:creator>Silly_Walks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, I work in this industry.  There&#039;s a pretty sharp drop in volume after Sarnia and Windsor.  The reason it&#039;s &#039;often faster to use&#039; is because there&#039;s frequently not a line - not surprising considering it&#039;s not a good way to get to southeastern Ontario from 90% of the states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, I work in this industry.  There&#039;s a pretty sharp drop in volume after Sarnia and Windsor.  The reason it&#039;s &#039;often faster to use&#039; is because there&#039;s frequently not a line &#8211; not surprising considering it&#039;s not a good way to get to southeastern Ontario from 90% of the states.</p>
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		<title>By: Harbles</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147179</link>
		<dc:creator>Harbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=72571#comment-147179</guid>
		<description>Actually it says  &lt;a href=&quot;http://wikimapia.org/1382938/Rock-Island-Border-Crossing-Derby-Line-VT-Stanstead-QE&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  here&lt;/a&gt; &quot; The ninth or tenth largest border crossing between Canada and the US. As it is designed primarily for trucking, it is often faster to use one of the various other stations in the area to cross (the lines can be quite long).&quot;

So this is what officers do who are probably really busy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it says  <a href="http://wikimapia.org/1382938/Rock-Island-Border-Crossing-Derby-Line-VT-Stanstead-QE" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">  here</a> &quot; The ninth or tenth largest border crossing between Canada and the US. As it is designed primarily for trucking, it is often faster to use one of the various other stations in the area to cross (the lines can be quite long).&quot;</p>
<p>So this is what officers do who are probably really busy.</p>
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		<title>By: Harbles</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147178</link>
		<dc:creator>Harbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=72571#comment-147178</guid>
		<description>Actually it says  &lt;a href=&quot;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  here&lt;/a&gt; &quot; The ninth or tenth largest border crossing between Canada and the US. As it is designed primarily for trucking, it is often faster to use one of the various other stations in the area to cross (the lines can be quite long).&quot;

So this is what officers do who are probably really busy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it says  <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">  here</a> &quot; The ninth or tenth largest border crossing between Canada and the US. As it is designed primarily for trucking, it is often faster to use one of the various other stations in the area to cross (the lines can be quite long).&quot;</p>
<p>So this is what officers do who are probably really busy.</p>
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		<title>By: Harbles</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147176</link>
		<dc:creator>Harbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=72571#comment-147176</guid>
		<description>Actually is sez  &lt;a href=&quot;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  here&lt;/a&gt; &quot; The ninth or tenth largest border crossing between Canada and the US. As it is designed primarily for trucking, it is often faster to use one of the various other stations in the area to cross (the lines can be quite long).&quot;

So this is what officers do who are probably really busy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually is sez  <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">  here</a> &quot; The ninth or tenth largest border crossing between Canada and the US. As it is designed primarily for trucking, it is often faster to use one of the various other stations in the area to cross (the lines can be quite long).&quot;</p>
<p>So this is what officers do who are probably really busy.</p>
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		<title>By: Harbles</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147175</link>
		<dc:creator>Harbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=72571#comment-147175</guid>
		<description>Actually is sez  &lt;a href=&quot;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  here&lt;/a&gt; &quot; The ninth or tenth largest border crossing between Canada and the US. As it is designed primarily for trucking, it is often faster to use one of the various other stations in the area to cross (the lines can be quite long).&quot;

So this is what officers do who probably really busy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually is sez  <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">  here</a> &quot; The ninth or tenth largest border crossing between Canada and the US. As it is designed primarily for trucking, it is often faster to use one of the various other stations in the area to cross (the lines can be quite long).&quot;</p>
<p>So this is what officers do who probably really busy.</p>
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		<title>By: Harbles</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147177</link>
		<dc:creator>Harbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=72571#comment-147177</guid>
		<description>Actually is sez  &lt;a href=&quot;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  here&lt;/a&gt; &quot; The ninth or tenth largest border crossing between Canada and the US. As it is designed primarily for trucking, it is often faster to use one of the various other stations in the area to cross (the lines can be quite long).&quot;

So this is what officers do who probably really busy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually is sez  <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">  here</a> &quot; The ninth or tenth largest border crossing between Canada and the US. As it is designed primarily for trucking, it is often faster to use one of the various other stations in the area to cross (the lines can be quite long).&quot;</p>
<p>So this is what officers do who probably really busy.</p>
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		<title>By: an online reader</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147174</link>
		<dc:creator>an online reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacking tourists tor a laugh only costly to tourist industry and expected from &quot; death of a thousand cold cuts&quot; idiots . Causing Canadians to be tortured / not supported abroad discusting swine .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacking tourists tor a laugh only costly to tourist industry and expected from &quot; death of a thousand cold cuts&quot; idiots . Causing Canadians to be tortured / not supported abroad discusting swine .</p>
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		<title>By: Silly_Walks</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147172</link>
		<dc:creator>Silly_Walks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, usually officers with nothing to do are a lot more laid back - at least they are when dealing with people of my profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, usually officers with nothing to do are a lot more laid back &#8211; at least they are when dealing with people of my profession.</p>
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		<title>By: Harbles</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147171</link>
		<dc:creator>Harbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rock Island, PQ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rock Island, PQ.</p>
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		<title>By: Harbles</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-2/#comment-147170</link>
		<dc:creator>Harbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rock Island, PQ.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rock Island, PQ.<br />
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		<title>By: madeyoulook</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147169</link>
		<dc:creator>madeyoulook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But up until now, you&#039;d be SMART enough to take your chances hauling your armed lawless self towards the Canadian border...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But up until now, you&#039;d be SMART enough to take your chances hauling your armed lawless self towards the Canadian border&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gaunilon</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147168</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaunilon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that is too bad.  Our neighbours to the south are starting to get a little spineless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that is too bad.  Our neighbours to the south are starting to get a little spineless.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaunilon</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147167</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaunilon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re either suggesting the HRC is unrelated to free speech issues...(?)... or perhaps that this article has nothing to do with free speech issues (even though the author brings it up).   Help me out here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;re either suggesting the HRC is unrelated to free speech issues&#8230;(?)&#8230; or perhaps that this article has nothing to do with free speech issues (even though the author brings it up).   Help me out here.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaunilon</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147166</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaunilon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably not, but either way it has nothing to do with free speech.  And if it did, there&#039;s a much more blatant threat in the HRC than the Border Service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably not, but either way it has nothing to do with free speech.  And if it did, there&#039;s a much more blatant threat in the HRC than the Border Service.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord Kitchener&#039;s Own</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147165</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord Kitchener&#039;s Own</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about &quot;counties&quot;, but I think there probably are some dry jurisdictions within Canada.

I HIGHLY doubt that one can be charged with an indictable offense (or its equivalent) for possession of beer ANYWHERE IN NORTH AMERICA though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t know about &quot;counties&quot;, but I think there probably are some dry jurisdictions within Canada.</p>
<p>I HIGHLY doubt that one can be charged with an indictable offense (or its equivalent) for possession of beer ANYWHERE IN NORTH AMERICA though.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/24/first-they-came-for-that-galloway-fellow/comment-page-1/#comment-147164</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things about the reasons given for turning Pete around. First, there is no such offence as possessing alcohol in a dry county in Canadian law. Thus, S.36(2)(c) IRPA does not apply. Even if such an offence existed, it would be a summary rather than indictable offence. Secondly, if the police in Jones County chose not to press charges on the allegation of possession of firearms across state lines, S.36(2)(c) should not have been used to keep them out of the country according to Citizenship and Immigration &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/enf/enf02-eng.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Enforcement Manual 2&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Evaluating Inadmissibility&lt;/i&gt;, which states at paragraph 3.9 :

&lt;i&gt;&quot; 3.9 When not to use the &quot;committing an act&quot; provisions

The &quot;committing an act&quot; inadmissibility provisions would generally not be applied in the following scenarios :

- in most cases, when authorities in the foreign jurisdiction indicate that they would not lay a charge or make known to an officer their decision or intent to drop the charges. ...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Two possibilities : either the CBSA officer erred, which is not unlikely given that most at land border points are former Customs staff who do not know how to exercise appropriate judgement concerning immigration matters (they tend to go in jackboots first) and have even less knowledge of the subtleties of immigration law in its application ; or, the CBSA officer was told not to let these characters in by somebody higher up and to find some way of stopping them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things about the reasons given for turning Pete around. First, there is no such offence as possessing alcohol in a dry county in Canadian law. Thus, S.36(2)(c) IRPA does not apply. Even if such an offence existed, it would be a summary rather than indictable offence. Secondly, if the police in Jones County chose not to press charges on the allegation of possession of firearms across state lines, S.36(2)(c) should not have been used to keep them out of the country according to Citizenship and Immigration <a href="http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/enf/enf02-eng.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Enforcement Manual 2</a>, <i>Evaluating Inadmissibility</i>, which states at paragraph 3.9 :</p>
<p><i>&quot; 3.9 When not to use the &quot;committing an act&quot; provisions</p>
<p>The &quot;committing an act&quot; inadmissibility provisions would generally not be applied in the following scenarios :</p>
<p>- in most cases, when authorities in the foreign jurisdiction indicate that they would not lay a charge or make known to an officer their decision or intent to drop the charges. &#8230;&quot;</i></p>
<p>Two possibilities : either the CBSA officer erred, which is not unlikely given that most at land border points are former Customs staff who do not know how to exercise appropriate judgement concerning immigration matters (they tend to go in jackboots first) and have even less knowledge of the subtleties of immigration law in its application ; or, the CBSA officer was told not to let these characters in by somebody higher up and to find some way of stopping them.</p>
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