Wafergate-gate: Okay, round up the other usual suspects.

by kadyomalley on Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:30am - 183 Comments

BREAKING! MUST CREDIT ITQ: KINSELLA DENIES INVOLVEMENT IN SO-FAR-UNSUPPORTED-BY-INDEPENDENT-EVIDENCE CLAIM OF DASTARDLY LIBERAL-WITH-A-CAPITAL-L INVOLVEMENT IN COMMUNION HOST STORY!

ITQ: Did you, in any way, suggest to the paper — via its editors, or publisher — that they look into the question of what happened to the communion wafer?

WK: I did not, in any way, suggest that story to the Telegraph Journal or any other media person. I in fact do not know anyone at the T-J, at all, and I do not know the former publisher or editor in particular.

Okay, enough with the capslock: We have an official, on the record denial from Warren Kinsella, who, in a post that appeared late last night on LifeSite News, was just-this-side-of-explicitly-accused – by name – of being the perpetrator of the Great Wafer Caper of Aught Nine. Yes, I promise: I’m still taking this Very, Very Seriously — and will continue to pursue it like a mongoose after a cobra. But occasionally, one is struck by the epiphanette that, if aliens were to land outside your front door, knock politely, and ask you to sum up the deeper purpose behind human existence based on whatever you happened to be doing at that exact moment, it would result in a lot of confusedly furled antennae.

Anyway, just so you can all see exactly what was asked, and answered, here’s the rest of our exchange, which was conducted via email earlier this morning, because ITQ — like journalism and also evil — never sleeps:

ITQ:  If not, were you ever contacted by the paper while it was in the process of putting the story together?

WK: The last journalist to contact me from the T-J was my friend Jacques Poitras, years ago. He doesn’t work there anymore. I haven’t heard from any person at the newspaper since, nor have I contacted anyone there.

ITQ: Did you have any prior knowledge that the story would be coming out that day, whether directly — from someone at the paper itself — or indirectly — via second-hand rumours, etc?

WK: I heard a rumour that something was coming about Harper and the funeral, as did many others. I did not know what it was; I was standing some twenty feet from Harper, and did not see what happened. From my perspective,  in fact, Harper deserved some credit for just being there to pay his respects to a great, great man and – on my web site on that day – I gave him some credit for being there.

ITQ: Is there anything else that you would like to get on the record here as far as the apology from the Telegraph Journal, the comments made by Bob Fife that suggested “Liberal” involvement in “passing the story” to Jamie Irving, or the LifeSite News post alleging that you posted the video before the paper had come out?

WK: This whole affair is symptomatic with what is wrong with this “government.” In a week where StatsCan is showing unemployment levels exploding, their preoccupation is something else entirely – themselves. It is always just about them.

I realize they are terrified about losing whatever headway they have made with the so-called Catholic vote. But this is not how to go about doing it, in my opinion.

I publicized this story because of their insane overreaction. Had they not overreacted, it would not have been as interesting to me or anyone else.

My lawyers have sent a letter to Lifesite News this morning demanding that they correct the record (as you have sought to do), and apologize. If they do not, they will profoundly regret it. And that, too, is the truth.

Just a quick note on the third question — the one about whether he had any prior knowledge that a story would be coming out — to (I hope) preempt any new conspiracy theorizing, ITQ should probably add that it’s not unusual at all for rumours of imminent stories to hit the Hill berryvine. Journalists — and politicians, and staffers, and everyone else — are human, and as such, we talk. We don’t usually trade specifics, for obvious reasons — don’t want to get scooped by the competition — but the idea that Kinsella would have heard something in advance does not, by itself, imply any sort of involvement in planting the story in the first place.

And as mentioned above, ITQ isn’t going to let this go just yet. She’ll keep you posted if she’s able to uncover anything else.

UPDATE: Courtesy of Commenter Harbles, a link to a response from Kinsella in his comment thread to the timestamp question.

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  • http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com bigcitylib

    I should say that, according to Regret the Error, they didn't do it in the earlier McCann incident either (where an intern was fired for errors).

  • Paul Wells

    This is all so much less silly now than it was this morning. Hey everyone, could you maybe get even angrier and even more convinced about what you already were certain was the truth about Liberals and/or Conservatives and/or the Dread MSM and/or the Youtubes? I would enjoy that very much. Kthanx.

    • http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com bigcitylib

      Don't be such a grump.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

      At least we don't have Birthers here.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/WernerPatels WernerPatels

      A voice of reason …

      • Ronald

        Pauls wells is party of the Left Wing/Liberal/MSM/Illuminati/Knights of the Dark Templar conspiracy.

    • Alex

      How come Paul's comment is consistently at the bottom of the comment thread? He posted his comment at least half an hour ago, but it says "7 minutes ago" by his name. He's been altering the time stamps!! Conspiracy!

      • Anon

        Blame the Liberals.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

      You wouldn't know anyone named 'Blazingcatfur' would you?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ed_Sweeney Ed_Sweeney

      Hey Paul. its best to disguise any contempt you may have for your readership. Its bad for business.

      And thank you, sincerely, for the comment -it HAD to be said.

  • cam

    wait– it's the Liberals' fault because Bob Fife said so???

  • Randy McClure

    Just watch the video. The cons can say all they want. The video doesn't lie. Harper was up receiving communion when he shouldn't have (amateur conservative staffers should have briefed him better on protocol, like Ignatieff was) and he didn't put it in his mouth. It was either pocketed or folded up in his program. Maybe he ate it later with a piece of brie or cheeze whiz for all I know. Harper's aides claim he ate it later but they have no proof, even if true he shouldn't have. All this hoopla is just getting more eyeballs on the video. But Kinsella raises a good point. With and alltime record number of people on EI, why are the conservatives distracting Canadians with this kind of partisan pettiness?

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

      why are the conservatives distracting Canadians with this kind of partisan pettiness?

      I hate to burst your bubble, but 99.99999% of Canadians are not distracted in the slightest by Wafergate-Gate.

      • Lord Kitchener's Own

        WHAT!?!?!?!?

  • cam

    Sorry, Meant to say leaving "out" CTV whoops.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/WDM WDM

    WK would have more of a point if he didn't have several blog posts chastising the PM on the issue. I mean, he's right, there are more important matters to talk about, but he's been commenting on this as much as anyone.

    • Dakota

      Exactly. Chastising the Conservatives for this is ridiculous.

      But then it's Warren K. What do you expect?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/BCerInToronto BCerInToronto

      Because clearly if Warren Kinsella spent more time writing blogs about unemployment, the economy would be in much better shape?

      I think we need to differentiate between what a pol spends time writing on his or her blog, and what the government spends time doing instead of running the country.

      • Rod

        And the Conservatives have been running the government/country, while the Liberals have done nothing but play games and complain from the day Emerson crossed the floor until today.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/BCerInToronto BCerInToronto

          Kick-ass job they've been doing too.

  • Alex

    I'd just like to point out that this…

    "But occasionally, one is struck by the epiphanette that, if aliens were to land outside your front door, knock politely, and ask you to sum up the deeper purpose behind human existence based on whatever you happened to be doing at that exact moment, it would result in a lot of confusedly furled antennae."

    …is by far one of the greatest sentences ITQ has ever typed.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

    Robert Fife – like a kid chasing a fire engine – needs to be more careful. He's in such a hurry to tell some wink, wink, nudge, nudge – he's made errors before. A few months ago he was all smug saying that Ben Mulroney was going to run as a Liberal….well, we all know that's not true.

    Is he having to make up to the Cons for the Lisa Raitt notes being held by CTV way back when?

    Also, Tom Clark has this stupid "tell me something I don't know" segment – copied from the Chris Matthews show in the US which seems to encourage a gossipy type response.

  • AnnieS

    Why is Harper a protestant fundamentalist taking communion at a Catholic mass. I go to Catholic weddings and funerals and I never take communion there. It must have been a photo op to get votes. I agree with the person who asked if Harper would try to gather in Jewish votes by having a public circumcision.

    • http://www.bluelikeyou.com/ Joanne (T.B.)

      Did any other non-Catholic take communion at that funeral mass?

      And that last bit is disgusting.

  • Stan

    "WK: The last journalist to contact me from the T-J was my friend Jacques Poitras, years ago. He doesn’t work there anymore. I haven’t heard from any person at the newspaper since, nor have I contacted anyone there."

    A quick google shows Poitras has worked for the CBC at least since 2006. So…what's this all about?:

    "Anonymous new kid on the blog savaged for lack of credibility; The Web Trenchcoat site called a one-sided echo chamber to advance a political agenda contrary to provincial Liberals …To that end, Kinsella (and yes, this is WK) calls the Trenchcoat site a "one-sided echo chamber to…equivalent of "nasty press releases." Byline: Joshua Errett Telegraph-Journal, Page: A1, New Brunswick Telegraph-Journal – Wed Jan 17 2007

    Just sayin'.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/YYZ YYZ

      Doesn't mean he called him for the quote. Reporters quote press conferences, other interviews, blogs etc. etc. all the time.

    • Lord Kitchener's Own

      Yeah, he could have quoted Barak Obama and Michael Jackson in an article too, doesn't mean he's ever met either of them.

      • NBexpat

        I remember that article in the TJ – it was a direct interview with Kinsella. It was ridiculous the venom he spewed over a blog that I think had maybe 5 posts on it.

    • herringchoker

      I'm sure Jacques Poitras is pleased to know that he's part of Warren's circle of friends.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/WernerPatels WernerPatels

    If there's one thing this whole nonsense demonstrates, it's that in Canada we seemingly don't have any real problems or issues facing the nation today. In fact, if this "wafer story" is all the so-called big pundits like Kinsella are interested in, then we might just as well close Parliament for good and say, hey, we no longer need a government, elections, etc., because Canadians don't have any issues, problems or challenges. We all live in la-la-land, so why bother with politics and government?

    FYI: I don't think that Kinsella had anything to do with this story. There are plenty of other fools in the lefty media who can pull off a moronic stunt like that all by themselves. They don't need foaming-at-the-mouth Kinsella (who, driven by his hate-on for Conservatives, seems to have lost all ability to think logically and reasonably these days).

  • Anonymous

    Warren says: "I publicized this story because of their insane overreaction. Had they not overreacted, it would not have been as interesting to me or anyone else."

    I went and looked through his archives. His first reference to it (unless he's deleted some posts) is here: http://warrenkinsella.com/index.php?m=07&y=09…

    Link to the story, link to the video and this comment: "Hey SoCons: what was that you were saying about respect for other faiths? Hmmm? "

    So I don't know that it's entirely accurate of him to say that he publicized it because of their insane overreaction – the tenor of the story he's linking too is that the Tories haven't said anything about it.

    Also, because I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere – I'm a Catholic and I still can't figure out how they were distributing communion there. In my experience, except for people involved in the mass, those in the congregation who are taking communion stand up, walk down the aisle single file, arrive in front of the priest, the priest gives you communion, you say amen and cross yourself, make a right or left and then proceed to go to a side aisle and walk back up to your pew. You can see from the footage that that's what a lot of the congregation seems to be doing. For whatever reason, a priest approaches Harper and the others in the first pew and hands them communion.

    This does strike me as one of the stupidest stories in quite some time. Maybe instead of pursuing the various potential players, Kady could just phone a Cardinal and get him to grant absolution or something?

    • herringchoker

      True, but they didn't do it that way in Memramcook. Actually at funerals it's not uncommon for the immediate family to receive communion in their pews.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/red_and_proud red_and_proud

      Although it is customary to line up for communion as you describe it doesn't have to happen this way, especially if the congregation is large. When I was at St Peter's Basilica at the Vatican a few years ago for Mass, priests fanned out to the parishioners with the host. The same thing happened here in Toronto 2002 at the World Youth Day Mass.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/YYZ YYZ

    I never thought this was a story and was amazed how much attention it was getting. Respectfully, I don't care whether he ate it, pocketed it, or put it on his head. Many Catholics might, but as CR pointed out, it's been tough to find them.

    I also don't care if a Liberal repeated some gossip to Irving. This happens all the time – it is a newspaper's job to verify. The T-J didn't, heads rolled, good.

    The underlying story, although not political, is an interesting one — and that is the propensity of the media to re-report stories that other outlets have reported. The Gore-Bush election is the most famous case of this. This, I think, warrants some genuine debate and is the only real story here. It's a gray area and I don't know the answer, but would be interested to hear how others think Editors should balance independant verification with getting audience the news by repeating stories broken by other outlets.

  • knick

    It seems to be a Harperite pattern that the original clanger story gets a second life as it's overtaken by the the follow-up spin story.

    • michele

      I think that is what Finlay calls the 'GLASGOW KISS" i.e. turning the tables

  • Anon

    I just want to post, for the fifth time in this thread, how much I am bored by this story, think it's a non-issue and wish to lecture everyone, at length, for not having better things to do than sit at the keyboard and type in uninteresting, unstylish comments about the whole thing.

  • Wayne

    So Kinsella admits prior knowledge! He heard a rumour that something or other was going to happen – no doubt about it. Always good to have that on record just in case a leak happens in the next bit and it turns out that yes virginia – some ex employees wife said something to some one else wife and well you know how plausible denialbility works don't you! Poor Kinsella – way to go kady try to pin him down and he uses the old well it was the gov'ts fault! Excuse me but how on earth can you fault the gov't for the TJ creating a news story? – this one takes the liberal spin machine to a whole new level – no I change my mind it's the same ol Kinsella … redux!

  • jim

    Canadian journalism now has as much cred with me as Wrestling.

    • Hanging Out

      Damn. I'll bet you were a real fan up to this very moment.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

      Wrestling hasn't been the same since the days of Erich Froelich and 'Mad Dog' Vachon.

  • Anon

    In addition to my last post, I would like to stress that I'm very disappointed with Canadian journalism, of which this post represents its entirely and which I am forced to read.

    • Kevin

      Forced to read?

    • Wayne

      ? = is your boss standing behind you commanding you to read on drone readon or it's no pay cheque – hmmmm!

    • Anon

      *yeesh* Humorless much?

  • Justin

    At least Harper didn't miss the communion because he was in the bathroom.

    • Sigh

      Better if he had.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/PolJunkie PolJunkie

        Ain't that the truth…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ed_Sweeney Ed_Sweeney

    Thank you for using the reference to 'Aught 9'.

    In the late 1990's I wondered if we would be popularly using the 'aught' designation, as it had been in the 19 aughts. We had grown so used to describing social phenomena as relative to certain decades (e.g. the 60's, 70's, 80's). I have been regretting that absence in our language. The aughts and the tens definitely do not have the same ring as the 20's and decades beyond that have.

  • Grumpy odl white guy

    Ahh, a pox on all your houses

  • Tguy

    OMFG! 159 posts?

    You people have to stop, you are only encouraging them with all this interest. STOP! STOP! STOP! NO MORE ABOUT WAFERS!

    Damn I just made it 160.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

      Wafers was last month.

      This month it's the Industrial-Politico-Media-Complex that's under scrutiny.

      Opinions are like …

    • E.B.

      Brings to mind a scene in Monty Python's "Meaning of Life", doesn't it?

      Just one more wafer thin mint…

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Lord_Bob Lord Bob

    Sorry guys, I've been out of town and I've only had time to skim the various comment threads.

    So, Warren Kinsella poisoned Michael Jackson with a communion wafer smuggled out of church by Stephen Harper so he could force Sarah Palin to print a goofy resignation speech in an Ontario newspaper? And Rick Mercer is busting the conspiracy from a public park full of garbage in Toronto? Have I got this right?

    • Wayne

      you forgot the other wafer – check out the grassy knoll

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Fish_30 Al O'Wishes

        I think you mean "gassy Noël".

  • PlaidShirt

    It's never the scandal, it's the cover up. It's not the wafer, it's a fired newspaper editor and a suspended publisher. I personally find it strange why people are posing questions to the Liberal Party functionaries. There are least two people who know the truth about the Telegraph-Journal article. Shawna Richer has been fired and might not be that interested in spilling the beans. However, Jamie Irving's 30 day suspension could easily be made indefinite if he doesn't fess up. Seeing as he was/is related through marriage and a good friend of Paul Zed in Ignatieff's office, I think he owes the public an explanation.

    Kinsella, OLO, ITQ, LifeSiteNews,…all a sideshow to the real question. Who added the words to the story and why? Jamie Irving knows and everyone else is speculating.

  • Wayne Whig

    This is rich -

    *I publicized this story because of their insane overreaction. Had they not overreacted, it would not have been as interesting to me or anyone else.*

    Insane overreaction? The story – now known to be false – was publicized all over the world, not to mention repeated publication in Canada. The conservatives, on the other hand:

    1 – didn't threaten to sue, as they well could, and would have won
    2 – merely denied the story

    And, of course, the story turned out be FALSE. A LIE, in other words.
    I think Kinsella's remarks about `the so-called Catholic vote' are telling: obviously this story was planted, by Liberals, in order to make Harper look bad in the eyes of traditional Catholics, a Liberal constituency that has been trending toward Conservatives in the last few cycles.

    (continued…)

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