ITQ Committee Liveblog Bonus: You have made a powerful enemy, Chairman Chong.

by kadyomalley on Friday, August 7, 2009 4:22pm - 58 Comments

So, remember how Michael Chong kinda sorta took a cheap shot at RIM co-founder Mike Lazaridis just as he was finishing up his testimony before the Industry committee today? When he suggested that there seemed to be a double standard as far as his objections to the way the Nortel auction was handled, and his fellow co-founder Jim Balsillie’s objections to the NHL league auction process? And then instead of giving Lazaridis the chance to reply, he gaveled down and adjourned the meeting? Which ITQ thought was a little bit unfair, since it was sort of taking advantage of his chairmanly powers?

Anyway,  as we were filing out of the committee room this afternoon, we were greeted by a RIM official handing out copies of the following written response to Chong’s comments.

Your move, Chairman Chong:

August 7, 2009
The Honourable Michael Chong, M.P.
Chair
Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology
House of Commons
Ottawa, Ontario

Dear Mr. Chong,

Thank you for allowing me to appear before the Industry Committee this morning. I appreciated the opportunity to make a statement, table a brief, and in particular to answer the questions posed to me. At the end of the session, as we ran out of time, you raised some important issues without giving me the chance to reply. As such, I would appreciate it if you could read this reply into the record before adjourning today.

First, I fully agree that foreign direct investment is extraordinarily important to Canada. I am a great believer in an open economy. Foreign direct investment cannot be totally unfettered and there are, and should, be limits for Canada, like there are for most countries. We have legislation in Canada that sets out the circumstances in which the government is required to review proposed foreign investments. As I stated in my opening remarks, I fully agree with what Minister Prentice said in May 2008 on behalf of the government:

“When it comes to decisions on whether foreign purchases represent a net benefit to Canada, my bottom line is this: Canada must retain jurisdiction and control over technologies that are vital to the future of our industry and the pursuit of our public policy objectives. We will not accept loss of jurisdictional control to another party.”

That is what today’s discussion is all about.

Second, you referred to proceedings in Arizona concerning the sale of a professional hockey team. With all due respect, the Ericsson -Nortel transaction and what it represents to Canada is in a very different league. I think we can all appreciate the importance of hockey to Canadians; however, the Arizona proceedings are irrelevant to the matters before this Committee today. We are here today to discuss Canada’s national security and national interests in relation to the knowledge economy of the 21 st century. The one parallel that can be made between the two bankruptcy court proceedings is that none of the bankruptcy courts in Arizona, Delaware or Ontario have the mandate or the authority to consider Canada’s national interests.

Third, in regard to your suggestion that RIM was looking to preclude other bidders and was seeking preferential pricing, I urge you to review and consider my earlier comments and submission. If RIM had been given a fair chance to participate in an auction, without being shut out of the opportunity to bid for other vital assets of primary importance to RIM, we would of course have accepted that the winner should be the one with the highest bid. To suggest otherwise is simply not true.

Having said all this, I remain of the view that Minister Clement’s stature is such that he can bring the parties together in good faith for a four-way discussion in order to fashion an outcome in the best interests of Canadians and of the companies involved.

Sincerely yours,

Mike Lazaridis

President and Co-Chief Executive Officer

cc – Members of the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/M_A_N M_A_N

    That's some nice piece of work right there. Content, tone and speed of delivery.

    A well-played rebuke, dignified, forceful and leaving the door open to a friendly reconciliation. Someone deserves a bonus.

    • Wayne

      I agree 100% it takes just the right path to the high road and dumps the puck back into their zone.

      • Mike T.

        There's no puck, there's no zone. RIM wants something they aren't likely to get, preferential treatment in a bidding process – same as they wanted and didn't get when Ball-silly tried to buy the coyotes for a song. Don't matter how nice they speak, they aren't really in the game, here.

        • John W.

          That play on his name was so insightful.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

      100%,

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

      100%.

      • yrmom

        110%

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

          if you wanna raise the stakes i am willing to go to 150%

  • KRB

    What's the deal about? This is normal back 'n' forth stuff between big's. Any executive would be dumb to be sidetracked by a small shot from the chairman of a parliamentary committee.

    I'm baffled that it even got a posting.

  • Anon

    Balsillie is going through a mid-life crisis.

    If he wants to buy a team, he should ask MLSE for the Maple Leafs or Rogers for the Blue Jays.

    They should be available at bargain basement prices.

  • http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com bigcitylib

    The guy's name really is Lazaridis? I thought someone was making a Buckaroo Bonzai joke. He must have had a terrible time as a kid.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

      Probably not – at least in Greece where lived until coming to Canada at age 5. I'm likely biased – living in Waterloo as I do – but I thought the founders of RIM were well known. I guess Lazaridis tends lie low, at least compared to Balsillie.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

        He's an UberGeek. I meant that in all respect. Specifically.

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

        He's an UberGeek. I meant that in all respect. Specifically.

      • Lord Kitchener's Own

        The other reason his name probably didn't cause him much trouble as a kid?

        He was 23 when Buckaroo Bonzai came out.

  • catherine

    He really outclassed Chong.

  • Bill

    Bravo Mr. Lazaridis! Nicely put. Prime
    Minister Harper should bounce Mr. Chong
    right out the door for embarassing the
    government with such such a disrespectful
    and misleading comment. Mr. Chong totally makes
    the government look petty and irresponsible.
    He made it clear that he simply resents having
    to do some work in order to preserve Canada’s
    rights during the aftermath of Nortel’s fire sale.
    On the other hand, Mr. Lazaridis was a real class act
    and sounded extremely reasonable and balanced.
    Maybe he should be the one running for public office!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/futurepm matthew

      Some from from this government look petty and irresponsible? Surely, you jest!

      • Jenn

        Yes, well, the usual suspects weren't at that committee, so maybe Chong felt he had a duty to bring in some controversy. It isn't a Conservative-led committee without at least one, or some such thinking.

        But on a bright note, it was the first time I got to see my MP, Peter Braid, in action. Bravo, sir! You didn't embarrass me even once, and you asked reasonable questions, and kept on things deserving of more information! If only you represented another party. Or alternatively, if only all others (most? SOME?) representing your party were of your same calibre. Yes, that was unfair since I had no complaints with any of the other Conservative members there–except the Chair.

    • Jan

      I thought Chong was smarter than this, Mind you I haven't heard him speak since he was bounced re the Nation decree. I'm scratching him off my short list of Con MP's that have a brain and are being kept silent.

    • Ex CPC Supporter

      government is petty and irresponsible by its very nature – and of the caliber of people attracted to politics.

  • Dot

    I find this whole exercise embarassing, as a Canadian.

    First off, Lazaris grovelling to largely ignorant MPs to save them from a biz transaction they lost. "We thought we had a deal" Ya, so what? someone outmanoevred you.

    And then the need for this emergency council meeting.

    Now, ITQ suggesting that somehow Lazaris wrote this response, and foolish commenters cheering him on.

    I'd suggest ITQ do some investigative work and find out what hack for hires such as Robin Spears were doing in between Chong's final staement and the response by "Lazaris".

    How gullible are you really, ITQ? You never cease to amaze.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

      Hey, it worked for Michael McCain.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

    Uh, ITQ sort of assumed that was a given. Of course he and his PR/gov't relations/comm staff would have gotten together to draft a response. I'm not sure … what your point is, really. I have enough respect for the intelligence of my readers not to think that, without an explicit explanation of the above process from ITQ, they would otherwise envision Lazaridis sitting outside the committee room, fountain pen in hand, writing out his reply in longhand.

    • Dot

      The fact is, it was you who personalized it. This is not Michael Chong vs one Mike Lazaridis . It is the Chairman reciting a prepared text/talking point, and a reply from RIM.

      "You have made a powerful enemy, Chairman Chong."

      "So, remember how Michael Chong kinda sorta took a cheap shot at RIM co-founder Mike Lazaridis just as he was finishing up his testimony before the Industry committee today?"

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

    Hmmm…..I'm surprised at Chong. He's one of the few Conservative MP's I respect – I mean respected,

    • Dot

      Case in point.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

    Honestly, I think you're being just a little bit pedantic and nitpicky, but to each, his or her own.

    ETA: Also, I'm not entirely sure that Chong's remarks *were* a pre-written talking point — one of the more interesting aspects to this particular meeting was the remarkably nonpartisan quality to the ensuing Q&As, in the sense that there didn't appear to be a 'party line' as far as how MPs reacted to the various witnesses, which was particularly noticeable on the Conservative side of the table.

  • Dot

    Well, I happened to see that statement/closing and it didn't have any appearance of spontaneity to me.

    And, to be fair, if it was a cheap shot, it was against Balsillie – but that would be nitpicking, wouldn't it?

    • Jenn

      Wait a minute. So, let us assume for the moment that it was a text written by a PMO staffer, who instructed Chong to read it before closing the meeting. That he does as instructed absolves him of all personal responsibility? And Kady's the gullible one?

      And Balsillie wasn't in the room, so I fail to see how the cheap shot wasn't directed at the co-CEO who WAS in the room.

      • Dot

        Had I been there, I would have asked RIM's representative the same thing – why the douible standard? Oh, it's a national security issue – Ya right. Does that make me somehow sinister? It's a fair question. And a bogus answer.

        If there is a national security issue wrt RIM, it is the fact that many US Senators, Congressmen, President etc are tied exclusively to its system, and it's a foreign owned company.

        Yeah, it's fun to create the impression that there are personal feuds, and feed it to the unsupecting and equally gullible (and some might suggest groupies), but it's unwarranted in this situation.

        • Jenn

          Okay, while you defend US Senators, Congressmen, President etc., I'll defend the Canadian public. The double standard, as we heard at the committee meeting, may have had something to do with the double standard on the Non-Disclosure Agreements. In that Ericcson, at least, did not (apparently) become prohibited from bidding on other assets, while RIM (apparently) did. Until that is cleared up, yes, it is somehow sinister.

          Oh, and bonus points for completely changing your argument when you were called on your first argument.

          • Dot

            Tell you what. Go down to Mariposa Market, and across from the free cake samples on the right hand side as you enter, ask some of the people behind the counter whether they agree with you. If they do, you'll confirm their understanding of the issues is to the same level as yours.

        • Lord Kitchener's Own

          Well, but the cheap shot isn't just the question is it??? The cheap shot is asking a question like that and then gavelling closed the proceedings before the person has a chance to respond. It's not cheap to ask incendiary and possibly irrelevant questions, it's cheap to ask such questions and then not allow the witness to respond.

          • Dot

            A cheap shot, in my books, would have been Chong saying 'Well, I guess if we don't vote in your favour and overturn the bid, we can kiss our privacy of our blackbertry messages goodbye", or "Gee Mr. Lazaris, with that full head of white ghair, you remind me a bit of Boris Yeltsin. Is that part of the RIM mafia behind you".

            Chong's manner in making his statement, and RIM's response was for public consumption. And I have no doubt that ITQ's live blogging of the proceedings were being monitored by RIM, and their response was fashioned in part by her comments.

  • Dot

    And they occasionally get linked to in National Newswatch etc.

  • Mike T.

    RIM executives. Acting like mouthy pre-teens since 2008.

    • Craig O

      They built one of the largest companies in Canada up from the ground, using a potent combination of strong engineering and good business sense. They play hardball and have always done so. This is the business world – if you get shoved around, you lose (and it's hardly typical for a "mouthy pre-teen to deliver a civil but critical letter to an opponent).

      • Mike T.

        They have indeed been very successful, especially in the past (in fact, if you read the eight words in the first post very very carefully, you'll note that one of them is a date, a year in fact..). But whining like a little girl because you want to write your own rules when you try to buy things don't make you a saavy entrepenuer, and it ain't 'hardball'. Yes, it's the business world, and between you, me, and Ball-silly, only one of us gets that.

        • quixotic

          So between you and Ballisille, the co-CEO of the company that created the wildly successful Blackberry, you're the one who understands business?

  • Ken S from Ramara

    Yet another stessor for the Harpo regime, I love it! Mr. Chong is now the latest in the line of Harpo's sheeple being placed, one by one into the limelight, who have cracked under the pressure. The #roft Bloggers keep asking "where is Iggy?" His presence is not required as Team Harpo is has taken on the task of imploding on its own. Mr. Chong you would have been wise to save your personal attacks for Mr. Iggy. Mr. RIM has the means to make you regret your remarks, bigtime!

  • John W.

    I always thought that some of the former PC members such as Bruce Stanton from Simcoe would have the guts to say no when they were asked to read the PMO simple minded diatribes during member's statements, speeches which would made them look like puppets at best but mostly just mindless fools. For power we must sacrifice our self worth, and what else?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wascally_Wabbit Wascally_Wabbit

    I don't get it. Harper's Heroes aka the US government – has no intention of any technology that is useful to them going outside their control. Heck – they throw people in jail and throw away the key when they find it happening – almost categorizing it alongside treason…

    I thought Harper wanted to show himself to be tough – but really his intention is to turn Canadians into a ragged band of shopkeepers…not actually making anything…

    • Stephen

      I guess it always comes down to whatever Harper does is wrong…..of course in this case they havent done anything wrong yet.

      Harper didnt drive Nortel into the ground, Nortel management stretchig back to John Roth in the 1980's did a fine fine job of that. There was some great engineering, but a terribly run company.

      RIM still isnt clear what they want out of all of this…..ulm, do they want to be in the telecom infrastructure equipment mfg and selling business…..I doubt it…..they were interested in anythign having to do with radio protocols, as they make great handset radios and exploit things others dont in the prootocols to yield superior performance (battery life etc) they are also interetsed in anything having to do with encryption, as their other claim to fame is secure delivery of information wirelessly.

      RIM doesnt belong to one party or another, it isnt a partisan issue, yet…but the Bloc willl be on Ericsson's side becaus ethere are jobs in Montreal….if RIM opened a research centre in Montreal then life might be different.

      But having dealt with RIM over getting their early versions of the BB to be French….I wouldnt count on it.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Tceh Tceh

      Why do the Conservatives lack any cohesiveness or direction when it comes to defending Canada's national interest? We observe MacKay strutting around and attempting to be Canada's strong man defending Canada's northern interests (The Russians must laugh out loud at Elmer's son but that is another story) and here we have the Conservatives allow the sale of Canadian taxpayer-subsidized technology without a whimper and throw Canada's technology gains to the wind. Who are the Conservatives anyway? Why are they so rudderless? Wabbit is correct. The country with the best technology generally gets the upper hand, so why give it away to someone else… These are Canadian jobs that just evaporated into the ether and the CONs are allowing it to happen.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wascally_Wabbit Wascally_Wabbit

    Stephen – nice try at change of channel – but the point isn't – how well or not NORTEL management ran the company – the point is – what about the technology – the results of R&D performed by Bell Northern Research – and manufactured by NORTEL – that put us streets ahead of the US and the rest of the world 30 years ago – that had generous amounts of government funding and tax credits poured into it? Why should that leave the country? I was on a Task Force for Bell back in 1976 when BNR first came out with digital telephony – which is basically what opened up the digital networks generally and the internet in particular…

    • Dot

      Say, speaking of the 70's, what type of VCR did you buy? The technically superior Sony BetaMax or VHS?

      And what ever happened to Sony after their technology lost out? I can't seem to find any of their products for sale anywhere.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/PhilCP PhilCP

      Hey, I once heard that Al Gore had a hand in getting the internet going….did he work at Nortel? (It's a poke at Al Gore, not Nortel.)

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wascally_Wabbit Wascally_Wabbit

        I once attended an open house at BNR for Chief Telephony engineers at Bell's Corners in Ottawa – where one guy who popped out of his lab like some Groundhog was regaling me with his project – to design aesthetically pleasing long haul cable towers – (actually the application was for Hydro companies I think).
        I also worked closely with BNSR – another Bell / Northern subsidiary staffed 100% with PhDs – whose main focus was to dream up the precursors to the apps you get on your Iphones and the like now…
        Point I'm making – in fine grained detail – is that in the past – both Canadian government – AND large Canadian corporations – had the vision to look ahead beyond the next quarterly forecast. RIM is I think – trying to continue that tradition in Canada. Harper's gang don't appear to have any clue what vision is – and their raison d'etre seems to be to dismantle anything that looks like a vision!
        As for Al Gore – I though he was always too busy with Climate Change to do anything for the 'Net.

    • Dot

      Oh, and while you're pondering that, what ever happened to IBM's pc division? You know – Big Blue, the maker's of the world's first pc? Remerber XT, AT, pc jr, Dos?

      Wtf, the US government surely wouldn't stand aside and allow a sale to a Chinese owned company, say Lenova for example., would they? Did they?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wascally_Wabbit Wascally_Wabbit

        Dear Dot – since the product was being fabricated all over the world – a practice that IBM started in the early 70's – there was no great job loss in mainland US and therefore minimal politcal backlash!
        And – for the record – there was a period when export of PCs to China was banned!

        Next question – I like swatting these out of the park!

        • Dot

          Ahhh, aso you're now coming to understand how products/technology matures and how first mover advantage is very difficult to maintain.

          And you also realize that RIM, typically a niche player with the business/gov't crowd is facing competition from all over the world, and has as a result moved into consumer goods – with resulting lower margins.

          R&D on LTE is not only done by Nortel, my technology literate friend. And it will not be the last technology developed.

          Btw, for your amusement, many many years ago, the Dean of Ivey's Biz School (Western) Bud Johnson would teach one first year marketing course on Nortel and the events you describe. He retired like two decades ago – shows how current your arguments are.

          As for the range of research done at Nortel (BNR), I know they hired many many PhDs as some people I worked with one summer in a reseach lab were hired by them. But, the range of research you describe may be a symptom of what went wrong – lack of focus.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wascally_Wabbit Wascally_Wabbit

            I'm not sure Kady really wanted this kind of debate here – but one last kick at this Can..

            I grant you a partial on one and a missing the point on the other…

            First mover – or brand and proprietary interest and control – was IBM's speciality – until companies like Amdahl and Fujitsu at the top and and Apple and Compaq then Dell at the bottom – exploited industry standards and beat the crap out of proprietary ones. Now IBM – barely plays the hardware world – sells value added consulting services.

            RIM found little or no fertile seed in the business gov't crowd – as you rightly say – but found instead a very fertile pool of endless (it seems) technical expertise coming out of U of Waterloo – cheap – imaginative – creative and even better – based upon results – than throwing endless wads of money with equally endless committees reviewing how you spend it…

          • Dot

            Well, this is precisely the type of debate that should be entertained on these blogs – so that commenters don't make ignorant statements.

            Right, IBM f**ked up by allowing Microsoft to license Dos and Windows to other manufacturers. And Intel and competitors did the same. Why Microsoft/Intel etc grew and IBM wiltered.

            Not sure I understand your point about RIM. Lazaridis I understood developed the basic technology while at UW (typically a farm school for Microsoft) and Balsillie was the marketing brains behind it. One could not be as successful without the other. This move to go grovelling to gov't to overturn a bankruptcy auction is, in my opinion, because they are losing their technological advantage due to increasing competition. If they were unfailrly shut out – appeal to the courts, and make a competitive bid.

            Over and out.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wascally_Wabbit Wascally_Wabbit

    Dear DoT – cute! I'm in the technology biz Dot – back then advising Bell how to integrate this technology into their business – more recently fascinated by how – despite all the screwups in mamagement – their researchers kept them ahead – this time with 4GL communications protocols…

    The precise patents that RIM is looking to keep in Canadian hands – creating Canadian jobs.

    Jeez – you guys…will give up restarting the economy to make a point…

  • Jenn

    Uh, yeah, the rest of us got it. We probably would have gotten it even without the huge clue you gave us about the staff behind you, and about how you told THEM he could scrum in the hall . . .

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

    Honestly, I think you're being just a little bit pedantic and nitpicky, but to each, his or her own. berried, bien sur.
    From: IntenseDebate Notifications

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

    Geez……Kady blogs committee hearings and saves the rest of us from sitting through some of the boring stuff. You don't like it? Don't read it.

    I didn't see it, so I look to Kady to tell us what happened. Thanx Kady from saving us having to sit in front of the juke box for hours – getting things done in the garden, etc.

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