We can’t talk about immigration

In fact, we’ll blame anything rather than confront the truth about what’s happening

by Mark Steyn on Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:00pm - 180 Comments

How does one express one’s, ah, concerns about these issues? Caldwell cites a headline from his own newspaper, the Financial Times: “The Uneasy Cosmopolitan: How Migrants Are Enriching An Ever More Anxious Host.”

The “unease” seems principally on the part of the FT’s sub-editor: as his linguistic tiptoeing suggests, decades of multiculti squeamishness have stripped us even of a language with which to discuss the subject. What benefit is it to France or French taxpayers to fund Islamic welfare imams? To pose the question is to miss the point. If you believe in mass immigration, you do so because it’s a talisman of your own moral virtue. If the economic argument for immigration is reductive even when it’s not plain deluded, the psychological one is not to be disdained. On the one hand, mass immigration is the price posterity levies on old-school imperialists: “They are here because we were there,” as they say in the Netherlands. But, if like Sweden you never had an imperialist bone in your body, they’re still here: “They are poor because we are rich.” And, if you’re a small urbanized nation like the Netherlands, the “challenge” of immigration is just the usual frictions that occur when people from the countryside—in this case, the Moroccan countryside—move to the cities.

So it’s the consequence of your urban planning, or your colonialism, or your wealth, or just plain you. We’ll blame anything rather than confront the central truth—that when an old, relatively unicultural society admits in a short space of time a large, young, fecund population from somewhere else, you are setting in motion a process of transformation. Caldwell asks the obvious question—“Can you have the same Europe with different people?” and gives the obvious answer: no. “Europe is not welcoming its newest residents but making way for them.”

In the end, that coy French euphemism for the, um, rioters of no particular socio-religious persuasion—“youths”—gets to the heart of the matter: youths are youthful, and ethnic Europeans aren’t. In the heavily North African Paris suburb of Montfermeil, the Muslim children from the housing projects pass on their way to school each morning a neighbourhood of detached houses still occupied by French natives: they call it “la ville des vieux”—the old people’s town.

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  • Auntturtle

    Why do women of western culture choose not to have babies?

    • Larry M

      It is not that Western women do not want to have babies, it is that they limit their families to correspond with their incomes so they do not become a burden on the system, rather paying their own way.

      I hope that helps with your question.

      • Joshua tree

        Ya, I really see a lot of professional women making 200K+ having tons of babies. Nice explanation.

    • http://gapingwhole.wordpress.com/ Em.

      I'm sure they each have their own reasons. It's an individual choice, not something that falls into the category of "things women in western cultures do".

  • oed

    Some comments reflect the fear that the American Indians must have felt when the 'white man' came in masses.
    Their fears were justified, and so are yours. But there was nothing they could do and so you can't.

    Rome had the same history and was finally ruled by the Barbarians.

    Not good, not bad – just the way it is.

    PS: Fear of Islam is totally unwarranted – there are many religions that will destroy Christian thought, i.e. all non-Christian religions to be precise.

  • jimbowillie

    As they say demographics is destiny. Based on birth rates, old Europe and many other countries will die a slow and gradual death just like grandma and eventually all of us. The world is a sea of change and like it or not it will just keep on keeping on.

  • TomB

    Ironic that half the critical posters accuse Stein of being "racist" against muslims (though how one can be racist against a religion is beyond me), and half complain that he is ignoring the muslims.

    It can't be both, people.

  • Fran

    Mark Steyn is reviewing a book about Islamic immigration, so it's pretty clear who he's talking about.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/materialist materialist

    While Mark's points are on point, I noted on a recent visit to Cassis that the affluent are enmeshed in an epidemic of burglaries. The prime culprits in this case appear to be Eastern Europeans much harder to identify than North Africans when prowling your neighborhood.

  • jane

    I read this article and have some comments on the subject as well. Immigration in Canada is confusing to me becasue there seems to be a number of different rules depending on where you are coming from. Being married to a Muslim from Iraq and having to wait 5 years for him to finally be allowed to come has caused me to become very disillusioned with our country’s views on immigrants. I am a teacher and a tutor of ESL I have met a large number of immigrants to my city. These are the observations that I have been able to make so far. If you are Korean, Japanese, or Chinese as long as you are wealthy Canada opens the doors quickly. However most of these people stay a short time move to TO or Vancouver (take their money and run)……… most are still financial/business connected to home because establishing new income here is not easy. Saudi comes without any effort as students and no one is watching them. These normally repressed young (at home in Saudi Arabia) are let loose in a western country without supervision and this is dangerous for everyone. Their parents quickly begin to think the west is bad and some religious fanatics see these lost youth as a new breeding ground for extremists. ( see what the west did to you…..) Now in my own case we are both conservative people. Both educated with long employment records however my (Muslim) husband is not able to get an interview for any of the numerous jobs he has applied for. Before coming to Canada he was in Sweden as a refugee. (Purely out of a need for safety, while he waited for Canada to decide) While in Sweden he found extreme racism. Why let all these Arabs come to your country if you refuse to hire any of them? Time and time again he spoke about the blatant racism and insulting comments made towards him and all other Arabs. The west invaded Iraq and then forgot about the 30 million that had their lives destroyed………… Most Iraqis hated the leader but were unable to speak out for fear of death. Sweden was the only western country to open their borders but not their hearts. Some of the refugees that arrived in their country were like my husband: well educated, traveled, cultured, and extremely grateful to the Swedish government. My husband had good skills to be used in Sweden if they could have realized it……. Immigrants come for all different reasons but mostly they come for a better life. All I know is that we are not welcoming to these new members of our society. Most came to escape conflict in their home countries and almost all want nothing more than a simple job where they can go each day and earn a living for their families. I see as our world becomes more connected and blended we are becoming more divided. Recently while crossly into the USA, a border official asked if I was born in Canada rather than asking if I was a Canadian citizen……….it seems we have levels of Canadians……..those that look like us and those new ones that no one really wants here………….and isn’t that sad….. and painfully ignorant…….if we looked back at out own family lines we came as immigrants under similar circumstances. “Lest we study history we are destined to repeat it………………” jane and mutaz

  • http://twitter.com/rollcallthebook @rollcallthebook

    Immigration isn' t the problem. People will always wish to seek out new paths. It's human nature to dream and travel. The problem with immigration is born by the country not taking care of their own citizenry by putting in place laws to keep their land full of opportunities. rollcallthebook.com

  • Quebecois

    I wonder about the choice of the picture on the left. Is that Jacques Massu during the Algerian war?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/AcrossCultures AcrossCultures

    That Muslim Demographic video has had over 10,000,000 hits. Many of them from over here in America. Though I really dislike the way the information is presented, it strikes me as blatant fear mongering, the fundamental statistics are true. But I have yet to read any positive suggestion as to how one should respond to this information. I think many people are not afraid of the ethnic/cultural differences of Muslims, but of the way the radical form of their religion is sometimes part and parcel of it. Since Christians in particular equate Muslims with radical Islam, I have written a book about how to respond to the Muslim Demographic video. If any are interested they can read about it at http://www.AVoiceForThePersecuted.com. Warning: It is based on a very wise man’s words: “Love your enemies.”

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/AcrossCultures AcrossCultures

    That Muslim Demographic video has had over 10,000,000 hits. Many of them from over here in America. Though I really dislike the way the information is presented, it strikes me as blatant fear mongering, the fundamental statistics are true. But I have yet to read any positive suggestion as to how one should respond to this information. I think many people are not afraid of the ethnic/cultural differences of Muslims, but of the way the radical form of their religion is sometimes part and parcel of it. Since Christians in particular equate Muslims with radical Islam, I have written a book about how to respond to the Muslim Demographic video. If any are interested they can read about it at http://www.AVoiceForThePersecuted.com. Warning: It is based on a very wise man’s words: “Love your enemies.”

  • guest

    Tell me then why less immigrants on the US are on welfare. Oh, wait limirations, tax credits to hire new immigrants and the disabled that do not exist in Canada or the EU. It gets people jumping into the workforce sooner, they offer free ESL and free job training programs and help with reaccrediation that does not exist in Canada or the EU, And old fashioned, antiquted attitudes toward immigrants that do not exist in the US. The US only gripes about all the illegals from mainly Mexico. Yes, some from Canada too.

  • Northstar

    Sadly, Canada's slack immigration policies have led to the end of the Canada-USA border relationship that we once knew. Racist as it sounds, we are no longer the Canada that they once knew. After all, "Toronto is Canada" and some 55% are people in the GTA are not traditional Canadians that Americans knew in the 1960s and 1970s sense. Sure, America has large numbers of immigrants, but not the same proportion of south Asian and muslim populations as found in Canada. The last thing the USA will want are hundreds of thousands of these newly minted Canadians running around the USA. Many of these people are "hand grenades just waiting for the pins to pop out". Sadly it is the end of an era for Canada's fabled longest undefended border. We have only ourselves to blame.

  • Canadian

    The folks here should read Styn's book "America Alone". It is disturbing, unsettling, and a call to action for those wanting to preserve our way of life, laws and beliefs. Islam is not simply a religion, but a grade-to-grave ideological political, social and legal "ecosystem". Islam does not assimilate, it engulfs and destroys those left standing in opposition to it. If we don't wake up now, the future of Canada is not multi-cultural, but islamo-unicultural. And we're doing it to ourselves by not taking this seriously.

  • F Morris

    Get rid of Steyn. His writing sucks and his thinking is unthought. An ugly blotch on your magazine, no questions.

    • RagingRanter

      His writing sucks and his thinking is unthought.

      Was that parody? Is there some clever irony in that sentence I'm missing?

  • Luc D.

    Mark, like you verify much but it is not 0.0035 % but 0.35 % (you forgot to multiply 139 / 40,000 by 100). You can see that easily : 400 is 1% per cent of 40 000 (remove two zeroes from 40 000). Not that it changes much to your argument.

  • http://knacelebritylacewigs.com lace wigs

    immigration really isn't the issue. the issue is world overpopulation. solve that problem first, then deal with immigration.

  • Tan

    Steyn is not very clear and lucid ,Quoting this and quoting that not being able to express his hatred and still be politically correct. Your skills as a writer are not up to the standards,probably trying to appear as learned by using foreign languages and not very clear analogies and comparisons. It is so difficult to hide your hatred of foreigners unless they happen to be brilliant white or red .Immigration should be fine if migrants were coming from white Europe or may be those disenchanted citizens of Israel who are tired of killing and expelling Palestinians and need some new adventures and new frontiers to exercise the right to hate.. I think that kind of migration would always be acceptable to you .It is an issue of economics , who knows if your grandsons and their children at one time would be lining up to get Chinese or Indian visa and Chinese Govt would allow them in, much to the chagrin of racist Chinese writers who would be against the Immigration.

  • Adam

    The real reason Canada, the U.S., Australia, Britain and everyone else continue to bulk-import warm bodies is to keep the real estate and construction bubble inflated. Developers, construction firms and banks need constant population growth, in order to justify the construction of housing and associated infrastructure (roads, schools). Of course, this causes urban sprawl, loss of wild habitats and farmland (and, hence, higher food prices), along with stress on freshwater supplies.

    Environmentalists won't talk about this for two reasons: fear of being labelled 'racist' (most immigrants are People of Colour), as well as philanthropic payolla. The Sierra Club accepted nearly $100M from David Gelbaum, under the strict condition that they NOT discuss immigration. The David Suzuki Foundation gets much of its funding from BMO-Financial and RBC, who've lobbied for nearly doubling our immigration levels. This is why 'environmentalists' simply won't acknowledge the obvious fact that adding over a quarter million people per year to the country is the root cause of urban sprawl.

    When Ruby Dhalla introduced her actuarial time-bomb Bill C-428 (and Gurmant Grewal a very similar bill), one of the façades of mass immigration–that we 'need' this staggering, unsustainable influx of people, in order to keep the pension system solvent–finally fell off. Neither the 'changing face of Canada', nor farm and greenspace-destroying urban sprawl are inevitable. Canadians (in particular, those in the environmental movement) need to get a spine and stand up to the banks, construction and development/real estate firms, and ethnic lobbies, and say "no more!"

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