We can’t talk about immigration

In fact, we’ll blame anything rather than confront the truth about what’s happening

by Mark Steyn on Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:00pm - 180 Comments

We can’t talk about immigrationChristopher Caldwell’s new book is called Reflections on the Revolution in Europe. And, if you don’t quite get the Burkean allusion, his subtitle spells out his real concerns: “Immigration, Islam and the West.” Given my own obsessions in recent years, you’d expect me to be favourably disposed to it. And I am, my enthusiasm only slightly tempered by the instant conventional wisdom that, if you’re only going to buy one Islamophobic Euro-doom-mongering diatribe this summer, Caldwell’s is the sober and respectable one, in striking contrast to certain others we could mention. “Unlike [Oriana] Fallaci and Mark Steyn, Caldwell does not rant or sneer,” writes Matt Carr of Britain’s Institute of Race Relations. Caldwell, says The Atlantic’s Andrew Sullivan, is not a “Steynian hysteric.” Oh, dear. I think I prefer the droll Irish commentator “P O’Neill”: “Someone has to say it,” he smirked. “Caldwell is the thinking man’s Mark Steyn.”

But enough about me. On to the book . . . actually, hold on a minute. One more thing about me. Let us put Islam aside for the moment, as my views have been well aired in these pages, and consider the author’s other theme. As it happens, for all his non-ranting, non-hysterical sobriety, Mr. Caldwell is somewhat more “extreme” than I am on immigration. For a notorious blowhard, I can go a bit cryptic or (according to taste) wimpy when invited to confront that particular subject head on. On the CBC last year, I was tap dancing around various socio-cultural generalities when the host, George Stroumboulopoulos, leaned in in that way he has and cut to the chase: “You mean [pause and knowing glance to camera] immigration?”

I thought of bolting for the nearest exit, but, at such moments, I usually take refuge in the formulation that a dependence on mass immigration is always a structural weakness and it would be prudent to address it as such. But in the end my line’s a bit of a dodge. As Christopher Caldwell sees it, no country truly “depends” on mass immigration. Ultimately, it’s a choice, or a fetish, or a fit of absentmindedness for which, in the event that one is called upon to justify it, there is no rationale. Indeed, it’s the defining irrationale of the age: a hitherto all but unknown phenomenon that is now regarded either as inevitable or the essential moral component of an advanced society.

To be sure, the green eyeshade types never cease trying to sell it on more prosaic grounds. “Sober-minded economists reckon that the potential gains from freer global migration are huge,” writes Philippe Legrain in Immigrants: Your Country Needs Them. “The World Bank reckons that if rich countries allowed their workforce to swell by a mere three per cent by letting in an extra 14 million workers from developing countries between 2001 and 2025, the world would be $356 billion a year better off, with the new migrants themselves gaining $162 billion a year, people who remain in poor countries $143 billion, and natives in rich countries $139 billion.”

$139 billion? From “a mere” 14 million extra immigrants? Wow! As Caldwell writes, “The aggregate gross domestic product of the advanced economies for the year 2008 is estimated by the International Monetary Fund at close to $40 trillion.” So an extra $139 billion works out to an extra, er, 0.0035 per cent. He compares M. Legrain to Dr. Evil excitedly holding the world hostage for one million dollars! “Sacrificing 0.0035 of your economy would be a pittance to pay for starting to get your country back.”

Okay, forget economic growth. With Europe’s population aging and the worker/retiree ratio shrivelling remorselessly, we need more immigrants to come in and prop up the welfare state. Johnny Frenchman may get a bit tetchy at the end of an agreeable evening with his mistress when he glances out the window just before heading back to the missus and sees une bande de jeunes (in the preferred designation) lighting up his Citroën. But when he’s 53 and retired he’ll be grateful to have those jeunes in the workforce paying in to keep his benefit cheques coming. That, at any rate, is the theory. The reality is encapsulated in this remarkable statistic from the Bundesausländerbeauftragte: between 1971 and 2000, the number of foreign residents in Germany rose from three million to about 7.5 million. Yet the number of foreigners in work stayed more or less exactly the same at about two million. Four decades ago, two-thirds of German immigrants were in the workforce. By the turn of the century, barely a quarter were. These days, Germany’s Gastarbeiter (“guest workers”) are heavy on the Gast, ever lighter on the Beiter.

Turks in Germany have three times the rate of welfare dependency as ethnic Germans, and their average retirement age is 50. In the Stockholm suburb of Tensta, where immigrants and their children make up 85 per cent of the population, one-fifth of women in their late 40s collect disability benefits. Foreigners didn’t so much game the system as discover, thanks to family “reunification” and other lollipops, that it demanded nothing of them. Indeed, entire industries were signed up for public subsidy. Two-thirds of French imams are on the dole. Does M. Legrain set their welfare cheques on the debit side of that spectacular 0.0035 per cent economic growth? Or does that count as valuable long-term investment in the critical economic growth sector of fire-breathing mullahs?

Across the decades, one self-delusion of the political class succeeds another: “temporary workers” are now political “refugees”; the urgent need for mill workers and janitors is now an urgent need for millions of Somali software engineers who’ll help Europe stay competitive in the “high-tech” “knowledge economy.” The policy changes but the traffic is remorseless. Recoiling from the logic of tightly argued books like Caldwell’s, sophisticates protest that “it is hard to generalize about Europe.” And it’s true that, if you take a stamp collector’s approach to immigration issues, there are many fascinating differences: the French blame their immigration woes on the bitter legacy of colonialism; Germans blame theirs on a lack of colonial experience at dealing with these exotic chappies. But, if you’re in some decrepit housing project on the edge of almost any Continental city from Malmö to Marseilles, it makes little difference in practice. “If you understand how immigration, Islam, and native European culture interact in any western European country,” writes Caldwell, “you can predict roughly how they will interact in any other—no matter what its national character, no matter whether it conquered an empire, no matter what its role in World War II, and no matter what the provenance of its Muslim immigrants.”

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  • Kumarright

    The moral of this whole story?____Simple.____If Westerners need immigrnats, they had better restrict them to those communities which do not threaten Western liberal values – like Chinese, Hindus, non-Muslim Africans, etc.____Muslims are the difficulty.____Steyn is not clear on this crucial point.

    • Boron

      I'm sure he would love to say that "Muslims are the difficulty" a bit more conspicuously, but in doing so he would pretty much be saying "I am a neo-fascist!"

    • Sully

      Unfortunately, the United States USED to restrict immigration to those which did not threaten Western Values. However, thanks to the liberals, led by LBJ, we forever screwed ourselves back in 1965.

      Read more here: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?stor…

      • Boron

        Ya, now Americans let in awful people like Indians and *gasp* Greeks! And those Chinese people, they are sure threatening "Western values", what with their slanty eyes and their dim sum.

      • cwe

        If anyone should have acted faster and more decisively to restrict immigration in order to protect themselves against threats to their values, it probably should have been the natives. Oh well, that's what they get for being liberals, I guess.

  • Kumarright

    PolJunkie:

    Sure, non-Muslim coloured immigrants. There are plenty of them. They generally fit into Western liberal society. Why should they be included in the Western fear of Muslms? Muslims do not fit into Western liberal society and Westerners are frightened by the rise in their numbers. Fair enough. But what do Hindus, Sikhs, Chinese and (many) Africans have to do with that problem? Steyn has failed to be clear on this point.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thomas_L Thomas_L

    Sorry, I'd say someting but I can't talk about it.

  • FInn

    This is an interesting subject, when a group or groups attack out of fear thus becoming controlling antics, then blaming the victims of such for their attacks and the world sits back and allows such subversive actions we are in sad situation. The white populations are immigrants worldwide as well as other skin colours, along with other cultures, here is what I say if you the immigrants dont like Canada then go back to where you came or go somewhere else and dont expect us to change for your culture, you change for Canadian culture. yes mutual respect for peoples culture is fantastic however when people try an dram down the throat tof he folks that live in Canada that we must change that is when the white immgrants stand up and say NO!! Canada gives financing an daid to immigrants from certain ethic groups ov=er others , it is easier to immigrate from certain countries ,but hey try and immigrate from europe and being a white scandanavian or euopean 10 years plus . colours are biggots against whites in most cases. that is a sadness that covers over mother earth. every person on earth should be ashamed of our behaviour.

    • Brian

      The official (political) position on immigration to Canada and its cultural impact is that Canada has no indigenous culture — its culture is that of its immigrants, so whatever they bring is, by definition, Canadian culture, and whatever changes immigrants impose on the existing culture is inherently Canadian. Confused? Well, yes, it's an incoherent policy, but that's what it is. No surprise that it is supported — indeed, enforced — by the Left. And yes, it denies the entire corpus of western civilization as an inherent part of Canada, despite the Charter or Rights and Constitution. And it thus contemplates with indifference the potential loss of the western liberal tradition and its replacement, if it comes to that, with such as shariah law.

  • hugh

    you are kidding! what a shallow man.

  • Bob S

    If you're all for free speech, exercise your right to it and tell us all why you are so disturbed by the article rather than tossing bald epithets in Steyn's direction.

    In answer to your question, it might just be because the man confronts a problem, rather than pussyfooting around it and thereby generates a lively discussion, ie he's worth the fee they pay him. because he attracts readers.

  • Jim

    I can imagine Steyn thinking, you call that Steynian hysteria? That's nothing! I'll show you Steynian hysteria! Voila.

    I wonder how much longer Steyn is going to keep milking the 2005 riots. I wonder why he never mentions the violent attacks on Mosques that have happened around Europe. His argument seems to be Muslim crimes=huge problem, crimes against Muslims= natural by-product of public hysteria (partially fuelled by commentators like Steyn).

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/minaka minaka

      The reason he doesn't mention "violent attacks on Mosques around Europe" is because if they exist at all they are miniscule in number compared to the literally thousands of attacks by Muslims on people and houses of worship of all other religions all around the world. In fact, the biggest attackers of Mosques and Muslims are other Muslims. Salim Mansur has commented on how tolerant the West has remained despite truckloads of Muslim provocation. The reverse is not true. Muslims have rioted because of Teddy bears named Mohammed and other petty grievances while westerners have not rioted after destruction of their airplanes and buildings, subways, trains and buses along with thousands of fatalities. There is simply no comparison in either crimes or response and Jim's equating of the two shows him to be unbelievably uninformed on the subject or an apologist for Muslim violence.

      • Jim

        First of all, I never equated the two, I just noted that it's not a one-way street. There have been a couple very serious terrorist attacks perpetrated by Islamic terrorists in Europe in the past 5 years. I am not in any way excusing the attacks, but remember that Western countries have bombed the crap out of two Islamic countries in the past few years. There have been tens of thousands of civilian casualties in Iraq alone. The extent of Islamist terrorism is also somewhat exaggerated. For example, according to a report by Europol, in 2006 only one terrorist attack out of 500 was perpetrated by Islamist terrorists. Directing hysteria only at Islamist terrorism is a bit silly. By the way, your ignorance of islamophobic attacks doesn't mean they don't exist. And while you are correct, that "the biggest attackers of Mosques and Muslims are other Muslims", it is also true that the biggest destroyers of churches in the past few centuries have been Christians (WWI+II), but war situations aren't really the topic at hand here ('civil war' can accurately describe the state of sectarian violence in Iraq).

        • Ant-tex

          Luckily there are no attacks on Christian churches in Muslim countries. Oh sorry, I forgot, there are none in those bastions of freedom

          • Jim

            Actually there are Christians and churches in all Muslim countries. There are 600,000 Christians in Iraq, for instance. There are about 20 million Christians in Indonesia. There are about 300,000 Christians and more than 70 churches in Iran. Christians have had a significant presence in the Middle East since the early days of the faith.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/canadianviking canadianviking

            "For example, according to a report by Europol, in 2006 only one terrorist attack out of 500 was perpetrated by Islamist terrorists. Directing hysteria only at Islamist terrorism is a bit silly."

            I really don't think a few cherrybombs by IRA wannabes counts on the same scale as the Madrid train bombings and the London Tube bombings…

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/AJR79 AJR79

            How many Christian churches in Saudi Arabia?

          • Johnny boy

            Probably about as many as in China

  • Revnant Dream

    Everyone misses the real point here. Its not race. Nor is it even Culture.
    If Westerners would have had children than the we would not be importing our decedents who will have a very different idea of what Cabana will be socially. Instead of a weakly sick cultural impulse from a faded aged population left with no faith in anything.
    I blame the Population bomb myth from the 60's(Is there nothing now evil that was not spawned then?) for stopping couples having children. Abortion as a way of population control has not only cheapened life, we have slaughtered half our future for economic reasons for the most part. In fact the greed of the boomer generation invented a new phrase. Dinks (Double income no kids) who only care about the lives they personally live, to hell with the future.
    No we have done this to ourselves. WE allowed politicians to use immigration to self perpetuate voting blocks.
    Than as a Polity we have introduced tribalism under the umbrella of multiculturalism. With the HRC's to persecute the States mandate on its born citizens in favor of new comers including hiring quotas. Now Canucks come in brands with different law or expectations. Identity politics has killed equality before the law as HRC's are killing free speech.
    Than we pay with our taxes for a Nation we now as old Canadians works to destroy us.
    Jihadists using law fare is an example of this, to force Sharia law on none Muslims with all the restrictions including seeing eye dogs as unclean..
    If we had procreated all this would be mote. The sword was placed by ourselves on our own necks.
    In arrogance we felt it would all get better or stay the same. But you see we need people born in that cradle or all we did becomes dust. In every society on Earth till late 20th century Europe & North America included considered life sacred & a duty to have children to carry on. In our hubris we pretended this fact didn’t exist. Now we pay. Family is the cornerstone of the Polity, family a Nations strength.
    JMO

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/minaka minaka

    It's a wicked circle indeed that has western cultures in a death spiral. One factor you didn't mention is socialist policies and concomitant big government to administer these. Such governments keep raising taxes to pay for their own bureaucracy and distribute what's left to buy votes. As a result, one member of a married couple has to work just to pay taxes while the other works to put bread on his/her family's table. When you have a lot of adult dependents (government workers who get to retire at 55, welfare recipients, subsidized artists, countless interest groups, cadillac garbage trucks so garbage men don't have to lift anything etc.) many people feel they cannot afford a child or more children.

    Then the ruling elites pretend they're fixing the problem through immigration when all they're doing is making things worse and stalling until they are safely collecting their cushy pensions when the brown stuff hits the fan in earnest.

  • J. Barker

    I live in a medium-sized city in Western Canada, and there are lots of Muslims here. Some are immigrants, some are refugees, and some were born here. My city is fairly welcoming, and most people are free of fears that Muslims will start bombing our city or imposing Sharia. We have Muslim doctors, professors, cab drivers, teachers, and lawyers. I would just like to know, why should I be against immigration? I am glad that we do not have here a self-perpetuating cycle like in Europe, which is fuelled by vitriolic, and yes, hysterical writers like Steyn, who lash out against Muslims, using them as a scapegoat. People attack Muslims-> Muslims feel alienated-> Muslim youths lash out-> People complain, attack Muslims etc. I am not excusing the behaviour of criminals, but my point is that Steyn seems to want only to solve the issue by blaming Muslims for the social ills of Europe and stopping immigration from Muslim countries. Now, is this at all problematic in a continent in which many nations were complicit or directly involved (France, Germany, Poland, Italy, etc) in the attempted elimination of an entire race? How is Steyn's article more than a shade different from an article that you might see on the web site of a neo-fascist political party in Europe?

    • Raymond

      People attack Muslims>Muslims Feel alienated>Muslim youths lash out>.Any examples of people attacking Muslims in western Democracy's.
      It 's more like ,Muslims feel alienated>Muslims lash out>We appease them>more lashing out>appease

  • misanthropicus

    The objective of the left, i.e., the destruction of the modern national capitalist state has been fulfilled – making from a, once a privilege (to move into another, better country without any connection whatsoerver), has became a right. Soon, a "global right" – we are the world.

  • Stacy

    There is one simple solution to mass, transformative immigration; Stop subsidizing non-workers. Limit welfare and "disability" payments for the entire national populations. Limit access to healthcare to only citizens. Milton Friedman told us if we want more of something subsidize it. Stop subsidizing it and it will slow to a trickle.

  • Cindy

    I miss the America I grew up in…one that was nearly 90% white. I'd trade that any day for the "diversity" and turmoil of today. In years past, I would go to the mall or post office and see orderly lines, courteous people, space to move about in. Now I go to these places and I feel like I'm at some internation bazaar, with hawkers trying to sell me something, being asked for a "bakshish" or whatever it's called for routine service, or Spanish, Arabic, Pashtun, or other non-English language being spoken loudly in the background. ____If it were up to me, I'd impose a moratorium on ALL immigration to the U.S. for at least ten years. If Americans and Europeans aren't having children, it's because they have been imbued with a sense of hopelessness about the future due to the imposition of Leftism and politically-correct thought. Things are what they are. And not all cultures or races are equally endowed with intelligence or civilizational abilities. Call me a racist or bigot, and I don't care. I didn't create this world

    • Charlie Martel

      Awesome comment!

  • http://ginamallet.com gm1000

    it's probably too late…but still, the west should end its apathy and simply shut the doors to immigration, declare a moratorium, and the money saved by accommodating welfare immigrants, refugees, etc, should be distributed to poor countries. Else, our way of life will be dead.

    • Charlie Martel

      I think you are right, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try to do something about the problem. I do believe the horse has bolted but I will still support the side I believe in and that is the side that believes in the west and its values and is totally unapologetic about doing so. Down with lefties who enable and brought about this situation!

  • Trinity14

    I would never want to loose the multi culturalism that I have grown up in, or the experiences I have had with friends from different cultural and social backgrounds. Yet, there is a lot of change happening in countries like Canada because of immigration and there have been times where I look around and I can't seem to find my own niche with my own people and culture. I look at this disdain that so many people have of "white people" and it is clearly another form of racism. I just don't seem to understand how grouping all of "us" together is any different from someone else doing it to another race. Yet, it seems to be okay and almost taboo to stop someone from doing so. This happens to everyone, and there are plenty of people out there afraid of what is different, or what is considered wrong. We are now on equal terms with different ethnic races, through racism among others.

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    • Charlie Martel

      Well you can't have your cake and eat it too. You support your own destruction by advocating multiculturalism and you therefore cannot complain when you end up seeing the inevitable consequences of such a vacuous societal governing principle.

  • Thoughtful

    On the point of immigration, I would not want it stopped all together. There is not a day that goes that I don't learn something new, and understand a little more about this world by opening up and talking, and asking questions about each persons different lifestyle. I think that like any situation, there are bad sides and good sides and we have people here who cannot see both.

    • Charlie Martel

      But you are quite prepared for all that you love (I assume you love what your country stood for and what your ancestors achieved) to go down in flames? Doesn't sound like you are thinking straight but this is a sign of the times. People find a virtue in believing in values that support their disintegration and destruction.

  • Delmar Jackson

    Multiculturalism is a seven syllable word defined in seven syllables– get ting rid of white peo ple.
    Most citizens have few objections to moderate immigration of assimilating newcomers, it is all the Colonization going on that is killing is.

  • fenster moop

    I get most all of Steyn's article but I don't get this:

    "no country truly “depends” on mass immigration. Ultimately, it’s a choice, or a fetish, or a fit of absentmindedness for which, in the event that one is called upon to justify it, there is no rationale."

    Does this mean there have never been in history circumstances under which the choice for large-scale immigration might have been rational? That the benefiits might have outweighed the costs? Like, for instance . . . . ummmm . . . . The United States. I don't buy the notion that we'd all be better off if we had just counted on those nice Anglo New Englanders to populate a growing industrial nation.

    So where one stands on these questions is a function of specific circumstances. As Steyn is fond of pointing out, the American experience gives no permanent moral warrant to the pro-immigration side. But the reverse is also true: the fact that Europe has mangled immigration and assimilation as badly as it has does not lead to a universal and for-all-time conclusion that there is never a 'rationale' for large-scale immigration.

    • Charlie Martel

      I think it makes sense because any country can sustain itself and can procreate unless the male members' penises have fallen off. I think it is pretty easy to understand. To believe you need mass immigration is a failure to see that you carry your own fate in your own hands. It is exchanging independence for dependence and is a disaster in the end, always.

  • fenster moop

    So I disagree with Steyn's rhetoric but not some of his main conclusions. It is a question of balance, and in Europe at least I think there's reason to conclude things are way out of whack, due to the continent's relative inexperience with assimilation and the predominant tilt in the direction of Muslim immigration. I am not as convinced America is lost. Big problems, yes, but I don't see how Steyn's Europe conclusions can profitably be pasted upon America.

  • Gordo38

    We will wake up and the country will be overflowing with immigrants. But sadly it will be too late. We will regret this experiment with multiculturalism "mark my words".

  • Lukasz

    To J. Barker, could you please expand this bit of information about Poland being “complicit or directly involved in the attempted elimination of an entire race”? I find it completely false. As for Italians I am not so sure. They got their imperial moments, with lots of dead civilians but nothing genocidal.
    The article is quite interesting, but the comments even more.

  • Lane

    The three options discussed early are A. have more of our own. B slink into oblivion or C. keep the immigration door wide open. Well with those choices I choose B and then back to A. the Japanese may be on a massive slide into oblivion but eventurally that will slow and they will come back using A. So in turn they will still have their cutlure intact to some degree. With C we essentially become a footnote in the history books. Why must we out of guilt destroy our own culture ot accomodate somoene else's. Also we have to know that in that period of transition that at some point the French or the UK or whover will fall under an electorally highly conservative government that will for all practical purposes make us part of their culture or drive us into oblivion.

  • http://gapingwhole.wordpress.com/ Em.

    I believe it should be "heavy on the Gast light on the Arbeiter" (heavy on the guest, light on the worker")

    Just saying.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/cooperscopy cooperscopy

    Our country is systematically being taken over by a progressive onslaught, that is finally finding some resistance from the grass roots of America… It's time to fight for our country….http://cooperscopy.blogspot.com/

    • John

      Resistance.. you mean from neo-Nazi militias?

  • adam

    Having less children is a natural by-product of being wealthy. Western Countries have less children because we have more money. Wealth is freedom. Free people like to remain free. Having children curtails that freedom no matter how cute and cuddly your children might be. Poor people often struggle to even keep themselves alive. Children are these people's only hope of a better future. They know they won't have it in their lifetime; maybe thier children will have the luxury of achieving personal wealth. Then they will be able to put off having children and travel, go to college, learn and experience all the world has to offer before they take on the burden/blessing of 20 years of child rearing.

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