So many motions, so little time

by kadyomalley on Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:57am - 48 Comments

layton… and no, we don’t yet know for sure if they’re going to make it to the resolutions on changing the name, although the slightly less committal approach — consulting with members and reporting back at the next convention — definitely seems more likely to make it to the floor. There are also emergency motions on everything from Omar Khadr to cell phone fees, and who knows what procedural antics the Larsenistas might have in store for their unwitting brothers and sisters. It’s going to be great, y’all! The action — such as it is — starts at 8am EST sharp, but since ITQ is probably the only one who actually set her berry alarm to wake up, y’all can join the fun at your leisure.

The resolutions up for debate still aren’t available on the convention website — seriously, y’all, what’s with the holdup? — but thanks to National Newswatch, you can follow along, and if you happen to be CPAC-deprived, you can watch the coverage via livestream over at ndp.ca, and tune into the #hfx09 hashtag on twitter for all the gossip from the floor, including lots of

Oh, and for yesterday’s thread, click here.

8:01 AM

And we’re back! Good morning, everyone — by which, of course, I mean the one or two of you who were able to drag yourself out of bed on this lovely Sunday morning. CPAC’s Martin Stringer is rarin’ to go — he has two delegates up as we speak, including an already irate woman from Toronto who is very, very disappointed by the overwhelming Obamamania that the organizers have demonstrated thus far; she also has a warning for her fellow New Democrats in Nova Scotia: Don’t take victory for granted, and don’t assume that just because they’ve managed to install an NDP government, it doesn’t mean the work is over. The other delegate — a Nova Scotian, and a former Progressive Conservative — is far less doom and gloomy.

He — Stringer, that is — then switches to a pair of Quebec delegates, including the party’s candidate in Hochelaga, Jean-Claude Rocheleau, who talks about the passage of resolution to “force companies to work in French in Quebec”, which he sees as a “great success”, as was a motion to transfer cultural funding to the province.

With that, it’s back to the stage, where co-chair Niki Ashton is just wrapping up what ITQ is sure was an upwaking introduction to Nova Scotia MLA Lenore Zann, who is apparently going to tell us all how important arts and culture is to the Canadian economy. Which sounds like the perfect opportunity to forage up something from the kitchen, so ITQ will meet you back here in a few minutes. Ooh, I wonder if she’ll call for more draconian copyright laws. That wouldn’t go over well with Charlie Angus at all.

8:20 AM

Stop buying Hollywood programs, Canadian broadcasters! Our cathode tubes need more Canada. How long before we get to resolutions? The agenda on the website is no help at all, and with the leader’s speech slated for 11:30 am Atlantic time, they’re going to have to triple fast-forward through the policy debate.  Oh, and according to Zann — who is, for anyone who didn’t follow the last provincial election, is, herself, a “freelance actor” and playwright  –  we need a cultural policy that means more acting jobs for older women — which, by current TV/movie standards, would cover pretty much everyone on the wrong (or, depending on your perspective, right) side of 25.

8:28 AM

Okay, Zann – who is cute as a button, by the way, and should really consider making the jump to federal politics if she isn’t already contemplating just that – wraps up with a cheery “break a leg” for Jack Layton, and then it’s on to the policy resolutions, with the first block of proposals on strengthening human rights.

An Albertan delegate pops up to ask a deeply arcane and technical question about the process, and how directives versus position statements will be added to the policy booklet — it’s actually too arcane and technical for even ITQ to follow, which is saying something. Sister Chair tells him that it will all go to Federal Council, and moves onto the first resolution, which would prevent violence against indigenous women. Okay, so this is going to be one of those policy sessions — where every single resolution will be adopted unanimously. I guess it’s good for party unity, although it makes for pretty dry liveblogging. A Winnipeg delegate gives us a quick backgrounder on the murder and disappearance of Aboriginal women, and then gives the rest of his time over to his Aboriginal sisters. I wonder if they’ll insist on applying the gender parity rule for speakers on this resolution.

8:39 AM

The co-chair of the party’s Aboriginal commission gives a passionate, deeply personal defence of the resolution and gets an (entirely deserved) impromptu standing ovation, and with that, they go to a vote, which is, entirely unsurprisingly, unanimous.

Next resolution: Expanding party policy on the rights of Aboriginal people, and investing in First Nations, Inuit and Metis communities. ITQ sees another unanimous vote in the making, but will let you know if an actual debate breaks out, which seems distinctly unlikely. Sister Chair insists that at least one delegate has to speak to the motion before they can vote, so one does, although he notes that this isn’t exactly a “radical” change; it’s just clarifying language that is already part and parcel of the party’s official policy. As such, it passes unanimously.

8:43 AM

Thanks to a slightly slow off the mark CPAC simultaneous interpreter, ITQ isn’t quite sure what this next resolution covers — something about enshrining a “decade of action” on First Nations rights — but it doesn’t really matter, because it’s going to go through with unanimous support — that is, after Niki Ashton stops shaking her fist from the pro mic and lets it go to a vote. She’s a firecracker, that Niki Ashton — and so far, the first sitting MP to take the floor this morning.

8:49 AM

Or maybe not — someone is actually at the con mic, and not just to make a point of order! The delegate in question wants to refer to the motion back to the resolutions committee, not because he doesn’t support it, but to tweak the language, mostly by making the wording more specific, especially with regards to improving the “third world” conditions on reserves. Another delegate agrees, and wants the language to emphasize the need to “expedite” action on First Nations schools, as well as affordable housing. The motion to refer — oh, come on, CPAC, show us the floor when delegates are voting. Honestly. Anyway, it passes — no idea by how much — and that’s that.

Next up, more money and support for public broadcasting, especially the CBC, and ensuring “nonpartisan” coverage.

8:55 AM

A Francophone delegate from Saskatchewan points out that, although there are several resolutions with a similar thrust, this is the only one that makes specific reference to Radio Canada, and calls on the broadcaster to enhance the services it provides via the internet. The candidate for Hochelaga pops up to voice his support, noting that in his province, Radio Canada is the only outlet that delivers an “independent message” — the private broadcasters all seem to be lobbying for something — and that the privatization of broadcasting is, in fact, the privatization of democracy — a stance that elicits a surprisingly rousing for a Sunday morning round of applause. The motion passes unanimously.

9:00 AM

Watching the twitter stream, ITQ is starting to wonder if her definition of  ”debate” is somehow different from that used by NDP convention-goers. Resolutions that pass unanimously after three speakers in favour does not, in her view, constitute debate, but agreement. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, of course, but it’s just silly to pretend that it’s anything else. Oh, and a resolution on funding for the Canada Arts Council carries; Sister Chair doesn’t mention whether it was unanimous, but it looked like it from ITQ.

9:04 AM

Ooh! Controversy! A delegate complains about the flaky translation — so it’s not CPAC, I guess; it’s the NDP that can’t get its interpretation straight — and the interpreter herself then speaks up to remind us all that she needs to find the resolution in order to read it. This is why making the resolution list available to everyone is a good idea. Anyway, the motion in question, which is on the rights of persons with disabilities, is going to pass unanimously, ITQ predicts. The first speaker points out that this would also ensure support for autism treatment across the country — right now, it’s a province-by-province patchwork.

Another speaker points out that the idea is put stuff that is already in the platform into policy, although frankly, the difference between the two is escaping ITQ at the moment. Oh, and she also prefers the term “different abilities”, because it includes everyone. Apparently, last night, they held an Abilities Festival. MUST. NOT. MOCK.

9:13 AM

Sister Chair is getting frustrated, y’all. Quit going to the con mic just to call the vote, delegates. Oh, except according to the outgoing chair of the disabilities commission, who sounds exceptionally out of sorts, insists that the vote cannot be called from the con mic, and if she goes forward with this vote, he’s going to challenge it. Whee. Oh, it’s Kevin Kinsella — I didn’t recognize his voice at first — who lost his run for the presidency to Peggy Nash. Sorry, I probably should have mentioned that earlier, huh? Rebecca Blaikie won the race for party treasurer, too — those were the only positions being contested. Unlike the abilities resolution, which sailed through when they finally got to the vote.

9:16 AM

Oh good, another Ridiculous Hat Wearer heard from: She’s annoyed because there was another delegate — a gentleman in a wheelchair — who wanted to speak to the last motion, and she thinks it was very rude of Sister Chair not to recognize him. Point noted.

And now, another resolution in French. The interpreter — who is becoming a supporting player in today’s drama — apologizes for being late, and goes on to read the motion in English, which would end the homophobic and transphobic treatment of LGBTT people, by removing the ban on blood and organ donation, as well as equal access to health care.

A pro delegate reminds the floor that the party passed “fundamental policy” on the recognition of transgendered rights, and asks us all to imagine how we — yes, all of us — would feel if our blood or organs were rejected because we were a woman, or an Aboriginal person, or a person of colour. Not very equal, am I right, people?

The newly elected chair of the LGBT commission tells us that this is a very important resolution, and gets backup from a Saskatchewan delegate. The motion passes nearly unanimously — it may actually have been unanimous, but Sister Chair didn’t mention it, so we can’t be sure — and that, as it turns out, is the last motion in the block.

9:25 AM

Ooh, the leadership question! With tiled doors! A Brother Chair explains the rules for the leadership balloting, which will take place at the same time as the rest of the policy debate. What will Jack get? 85 percent support? 90 percent? A perfect 100 percent? He reminds delegates that if you support Jack, you vote no — no leadership convention, in other words — and if you don’t, you vote yes, which he admits is a little bit counterintuitive, but that’s just the way it works.

CPAC is now running extreme closeups of unidentified hands shuffling through ballots and writing out their one-word decision – YES or NO.  From that admittedly small sample size, it appears that the current leader is safe. Brother Chair will be back in a half hour or so to reveal the results.

9:30 AM

And now, on to a new theme package — proposals to change the party constitution —  and a delegate pops up to suggest that, rather than read through every single resolution, some of which run to seven or eight pages, they, you know, not do that, since the delegates have the full text in their handbooks. Sister Chair reminds everyone that this is also being broadcast on CPAC, and there are observers in the audience as well, so not everyone can read along. WHICH IS WHY YOU SHOULD PUT THEM ON THE INTERNET. Honestly, people. This is just stupid.

Sister Chair promises that they’ll try to find a way to deal with that, and then it’s onto the resolutions. Which could, in theory, include at least one of the name change motions, depending on how quickly they get through the first — six or so? ITQ doesn’t know exactly how many resolutions are ahead of it, because — are you starting to sense a theme? — SHE DOESN’T HAVE A COPY OF THE LIST.

9:36 AM

Brother Chair is still reading the first resolution, which involves changes to the structure of party councils as well as other tweaks; ITQ stopped paying attention ages ago. Funny thing about constitutional resolutions, though — they tend to inspire the most debate, since party members — of every party, this isn’t exclusive to the NDP — tend to get far more exercised about changes to party policy than the party’s, you know, policy.

9:41 AM

Still. Going. According to the twitterflow, the first name change resolution is seventh on the list, but if even a couple of the other preceding motions are anywhere near this long — and especially if there is actual debate — it seems distinctly unlikely that it will make it to the floor.

9:45 AM

Done! Reading, that is — now, over to the pro mic, who wants to — oh, come ON — who wants to refer, which is the NDP procedural version of a hoist, ITQ is pretty much positive of that now. His concern has something to do with adding one more prairie seat to the council, but now another delegate is complaining that he was at the mic long before the speaker first recognized by Sister Chair, and he wants to propose a motion to divide. Ooh, drama! Sister Chair agrees that this motion is, in fact, dividable, which carries.

Does that mean they’re going to go to clause-by-clause? Oh, for heaven’s sake.

9:48 AM

Okay, according to the mover of the first bit of the now-divided motion, this will make the party’s constitution a more “utilitarian tool” by “cleaning up” some of the language. Another delegate points out that there’s been no direction from the convention on exactly how the new preamble should be drafted — gosh, that sounds like something that would actually have garnered some debate on the floor — and as a result, she doesn’t love this motion. She doesn’t love it at all, although she doesn’t know whether she opposes the motion itself. She opposes it in its elemental form, anyway. Another delegate points out that it may be simplistic, but “for gosh’s sake”, this is something they should do — especially when everyone else is paying so much attention to the name change. She doesn’t say that because she wants to take out some of the “great language” that, at the same time, dates back to the Cold War, and as a newly minted member of the executive, she thinks that her brothers and sisters should show a little faith. She wants more debate on this, not something “distractionary” like a name change.

Big, big round of applause.

9:53 AM

The audience is getting feisty — there are audible yells of “call the question” coming from the floor. Apparently, this may be a stalling tactic — that’s from the twitter gossip — although having watched party policy debates before, ITQ has no trouble believing that there are so many delegates at the microphones.

Sister Chair doesn’t  want to call the question just yet, because there are still speakers, and seems to be getting a little bit frazzled. I guess that’s what happens when you get used to resolutions going through with virtually no actual dissent.

9:55 AM

And now, the vote — and it carries, which leads to an outburst of grumbliness from the floor. On to the next motion — not resolution, mind you — which would “clarify the use of language” within the constitution, which currently uses four different phrases to describe riding associations; those would be replaced by the single term “electoral district association”, and the first speaker is in favour. Not so the next speaker, who doesn’t think it would “clarify” anything at all. He believes in using plain English — and plain French — and wants to ‘call a spade a spade’ and stick to the terms already in use.

Motion — which requires two-thirds support — carries. EDA it is!

10:02 AM

After a brief discussion on the meaning of “gender parity” — etymologically, not philosophically — it’s onto the next motion, which seems to have something to do with numbers of delegates allotted to the various recognized affiliate, including labour. A Steelworkers delegate points out that they’ve worked hard for the party, and want to be involved in all aspects of what the party does — and to do that, they need representation. He wants constituency associations — which, ITQ points, are now to be referred to as EDAs — to reach out to labour; in exchange, labour will show them how to run membership drives. Steelworkers vote! (Applause) They want to see “real Steelworker and labour activists” running for office, across the country and throughout the party.

10:05 AM

Twenty — no, eighteen more minutes for this policy round. It’s not looking good for the name change resolution — at least, not from ITQ’s perspective. A delegate suggests the chair should maybe try to hurry it up a little, with obvious crowd support, but the lines behind the mics continue to grow.

Question called — and it passes. Overwhelmingly.

“Did I leave out opposed again,” the chair wonders. Yes. Yes, she did, although as she notes, “at an NDP policy convention, if you make a mistake, they let you know.” Okay, seriously, does anyone out there think that forgetting to call for those opposed would slide by unmentioned at any party convention?

10:12 AM

And now, the clause dealing with representation from the prairie provinces. I think we’re halfway through the first motion at this point, but maybe it’s moving along at a slightly less glacial pace than it seems. Someone moves for it to be referred back to committee, and another delegate wants to know if this will mean Atlantic Canada loses two representatives. Sounds like an excellent question for the policy committee, actually, although the constitution expert person — I have no idea what her name is — says that there’s no instruction to do anything beyond what’s written in the motion, and the Atlantic Canadian delegate wants to add that to the directive to the committee.

10:16 AM

Okay, so basically, the Atlantic Canadian contingent wants to be represented as four separate provinces, since they don’t all think alike.

Hah, a delegate just made a Freudian slip in the midst of insisting that she’s not trying to “rag the puck” knowing that other delegate want to move onto other resolutions: something about a “subtle nam- — er, change” contained in the motion currently on the floor. Which is to refer the prairie/Atlantic representation motion back to committee, in case you’ve lost track.

Motion to refer carries. What happens if the floor vote is close enough that Sister Chair can’t eyeball the result? Is there an equivalent to on division?

Oh, and the main motion passes. Onto lucky number five! Actually, it’s lucky number six, and it’s so lucky — or non-contentious — that they manage to vote on it without a single speaker.

10:21 AM

We’ve made it to the second resolution, people! With — how long to go? Five minutes? Can someone move to extend debate? Because if not, I’m having trouble seeing how they’re going to make it to the name change resolution, and yes, I know how utterly sick you New Democrats are of hearing about it, and how we-the-media are focusing on minutaeia.

This resolution, by the way, elicits a motion to refer due to the proposal to change the visible minorities commission into a “racialized persons commission”, which carries.

10:25 AM

Ooh, someone proposes suspending the rules to add another five minutes of debate. I — don’t know if that will be enough, but let’s see if his motion passes. It — doesn’t. I guess that answers that question.

Yet another speaker – the constitutional expert — wants three more minutes put on the clock so that they can at least vote on the next resolution, which has something to do with the women’s commission. Sister Chair concurs, and it goes to debate. Oh, the excitement! So much excitement, in fact, that Sister Chair forgets that the motion has to be read, first — and it’s a long one, which is why another delegate suggests they dispense. Motion to dispense accepted, so no storytime.

Ooh, that didn’t go over well at all — another delegate just popped up to remind her that the same Sister Chair refused to dispense on the seven page monster motion earlier; the same rules should apply at the end of the debate as the beginning. She agrees, which means it’s the motion has to be read before it can be debated. “What do we do?” She asks, ostensibly off-mic, but then reverses herself, and says that they’re just going to have to dispense, even at the risk of being inconsistent.

10:29 AM

The twitterfeed has spoken:  ”New Democrats fail to debate name change at Fed Convention” — and yes, that’s it for the constitutional package, although Sister Chair reminds the floor that all resolutions — including the ones that didn’t make it to the floor — will go to Federal Council.

10:32 AM

And now, emergency resolutions!

10:33 AM

But first, points of order, including one from a highly cranky advocate of the visible minorities committee — that’s racialized persons to you, sir — who wants to know why his commission’s report hasn’t been presented on the floor. Turns out none of them have been presented on the floor, so neither he nor racialized persons nor anyone else should feel slighted. Or, alternately, the groups represented by every party commission should feel slighted. Take your pick.

10:36 AM

Is the floor totally emptying out, or are people sticking around for the emergency resolutions? Also, a delegate is now kvetching that he doesn’t have a copy of the fourth resolution — no, I have no idea what he’s talking about, because — of course — ITQ doesn’t have a copy, just like she doesn’t have a copy of any of the as-amended emergency resolutions, other than the package provided by National Newswatch. Way to use that new technology, New Democrats!

10:39 AM

Okay, what they’re actually dealing with now are the resolutions that were sent back to committee during previous debates — you remember, one on bilateral aid, another on a Decade of Action for indigenous peoples — which are being proposed in groups, which you’d think would speed things up, especially since there’s no longer a need to stall debate to avoid the name change resolution, but there are still speakers piping up with concerns and requests for clarification.

10:41 AM

Alright, now onto emergency motions, starting with a resolution on Omar Khadr, which is introduced by — hey, look, it’s Wayne Marsden, who thinks it’s shameful — shameful, brothers and sisters — that his rights have been so very violated. I’m betting unanimous vote. You?

Another delegate wants to add her support, but also point out that there are other Canadians “detained abroad”, and I use the quotes because she then goes into the case of Nathalie Morin, who is currently unable to leave Saudi Arabia due to the fact that she has children who are citizens — I think that’s the situation — which, with all due respect, doesn’t sound like exactly the same thing. Not that it isn’t equally worrying and worthy of attention, of course.

Yup, unanimous support — now, a motion on the BC salmon industry, introduced by Peter Julian. Hey, where were all these MPs during the policy debate?

10:47 AM

I should probably warn y’all that liveblogging during Layton’s speech is going to be light, since we’ll get the full text of it almost immediately, which means there’s not as much reason to — hey, there’s Peter Stoffer, speaking in support of the salmon fishery motion — anyway, not as much reason to cover every word, since people can read it for themselves at their leisure. I’ll add any thoughts that occur to me, of course, and I’m sure you’ll have lots to say in the comments.

10:49 AM

Salmon motion passes unanimously. Onward – and the NDP standing in solidarity with the people of Iran, thus once again debunking the oft-repeated canard that lefties have been silent on the situation there, and that only C/conservatives really care about human rights. Sorry, just wanted to point that out.

10:55 AM

Grrr. My last update disappeared into the ether — oh, WordPress, your autosave feature is often a virtue, but occasionally makes me want to punch you in the face — but there was, in fact, a dissenting delegate, who felt that the motion on Iran was incomplete, since it didn’t recognize the right of Iran to nuke up just like all those other Western countries: Washington and Israel, he’s talking to you. He calls for all-round disarming, gets scattered applause, and the motion goes through.

Also, the teasers Ian Capstick is doling out on the imminent Layton speech warn of Obamafication the likes of which will make last night look modest.

That’s it for the emergency resolutions, by the way — now, onto Orders of the Day, including the results of the leadership review, and then Jack hits the stage. Can you feel the excitement? CAN YOU?

Results of the leadership review: 89.2 percent voted no, which, as far as Jack is concerned, is a yes. Is that good? I mean, historically, for an NDP leader?

11:08 AM

Huh. I guess we’re getting a Jack tribute video first. Okay, as mentioned above, updates will be light-ish during the speech, although you never know when ITQ might simply be compelled to speak. Oh, look, there’s Peggy Nash — newly elected party president — introducing Jack Layton, in front of a giant green — yes, green — screen emblazoned with “TEAM LAYTON” in English and French, and a sea of Team Layton signs waving frantically in greeting. He’s wearing a green tie, but the signs are orange — and the blue from last night is conspicuously absent from the décor. There are some chants of “Jack, Jack, Jack,” to which he responds, somewhat unnecessarily, “Okay, we’ve got some practicing to do.” Way to return the love, Jack.

Okay, shutting up now. I’m sure I’ll have comments after the speech, and I look forward to reading what y’all have to say, too.

11:32 AM

Alright, it looks like Layton is getting close to the halfway point, at the very least: He’s moved on from his opening schtick, which involved all of those things that people told him “couldn’t be done”, like electing an MP in Alberta, and Quebec, and an NDP government in Nova Scotia — and he’s right. His party has elected an MP in Alberta and Quebec; I’m not sure who would have made that comment about Nova Scotia, though, since as far as ITQ can tell, pretty much everyone was predicting that the NDP would, in fact, win the next provincial election as far back as last year.  I know, I know – rhetorical flourish.

He’s now moved onto talking about “our Canada” — his, the party’s, ideally everyone’s Canada — which is a new Canada, built on new policies – not the old, outdated policies of the past. It’s a good speech, and there are a few interesting updates to the usual NDP boilerplate — cutting red tape for small business? Why, that’s downright 2006 Harperian! — but there’s not all that much, well, new. I’ll link to the text as soon as it goes up, presuming the NDP still believes in posting some material online.

11:40 AM

And that’s it — for the speech, that is, and for convention coverage too, I believe — there are a few events left on the agenda, including a Federal Council meeting, but I don’t think those are open to the media, or at least to television. Jack, by the way, is now on stage surrounded by his caucus — including his Alberta MP, Linda Duncan, resplendent in orange. It’s Team Layton, everyone! What is it about orange and green flashing panels that makes me think of a cheesy seventies gameshow?

Anyway, my bet is that despite the best efforts of the organizers, the main story coming out of the last day of the convention will be the failure to even hold a debate on changing the name. Anne McGrath takes the stage one more time to officially adjourn the proceedings, and the crowd starts to stream out. It’s hard to get a sense of the mood from here, of course, but it sounds like they’re glad to be done with it. Not in a bad way, of course.

UPDATE: As promised, here’s the full text of Layton’s speech. It’s not clear if it’s a transcript of what he actually said, or whether his opening patter really was that prepared; not often do “check against delivery” copies include the word “ya”, as in the following: “I’ve got to tell ya, I’ve had so much fun here in Halifax this weekend, that I’ll be humming Farewell to Nova Scotia/your sea-bound coast for months to come.”

11:44 AM

Oh, good, a closing panel on CPAC — featuring Kevin Lacey — again! — for the Conservatives, and Mike Savage and Don Davies for the Liberals and NDP, respectively. Hilariously, Savage and Davies are wearing what appears to be the exact same camel-coloured suit jackets; they should really put Lacey in the middle, and the other two would look like his backup dancers. Lacey, by the way, thinks that the whole convention showed that the party is still stuck in the past, what with not talking about crime at all; Mike Savage points out the non-appearance of the name change resolution, but Davies maintains that it was a smashing success with exhilarating speakers.

Martin Stringer brings up the issue of Afghanistan – which Layton mentioned in his speech – and puts the question to Lacey: Can Canadians trust Stephen Harper to pull out, as agreed? Lacey responds by reminding everyone that his party’s leader has been clear, unlike Michael Ignatieff, who supported torture and all that stuff. Way to squeeze in that talking point, Kevin!

Meanwhile, Savage wants to make a difference for Canadians, “like Liberals do.” He’s on the EI panel, too — poor guy isn’t getting much of a break this summer at all.

Don Davies then makes Martin Stringer correct him by claiming that, contrary to the other parties’ contention that this is just the same old NDP, at this convention, they passed a resolution to cut income tax for small businesses. Er, no, you didn’t, Stringer points out — that resolution never made it to the floor. Yes, but it will still go to Federal Council, Davies counters. Lacey also mocks the NDP for not even being able to hold a debate on the name change, and then takes a shot at the Nova Scotia NDP, and Darrell Dexter swanning into announce a policy that effectively raises costs for Nova Scotians. On that note, Stringer decides that we’ve heard just about enough from these guys, and pulls the plug on that segment.

He’s still going strong, but ITQ is going to sign off — if anything really dramatic happens, she’ll update this liveblog, but after spending the last three and a half hours glued to CPAC, she figures she deserves a break. Feel free to chatter on in the comments, of course — and again, I hope you’ve all enjoyed the coverage!

12:02 PM

Er, scratch that off-signing — okay, okay, FINE. I’ll liveblog the Layton scrum — but that’s it! I do have a life outside of this liveblog, you know. Anyway, Jack thinks the most important thing to come out of this convention is all that boffo advice on reaching out to voters, particularly using the internet. You know what would be a great start? Putting your policy resolutions online!

Another reporter points out that pretty much every motion presented was something that could have been found at “any previous NDP convention I’ve ever been to”. What, exactly, does he mean by “new”? According to Jack, there’s the very exciting, new idea of creating a new energy economy — without the tar sands — as well as helping small business through all those resolutions that didn’t actually make it to the floor. Also, helping seniors — that’s a priority for the NDP.

Why, specifically, will people vote for him? They want a government that’s on their side.

The Toronto Star’s Richard Brennan points out that he didn’t hear a single thing in that speech that he hasn’t heard “25 times already”. Okay, so it wasn’t just ITQ. Anyway, Jack — who is looking a little bit harried — feels differently.

Ooh, a pot question! That has to be a citizen journalist, right? Anyway, he asks why the NDP is “turning away” from the issue, which Jack denies — the NDP still supports decriminalization. “What about legalization?” Jack repeats himself: the NDP supports decriminalization.

Ahh, the name change. Jack points out that it’s not an entirely new discussion for the party — it’s come up before, just not in such a concrete way – and he doesn’t think it distracted from the policy changes on the floor.

He also really likes his “carnival of greed” line.

12:18 PM

Grr. Okay, another update lost to the mercurial internet gods  – blame WordPress  again. Very annoying, because it got very interesting at the end there. A surprisingly feisty — even hostile — press conference, which included a very interesting question from Julie Van Dusen on Ignatieff as torture-defending-tarsands-supporting-Iraq-war-endorser, which Jack actually deflected, in part — he disagrees with Ignatieff on the tarsands, but then shifts back to criticizing Stephen Harper. Interesting.

Anyway, that’s it for the scrum — which ended rather hurriedly, and apologies for missing the middle part, but I’m not going to rewind just to re-liveblog from where my missing update left off. I’m pretty sure you got the gist: Despite his cheery assertions to the contrary, the consensus amongst the journalists on the scene seems to be that there was nothing terribly new about what came out of this convention, and that his message to Canadians seems to be the same one he used last time: the NDP is “different”; they offer “new ideas”, but he  can’t really explain whether the party itself is headed in a new direction, or the country is just going to catch up as it carries on in the same one it’s always been taking.

That’s really it for ITQ now — sorry for the technical glitches, and once again, feel free to chat amongst yourselves in the comments. Happy Sunday to all!

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    Good morning. I just wanted to point out that you can actually get through an awful lot of referred motions very quickly on a Sunday morning for two good reasons: (i) most of the debate occurred before the referral, and (ii) Saturday night usually involves beer.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      So far, that seems to be the case — although it's fair to note that as yet, the resolutions "debated" so far have been so obviously destined for unanimous passage that you have to wonder whether there wouldn't be some way to streamline the votes.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/robert_mccl6309 Robert McClelland

        The policy debates at these conventions are a farce. As you point out, there's no debate and I doubt most of those in attendance even understand what they're voting on. Why none of the parties recognize that and move toward adopting a real policy convention conducted via the internet is beyond me.

        Do you know offhand whether or not Republican and Democrat conventions have these policy debates?

        • A reader

          Well now Robert, we had a really good policy debate/discussion at our riding association meeting on the resolutions, and it looks like a lot of the Ottawa Centre ones made it to the floor.

          It's not going to be a huge surprise if most people agree on most things, but want the wording fixed up a bit. I haven't been able to watch a LOT of the floor debates from my vantage point far away from the madding crowd, but it did seem that there were a few good go-arounds over that pipeline one.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/robert_mccl6309 Robert McClelland

            Well now Robert, we had a really good policy debate/discussion at our riding association meeting on the resolutions

            So what, all eight of you had a rousing debate?

  • http://threehundredeight.com Éric

    Did I miss the resolution on the name change? Or are they leaving that to the end to keep us on edge?

  • http://phantomobserver.com PhantomObserver

    I'd be curious as to the actual number of people attending these debates. One of the embarrassments of the Liberal policy convention that elected Dion was the absolute dearth (and abundance of cricket-chirping) of people attending policy workshops (since Montreal taverne-hopping was apparently a bigger priority); if there were more than 25 people in attendance you could already call Advantage: NDP.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      As far as I know, the policy workshops weren't covered by CPAC, and may not have been open to the media — these are the resolutions that have made it to the floor, which means there's a pretty good turnout, since it's the main event.

      • http://cameronholmstrom.blogspot.com Northwestern Lad

        I am on the floor of the convention right now and I from what I see, every table on the floor is full up, so I think it would be safe to say that it`s over 1000… As for the policy workshops, the two workshops I attended had at least 75 people in each

  • Anon

    Good morning, KadyITQ. You poor thing — Maclean's has you doing this on a Sunday morning? Isn't that cruel and unusual punishment, and do you believe that the EvilGiorno is behind it somehow?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/BCerInToronto BCerInToronto

    Funny thing about constitutional resolutions, though — they tend to inspire the most debate, since party members — of every party, this isn’t exclusive to the NDP — tend to get far more exercised about changes to party policy than the party’s, you know, policy.

    Constitutional stuff actually impacts how the party is run, it has real effect. Policy stuff gets passed and goes off into the clouds, never to be heard from again.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/WDM WDM

    Those hands aren't going up with the same vigor as yesterday.

    • http://phantomobserver.com PhantomObserver

      Well, it is Sunday morning after all — people may still be recovering from the Lower Deck, Split Crow, the LiquorDome, etc., etc. . . .

  • Craig O

    Thanks for providing the list of resolutions. Looks like pretty standard NDP fare… a strong push for workers and social programs, but with very little understanding of basic economics.

  • http://threehundredeight.com Éric

    Every party has screwed up the economy at one time or another. Does anyone really know how to handle it?

    • Craig O

      It's certainly not an exact science, but there are some basics that the NDP seem to be ignoring. The call for "buy Canadian" stood out for me – protectionism, especially on a wide scale, virtually never works, particularly during a recession. Then there are just a slew of measures that would put Canadian companies at competitive disadvantages to the rest of the world, hurt productivity, or discourage savings and investment (of which we already have too little of).

      Besides, I'm no huge fan of Harper, but he hasn't screwed up the economy, he just didn't respond well to the world-wide economic collapse. The Liberals ahead of him didn't screw up the economy either. They didn't do things perfectly, of course, but no faux pas on the scale of what the NDP is proposing. I'm not looking for a revolutionary or perfect form of economic policy from the NDP, but an understanding of some basic principles would go a long way for them.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

        …but an understanding of some basic principles would go a long way for [the (N)DP].

        …like force at least half of their membership to abandon them in "progressive" disgust?

  • James

    lol this is a new level of stupid. build up hype about a name change for a good two weeks prior to the convention, dont say anything to shut down the discussion going on about it, and then bury it on the paper so far down so as to not debate it, but rather spend literally 30 minutes discussing federal council seats and tabling of reports no one reads and minute word changes in the constitution no one cares about. This reeks of the national party liking the publicity they were getting, but never wanting the debate to ever get there and simply burying it so there was no hope it would ever be discussed. I suppose I cant blame them, probably good politics, but for a party that builds their whole brand around being "better" and more "of the people" than other parties, this is nonsense.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/robert_mccl6309 Robert McClelland

      The NDP didn't hype it. The media, both old and new, did.

      • James

        yes but they let it go on and on without saying anything about it. My point isnt so much that they shouldnt have been allowed to do it, just that it strikes me as disingenous and probably unwise for the party to not talk about an issue like that by wasting time talking about stuff that 95% of their membership couldnt care less about, as apose to the only story to generate Jack any coverage in about 2-3 months

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/BCerInToronto BCerInToronto

        The first I heard of the name change resolution was an interview with Paul Dewar. Which old or new media organization does Paul Dewar work for? And which media organizations wrote the several name-change related policy resolutions that were sent to the prioritization meeting?

        The media may have covered the story and given it some prominent play: and why not, its obviously compelling and was one of the more interesting resolutions on the books. But they didn't make it up. These resolutions came from the party itself, and prominent party members and MPs were discussing it.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/robert_mccl6309 Robert McClelland

          I stand corrected. Obviously Paul Dewar was responsible for all the hype.

          • catherine

            It wasn't just Dewar. Byers column, for example, where he made it clear he thought there was substantial overlap with the US Democrats and the name would reinforce that, is designed for media attention, as usually one does not think of the NDP as aligned with US Democrats. So the name change went along with a possible move to the middle and adopting some more right-leaning policies, like tax cuts for business, that is guaranteed to get media attention.

      • catherine

        The NDP did hype it. Michael Byers wrote in the MSM about it, and some MPs weighed in. Broadbent even talked about it (doesn't matter what side one argues on, just having high profile people talk about it is making sure it stays in the news.)

        It probably was a diversion strategy, since they had decided to leave Dana Larsen hanging until the last minute (otherwise he would have too much time to organize a revolt). Knowing that throwing Larsen out at the last minute would get some media attention, the name change was likely a diversion tactic.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

    Folks might be interested to know that during the recent NS election ( I know most of you missed it ) someone in
    the PC organization , operated by ex-Harper boy Kevin Lacey, thought it would be cute to post nude photos of
    Lenore Zann from one of her US cheapie movies. Imagine …. an actress in a nude scene.

    But ,of course, despite the sad lack of name change fun and games I'm sure the NDP remains open
    to all the helpful advice from conservative commenters. Everyone's just so nice that way.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      Actually, I'm pretty sure it was the provincial Liberals responsible for that particular dirty trick. Which, as we can see, worked spectacularly well.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

        As usual, you are correct.

        I suppose I could do the Liberals, Tories, same old …..

        But I'm above that. So I won't.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

          I've never heard of Kevin Lacey, but it seems like you owe him an apology. First you accuse him and his party of a dirty trick, and now you admit that you blamed the wrong guy and the wrong party.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

            Nothing to apologize for. His campaign ran the nastiest ( and most stupid ) election
            I've ever seen in this area. But I'll tell you say hi ! and send love and kisses.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

            As I said, I know nothing about the guy, so I'll just have take your word for it. No need to send love and kisses on my behalf.

          • Carrie D

            It was Dale Palmeter, Scott Brison's right hand (or left hand) man that did the Lenore Zann trick.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

    Oh, and about the copyright concerns… been there,done that …

    http://contrarian.ca/2009/08/12/tories-copyright-…

    • an online reader

      Ottawa June 12, 2008 " Long-overdue amendments to Canada’s Copyright Act introduced today strengthen Canada’s protection of intellectual property while giving families, schools and libraries more flexibility to make use of new technologies, says the Canadian Council of Chief Executives (CCCE). "

      Consultation over , directives issued merely waiting on rubber stamp of M.p.s

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

    Well – change from 1930's right through to 2009? Nothing changed. Same old, same old – bad, bad corporations, bad, bad tar sands, bad, bad CEO's, bad, bad Bay Street – bad, bad, bat but unions.

    Yawn

    • an online reader

      unions 2005 compared to 2000
      People's Republic of China ( 150,293,965 2005 ) ( 103,615,000 2000 ) + 45.05 % ;India 41,921,636 2002 30,400,000 2000 37.90 % ; Canada 4,441,000 2006 4,058,000 2000 + 9.44% ;United States 15,359,000 2006 16,258,000 2000 -5.53 % ; Germany 8,300,000 2007 8,600,000 2004 -3.49 % ;Japan 10,138,000 2005 11,426,000 2000 -11.27 % [ Saudi Arabia 0 No unions ; Palau N/A No unions ; Nauru N/A No unions ; Marshall Islands N/A No unions ; Maldives N/A No unions ; Federated States of Micronesia - Palikir N/A No unions ; Bhutan 0 No unions ]

  • catherine

    Along with other senior party members, Brad Lavigne did his best to hype the name change:

    Brad Lavigne, the national party director, said earlier in the weekend that the motion to begin name-change consultations was almost sure to make it to the convention floor where it could be debated by delegates.

    It was placed high on the list of resolutions by delegates, an indication that it was a great interest, said Mr. Lavigne.

    Had Lavigne hyped the 32 hour work week with no loss in current earnings for everyone, saying it would certainly be debated, that would have received a lot of media attention. This name change hoopla was managed by the party and the media went along with it.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      In defence of we-the-media, I think it may be difficult for party members — of all parties, to be clear, not just the NDP — to grasp the fact that there is very little news value, or even public interest, in the vast majority of resolutions put forward for debate at any convention, mostly because — with exceptions, and there are almost always a couple of exceptions — they tend to reflect positions that most of the rest of the world would have otherwise assumed was party policy, even if not explicitly mentioned in the party's policy book. Virtually every resolution debated at this particular convention falls into that category – which, again, isn't at all a bad thing, necessarily, but it also doesn't constitute news. That was the case at the last Liberal and Conservative policy conventions as well. I understand that it's an exercise that is important to party members, but that, on its own, doesn't make it terribly interesting to the rest of the world.

  • Alex

    The first time I saw Lenore Zann was at a dinner where she was delivering greetings on behalf of Premier Dexter. She proceeded to recite – in full voice – the poem "Ozymandias." It was slightly awkward, yet also kind of funny. She's definitely got a lot of energy. I'm sure Jack Mitchell would have been quite impressed.

  • scf

    who talks about the passage of resolution to “force companies to work in French in Quebec”, which he sees as a “great success”, as was a motion to transfer cultural funding to the province.

    The first is another abomination, a human rights abuse, attacking minorities in Quebec, once again. One more reason not to vote NDP.

    The second is sheer stupidity. There is nothing stopping the provincial government from spending all the money they like on culture. If they don't like the choices made by the feds, then they are free to use their own tax money and send it wherever they wish.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      Well, I relied on his wording there; the actual motion — at least, if it wasn't amended before it made it to the floor — wasn't quite so truculent. Here's the full text (and apologies for the wonky spacing; copypasting from the original document seems to be a bit hit and miss as far as the formatting goes):


      5-06-09 Strengthening the Protection of the French
      Language in Quebec Work Places
      BE IT RESOLVED THAT the New Democrat ic Par ty of Canada suppor t
      amendments to federal labour legislat ion so that :
      • Employees of Québec businesses under federal jur isdict ion have the
      same l inguist ic r ights as those who work for businesses governed by the
      Char ter of the French Language;
      • An employee has the r ight to car ry out his or her work act ivi t ies in
      French;
      • An employee has the r ight to receive in French any document f rom his or
      her employer and any decision concerning the appl icat ion of his or her
      col lect ive agreement ;
      • The employer must wr i te job and promot ion of fers in French;
      • The employer must publ ish i ts job of fers in French and in a simi lar way
      as i t publ ishes job of fers in any other language;
      • Any col lect ive agreement must be ent i rely wr i t ten in French; and
      BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT no employer may f i re, lay of f , demote or
      displace a member of i ts staf f solely because he or she only speaks French or
      has an insuf f icient knowledge of a language other than French or because he or
      she has demanded that a r ight provided by the Char ter of the French Language
      be respected; and
      BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT no employer may requi re for access to a job
      or posi t ion the knowledge of or a speci f ic level of knowledge of a language
      other than French unless the per formance of the work requi res such knowledge.

      • scf

        Thanks for the clarification. Not as bad as I thought. But still, an attack on minority rights, more of the same old Bill 101. I am still vehemently against it.

        It's fascinating how, once something has been around long enough (bill 101), people eventually come to believe it is normal and good.

        So now there is a generation of Quebecers who believe it is perfectly normal to legislate the language people use, and it's perfectly normal to fine people, not for what they write, but for the language they write it in, even when conducting their own business in the private sector.

        • Craig O

          Aren't these basically the same labour laws English-speaking provinces enforce, merely swapping English for French? If it's their business language, then there is the expectation that someone who speaks said language should be considered qualified unless the position requires explicit knowledge of another language to be adequately filled.

          From the looks of it, no one's saying a person can't use another language if both the employee and employer prefer it that way, but if the employee speaks only French, they have a right to work while using French – the same as I, in Ontario, cannot be excluded from a job because of an inability to speak another language besides English.

          • 8^)

            Huh?

            This is all just wrong…just plain incorrect..

            Wut?

          • scf

            There is no such law in Ontario or anywhere else in Canada. You are simply wrong. Quebec is the only province with Bill 101 or anything like it. Quebec is the only province that legislates the language used in the workplace.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

    Just a housekeeping/updating note: I've added a link to the full text of Layton's speech, but to save you from having to comb through the liveblog to find it, here it is again.

  • dillon

    How about the genius resolution forcing all businesses in Quebec to speak French. That should be enough to cause relocation of whatever businesses they have left.

  • Carson

    Does anyone know if the resolutions passed are posted anywhere?

  • Will

    marshall granz took up the whole convention.

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