Through the Looking-Glass, and What Jack Found There

by kadyomalley on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:30pm - 79 Comments

Through the Looking-Glass, and What Jack Found ThereYes, yes; ITQ is well aware that Colleague Wherry has gone with the Oz theme, but she prefers her literary allusions to have a Carrollian twist. Check back here at 2:45 or so for full liveblogging coverage of the pre-meeting scrum/photo-op, and then vicariously experience the glamourous life of the Hill journalist by hanging around aimlessly for the next hour or so as we wait for the closing press conference.

And yes, she’ll try to take pictures this time too.

2:33:10 PM
Well, with — just under twenty minutes to go til Jack Layton heads into the hallowed halls of Langevin to meet with destiny and/or the prime minister, ITQ is the only print-or-pixel journalist to join the stakeout so far, but the cameras are out in force. We’re on Wellington, at what I gather is actually the main entrance to the Department of Mysteries, although as far as I know, most of the senior denizens — up to and including the PM — tend to use the Metcalfe exit, since it’s not quite so rife with pedestrians, tourist and otherwise.

sealsareadorable

We’ve also been joined by a seal mascot — or, more accurately, an anti-seal mascot in a seal costume — who, with admirable initiative, is picketing the sidewalk in front of the media throng, complete with a sign imploring the PM to “stop the slaughter”. I wonder if protester mascots, like their sporting event cousins, are discouraged from speaking while — be-headed? He’s getting lots of honks, though. Unless those are for us, which I somehow doubt.

2:47:33 PM
Ooh, I wonder if Jack will stop to shake hands — or fins with the seal! You’d have to think that of all the party leaders, he’d be the most likely to secretly oppose — or even be agnostic to — the seal hunt, but for all those Atlantic Canadian seats — actual and aspirational — that he thinks it would cost him.

2:53:03 PM
Apparently, Anne McGrath will be joining Jack for a fourway with the PM and Giorno The Great and Terrible. (Yeah, I finally Baum’d up.)

And there he is! Stopping briefly to accost an unwitting pedestrian and flanked by an entourage of suspiciously Liberal researchy-looking guys carrying signs reading “Jack will do anything for a bigger office” and — damnit, I didn’t get the chance to read the other one, because the whole photo-op lasted approximately ninety seconds, and then he disappeared inside. Now I wish that we’d gotten a heads up on the anti-Jack! protest — we could’ve met them down on Queen Street and trailed along, listening to Jack make forced conversation the whole way.

2:57:36 PM
Okay, now that’s over. What next? Why, we wait to find out what happened inside, of course. Meet me back here in an hour for the presser.

3:23:14 PM
Yes, in case you were wondering, that *was* rather anticlimactic — the Grand Entrance, that is. I have to wonder if the presence of the miscreant crew of concerned Canadians/OLO summer interns might have discouraged any spontaneous chitchat with the assembled media.

And no, I didn’t manage to snap a pic, although I’m hoping *someone* did. That’s the trouble with liveblogging ** berrycamming — not quite enough arms.

Anyway, I’m now sitting outside the National Press Building, soaking up the sunshine (well, actually, the shade, but I’m appreciating the sunshine from a safe distance). I’ll keep you posted on any further shenanigans.

3:40:10 PM
And here comes Jack! No protesters this time — and no cameras either — but a contingent of staffers — and a beaming smile on his face. Hmm. So — the meeting ran for what, half an hour? Max? That seems — disproposing, as far as the possibility of striking some sort of diabolical deal to keep the government intact. I mean, it took Ignatieff three meetings over two *days*, and all he got was a blue ribbon panel.

Anyway, I’m assured that even though Jack is already in the building, the press conference is still scheduled to kick off at 4pm, which means a little more lolling out here on Wellington. What? I’m *monitoring the situation*!

3:55:52 PM
And we’re back! Well, actually, we’re now in the NPT, where the air cool and the tension palpable. Okay, that’s a bit of an exaggeration — there’s not much of a sense of anticipation, since everyone knows that Jack is going to take one of two tacks: he’s going to Make Parliament Work For Ordinary Kitchen-Table-Sitting Canadians, or this government is one up with which he will not put.

Fifteen second warning!

3:59:28 PM
And it’s showtime. Ooh, nice purple tie on Jack Layton. Okay, here we go — first, with the retroactive summer well-wishings, and then onto business.

He met with the PM today — yes, we know — and … Okay, it’s Making Parliament Work. Collect your winnings, bettors.

4:00:52 PM
The treatment of Canadians abroad — is it the new hot issue? Sounds like it is for Jack; he brought it up at his meeting, and asked the PM to make sure these sorts of unfortunate incidents don’t happen again. Also on the conversation list: EI — on which the two had “a genuine debate” — and job creation.

4:03:30 PM
Huh, in English — the opening bit was in French, which I probably should have mentioned — it was a *lively* debate, although that could be a translation issue. Otherwise, pretty much the same statement in both official languages.

4:04:21 PM
Questions! First up, Yves Malo, who wonders what he has to say about the Khadr situation; not surprisingly, he’s not impressed with the government’s decision to appeal the court ruling. Human rights are important, and there is no such thing as conditional citizenship.

As for his meeting with the PM, there was “no indication” that he plans to change his direction on the economy — or even that he understands “the scope of the situation”. Interesting — I wonder if he isn’t inadvertently playing into the Liberals’ hands by making EI his issue.

4:06:06 PM
Second question — the fabulous now-on-twitter Gloria Galloway — GlorGal — who wonders whether the PM reminded Jack about the huge honking deficit that has built up over the last year, and Jack disputes the notion that Canada is, in fact, coming out of the recession. Apparently, the two also had a little bit of a tussle over the infrastructure money, and whether it’s really making it down the pipes to the municipalities. That, Jack suggests, is what’s driving the unemployment rates up.

Next question — what about the Jack Tax Break that he was so pumped about during the convention? Some party members, she avers, are adamantly against the policy. What about caucus? He doesn’t quite answer the question, but re-touts the resolution that never made it to the floor, and hints that it will be debated in future. I see an opposition day motion!

4:09:15 PM
Helene Buzzetti wonders whether he demanded any concessions in exchange for NDP support on future confidence motions, and the answer, it seems, is no. He does get in a shot at the “rhetoric” from the Liberals, though.

As for the EI reform package, it seems to *him* that the Liberals and the Conservatives have accomplished pretty much nothing as far as the panel — the PM didn’t tell him that any progress had been made, at least — and the NDP already has a bill in the House that would address his concerns.

4:12:30 PM
Juliet O’Neil cuts to the chase: will the NDP vote in favour of a Liberal-introduced non-confidence motion? He won’t come right out and say yes — or no — but notes that his party would be the “least likely” to support this government, given his deep discontent with its direction.

Emmanuel Latraverse presses him on the issue — will he or won’t he? Layton plays coy, and throws it back in the lap of the Liberals, who — as he reminds us, not that we needed reminding — have frequently threatened to bring down the government, only to back away at the last second. Emmanuel wonders if there are any “potential compromises” he can see making with the prime minister, and Jack points to the government’s support for his party’s motion on senior citizens, but immediately adds that since then, they’ve done nothing to live up to it.

4:16:58 PM
BTW, it seems that Jack wants to Make Parliament Work for Canadians. Did I mention that?

He also has a good line on the Conservatives’ proposed EI reforms, which, as far as he can tell, would ‘increase the font size’ so unemployed workers would be more able to see how ineligible they are.

Elizabeth Thompson is gently grilling Layton on whether the PM showed any interest in finding a compromise with the NDP, and Jack finally comes right out and says no, he didn’t.

4:21:41 PM
SunMedia’s Althia Raj wants to know more about the feel at this meeting, as compared to last year: Apparently, it was similar in tone — and the last one ended with an election.

Oh, and it turns out that this meeting was arranged after a brief but poignant interleader encounter at the Calgary Stampede

4:23:37 PM
CP’s Joan Bryden wants to get back to that theoretical confidence vote, and I don’t think she’s going to appreciate Jack’s determined ambiguity on the issue. Unfortunately, that’s all we’re going to get on this one — the NDP will “assess the situation” if a motion does, indeed, come forward from the Liberals, which is an eventuality that he seems to think — or wants us to think he thinks — is remote at best.

What would it take to get him to support the government? A “fundamental change in direction” — particularly EI/job creation, seniors and credit card interest rates. He doesn’t seem terribly optimistic that there’s much chance of that happening — the prime minister “seems to be in denial” on the results of his stimulus package.

4:27:46 PM
An oddly internally conflicted minisoliloque from Layton, in which he suggests that, despite the lack of visible agreement from the prime minister, he may have started something that will eventually lead to action — just like when he told the same PM to make the residential schools apology “a priority”, which he eventually did, albeit ten months later — but then describes his current outlook as “not hopeful”. It’s as opaque a place as any to wrap up, and he does, leaving none of us any more the wiser as to what the future holds.

Great tie, though.

And with that, ITQ is signing off for the day. See y’all at Foreign Affairs tomorrow afternoon — if not before, that is.

UPDATE: The Globe has a picture of  Jack’s protester parade here.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

    "Beware the Jabberwock, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun. The frumious Bandersnatch!"

  • baldygirl

    You could also go with 'There and Back Again, A Hobbit's Tale.'

    There's a scary dragon in that story. I'm just sayin'.

    • Ted

      with a weak spot in the scales, just near the jugular. Just sayin'.

  • anonymoose

    you may be the only press person at the press conference as well.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

    The seal mascot is probably getting lots of honks because most ordinary Canadians don't share the odd seal-killing fetish that has seized most of our elected representatives.

    • Mike R

      Mmmm, seal!

    • Gawd

      yeah seals are so cute and cuddly it's annoying- off with their heads!

    • Mulletaur

      Huh, speak for yourself. I think the turning point for me was when McCartney went out and made a fool of himself. The things you see when you don't have your hakapik handy.

  • Riley Hennessey

    Is there any chance Jack Layton will come out and say "Look, we were just meeting as part of the parliamentary process. We talked about issues, and our summers, and wishes eachother the best in the coming session."

    Instead I imagine he'll rave on about how he held Harper's feet to the fire and oh, what a devil he is and sheesh, he keeps hearing scores and scores of canadians who now believe in the NDP and he's overwhelmed with the support he's gotten from coast to coast *huge fake smile on his face*.

  • http://farnwide.blogspot.com/ Steve V

    Looks like Jack finally got a good look at the NDP's finances. "Making Parliament works" in english means "we're broke and it's 90% certain we'll lose seats". Oh principles, I love em.

    • Greg

      Steve, you are getting as cynical as me. Normally, I would approve, but I think you have this one wrong.

    • RayK

      Making s%$t up, I love it.

      How about judging people's actions rather than making up fairy tales?

      Oh, whoops. You can't do that because it wouldn't work out so well for the Liberals.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/jasonhickman jasonhickman

      Steve, maybe so, but if you could explain how that makes the NDP different from just about any other party, including yours, or mine…

      • Steve V

        Jason, the point is they're no different. That's always my only point. Mount Purity is a NDP supporters fantasy.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/James_Shaver James_Shaver

          Jack will still vote against the Tories so your point is moot unless it's changed to be about the Liberal party… didn't Dion avoid an election for almost a year because the Liberals couldn't raise money? Now that you're back in the pocket of your corporate buddies you still can't stand up to the Tories. If you're going to bend over backward to please Mr. Harper at least get some concessions… Jack did it with Dithers, why can't Iggy do it with Harper (after all, they're pretty much ideological soul mates).

  • Floyd

    I must say I enjoy the seal mascot as a recent fixture near parliament hill (also spotted him/her outside 24 Sussex this morning on my way in to work).

    A few weeks ago, the seal was sporting a sign which read "Hug Me, Don't Club Me". Classic.

    • Charles

      Awesome. Wish ITQ had gotten pics of the seal.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/jasonhickman jasonhickman

        Myself, I just wish Michaelle Jean had been around, but that's the Newfoundlander in me talking…

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

        She did — she's just not been able to upload them til now! Check back in a few minutes.

        ETA: And it's up!

  • Terren

    Yay ''Lost references'' are awesome.

  • Vince Clortho

    He'll lecture someone, somewhere……in summertime (apologies for the gratitous 80's music reference)

  • Vince Clortho

    So it sounds like the Libs have their own "Little Shop" working away, given that they pestered Jack along the way. Oh boy this next election is going to be really high brow……(not)

  • Ross

    Here is a picture from the globe: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/harp…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wascally_Wabbit Wascally_Wabbit

    I'm more into nursery rhymes

    the Grand old Jack of York
    He had ten thousand press men (and women Kady)
    he marched them up to the top of the Hill
    and he marched then down again

    And when they were up
    they were up
    and when they were down
    they were down
    and when they were only halfway up
    They were neither Dipper nor Tory!

    • Greg

      They were neither Dipper nor Tory!

      Let me guess, they were Liberal?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wascally_Wabbit Wascally_Wabbit

        You didn't like that Greg?

        I'm sure I can come up with another rhyme – about Humpty Duffy!

    • Mulletaur

      Nice.

    • Gawd

      jack wants more stimulus so he can get it up again being halfway up and such

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

      Nice work — and it fits perfectly!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/JustinWordswrth JustinWordswrth

      Jack-be-dimble
      Jack-be-thick
      Jack jumped over his bailiwick

  • Mulletaur

    Looks like old weasel guts didn't get what he wanted, whatever that was. But I'll reserve judgement until I see how he and his colleagues vote in the House when the chips are down.

    • Dave

      Who's the weasel (singular)?

      • Mulletaur

        The one that goes 'pop'.

        • Mulletaur

          Sorry, Dave – I should have been clearer :

          Up and down our Parliament Hill
          In and Out's aren't legal
          That's to whom he sells his soul
          Pop ! goes the weasel

  • Greg

    Hint. It would be wiser to see how the Liberals are voting.

    • Mulletaur

      That much is now clear – no confidence. That puts Jack in a very difficult position. Today he tried to get a deal with Harper that would allow him to claim some sort of Pyrrhic victory that would keep the government in power – but he appears to have failed. We won't know for sure until we see how his caucus votes the first time there is a serious prospect of an election on the horizon. He may have cut a deal but is too ashamed to admit it.

      • tobyornottoby

        You know that he tried to get a deal? And you think maybe they cut one in a half hour meeting?

        • Mulletaur

          What makes you believe he didn't ? How long does it take to shake hands on a deal when all the details have already been worked out between political staffers ?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

        Mulletaur, I'm curious why you think it's clear that the Liberals will try to bring down the government this fall. Did you hear this through the grapevine? Seems to me that Ignatieff is hedging his bets, and he hasn't made a decision on this issue yet. Sure, he's getting his party prepared for a possible campaign, but there are many reasons why he might want to avoid a fall election (no clear advantage in the polls, lack of a compelling reason to force an election, etc.)

        • Mulletaur

          Sorry, CR, you're quite right – I had forgotten Wells' Second Rule of Politics. Silly me.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/jasonhickman jasonhickman

        "That much is now clear – no confidence."

        Well, I guess there's a first time for everything…

  • Dakota

    Is their mutual dislike of Ignatieff enough to overcome their mutual dislike of each other? I guess that depends on what is at stake and what the polls are showing.

    And where is Gill? Isn't he supposed to go up the hill with Jack? Or is Gill tired of tumbling after?

  • Bonnie N

    Well Kady
    I like the Looking Glass analogy – although I guess the only player for Alice is Liz but she is busy picking a winnable riding. Go ask Alice…

    Umm, kind of a non-event although Jack does love to talk on and on and on.Oh and I wondered when Jack would mention the Liberal vote supporting the government..

    Jump back from the rabbit hole Jack – sounds the same as this time last year.

    • tobyornottoby

      Not quite the same as last. In the meantime the Liberals have run around a bit and called it a "Caucus Race."

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

    Yup, the NDP can count on all their fingers and toes and come up with vote figures – how impressive.

    Kady, you sure make it fun – perhaps you should work with Mercer.

    Life is funny – I had a guy doing repairs on my old veranda this week and have decided to get rid of my kitchen table and have an island built and when Jack came on…..Jay was measuring and drawing and idea for that island – I kid you not.

    When Jack talked about seniors – Jay started to get a little angry. Apparently his grandmother lost a bundle in the income trust thing.

    Anyway, Jack – I'm getting an island because my kitchen table is just not functional enough. I'll get more storage space and it sure will look nice.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

      OT, I share your affection for kitchen islands. They're so much more functional and attractive than tables. Don't forget to hang on to your receipts for the tax rebate.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

    It's been one of those years (I live in an old house). I had to get a new roof, new chimney and repairs on the veranda where wood has rotted.

    I must say, the workman, Jay, is resourceful. He lost two jobs and was fed up with unions controlling his work life and has ventured on his own. He's got 4 kids to support so I thought I let him do all the work, except the chimney and he works hard.

    • jarrid

      That's great, but as CR says hang on to your receipts for the tax rebate.

  • Hanging Out

    I disagree with the idea raised by some that Jack is boxing himself in so he can't possibly end up supporting the government when Iggy finally gets around to some sort of non-confidence gambit. Remember, this is the man who lead the charge to defeat a Liberal motion that would have got our troops out combat in Afghanistan by now.

    You may recall that he did this plausibly by doing what third-and-beyond party leaders always do to avoid an unwanted election: they abstain from, or vote against, a motion to defeat the government by declaring it to be insufficiently condemnatory, and unworthy of their principled support.

    And so it goes. This being an option, I see no reason why it won't work for Jack in the fall regardless of whatever he said today or will say in coming weeks. Why should he want an election that works well with the Libs timetable? This is where he and Harper experience political synchronicity.

    • Calgary Junkie

      Yes, I've made the same sort of point. When Dion tabled a motion calling for the troops to leave in 2009, Jack voted AGAINST it., saying he wanted the troops returned now.

      So, if Iggy tables a motion calling for EI-360 on a TEMPORARY basis (until the recession ends), then Jack can again plausibly vote AGAINST Iggy, claiming he wants PERMANENT changes. In my mind, the exact wording of Iggy's motion is problematic all around.

  • Wayne

    I would not be surprised in the least if coming down the road there was something for ' seniors ' as this would be one leg of the stool Jack mentions several times and that Jack as he says might be able to support the gov't on hmmmm

    • Hanging Out

      I agree. In his presser, Jack said the word "seniors" just once too often for it not to be suspect as a setup.

  • jarrid

    It's nice to see at least one of the parties and the government talking and trying to make Parliament work. Hopefully there was a meaningful exchange beneath all that political posturing on both sides.

    • Hanging Out

      Good one jarrid!

  • Vince Clortho

    Yawn. jack Layton got on the news and in the papers. Good for him.

    The only interesting piece is where he said this process might lead somewhere. Problem is Harper will only move on specifics and not generalities. So unless Jack has a specific proposal that falls near to a Conservative target then it will be up to MI and his band of merry protesters, were they wearing pointy shoes and brightly coloured shirts???

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

    Just to let y'all know that I've added a link — much like this one — to the Reuters pic of the anti-Jack protesters.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

      Are those "anti-Jack protesters" Liberal staffers, by any chance?

    • RayK

      So, the Liberals are protesting "making deals" with Stephen Harper, are they? (Not that any such deal seems to have even been on the agenda, but hey…)

      I thought the Liberals were actually MAKING deals with the Conservatives these days, not protesting the concept.

      Is that irony just lost on them, or what?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

        Well, I've been told time and time again by a political pragmatist of neither the Liberal nor the NDP persuasion that in the great, vast universe that is Outside The Queensway, very few voters actually care about dealmaking and ultimatum-calling and downbacking by party leaders, so if that's true, it's unlikely anyone will pay enough attention to what went on today for it to matter during an election. Which depresses me for some reason.

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

        Well, I've been told time and time again by a political pragmatist of neither the Liberal nor the NDP persuasion that in the great, vast universe that is Outside The Queensway, very few voters actually care about dealmaking/ultimatumizing/downbacking by party leaders, so if that's true, it's unlikely anyone will pay enough attention to what went on today for it to matter during an election. Which depresses me for some reason.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

    "Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
    The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
    Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun.
    The frumious Bandersnatch!"

    Cue Jack Mitchell.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

      `Twas dippish, and the NDP
      Did phoot and flander in the House:
      All boonyon was the kitchenry,
      Where lefferzealions grouse.

      "Embrace the Harpiorn, young Jack!
      The lips that purse, the hair that melts!
      Embrace the John-John Bairds, that pack
      A pointy Schiegewelts!"

      He brushed his vorpal moustache up
      And practiced his tall, stalwart stance
      And unto Langevin did schlup
      His handbook for romance.

      Yet, as he broke into a run,
      The Harpion, half comatose,
      Came widdling down to Wellington,
      Defiant yet morose!

      One, two! One, two! Alas, askew
      The vorpal stache fell in his rage!
      He said adieu, and sans stache flew
      Back home his grief t' assuage.

      "Hast thou not wooed the Harpiorn?
      Then quit my door, poor weefer Jack!
      O smigdish morn! We are forlorn!' –
      Thus wept the party hack.

      `Twas dippish, and the NDP
      Did phoot and flander in the House:
      All boonyon was the kitchenry,
      Where lefferzealions grouse.

      • Mulletaur

        Another classic, Jack. Nice one.

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

        Bravo!
        Thank you.
        Royalty cheque in the mail.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

        Thanks, guys!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

    I don't recognize any of them, but my assumption was that they were Liberals — not staffers, but summer interns, maybe — or Young Liberals.

    • Jim

      Lamest protest of the year?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

        Well, that depends — I mean, I'll note that, as far as the print coverage I've seen so far, there are very few shots shots of Jack heading in for his meeting that don't also include panoramic protest signs in the background, which does make him look faintly ridiculous, particularly since nobody but ITQ seems to be mentioning that the entourage appears almost certainly Liberal-orchestrated. (Maybe ITQ is the only one who thinks that, but really, who else would bother?) At the same time, it was silly, I think, for some Libs to seize this as proof of imminent extraparliamentary dealcutting between the NDP and the Conservatives, especially when you consider that up until today, the last opposition leader to walk into Langevin to negotiate support for the government was, well, theirs.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

      Dear KadyITQ,

      Do we have an update on the guilty party of the London mailer or were you just joking?

      1) I am curious have you spoken to the former editor, those reporters and suspended publisher regarding the "pocketed wafer"?
      2) The alleged Liberal interns holding signs.

      Thank you, I can sleep well at night knowing your are on the case.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

        Dear CanadianSense,

        I said I'd try to find out who was responsible for the London mailing. As yet, I haven't. If and when I find something out, I'll post about it.

        1) None of them are talking to anyone about the apology, the events that led up to it or what happened afterwards.

        2) I wasn't able to speak to them, as they were chased off by an NDP staffer and vanished before I'd even hit update on the liveblog. I should note that having interns — or Young Liberals, or local supporters, even — take to the streets to harangue an opponent is not unprecedented; you remember, I'm sure, the Oily Brigade. (ITQ still has her commemorative t-shirt.)

        You're welcome,

        KadyITQ

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

          Dear KadyITQ,

          Thank you for your determination and persistence in uncovering those "Gems".

          I am shocked a NDP staffer would chase away some young Canadians participating in our democracy and Visual Arts. Were they not on public property?

          Are those thugs the same NDP staffers who hogged those mics so the name change could not make it on the floor?

          Thank you for you quick response to those questions.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

            Dear CanadianSense,

            Oh, gosh, I should have been more clear in my description of what happened: I don't believe that the NDP staffer in question was attempting to drive off the protesters, but was simply trying to get a closer look at their signs, and perhaps exchange contact information in hopes of establishing a dialogue in future. The protesters, alas, did not appear to be interested in conversing; hence, their abrupt departure from the scene.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

            It's too bad nobody recognizes them. They must have been instructed to flee the scene at the first sign of trouble or pointed questions.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

            Well, if they *were* interns, that's not surprising — most staffers have trouble recognizing their own interns, let alone those from some other office.

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