Harper's Nine

by kadyomalley on Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:19am - 78 Comments

THE MOST IMPORTANT UPDATE OF ALL: Confirmed, finally — the nine new senators:

  • Claude Carignan
  • Jacques Demers
  • Doug Finley
  • Carolyn Stewart-Olsen
  • Don Plett
  • Judith Seidman
  • Linda (Frum) Sokolowski
  • Kelvin Ogilvie
  • Dennis Patterson

Official PMO bios available here.

So, according to Stephen Taylor’s secret inside sources, the latest round of Senate appointments could be announced as early as 1pm today — although that could just be a cruel prank by a puckish PMO that has no intention of breaking with tradition, and will instead keep us hanging and wondering and pestering an increasingly surly Doug Finley with phone calls until sometime next week. What? I’m just saying there’s a reason why that 4:57-p.m-on-the-Friday-before-a-long-weekend timeslot is such a cliché.

This is, alas, one of those waiting games that really doesn’t lend itself terribly well to ITQ’s style of breaking news coverage, what with there being no formal ceremony — it’s not like the lucky nine have to head over to Rideau Hall to be sworn in by the Governor General — but that’s not going to stop her from liveblogging the latest developments in this post, which the rest of y’all can feel free to use as an open thread.

To get you started, a few links to the coverage so far:

CanWest News: Harper poised to make 8 Senate appointments
The Globe and Mail: Harper to appoint close Tory backers to Senate
The Canadian Press: Published reports say Harper ready to fill up to nine Senate vacancies
CBC.ca: Harper Senate appointments coming: sources
Winnipeg Free Press: He united the right, now he’s in the Senate

Unlike cabinet shuffle speculation — a guilty pleasure in which we haven’t gotten a chance to indulge in far too long, incidentally — everyone seem to be hearing the same three names from their respective sources: Doug Finley, Don Plett, Carolyn Stewart-Olsen. CanWest’s David Akin – who, ITQ should point out, was first out of the gate with the leaked names — reports that Bob Runciman is likely to get the second Ontario spot — after Finley, of course — and also lists  as defeated Conservative premier Rodney MacDonald as the favourite for the Nova Scotia seat, and Conservative organizer Judith Seidman for one of the two Quebec slots.

That’s all for now, but be sure to check back for updates throughout the day.

12:01 PM

Okay, now ITQ is nonplussed — via twitter, Taylor now says that the announcement could come as early as, well, now-ish, since the PM has an event in Quebec. Which sort of makes her go “Huh?” since prime ministers very rarely announce senate appointments at an event, especially before a media availability, but whatever. Also, he’s up against Manitoba premier Gary Doer possibly announcing his resignation, and wow, this day is totally getting interesting, isn’t it?

Oh, and apparently, former NHL coach Jacques Demers will be one of the two Quebec senators.

Oh, also, via Susan Delacourt, we find out that CBC is reporting that the New Kory Teneycke will be … drum roll .. John Williamson, formerly of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, and occasional National Post columnist, who has had some less than flattering things to say about the Conservatives’ recent stimulus splurgeathon, which could make for some awkward silences at morning tactics. On the plus side, if it’s true, he won’t be writing any more of them, at least. Not for publication, anyway.

Also, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t already hate ITQ, so that’s always nice, although really, can we spare a thought for poor Jason Lietaer? How often is he going to be That Guy — the one named by the Globe as the odds on favourite to take over, only to wind up not getting the job after all? Then again, for all ITQ knows, he may not even want it.

Yeah, yeah. Further bulletins as events warrant.

12:14 PM

Yup, Gary Doer is stepping down — and no, he’s not going to the Senate, he says. ITQ is sure that Don Plett is relieved to hear that, what with there being only one Manitoba seat currently up for grabs.

12:39 PM

Susan Delacourt worries that John Williamson may have to abandon all his friends in the fourth estate once he steps over the threshold at Langevin. ITQ hopes that’s not true — but, like Susan, wishes him the very best.

Meanwhile, on the Senate speculation front, Colleague Wherry explores the unpleasant matter of the bill.

12:51 PM

Okay, so it looks like the PM is not going to announce his new senate picks at his Quebec event, although he will, as it turns out, defend his right to do so, and gripe about those nasty Liberals holding up his legislation.

12:57 PM

Huh – CTV is now reporting that the Senate announcement will come out by midday Friday. That’s — a really, really long time from now, you guys. ITQ may have to put this liveblog on hiatus if it doesn’t show up in the next few hours.

1:01 PM

From Colleague Madan, via tweet:Tory MPP Bob Runciman is in his Brockville-area riding today; his staff say they are unaware of possible Senate job.

1:24 PM

Oh, fine, PMO Press Office. I’ll grudgingly admit it is at least a little bit funny to put out totally non-Senate-related press releases just as we’re all huddled over our berries waiting for the Big One to arrive. Sadistic, but funny.

1:31 PM

I know it’s not their intention, but the Liberal rapid response team is actually sort of endearing Jacques Demers to me with clips like this one:

The former coach of the Montreal Canadiens, Jacques Demers, said he’s concerned by the Harper government’s cutbacks to literacy programs.  Jacques Demers, who has level 2 literacy, explained his concern as part of a speech to participants in a forum on literacy yesterday in Grande-Digue. “When I learned that they had cut funds to support literacy, I was very disappointed,” Mr. Demers said. (L’Acadie Nouvelle, Sept 16, 2008)

1:36 PM
You know, if it turns out that CTV News is right, and we’re not going to get a Senate appointment until tomorrow, it will leave ITQ once again officially and completely boggled by PMO communications tactics. I mean, why leak the names on Wednesday night and go through two days of speculation in the press and the inevitable condemnation courtesy of the usual suspects, and then announce it just in time for frothy Saturday editorials about what an outrage it is? It just doesn’t seem to make, well, sense.

Then again, maybe CTV News is wrong.

1:43 PM

Gosh, look at the time.

1:49 PM

OH! Maybe Taylor’s source meant 1:30 p.m. Alberta time! That would be — what, 3:30 p.m. here in Ontario? I’m so bad with time zones, y’all.

1:56 PM

Another theory, suggested by a reader via email: The announcement was, indeed, supposed to come out today, but there was a last-minute glitch with one of the appointees — hopefully not Jacques Demers, who has apparently already confirmed that he’ll be heading to the Red Chamber in a statement posted the website of his soon to be former appointment, which would be just embarrassing for all concerned if it didn’t go through — which pushed the whole thing off until Friday. Sound plausible?

2:05 PM

Yowza – David Akin is twittering the highlights of the much anticipated and then totally forgotten about PMO shuffle:

First, the biggest news, as far as ITQ can see: Jenni Byrne heads to the party as director of political operations, with Jasmine Igneski to fill her shoes as head of Issues Management. Also of note: Darrell Reid takes over Regional Affairs — which used to be a subsidiary of Issues Management, so I guess they’re splitting it up — and Andrew Wallace will become Director of Stakeholder Management, replacing Mark Cameron, who leaves PMO for parts as yet unknown. Oh, and Dimitri Soudas becomes chief spokesperson, and John Williamson will play more of a background role.

Forget the Senate. This is huge.

2:28 PM

Alright, for anyone interested in chattering about the PMO shuffle, there’s a fresh post with a pristine thread. The rest of us can continue the increasingly futile-seeming vigil right here. Not that I’m bitter or anything.

2:39 PM

Oh, jeepers. If CTV is right, the Senate appointments will come out right in the middle of the emergency health committee meeting on H1N1.

3:11 PM

No, we still don’t know what’s going on. On the plus side, this would be so much worse on television. If nothing breaks in the next — oh, let’s say twenty minutes or so — ITQ is going to hand over liveblogging duty to Colleague Gohier, so she can do something crazy like, I don’t know, eat lunch. Don’t worry, you’ll be in good hands, and she won’t dawdle.

3:19 PM

I swear, it’s like they WAITED for me to almost walk out the door, and then bam — the list drops. Well, for some people, that is — ITQ hasn’t gotten her copy yet, but here, courtesy of David Akin, are the lucky nine:

Claude Carignan, Jacques Demers, Doug Finley, Carolyn Stewart-Olsen, Don Plett, Judith Siedman, Linda (Frum) Sokolowski, Kelvin Ogilvie, Dennis Patterson

(Note: I’ve added an update to the top of this post too.)

Huh. So — no Bob Runciman, no Brooke Taylor or Rodney MacDonald. Interesting.

And with that, ITQ is going to sneak away briefly, since she’s been staring at this screen for far too long. Don’t worry, she’ll be back.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/WDM WDM

    I'm sticking with my Brooke Taylor pick for the NS seat

  • Terren

    Pathetic.
    What's next, Ian Brodie and guy Giorno?

  • Dave

    Oily the Splot!

  • http://liberalvideodepot.blogspot.com Ted

    Sorry, that graphic didn't work. You'll have to go here to see it: http://liberalvideodepot.blogspot.com/2009/08/sen…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/M_A_N M_A_N

    There was a time when the senate patronage bothered me.

    Frankly, I can't be bothered to care anymore. Everybody wants to reform the senate…soon. Really, we mean soon.

  • E.B.

    Just out of curiousity, can an outgoing Prime Minister appoint himself to the Senate?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

      I believe he'd have to resign his position as Prime Minister before the appointment became official, but as soon as he did that, then it wouldn't be a request from the Prime Minister to the GG, so wouldn't be official.

      • Old School Liberal

        He can Sign his own agreement to quit after 10 years and seek election if legislation is passed.

        Shake his own hand.

        Pat himself on the back and listen to himself congratulate himself.

        Tell himself that this is all for the good.

        … all just like a Tory caucus meeting.

        • Mike R

          I don't for a moment believe anyone, especially the current PM would do it, but there is no reason he would have to resign as PM in order to take a Senate appointment. Both Abbot and Bowell served as Prime Minister while leading the government from the Senate. It would be an unusual step these days, but not constitutionally impossible.

      • Dave

        He'd have to resign as MP, but the PM has also been a sitting Senator. Admittedly, it's been a while.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Geiseric Geiseric

    Jasmine MacDonnell

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/WDM WDM

    Woah! Hopefully all is well with Doer and this is just a walking off into the sunset retirement if true.

  • Riley Hennessey

    Gary Doer stepping down? Where did you hear this information? Is this a rumour?

    • Torybaiter

      Doer will run as a Liberal in the next federal election. Probably against Malloway. Gary Doer and Duff Roblin stand as the two best liberal premiers Manitoba ever had. Party designation in Manitoba? Not always important.

  • http://liblogs.ca Jason cherniak

    One of the seats being filled has been held by a Jewish Montrealler for some time. I'm shocked if Harper doesn't plan to follow that tradition.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

      Impostor! The real Cherniak spells his last name with a capital 'C'.

    • Mike R

      That would be Judith Seidman.

  • Anon

    Just as an aside — would it be possible to zero out the Senators' salaries through a Ways & Means motion? I mean, the Senate can't block money bills, right?

    • KOL

      If I'm not mistaken, the Senate cannot initiate expenditures or raise taxes but it can amend or reject any bill.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

    O/T sort of – Kady, the photo of Harper you have here looks like Frank Luntz, GOP/conservative slime pollster.

    Right photo or separated at birth?

  • Hanging Out

    What about Ryan Sparrow?

    If he's good enough for a blue ribbon panel, surely he is Senate material.

  • Old School Liberal

    Nine new senate appoints, you say? All beholden to the one that binds them all, perhaps?

    [youtube xgXYFkgWfw0&feature=fvw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgXYFkgWfw0&fe... youtube]

    • http://liberalvideodepot.blogspot.com Ted

      "They were once men. Great kings of men. Then Sauron the Deceiver gave to them nine rings of power. Blinded by their greed, they took them without question. One by one, fallen into darkness. Now they are slaves to his will. They are the Nazgul. Ring Wraiths. Neither living nor dead. At all times they feel the presences of the ring, drawn to the power of The One. They will never stop hunting you."

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/WDM WDM

    The Demers appointment actually intrigues me. I think ideally, the Senate should have a different make-up than the house. Certainly career politicians have something to offer, but those who've been outside the realm of politics have some unqiue perspectives as well. People who come in from the outside (sometimes to the rolling of many eyes) and tackle a single issue or two wind up being very effective in the Upper Chamber. I'm pretty sure what the bag men (and women) will contribue, but Demers will be interesting to watch IMO.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

      And if he can get the defense to stand up at the blue line and keep the team from taking any stupid penalties they could win the cup.

    • Jason

      I wonder if that is why he was appointed at the same time as so many Harper cronies. 'Look! Over there! Shiny things!'

      • Mike R

        Like Frank Mahovlich, or Tommy Banks? Possible, although he is an interesting character in his own right. And perhaps he'll help the PM finish his book.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/TwoYen TwoYen

    I agree. the Demers appointment, if true, is an excellent choice. Big M has been a very successful Senator and will enjoy having a soulmate.

    • http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com bigcitylib

      Actually, Demers is one of my hockey heros and (from everything I've seen of him) a really sweet guy to boot. I'm glad to see him in the upper chamber.

  • curious

    how bout Wajid Khan for the senate?

  • http://phantomobserver.com PhantomObserver

    I suppose the PM wants someone who can rap Ken Dryden's knuckles if he gets out of line during committee.

  • Riley Hennessey

    I noticed your list has Diane Finley, instead of Doug Finley…. on purpose or as a joke?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/TwoYen TwoYen

    Kady,
    Surely you mean Doug Finlay, unless Diane has resigned her seat in the Commons, which I doubt.

    • http://www2.macleans.ca/category/blogs/national/inside-the-queensway/ Kady O'Malley

      I was just making sure you were paying attention! Actually, we’ve only gotten the D so far, so it could be Diane — but probably not. Fixed! And thank you all for still reading!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

      One is as bad as the other

  • Dee

    So, I take it the Conservatives aren't appointing Claude Carignan, the Canadian astrophysicist, but some other political hack named Claude? I suppose the former choice would be a pretty radical switch for the Conservatives since they seem to be quite opposed to appointing anyone who's an independent thinker with a solid intellect (with the possible exceptions of Jacques Demers and Linda (Frum) Sokolowski).

    • Mike R

      Like Dr. Kelvin Ogilvie?

      • Dee

        Yep, just noticed him. Right you are.

        Well, it's a start for Harper I suppose: 1 former NHL hockey coach, 1 esteemed scientist, 1 National Post journalist, 2 reputable public servants and 4 political hacks. Not exactly a group full of excellence but this is the level of mediocrity we have to settle for with the Conservatives running the show.

        • Mike R

          Well, considering the low bar established by previous governments, he's doing pretty well. The Senate has been a haven for political freinds of the government since about 1867, so it is hardly shocking that some have made it into this round of appointments. But the fact someone is a loyal party member doesn't mean they can't be an asset to the country – as Marjorie LeBreton demonstrates. There are a number of very talented and public spirited people in this round of appointments who have the potential to add a lot to the government. The fact some of them have also been active in party politics shouldn't be a reason to denigrate their abilities.

          • Dee

            I agree that the Senate bar has been set pretty low from SOME past appointments (Liberal and Conservative). But I would argue that this particular Senator list isn't exactly overflowing with bios demonstrating excellence and achievement, particularly the political operative appointees. It reminds me of the Conservative cabinet: a preponderance of yes-men and yes-women but not a lot of individual, independent stars.

            I wouldn't deny that the political operatives being put in the Senate are talented and public-spirited but given the toxic partisan environment that the Conservatives have encouraged in recent years, I suspect they won't be doing a lot of independent thinking in their Senate work. Given that the Senate is supposed to be the chamber of sober second thought, Canada needs Senators that are willing to stand up to the current PMO.

          • Mike R

            Well, "standing up to the PMO" might seem like a good idea, if you don't like what the government is doing. If you do, as I, and presumably these Senators do, since they've agreed (I gather) to sit as Conservatives that would hardly be a virtue. I don't recall the Liberals in the Senate ever "standing up" to anything proposed by any Liberal government – do you? So party discipline and loyalty are hardly a new invention of this government. That doesn't mean they won't work in caucus and otherwise to improve government legislation. The fact they have supported the government doesn't mean they are yes-men and women – but it may indicate they know the importance of both loyalty and discipline.

          • Dee

            By "standing up to the PMO" I mean being more than a simple yes-man or yes-woman to what the PMO wants. It's hard not to believe at least 4 of today's appointees will be of this ilk. If you want Liberal counter-examples, I suspect Senators Romeo Dallaire and Larry Campbell would be nobody's yes-men.

            There's a fine line between what is purported to be "party discipline and loyalty" and what many observers have identified as the Conservative PMO's over-the-top control of it's caucus (more than any previous government, which is saying something). A reasonable amount of dissent and discussion should be allowed, otherwise you are stifling innovation and creative solutions to problems. And this is part of the reason why, I believe, the Conservative cabinet and government appears to the majority of Canadians to be so lack-lustre and mediocre.

          • Dee

            And one more point… Here is an example of a couple of Conservative MPs going outside "party discipline and loyalty" to stand up against something that is wrong:
            http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/08/27/i-could-get-my…

            It's about time.

          • Mike R

            I think that is simply an example of MPs doing what they should do – but neither is an example of anyone going against either loyalty or discipline. Voting against a budget, as Bill Casey did, is an example of the latter. Simply expressing an opinion on public policy isn't a breach of anything – unless the party has agreed to take a different stand. In this case I doubt anyone, other than the people who make a living from mining asbestos, will mind.

            By the way, I've never heard Larry Campbell do anything but toe the Liberal line. I doubt he's capable of doing anything but. That is how he got his current job, of course.

          • Dee

            Re: "Simply expressing an opinion on public policy isn't a breach of anything – unless the party has agreed to take a different stand. In this case I doubt anyone, other than the people who make a living from mining asbestos, will mind."

            Yeah, I guess that's why Dona Cadman is quoted as saying: "I could get myself in a lot of trouble for this."

            And you clearly haven't lived in Vancouver given your inaccurate assessment of Larry Campbell.

          • Mike R

            Well, I do live in (or near) Vancouver. And my assessment of Larry Campbell is that he is an egotistical boor with a short attention span. Others may characterize him as a "colourful character" on the same evidence, I suppose. But he has always been a Liberal party loyalist and his efforts to help them in the 2004 campaign were amply rewarded by his elevation to the Senate. I have never heard him so much as utter a peep of dissent from any Liberal policy, no matter how wide the swings from Martin to Dion and back to Ignatieff. Not that he's unique in that. The Senate has always been a "taskless thanks". He seems to fit in well with all previous Liberal appointments. My own point is simply that the recent Tory appointments are not unique in their reward of party loyalty, nor is that necessarily a flaw in the character of the people who have been appointed.

          • Dee

            Well, we clearly disagree about Larry Campbell's character. And we seem to agree about Senate appointments sometimes being about party loyalty. However, we probably disagree about the quality of the 4 political operatives that were appointed by the Conservatives in this latest Senate round. 1 out of 3 ain't bad, eh?

          • Mike R

            Well, actually, we may not even disagree about the quality of some of the political operatives – although I do heartily approve of Judith Seidman's appointment. The more old PC party members in the Senate the better. And while Doug Finley is unlikely to rock the boat publicly, he isn't known to be a shrinking violet as far as expressing his opinions, so classifing him as a "yes-man" is perhaps as inaccurate as it is unkind.

  • Ted

    Linda Frum?

    Well, she has some good communications skills: not even appointed but only announced and her brief Wikipedia entry has her already in the Red Chamber.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless

      I thought that kind of quick edit was impossible under the new Wiki editing rules. Oh well.

      • Ted

        The new editing rules were just announced this week for living people.

        So either it hasn't been implemented fully yet or the assigned editor for Linda Frum has been closing monitoring any activity on her entry and was all ready to quickly approve someone's edit.

  • Mulletaur

    You may have overlooked Don Martin's latest column : <a href="http://www.calgaryherald.com/columnists/patronage+sinks+lows/1934656/story.html">PM's patronage sinks to new lows.

  • Mulletaur

    Oops. <a href="http://www.calgaryherald.com/columnists/patronage+sinks+lows/1934656/story.html">PM's patronage sinks to new lows I guess the tags don't like periods at the end.

  • Mulletaur

    Huh. Intense Debate, pfui.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

      Missing a () at the end. It's hard sometimes putting html in these comment windows. One trick is to put in a space then cursor back and paste link in to space or else it will paste over things you don't want it to.

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

      Missing a < /a > (spaces added) at the end. It's hard sometimes putting html in these comment windows. One trick is to put in a space then cursor back and paste link in to space or else it will paste over things you don't want it to.

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

      Missing a &lt; /a &gt; (spaces added) at the end. It's hard sometimes putting html in these comment windows. One trick is to put in a space then cursor back and paste link in to space or else it will paste over things you don't want it to.
      ie;
      <a href="http://www.calgaryherald.com/columnists/patronage+sinks+lows/1934656/story.html">PM's patronage sinks to new lows

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

      Missing a &lt; /a &gt; (spaces added) at the end. It's hard sometimes putting html in these comment windows. One trick is to put in a space then cursor back and paste link in to space or else it will paste over things you don't want it to.

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

      Missing a < /a > (spaces added) at the end. It's hard sometimes putting html in these comment windows. One trick is to put in a space then cursor back and paste link in to space or else it will paste over things you don't want it to.

      • Mulletaur

        I had them in there, but this bloody commenting software ate them, then belched.

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