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	<title>Comments on: UPDATED: EKOS Weekly &#8211; Well, it had to happen eventually: A perfect tie</title>
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		<title>By: KadyRocks</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-2/#comment-163525</link>
		<dc:creator>KadyRocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect to margins of error, I ran the Liberal advances/retreats through a statistical model computing odds ratios that anything is, in fact, changing in the provinces.  While the national numbers give 6.6:1 odds that something non-statistical is happening (here:  Liberals gain), the provinces/regions break down as follows:
B.C.:  3.6:1 odds that the Liberals are down
Alberta:  10:1 odds Liberals up
Saskitoba:  5:1 odds Liberals down (and 5:1 odds that the NDP are up)
Ontario:  9:1 odds Liberals up
Qu&#233;bec:  12:1 odds Liberals up
Altantica:  11:1 odds Liberals down

...of course, for those statisticians in the audience, those are without post-hoc corrections, so they&#039;re only accurate one-at-a-time, not all together.  :)

P.S.  Way to go on coining &quot;Saskitoba&quot;!  I very much like it!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to margins of error, I ran the Liberal advances/retreats through a statistical model computing odds ratios that anything is, in fact, changing in the provinces.  While the national numbers give 6.6:1 odds that something non-statistical is happening (here:  Liberals gain), the provinces/regions break down as follows:<br />
B.C.:  3.6:1 odds that the Liberals are down<br />
Alberta:  10:1 odds Liberals up<br />
Saskitoba:  5:1 odds Liberals down (and 5:1 odds that the NDP are up)<br />
Ontario:  9:1 odds Liberals up<br />
Qu&eacute;bec:  12:1 odds Liberals up<br />
Altantica:  11:1 odds Liberals down</p>
<p>&#8230;of course, for those statisticians in the audience, those are without post-hoc corrections, so they&#039;re only accurate one-at-a-time, not all together.  :)</p>
<p>P.S.  Way to go on coining &quot;Saskitoba&quot;!  I very much like it!  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Craig O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, alright, I&#039;ll be explicit... (mostly because I feel dan in van&#039;s comment is unwarranted)

I mostly find it interesting that amongst university grads, there&#039;s a 10-point jump in voting for Liberals vs. those without a university-level education. All other parties are down - it&#039;s not even a left vs. right thing, the NDP and Greens fall significantly in that group as well.

There&#039;s the obvious potential link that those who are informed and intelligent are more likely to vote Liberal, but I&#039;m more interested in other correlations - with education often comes wealth. Yet, the Conservative economic plans - drop in GST, the renovation tax rebate, TFSA etc - tend to benefit those with disposable income. One would assume the educated, who are more wealthy, would prefer a party whose plans help them directly, yet they don&#039;t.

As for age, real IQ increases each generation, so the elderly, to put it bluntly, are stupider than their children and grandchildren. Thanks to the internet (and their lack of internet or new-media savvy), they may not be better informed either - their only advantage is experience, which may not be overly relevant in an ever-changing world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, alright, I&#039;ll be explicit&#8230; (mostly because I feel dan in van&#039;s comment is unwarranted)</p>
<p>I mostly find it interesting that amongst university grads, there&#039;s a 10-point jump in voting for Liberals vs. those without a university-level education. All other parties are down &#8211; it&#039;s not even a left vs. right thing, the NDP and Greens fall significantly in that group as well.</p>
<p>There&#039;s the obvious potential link that those who are informed and intelligent are more likely to vote Liberal, but I&#039;m more interested in other correlations &#8211; with education often comes wealth. Yet, the Conservative economic plans &#8211; drop in GST, the renovation tax rebate, TFSA etc &#8211; tend to benefit those with disposable income. One would assume the educated, who are more wealthy, would prefer a party whose plans help them directly, yet they don&#039;t.</p>
<p>As for age, real IQ increases each generation, so the elderly, to put it bluntly, are stupider than their children and grandchildren. Thanks to the internet (and their lack of internet or new-media savvy), they may not be better informed either &#8211; their only advantage is experience, which may not be overly relevant in an ever-changing world.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed_Sweeney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed_Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the MoE should be considered 13.4 because you have to add the error from the previous poll if you are comparing the two (assuming the BC MoE number was the same 6.7 on the previous poll).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the MoE should be considered 13.4 because you have to add the error from the previous poll if you are comparing the two (assuming the BC MoE number was the same 6.7 on the previous poll).</p>
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		<title>By: Mannt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mannt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries. Did you notice my spelling mistake -- although not so interesting as PMO&#039;s, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries. Did you notice my spelling mistake &#8212; although not so interesting as PMO&#039;s, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: herringchoker</title>
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		<dc:creator>herringchoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that much. PEI is a straight-up Tory/LIberal fight while the NDP have only ever shown any strength in eaastern &amp; NE NB. Mr. Godin is an icon of those days. So if I was an NB Grit I might be concerned in Beausejour (although probably not that concerned - Dominic did lose to a Dipper in 97, but he probably has a lock on it). Moncton, however, is a much different story. A higher NDP vote would not be good news for Brian Murphy. He only won by 1200 votes against Dan Allain last year. The Grits are not very popular provincially these days, so if the NDP vote goes up, its likely to come at  Murphy&#039;s expense.

Cumberland-Colchester remains a head-scratcher though. I really don&#039;t know how things will fall out now that Bill Casey has retired. It definitely won&#039;t go Liberal, but I can&#039;t say it won&#039;t go NDP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that much. PEI is a straight-up Tory/LIberal fight while the NDP have only ever shown any strength in eaastern &amp; NE NB. Mr. Godin is an icon of those days. So if I was an NB Grit I might be concerned in Beausejour (although probably not that concerned &#8211; Dominic did lose to a Dipper in 97, but he probably has a lock on it). Moncton, however, is a much different story. A higher NDP vote would not be good news for Brian Murphy. He only won by 1200 votes against Dan Allain last year. The Grits are not very popular provincially these days, so if the NDP vote goes up, its likely to come at  Murphy&#039;s expense.</p>
<p>Cumberland-Colchester remains a head-scratcher though. I really don&#039;t know how things will fall out now that Bill Casey has retired. It definitely won&#039;t go Liberal, but I can&#039;t say it won&#039;t go NDP.</p>
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		<title>By: KadyITQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>KadyITQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to be clear -- because it&#039;s actually an important distinction -- this is a ways and means motion, not a bill. W&amp;M motions are not debateable or amendable -- you just vote, and actually, it doesn&#039;t even have to be a recorded division, although it looks like the government is gearing up to demand one, even if the Speaker gives it to the yeas on a voice vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be clear &#8212; because it&#8217;s actually an important distinction &#8212; this is a ways and means motion, not a bill. W&amp;M motions are not debateable or amendable &#8212; you just vote, and actually, it doesn&#8217;t even have to be a recorded division, although it looks like the government is gearing up to demand one, even if the Speaker gives it to the yeas on a voice vote.</p>
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		<title>By: herringchoker</title>
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		<dc:creator>herringchoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the Dipper/Tory shift provincially, it could be something big (especially in Colchester County) or it might not be. The Dippers supplanted the Grits in and around Halifax back in the 90s. Their real breakthrough this year came by eating into the Tory precincts in Pictou and the Annapolis Valley. The Grit vote in these areas collapsed when John Savage was pushed from office. Federally though, Halifax and the Valley are LIberal &amp; NDP ridings, so I expect a stronger Dipper vote will come at the expense of Mssrs Brison, Regan and Savage, rather than from Mssrs Keddy and Kerr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the Dipper/Tory shift provincially, it could be something big (especially in Colchester County) or it might not be. The Dippers supplanted the Grits in and around Halifax back in the 90s. Their real breakthrough this year came by eating into the Tory precincts in Pictou and the Annapolis Valley. The Grit vote in these areas collapsed when John Savage was pushed from office. Federally though, Halifax and the Valley are LIberal &amp; NDP ridings, so I expect a stronger Dipper vote will come at the expense of Mssrs Brison, Regan and Savage, rather than from Mssrs Keddy and Kerr.</p>
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		<title>By: herringchoker</title>
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		<dc:creator>herringchoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, my recollection from my time out west is that on the prairies (west of Winnipeg) the fight is between the Dippers and the Tories, so when the LIberal vote goes up, it takes votes from the NDP and Conservatives win.

Down here, on the other hand, where the battle lines have tended to be fixed for generations, the Dippers are the outlier and tend to take votes disproportionately from the Liberals. Conservative voters tend not to move as readily, especially now that the PCs and Reform/CA have stopped tryiing to pinch the others vote, thereby electing Liberals (Reform/CA were only ever competitive in NB, but could still bleed away enough Tory votes regionally to let the Grits win some seats, especially in 1993). As that&#039;s no longer an issue, I think the Grits have more to fear from the Dippers than the Tories do, with the possible exception of Central Nova (where the NDP have made strong challenges in the past).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my recollection from my time out west is that on the prairies (west of Winnipeg) the fight is between the Dippers and the Tories, so when the LIberal vote goes up, it takes votes from the NDP and Conservatives win.</p>
<p>Down here, on the other hand, where the battle lines have tended to be fixed for generations, the Dippers are the outlier and tend to take votes disproportionately from the Liberals. Conservative voters tend not to move as readily, especially now that the PCs and Reform/CA have stopped tryiing to pinch the others vote, thereby electing Liberals (Reform/CA were only ever competitive in NB, but could still bleed away enough Tory votes regionally to let the Grits win some seats, especially in 1993). As that&#039;s no longer an issue, I think the Grits have more to fear from the Dippers than the Tories do, with the possible exception of Central Nova (where the NDP have made strong challenges in the past).</p>
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		<title>By: dan in van</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan in van</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon Craig, you&#039;ve got to spell thinks out FON-ETT-ICK-ILLY for special Ed. The CONs don&#039;t grow their trolls too educated, y&#039;know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#039;mon Craig, you&#039;ve got to spell thinks out FON-ETT-ICK-ILLY for special Ed. The CONs don&#039;t grow their trolls too educated, y&#039;know.</p>
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		<title>By: SisyphusThis</title>
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		<dc:creator>SisyphusThis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah feeeeeeel good!</description>
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		<title>By: Ed_Sweeney</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-1/#comment-163517</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed_Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, you are right, I was focusing on the trend numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, you are right, I was focusing on the trend numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed_Sweeney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed_Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My whole point was that I didn&#039;t want to infer. There are many fascinating aspects to that data and how it gets analyzed. There is also the juxtaposition offered between age/vote intention and education/vote intention. They are often conversely related, so assuming education levels means a more informed vote, and also that with age comes wisdom, there is an apparent contradiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My whole point was that I didn&#039;t want to infer. There are many fascinating aspects to that data and how it gets analyzed. There is also the juxtaposition offered between age/vote intention and education/vote intention. They are often conversely related, so assuming education levels means a more informed vote, and also that with age comes wisdom, there is an apparent contradiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;ve been wishing we had better numbers in the Maritimes.  The recent swings have just been ridiculous (basically +/- 10% each week), so it&#039;s got to be in large part due to ridiculously small samples.  I honestly wouldn&#039;t be shocked if your 6/4/1 numbers weren&#039;t ultimately right for Nova Scotia, but not sure what that says for the other Maritimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#039;ve been wishing we had better numbers in the Maritimes.  The recent swings have just been ridiculous (basically +/- 10% each week), so it&#039;s got to be in large part due to ridiculously small samples.  I honestly wouldn&#039;t be shocked if your 6/4/1 numbers weren&#039;t ultimately right for Nova Scotia, but not sure what that says for the other Maritimes.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..and our preciouss tummsies jiggle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..and our preciouss tummsies jiggle.</p>
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		<title>By: Mannt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mannt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What previous poll? I was only looking at the current poll as posed above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What previous poll? I was only looking at the current poll as posed above.</p>
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		<title>By: Crit_Reasoning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crit_Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but how do you feel about James Brown?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but how do you feel about James Brown?</p>
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		<title>By: Craig O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really. Infer what you&#039;d like by my comment, you probably won&#039;t be far off the mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really. Infer what you&#039;d like by my comment, you probably won&#039;t be far off the mark.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the number of provincial ridings that have swung from PC to NDP in the past decade, and the number of Dexter&#039;s Dippers whose provincial ridings are contained within federal Tory boundaries, I would not assume for one minute that &quot;NDP gains come exclusively from the Grits in these parts&quot;.

Hell, given the number of FEDERAL ridings that were held by the NDP in 1988, and by the Reformatories from 1993 onwards, I wouldn&#039;t assume that NDP gains come exclusively from the Grits in ANY parts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the number of provincial ridings that have swung from PC to NDP in the past decade, and the number of Dexter&#039;s Dippers whose provincial ridings are contained within federal Tory boundaries, I would not assume for one minute that &quot;NDP gains come exclusively from the Grits in these parts&quot;.</p>
<p>Hell, given the number of FEDERAL ridings that were held by the NDP in 1988, and by the Reformatories from 1993 onwards, I wouldn&#039;t assume that NDP gains come exclusively from the Grits in ANY parts.</p>
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		<title>By: even flow</title>
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		<dc:creator>even flow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Touche!</description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is Graves trying to sell the public on the horse-poop proposition that his decimal point matters?

(It doesn&#039;t).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Graves trying to sell the public on the horse-poop proposition that his decimal point matters?</p>
<p>(It doesn&#039;t).</p>
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		<title>By: PolJunkie</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-1/#comment-163507</link>
		<dc:creator>PolJunkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I name James Moore as overrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I name James Moore as overrated.</p>
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		<title>By: PolJunkie</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-1/#comment-163506</link>
		<dc:creator>PolJunkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I name James Brown as overrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I name James Brown as overrated.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed_Sweeney</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-2/#comment-163505</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed_Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>word of warning - augers are not to be trifled with. Operating the one man auger is something akin to chainsaw juggling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>word of warning &#8211; augers are not to be trifled with. Operating the one man auger is something akin to chainsaw juggling.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed_Sweeney</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-2/#comment-163504</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed_Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>word of warning - augers are not to be trifled. Operating the one man auger is something akin to chainsaw juggling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>word of warning &#8211; augers are not to be trifled. Operating the one man auger is something akin to chainsaw juggling.</p>
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		<title>By: John.K</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-2/#comment-163503</link>
		<dc:creator>John.K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or a subtle hint that perhaps the Liberals are augered....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or a subtle hint that perhaps the Liberals are augered&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Crit_Reasoning</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-2/#comment-163502</link>
		<dc:creator>Crit_Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be like matter and antimatter colliding.  Huge explosion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be like matter and antimatter colliding.  Huge explosion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed_Sweeney</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-1/#comment-163501</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed_Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that meeting would be a fun one to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that meeting would be a fun one to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed_Sweeney</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-1/#comment-163500</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed_Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that would be a fun one to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that would be a fun one to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart_Smith</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-1/#comment-163499</link>
		<dc:creator>Stewart_Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps you should introduce Catherine to Harper... apparently he has not met a single Canadian like her!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you should introduce Catherine to Harper&#8230; apparently he has not met a single Canadian like her!</p>
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		<title>By: herringchoker</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-2/#comment-163498</link>
		<dc:creator>herringchoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Atlantic numbers, if the NDP numbers really are rising (this being the second EKOS poll in a row showing that - which may come from oversampling Halifax) that&#039;s really bad news for the Grits. If NS really is in a post-Dexter swoon, it could mean a repeat of 1997, when the Grits were shut out in NS. I doubt the Tory vote will go anywhere, but NDP gains come exclusively from the Grits in these parts and, based on voting patterns from the provincial vote in June, Its possible that NS could return 7 Dippers and 4 Tories, or 6, 4 &amp; 1, depending on whether of not Brison has enough star appeal to hold Kings-Hants. The other Grit names (Regan &amp; Savage) are hardly world-beaters as they both went down to defeat back in 97.

I&#039;m not sure the NDP numbers mean much beyond NS but, I wouldn&#039;t sleep soundly if I was Brian Murphy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Atlantic numbers, if the NDP numbers really are rising (this being the second EKOS poll in a row showing that &#8211; which may come from oversampling Halifax) that&#039;s really bad news for the Grits. If NS really is in a post-Dexter swoon, it could mean a repeat of 1997, when the Grits were shut out in NS. I doubt the Tory vote will go anywhere, but NDP gains come exclusively from the Grits in these parts and, based on voting patterns from the provincial vote in June, Its possible that NS could return 7 Dippers and 4 Tories, or 6, 4 &amp; 1, depending on whether of not Brison has enough star appeal to hold Kings-Hants. The other Grit names (Regan &amp; Savage) are hardly world-beaters as they both went down to defeat back in 97.</p>
<p>I&#039;m not sure the NDP numbers mean much beyond NS but, I wouldn&#039;t sleep soundly if I was Brian Murphy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed_Sweeney</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-2/#comment-163497</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed_Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe auger was meant as a data-mining metaphor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe auger was meant as a data-mining metaphor</p>
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		<title>By: Ed_Sweeney</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-1/#comment-163495</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed_Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the MoE should be considered 13.4 because you have to add the error from the previous poll if you are comparing the two (assuming the BC number was the 6.7 on the previous poll).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the MoE should be considered 13.4 because you have to add the error from the previous poll if you are comparing the two (assuming the BC number was the 6.7 on the previous poll).</p>
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		<title>By: Ed_Sweeney</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-1/#comment-163494</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed_Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the MoE should be considered 13.4 because you have to add the error from the previous poll if you are comparing the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the MoE should be considered 13.4 because you have to add the error from the previous poll if you are comparing the two.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed_Sweeney</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-1/#comment-163493</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed_Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catherine, it is almost impossible to believe that you were not ready for an election the day after the last one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine, it is almost impossible to believe that you were not ready for an election the day after the last one.</p>
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		<title>By: Avens</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-1/#comment-163492</link>
		<dc:creator>Avens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone taken advantage of this tax credit?  Spending $10.000 to get a credit of $1350 is out of reach to most of us taxpayers anyway.  That in itself will be a *who cares* if it is defeated.
Have to hand it to Harper though, spending taxpayers money on advertising a program that is non existent and blaming the Liberals for calling them on it - Texas hold em - gambling with Canadians money and with Canadians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone taken advantage of this tax credit?  Spending $10.000 to get a credit of $1350 is out of reach to most of us taxpayers anyway.  That in itself will be a *who cares* if it is defeated.<br />
Have to hand it to Harper though, spending taxpayers money on advertising a program that is non existent and blaming the Liberals for calling them on it &#8211; Texas hold em &#8211; gambling with Canadians money and with Canadians.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed_Sweeney</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-1/#comment-163491</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed_Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;but quite telling about the state of our politics.&lt;/i&gt;

Care to elaborate on that thought?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>but quite telling about the state of our politics.</i></p>
<p>Care to elaborate on that thought?</p>
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		<title>By: John.K</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-2/#comment-163490</link>
		<dc:creator>John.K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another gentle correction:

&lt;i&gt;what does that auger for the Liberals as far as next week&#8217;s results&lt;/i&gt;

I think you mean augur...an auger is a type of drill or helical elevating device for moving grain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another gentle correction:</p>
<p><i>what does that auger for the Liberals as far as next week&rsquo;s results</i></p>
<p>I think you mean augur&#8230;an auger is a type of drill or helical elevating device for moving grain.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-1/#comment-163489</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what many thought about  their claims that a coalition was an unconstitutional, anti-democratic coup, and their claims that he could just cancel Parliament to save his job, and their claims that they had to break their explicit promise and introduce a tax on income trusts, and their claims that they had to break their explicit promise and call an election in 2008, and their claims... well, I&#039;m sure you get the point. Hopefully others will start to as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s what many thought about  their claims that a coalition was an unconstitutional, anti-democratic coup, and their claims that he could just cancel Parliament to save his job, and their claims that they had to break their explicit promise and introduce a tax on income trusts, and their claims that they had to break their explicit promise and call an election in 2008, and their claims&#8230; well, I&#039;m sure you get the point. Hopefully others will start to as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-2/#comment-163488</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Nova Scotian, I can&#039;t get enough of comments like &quot;enDexterfied&quot;.  &quot;Saskitoba&quot; is also great - is there any hope you can get on a nationally syndicated broadcast?  More comments like this in the national conscience would improve the dialogue.  I mean, Rick Mercer is funny, though even as a Newf descendant I am getting tired of him, but he has never used words like &quot;Saskitoba&quot;.
More seriously - does anyone think, in any way, Harper can ever win a majority in Canada?  I mean, in the face of the biggest collapse by the Liberal party in history, he still couldn&#039;t get his majority.  He has had everything line up his, and his parties, way for his entire reign of terror, and still can&#039;t seal the deal.  At what point does the CPC finally decide he is not going to be the one?  I can&#039;t see him picking up any more seats that he already has.  Unless they magically invent more seats in Alberta (which I wouldn&#039;t put it past them), I can&#039;t see where they are able to make any more inroads than they already have.  Maybe if he didn&#039;t spend so much time actively torking off Quebec and Atlantic Canada he could pick up seats there.  But I think he&#039;s reached the limit of his grasp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Nova Scotian, I can&#039;t get enough of comments like &quot;enDexterfied&quot;.  &quot;Saskitoba&quot; is also great &#8211; is there any hope you can get on a nationally syndicated broadcast?  More comments like this in the national conscience would improve the dialogue.  I mean, Rick Mercer is funny, though even as a Newf descendant I am getting tired of him, but he has never used words like &quot;Saskitoba&quot;.<br />
More seriously &#8211; does anyone think, in any way, Harper can ever win a majority in Canada?  I mean, in the face of the biggest collapse by the Liberal party in history, he still couldn&#039;t get his majority.  He has had everything line up his, and his parties, way for his entire reign of terror, and still can&#039;t seal the deal.  At what point does the CPC finally decide he is not going to be the one?  I can&#039;t see him picking up any more seats that he already has.  Unless they magically invent more seats in Alberta (which I wouldn&#039;t put it past them), I can&#039;t see where they are able to make any more inroads than they already have.  Maybe if he didn&#039;t spend so much time actively torking off Quebec and Atlantic Canada he could pick up seats there.  But I think he&#039;s reached the limit of his grasp.</p>
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		<title>By: catherine</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-1/#comment-163487</link>
		<dc:creator>catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about just assuming we have functioning adults in government and they were given a chance to make something work, but went ahead and appointed mudslinger Ryan Sparrow to start spinning about the committee and the cabinet minister began by stating lies about the Liberal position.

Harper has had plenty of chances to prove that he has what it takes to cooperate and govern in a minority situation.  He has had some particularly striking examples since the last election, with denials about impending deficits, the Financial Update, the budget (and his trick of leaving the home reno out of the implementation bill), his G8 performance, and the EI panel.  We can all draw our own conclusions about what Harper has proven in this regard.  I, for one, am ready for an election whenever it comes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about just assuming we have functioning adults in government and they were given a chance to make something work, but went ahead and appointed mudslinger Ryan Sparrow to start spinning about the committee and the cabinet minister began by stating lies about the Liberal position.</p>
<p>Harper has had plenty of chances to prove that he has what it takes to cooperate and govern in a minority situation.  He has had some particularly striking examples since the last election, with denials about impending deficits, the Financial Update, the budget (and his trick of leaving the home reno out of the implementation bill), his G8 performance, and the EI panel.  We can all draw our own conclusions about what Harper has proven in this regard.  I, for one, am ready for an election whenever it comes.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig O</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-1/#comment-163486</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looked like Ignatieff was just posturing and got called on it - Harper gave him an out, so he took it. I don&#039;t think either party intended to accomplish anything on that front, besides expelling more hot gas out of their mouths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looked like Ignatieff was just posturing and got called on it &#8211; Harper gave him an out, so he took it. I don&#039;t think either party intended to accomplish anything on that front, besides expelling more hot gas out of their mouths.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-2/#comment-163485</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep,

And its a motion that should have been voted on a long time ago, back with the other budget implementation stuff.

But instead, the Conservatives didn&#039;t have the paperwork done in time for summer but went ahead and advertised it anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep,</p>
<p>And its a motion that should have been voted on a long time ago, back with the other budget implementation stuff.</p>
<p>But instead, the Conservatives didn&#039;t have the paperwork done in time for summer but went ahead and advertised it anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: SeanStok</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-2/#comment-163484</link>
		<dc:creator>SeanStok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well then, the lead paragraphs of the CBC story are somewhat misleading....

&quot;Stephen Harper&#039;s Conservatives could pre-empt a Liberal attempt to bring down the government as soon as Parliament resumes by tabling a motion of confidence on the highly popular home renovation tax credit.

 The Conservatives need to introduce a budget ways-and-means motion some time in the fall that would allow the government to spend money and raise taxes. It is possible the Tories will introduce the motion on the first day of the fall Parliamentary session on Sept. 14, which could lead to another election as soon as mid-October.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then, the lead paragraphs of the CBC story are somewhat misleading&#8230;.</p>
<p>&quot;Stephen Harper&#039;s Conservatives could pre-empt a Liberal attempt to bring down the government as soon as Parliament resumes by tabling a motion of confidence on the highly popular home renovation tax credit.</p>
<p> The Conservatives need to introduce a budget ways-and-means motion some time in the fall that would allow the government to spend money and raise taxes. It is possible the Tories will introduce the motion on the first day of the fall Parliamentary session on Sept. 14, which could lead to another election as soon as mid-October.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-1/#comment-163482</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: Conservatives&#039; delays in assisting Canadians not a reason to avoid an election. It is the very reason to have an election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: Conservatives&#039; delays in assisting Canadians not a reason to avoid an election. It is the very reason to have an election.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/ekos-weekly-well-it-had-to-happen-eventually-a-perfect-tie/comment-page-1/#comment-163481</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly.

Easy enough for them to say: &quot;The Conservatives refused to provide any stimulus last November. We forced them to do it. They introduced this tax credit in January. We supported. Today the Conservatives have finally brought this bill in front of us. We will support it again. But friends, let&#039;s be clear hear, why has it taken the Conservatives so long to get this assistance approved? It took them 5 months to do anything about the economy. It took them 9 months to get this bill to us. Conservatives&#039; delays in assisting Canadians a reason to avoid an election. It is the very reason to have an election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>Easy enough for them to say: &quot;The Conservatives refused to provide any stimulus last November. We forced them to do it. They introduced this tax credit in January. We supported. Today the Conservatives have finally brought this bill in front of us. We will support it again. But friends, let&#039;s be clear hear, why has it taken the Conservatives so long to get this assistance approved? It took them 5 months to do anything about the economy. It took them 9 months to get this bill to us. Conservatives&#039; delays in assisting Canadians a reason to avoid an election. It is the very reason to have an election.</p>
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