Your family is being watched 24-7

What’s next in surveillance-happy Britain? Cameras in private homes? Actually, yes.

by Mark Steyn on Thursday, September 3, 2009 3:20pm - 131 Comments

Your family is being watched 24-7To passing tourists, catching yet another government poster apprising you of electronic surveillance looming in the distance, the initials “CCTV” can be oddly reminiscent of “CCCP,” the Cyrillicized abbreviation for the U.S.S.R. CCTV is the United Kingdom’s ubiquitous acronym. Nobody needs to be told what it stands for. It accompanies you as you make your way to work, whether by car, bus, train, or taxi. And it’s there waiting for you at the end of your shift, as you go to buy your groceries or head to the movies. Last year, when David Davis resigned from the shadow cabinet because of the remarkably bipartisan insouciance about the “erosion of fundamental British freedoms,” he said there was “a CCTV camera for every 14 citizens.” The British, according to another well-retailed line, are apparently the most video-monitored people in the world other than the North Koreans. In an aside in his new novel The Defector, the American author Daniel Silva lays out the background:

“ ‘So how are the British so certain about what happened?’

“ ‘Their little electronic helpers were watching.’

“Navot was referring to CCTV, the ubiquitous network of 10,000 closed-circuit television cameras that gave London’s Metropolitan Police the ability to monitor activity, criminal or otherwise, on virtually every street in the British capital. A recent government study had concluded that the system had failed in its primary objective: deterring crime and apprehending criminals. Only three per cent of street robberies were solved using CCTV technology, and crime rates in London were soaring. Embarrassed police officials explained away the failure by pointing out that the criminals had accounted for the cameras by adjusting their tactics, such as wearing masks and hats to conceal their identities. Apparently, no one in charge had considered that possibility before spending hundreds of millions of pounds and invading the public’s privacy on an unprecedented scale. The subjects of the United Kingdom, birthplace of Western democracy, now resided in an Orwellian world where their every movement was watched over by the eyes of the state.”

All true, except for the “10,000” cameras, which is certainly an underestimate. By some calculations, they’re now approaching five million (public and private) across the country. On this side of the Atlantic, closed-circuit television is mostly confined to banks and a select few other locations, and they still look like cameras. Not on the streets of London, where ever smaller boxes mounted ever more discreetly to the clutter of curbside signage betray no clue as to their purpose. Not that the authorities are embarrassed by them. Au contraire, notices advertising that you’re in their reassuring presence are almost as frequent as the cameras. Strolling down Piccadilly the other day, I lost count of the number of signs emblazoned “WESTMINSTER CCTV: KEEPING OUR STREETS SAFE,” complete with a cute little CCTV logo that they paid some marketing firm to hire some graphic artist to come up with. Any day now the government will surely unveil some lovable anthropomorphized cartoon figure—Carlton Camera or some such—who’ll appear in public service announcements saying he’s just popped up to keep an eye on you.

But perhaps I overestimate the modern security state’s need to soft-soap its purposes. A couple of years back, London Transport unveiled a poster called “SECURE BENEATH THE WATCHFUL EYES” showing the iconic red double-decker bus making its way across a Thames bridge protected by a sky filled with giant all-seeing eyes. “CCTV & Metropolitan Police on buses,” explained the caption, “are just two ways we’re making your journey home more secure.” The draftsmanship was beautiful, the image a strange conflation of classic London Underground poster art and ’tween-wars Continental Fascist propaganda. You would have thought that anyone who had . . . well, not read but was just dimly aware of the vague gist of Orwell’s 1984 could not possibly have approved such a campaign. But London Transport did, and Londoners more or less accepted it.

If you’re a novelist, it’s impossible to write a story set in Britain without taking CCTV into account. In his new book The Ghosts of Belfast, Stuart Neville writes of his protagonist:

“The truth was he’d slept very little the previous night. It took him an hour and a half to work his way through the streets, avoiding CCTV cameras on his way home.”

Easier said than done. Daniel Silva captures the scale of the enterprise:

“ ‘Were you able to trace the car’s movements with CCTV?’

“ ‘It turned left into Edgware Road, then made a right at St. John’s Wood Road. Eventually, it entered an underground parking garage in Primrose Hill, where it remained for 57 minutes . . . After leaving the garage, it headed northeast to Brentwood, a suburb just outside the M25. At which point, it slipped out of CCTV range and disappeared from sight.’ ”

Did you tell your wife you were kept late at the office but you were in fact parked outside your mistress’s flat at 27b Lucknow Gardens? There’s an electronic record of that somewhere in a government database. Maybe that’s nothing to worry about, maybe no one will ever have cause to dig it out. But it’s in there.

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  • Ian

    As a former citizen of Scotland I was glad to see one person mention the IRA. This is not an Independent Retirement Account over there it is the Irish Republican Army. The camera played a role in catching terrorists after the London bombins of a few years ago. All of this is conveniently forgotten by Mark in his rantings. Or he does not know.

    I question his qualifications to talk with authority on UK matters. The other day in standing in for Rush Limbaugh he said the guy with the back injury in Scotland would not get treatment in they were over their budget. This is a lie. Mark said you cannot get medical treatment outside the government system in Scotland. This is another lie. My brother had prostate surgery in Edinburgh last year in a private hospital using insurance from his work provided by his employer. Just like we do in the USA. Private and Public Health systems co-exist alongside each other in Scotland under a scheme run by the new Scottish Parliament.

    • Michael

      Is that the same New Scottish Government that let the Terrorist go back to Libya on humanitarian grounds.
      I think I'm leaning to Steyns direction.

      • Ian

        Yes it is the same government in 2009. The facts I am telling you about have existed for many years. So what is the relevance of your question?

        • Michael

          The Scottish health care system seems to have misdiagnosed the terrorist terminal cancer ,so how good could it be .

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Halo_Override Halo_Override

            To belabo(u)r your unfortunate metaphor further, this comment would have felt right at home in the old Guardian forums, before that arena was diagnosed with advanced dunderheaded uselessless and subsequently euthanized. (Which is a shame, since your comment below — assuming that you're the same Michael — is perfectly fine.)

          • Ian

            Again get your facts straight. The cancer was diagnosed in Scotland as terminal. He had nine days to live when he left Scotland. That is why they sent him home. For the record definitely not a desicion I agree with. Would you please stop changing the subject and going off on tangents with "facts" you appear to make up.

            The point I made, which seems to have escaped you and Mark Steyn, is that the IRA were responsible for the UK government and others installing lots of cameras years ago. The IRA were setting off car bombs in London and other places in the UK throught the 1970s. Similar to Bagdad now on a smaller scale. There is an upside to cameras in that they help catch bad guys such as bank robbers and the London underground bombers two decades later. Some Nanny! There is a downside as well which is obviously misuse by the wrong people including the government, Regulations should mitigate that,

  • Michael

    There is always a well intended reason why Government infringes our freedoms. Hooliganism, terrorism,crime or even a check stop .Usually promoted by Government for the greater good of society .What's interesting is how eagerly the general population trades away their civil liberties for some sense of security.The cost of freedom is a fragile thing,to sustain it we will have to monitor the Governments that want to erode it, not the other way around.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/detmar detmar

    In the old England no cameras were needed because miscreants got punished. Punished in a sense that it hurt. In today's Britain you can get away with murder without an effective punishment, and many do. Listen to this. In a TV program, the crew followed a young man who shot dead a farther of two. The shooting got captured on a CCTV, and the man was apprehended within hours. The TV crew filmed him facing the duty sergeant reading him his rights in a police station. The young man yawned. And why not. Charged with murder that he readily admitted to he couldn't get 'life' (in pseudo-liberal Britain life equals 25 years max), but only half of the maximum ie 12 years. Well, he only got 8 years because of mitigating circumstances, and should be out on parole having served just 4 years. Four years in a modern British prison where inmates are served better meals than the NHS patients. That's what a switch from retributive to restorative justice does. It restores the villains to crime in no time at all.

  • Ian

    My position is that Mark Steyn is unqualified to lead a blog on the health system in Scotland and other matters in Scotland such as cc cameras. He has wrong facts on the Scottish Health care system. He has been misleading by omission on important facts about cameras in Scotland. He must have lived there at some time but either he was very young or he has forgotten. You are unqualified to comment on health care in Scotland, since you know didley-squat about it. Please comment on my statements and do not introduce diversions, new subjects, extreme comments about government healthcare etc etc, If you cannot do that then go away. In Scotland we have a very choice two word phrase to tell people like you to go away. I cannot use it in this medium.

    You might want to do us all a favor and put Mark Steyn on hear or somebody else who may know what time of day it is. My comment was made about what Mark said when he was standing in for Limbaugh this week which you may not have heard.

    • kbb

      Ian,

      As you're so knowledgeable about the NHS, why don't you tell us about the co-payment system in Scotland.

      Clue.

      • Ian

        There is no co-payment system. Do you think there is one? Various changes have been made to the UK system over the years with payments being required for various things but that changes from time to time. My wife used to work in the NHS before we emigrated. We can't keep up with all the changes since we now live in the USA so I cannot promise to be up-to-the-minute-correct.. But we go back frequently. I broke my arm on vacation there recently and got my wallet out to pay after I was treated

      • Ian

        Hi kbb it's me again. Now I realize what the little red underlined clue is there for in your box. I thought it was something for the clueless Republican wack-jobs to remind them what day it was.

        I see that Co-payment means something different in the UK to the US in a health care context. Two nations divided by a common language! Yes the NHS sometimes denies treatment through bureaucratic ineptitude and stupidity and some times people die as a result. Yes, my family advises me that the NHS situation forces people into a private system because the NHS has insufficient money etc. Yes, people who have health insurance in the UK as an employment benefit tend to use it when they are sick. All of which happens in the good old USA in a slightly different manner.

  • Ian

    I was interested in your comments which are good ones. However, having lived on "both sides of the pond" I see the same problem here to much the same degree especially among what you call proles. There is no socialist government in the USA. Any comment?

    • miko

      There doesn't need to be a socialist government in office, remember that for most of the time this was occurring the Conservatives were in government. Even as Margaret Thatcher was slaying the already moribund British trade union movement and the Soviet Union she never saw what was occurring right under her very nose.

      Mrs Thatcher like so many people who are opposed to Marxism never seem to understand that the economic issue is almost secondary (look at China today if you don't believe me). The key objective of socialism is attaining power, socialism thrives on power and as long as its followers are ensconced in positions of influence within the media, churches, universities, schools and government departments it doesn't matter which party is in office or what economic policy is being pursued for as long as they can control real actual human beings then they control the state.

      The government, schools, universities and media have been well infested by these people in the US even as Republican presidents were sitting in the White House, let me assure you the US is only a decade or two behind Britain.

      • Ian

        You think it is going to take Obama that long? Look at the rate at which he has started!

        You have redefined Socialism for your own purposes. No wonder the US population is scared of the word Socialism. Socialism is government ownership of the means of production for the people. The Labour government nationilized the UK Steel Industry, the Coal mining Industry, Gas, electricity etc etc. Then when they realized it was a disaster economically they changed it all back again. What a mess! If you said Maggie was too busy doing her thing to notice that she should have been exorcising the remnants of the "for the people" bit that Labour got finished. you would b more correctI thought Republicans and Conservatives (note the Large C) had economics in their genes. She did come over here to hold George W Bush's hand when she thought he was going "wobbly"

        • Ian

          just before Desert Storm

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Halo_Override Halo_Override

    Aversion to being lumped together with posts like this is why there will probably not be a serious men's movement anytime soon. I has a sad.

  • Ian

    Right. Two of my visits in the last eight years to Scotland have been for the deaths of my mother and father who both died in NHS hospitals.

    But I digress. No payments is not a system to use. It is open to abuse. All systems are open to abuse by human beings wherever they are. No payments causes unlimited demand – Economics 101. You need some form of payment to create self "rationing" ("rationing" is a (bad?) word I see on this website and others). I would not advocate the nonpayment aspect of the UK NHS just in case you think I do. Why are we even discussing this? This is all a moot point since the US is plainly not heading in that direction.

    • Ian

      I find Right Wing rants on websites about the UK NHS systems very amusing, which is why I occasionally take a look. Very often they are highlighting issues from there that exist here. There was one somewhere on a website in the last few days about UK doctors making mistakes with end of life patients. Somebody must think that that does not happen here. I know of one that happened in Chicago six years ago.

      Medical care or treatment is highly personal. It involves life and death. The Scottish people like their system warts and all. As we can see from the current madness surrounding the health care debate in the US, we seem to have discovered that Americans like their system too (warts and all).

      I can also give you the benefit of my (limited) Canadian medical system experience at some time since I now have a son living there and we have a three year old grandaughter born in a Canadian hospital. I live in Bellingham Washington with the Canadian border 17 miles away. I know lots of Americans who go to Canada for less expensive dental

  • Ian

    and medical treatment as it is comparable in quality. Are there droves of them? I have not seen droves. I recently heard Hannity ranting about droves of Canadians coming south because they can't get treatment in Canada. Again I cross the border frequently and see droves of Canadians. Are they coming for medical treatment? I did not have time to interview them all. If they are, they are also going to Walmart for cheap plastic items from China or for cheap gas. You can't move in Bellingham sometimes for vehicles with Vancouver BC plates depending on the exchange rate. Mostly in the Walmart and other store and gas station car parks but not at the doctor's office, where I have spent a lot of time in the last 12 months. But participating in these websites takes a lot of time and has to be worthwhile. and I must not start a rant because then I would have less time to read and laugh at other people's rants.

    Left wing rants do not seem to me to be as humorous and there are less of them, at least on health care. Am I correct in saying this? The only LW ranter I have found is Ed Shulz on radio but I am sure there must be others.

    Enough from me.

    • Ian

      hi kbb, are you sorry you asked me that question

      • kbb

        Hi Ian,

        Not at all. Thanks for the full response.

        I didn't hear Steyn's radio show so I can't comment on it directly. If he said you cannot get medical treatment outside the government system, then he's wrong. But our system (I'm English) forces you to choose between private or NHS treatment. And I believe the Canadian system is single supplier.

        As you note, the perverse incentives at work in public health systems inevitably result in rationing, and for many conditions treatment delayed is treatment denied.

        While I support having a public health system, I believe the current set-up of the NHS is not viable long term – we appear to have tested it to destruction in the UK – and that serious reform (yes, market-oriented) will follow, whatever the complexion of the government.

        • Ian

          Private insurance companies sometimes delay and deny treatment also. People die in the US from that insurance company behavior. So the unfavorable comparisions against the NHS are bogus at least in part.

          Yes the Canadian system is single payer. The UK NHS is the only? universal healthcare system in the world where the government owns hospitals etc> The perennial nhs problem was always underfunding< imagine what the nhs would look like at the us funding level>

          not to be copied anywhere else

          • Ian

            i am not in favor of government involvement in health care other than a single payer system> this is not on ideological grounds but on practical grounds> we should only have governemts doing stuff they are good at (military) or where there is no choice>

            they are too slow< too big>too bureaucratic_politics would get into the health care system etc etc> in this respect the massive us governemt would take first prize in a competition_

            it would be great if governemts could design systems where they ask during the design stage "if we set it up like this< how could it be abused or misused as business does these days >

            i have very little confidence that is going to happen and the current debcale at town hall meetings in congress and the senate leaves me even less confident that will ever happen whoever is in power in the us

        • Ian

          Hi kbb, Well that was a good discussion, This is the first time i have been on Marc Steyn's website and was a little apprehensive, I was fully expecting massive right wing tirades. But we chased him away. A lot of the information on this website is factually incorrect (and funny) but a lot of the opinions are worth reading. Marc has been able to get a measure of humor into it as well. I notice you can report violators to what is presumably a moderator and that is good. lools like an excellent site.

  • Gordon Phillips

    I was visiting England in April this year and after wandering around a cathedral city in late evening I took a short cut thru the city center. Upon entering a covered walkway in the shopping area I heard on a loud speaker "You are being monitored as you walk in this area, please take care to avoid causing any damage". I turned around and got the same message again, then decided to keep going. The CCTV cameras are many and easily located. CCTV does not seem to bring about a lowering of crime rates but does aid local police in apprehending law breakers. Sentencing of criminals in England is not at all harsh and for petty or mischief type crimes incarceration is rare. .

  • Ian

    A lot of our readers may not appreciate our references to English and Scottish, Some may interpret it as the old positioning from our history. For their benifit, the UK now has 3 "national" health services soon to be four, That may already have happened. I noticed on a trip to England recently that people down there refer to "the NHS". I suppose there are 55,000,000 people in England (Moslems,whatever) and 3,000,000 in Scotland so maybe they a right to say that. So when Mark mentioned the governmemt health service in Scotland I assumed he meant the bit north of the border. That lead to the tirade about the Scottish minister freeing a terrorist after the Scottish Health Service misdiagnosed his cancer, so what good is the Scottish NHS!

    All the best to you, kbb

  • Ian

    The black father, in his home with his family, was the absolute bedrock against which the government could never succeed, get rid of him and the rest is easy. In te US they have done that spectacularly well, first by demonising the father as some sort of racist, child abusing, wife beating drunk and bully as the popular media and higher education conspired to do and then encourage his children to either get pregnant or get someone else's child pregnant. Provide crap schools that the children will want to drop out of but give them benefits that mean they can be paid by the state to have more children while living in state controlled housing.

    It's terrible in the USA. Not enough room to re-edit everything you said. Then to correct this they had welfare reform which must have worked well because it does not get mentioned on the state controlled media.

  • Ian

    I note your very pessimistic forecast for the US. I am more optimistic than you but I may have stuff to learn I am a new citizen. The US population is very stupid I grant (you amd me excepted) but they will never allow nationalization of the steel industry etc. The US people have a strong heritage of conservatism (small c) and will hopefully not be so asleep at the wheel that they allow the government to become too nannyish with welfare etc. The British people dpenly talk about their nanny government. You should use the same term.

    • Ian

      The nanny government word usage is already here in the USA. I have just remembered. I was in Oregon in July and went to purchase gas. Just as I went to put the gas pump in the tank a youth in an orange work jacket snatched it from me. He told me he had to pump the gas as it was an Oregon State law. I asked him why the law was introduced. It was obviously not one of Obama's new green jobs. That would be too fast to put in place even for him. It was also one of these bad oil company jobs. The answer I received was "That's our nanny state government for you" The youth in the orange jacket asked if I would like to know more examples of what the nanny state government had done. He must have noticed my deer-in-the-headlights expression. I informed no thanks and I that had emigrated from a beautiful but misguided country (Scotland for those who jumped into the middle of this thread) to get away from nanny government actions and already knew what they could get up to.

      • Captain Svejk

        Yes, whip them. Whip them all into submission. Let the energizing, cool, refreshing wind of insecurity and fear breathe life into the feckless, lazy proletariate. Let the miraculous, god-glorifying power of greed and capitalism shake all the dirty scum from their parasitic lethargy. Let them whimper respectfully under their masters' boots, obedient in the knowledge that the game is already won and that all the unregulated markets have become monopolies to a single, glorious corporation that owns everything. Then we'll have true freedom.

  • Ian

    So your prediction may be true. However, I did not see any numpties or chavs in Oregon. I don't think they like Republicans in that State either. I still think you should stop talking about socialist governments and start talking about nanny governments as your fearless website master does.

  • Ian

    Have you crossed the border into Canada recently? They photograph your vehicle and you. The ask you odd (sometimes) questions that are recorded and they are entered into a data base. This all started after 9/11. I became suspicious about this when I was asked the same odd question by a prole in the little box over a period of three years. A Homeland Security employee whom I know confirmed the existence of a database. They are trying to see if you give the same answer every time. If you change your answer its off to Guantanamo Bay with you.

    This was all done by a Republican government in the last 8 years so you can't blame the Dems for this one, They are increasingly in extensive use in convenience stores and banks and stores. Criminals. who are mostly stupid, sometimes forget to wear there facemasks, Criminals committing minor crimes come from the general US population. We are on our way. Be not afraid my children, I must listen to Hannity this week I have forgotten the exact words he uses.

  • Ian

    I have a question. What happens on this site when the title for the UK 24/7 cc camera thread disappears off the bottom of the home page. I can see them advancing down the page each day.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/craigola craigola

    Very strange, all the tsking and tut-tutting about Great Britain here. There are surveillance cameras, both publicly and privately operated, in areas of my city, just like there are in yours. Remember that cool footage of the 747 landing in the Hudson River? Surveillance camera. In the absence of planes landing in the river, what would that camera be recording? Stuff. Mostly nothing, but maybe you if you pass in front of it, or the thousands of others just like it, silently monitoring all manner of public and private property, for any reason anyone can offer, good or bad. They don't seem to trigger much debate, but when they trigger any, you're guaranteed to be scolded that "if you're not doing anything wrong, you've got nothing to worry about."
    Well, they're already in place, right? And they already serve a useful purpose, or so someone official enough to decide to place them must believe, right? Well, if we're as far down that road as we are already, how hard is it to imagine their use slowly but surely being expanded to include all sorts of other purposes, like monitoring sex offenders, or maybe parolees, or maybe convicted criminals, or maybe even accused criminals in special cases, to ensure public safety, for their and their families' protection, as a cost-cutting measure, or whatever?
    Is Great Britain a tragedy, or is it just a little ahead of the curve?

    • Ian

      Good analysis. Just a little ahead of the curve. If the British or the Americans had enough policeman (I jest) unless you mean the new Truth Polce they could get really creative. Instead of having notices saying "pick up your dog's poo" and leaving it to individuals to decide whether to ignore the law/ordnance/notice or not, They could watch the whole disgusting event on the telescreen, identify the culprits owner and arrest him as soon as it takes the police car to get there. It's all for our own good, They are doing it with cameras in Scotland and the rest of the UK already. You can photographed if you are caught running traffic lights or exceeding speed limits.

      I lived in Chicago until three years ago. About the time I left Chicago they were installing the first six sets of cameras at intersections. But word from Mayor Daley was that they wereonly experimental and would only be installed at the historically most accident prone intersections. Right. If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

  • Ian

    Just a little ahead of the curve is right on the money. Did you hear about the Scotsman who received a letter from the local police with a picture of him in his car showing him exceeding a speed limit and asking him to pay a 100 pound fine. So he sent back a picture of a 100 pound banknote. The police sent him back a picture of a pair of handcuffs. So then he decided he would pay.

  • Ian

    Example 2

    The other bunch's example is from yesterday. Obama's plan to save your money for your retirement if you live in the USA, Savings bonds. He will deduct the money from your salary before you receive it, so it is not taxed and he will invest (spend) his?/your? tax money and the balance of your money in US savings bonds. All this while we are in a huge deficit which he says he will reduce. So he will take it away from you before you get it, invest it at a paltry interest rate, and give you an IOU for it to be repaid in the future at an amount reduced by inflation contributed by the future taxpayers, Perfect. Its a form of taxation that probably does not appear in the books as National debt. So he is reducing the National Debt by sleight of hand. This is a somewhat more benevolent nanny (she said she would give it back to you) We are the government and we know what is best for you, This is because you are too stupid to save your own money, for your own retirement. So it is in your best interests. This bunch starts with a capital D, but you already figured that by a process of elimination.

    • Ian

      then of course there is the government of the state of Oregon

  • Ian

    No surprises so far – right. But all the nitpicking and Britbashing about the NHS that goes on on this website consistently fails to recognise one factor. Its their NHS and they like it, Reminds me of a conversation I overheard in a Scottish pub in August 1997 when Scottish devolution was still being discussed. This was between an Englishman and a Scotsman. I think they were about to hold a referendum. Engishman "You Scots don't have any experience running your own Parliament, you are going to make all kinds of mistakes" The answer Scotsman "Away wi' ye, ye daft Sassenach numpty, at least they'll be Scottish mistakes" Something pertaining to the human condition here, I am sure Jack Mitchell or one of the other (few) sensible people on this page can make a comment on that.

    Since then the Scottish devolution has been so successful that Cornwall, Devon, the north-east, the Lake district are all thinking of doing it. I heard a few years ago that Texas was going to split off from the USA. These Texans are not as stupid as their representative in the WH until January 19 2009 would have you believe.

  • Sarah

    This is awful. How can people have freedom and privacy when they are constantly monitered? And cameras inside the home is just plain AWFUL. Nevertheless I would have fun with that. I would mock their cameras and make a fool out of myself. Hell I'd act like a terrorist or a deviant. They wanna moniter ME? They're in for a show. But I'm still glad I'm Canadian. Britian is quite possibly the last place I want to live.

  • Captain Svejk

    As much I hate the cameras, I think the health and freedom of the press is far more important and the rise of monopolistic news corporations (Fox, anyone?) is a far more "orwellian" threat to liberty. The cameras are simply a small part of an authoritarian and paranoid culture that is flourishing in the UK and the United States. An over-zealous security guard or a cop with the Patriot Act on his side is far more dangerous than any camera, and the job of the media should be intelligent and critical, rather than whipping up a climate of insecurity and fear.

    And, at least with security cameras there is such a thing as security by obscurity. It's only when we have a zealous nutcase behind it and a culture that supports angry, right-wing scapegoating of outsiders and dirty poor people that we have a real problem. And don't forget that, for all the squeaking of the right, the comfy, middle classes in the UK are the ones that wanted the "security" of the cameras in the first as much as any government agency.

    And now that the street thugs wear hoodies, they figure it was all a government plot to watch them buying their copy of the Daily Mail or to catch them when they mumble "paki" as they leave the corner shop.

    If you think cameras are the problem, you're missing the point.

  • Korious

    Take to the streets and smash the cameras in mass.Everyone get gas mask and padded clothing.Storm the CCTV and destroy it ..KIll your state representatives now especially Tony Blair.

  • adamant

    The solution is not CCTV, but CCSR, that is to say, Closed Circuit Sniper Rifles, Instead of capturing video of offending thugs, they can simply shoot the miscreants and be done with it,

  • http://www.lhhscotland.com Holiday Rentals

    It's one thing to increase the amount of CCTV camera's around in a city, town or village. But to start monitoring homes would just be perhaps in breach of human rights. Granted in various instances it would prove useful in protecting our society against terrorist activity etc but at the same time you would be invading people's rights to privacy.

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