Thanks & Regards,
Marquee Hire Tipperary

You're not only letting the lesser of two evils convince you to bend over for the worst evil behind the curtain, but you are projecting a false confusion ("which I do no fully understand") in the hopes that your fellow citizens will assimilate your poit of view by pseudo-cynical defeatism. BULL:. You understand it perfectly: The hooliganism is:

1. A reaction to the state
2. So many that they form a crowd
3. All the roving barnacles that attach to crowds
4. The result of naming crimes which do not exist
5. Pointy teen repellents on entryways to buildings? ARE YOU PEOPLE FUDGIN' SERIOUS?

A message of good will from rapidly relaunching US of A. Ain't no revolution coming (maybe a cold war on the New World Order), just an in your face blistering Renaissance.

And, at least with security cameras there is such a thing as security by obscurity. It's only when we have a zealous nutcase behind it and a culture that supports angry, right-wing scapegoating of outsiders and dirty poor people that we have a real problem. And don't forget that, for all the squeaking of the right, the comfy, middle classes in the UK are the ones that wanted the "security" of the cameras in the first as much as any government agency.

And now that the street thugs wear hoodies, they figure it was all a government plot to watch them buying their copy of the Daily Mail or to catch them when they mumble "paki" as they leave the corner shop.

If you think cameras are the problem, you're missing the point.

Amazing foresight from the "Brits". Just like George Orwell. Floyd, have you any examples of American foresight?

Your WH Rep administration of the last 8 years accelerated the cc camera love affair here and in the USA occupied territories.. What do you think was being used in Abu Graib to take all these torture pictures? See my posts elswhere on this thread on this subject.

Since then the Scottish devolution has been so successful that Cornwall, Devon, the north-east, the Lake district are all thinking of doing it. I heard a few years ago that Texas was going to split off from the USA. These Texans are not as stupid as their representative in the WH until January 19 2009 would have you believe.

I see that Co-payment means something different in the UK to the US in a health care context. Two nations divided by a common language! Yes the NHS sometimes denies treatment through bureaucratic ineptitude and stupidity and some times people die as a result. Yes, my family advises me that the NHS situation forces people into a private system because the NHS has insufficient money etc. Yes, people who have health insurance in the UK as an employment benefit tend to use it when they are sick. All of which happens in the good old USA in a slightly different manner.

The other bunch's example is from yesterday. Obama's plan to save your money for your retirement if you live in the USA, Savings bonds. He will deduct the money from your salary before you receive it, so it is not taxed and he will invest (spend) his?/your? tax money and the balance of your money in US savings bonds. All this while we are in a huge deficit which he says he will reduce. So he will take it away from you before you get it, invest it at a paltry interest rate, and give you an IOU for it to be repaid in the future at an amount reduced by inflation contributed by the future taxpayers, Perfect. Its a form of taxation that probably does not appear in the books as National debt. So he is reducing the National Debt by sleight of hand. This is a somewhat more benevolent nanny (she said she would give it back to you) We are the government and we know what is best for you, This is because you are too stupid to save your own money, for your own retirement. So it is in your best interests. This bunch starts with a capital D, but you already figured that by a process of elimination.

We are going to stay in Iraq. We are doing this to protect the homeland. We need to kill the Al Quiada there or they will come here. Pay for it? Well we don't have any money but the taxes on increased wealth from lowering taxes on the rich will pay for it. "How do you know that?" "It always works." Look at what Reagen did by lowering taxes. "In other words, we are the government and we know best. We will spend your money (or your heirs money) protecting you. This is in your best interests. This a somewhat strict nanny. Guess which bunch that is? Starts with a capital R.

I lived in Chicago until three years ago. About the time I left Chicago they were installing the first six sets of cameras at intersections. But word from Mayor Daley was that they wereonly experimental and would only be installed at the historically most accident prone intersections. Right. If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

This was all done by a Republican government in the last 8 years so you can't blame the Dems for this one, They are increasingly in extensive use in convenience stores and banks and stores. Criminals. who are mostly stupid, sometimes forget to wear there facemasks, Criminals committing minor crimes come from the general US population. We are on our way. Be not afraid my children, I must listen to Hannity this week I have forgotten the exact words he uses.

For those of you who want to learn, a minority i know. you can find the definitions of "chav" (to my surprize it made it already) "numpties" and the "great unwashed". Try Wkipedia and the Urban Dictionary, Of course we have "proles" from George Orwell (amazing foresight). Lastly an amazing statement in one of those sources:-

Corporations fear the day that the great unwashed will throw of the shackles of consumerism and ever increasing debt and focus on more imporant endeavours such as their health, family and friends.

All to be taken with a pinch of salt and a measure of humor. Like Hannity says "Do not be afraid, my child

Have you seen the women crying on CNN this morning "I don't want the President brainwashing my child on Tuesday" (not said – That's my job, how dare he move in)

You have redefined Socialism for your own purposes. No wonder the US population is scared of the word Socialism. Socialism is government ownership of the means of production for the people. The Labour government nationilized the UK Steel Industry, the Coal mining Industry, Gas, electricity etc etc. Then when they realized it was a disaster economically they changed it all back again. What a mess! If you said Maggie was too busy doing her thing to notice that she should have been exorcising the remnants of the "for the people" bit that Labour got finished. you would b more correctI thought Republicans and Conservatives (note the Large C) had economics in their genes. She did come over here to hold George W Bush's hand when she thought he was going "wobbly"

It's terrible in the USA. Not enough room to re-edit everything you said. Then to correct this they had welfare reform which must have worked well because it does not get mentioned on the state controlled media.