But what if it's not parliament that's the problem here? Liveblogging the Public Policy Forum's "Back to School" session

by kadyomalley on Wednesday, September 9, 2009 8:17am - 13 Comments

ITQ will be heading to the Westin this morning for a four-hour orgy of political metawonkery courtesy of the Public Policy Forum. Although the Chatham House Rule will bar her from liveblogging a good chunk of what is likely to be a fast, furious and fascinating exchange of views, she’ll have full coverage of the opening presentation by Nik Nanos, as well as the keynote address by Queen’s University professor — and fellow parliamentary obsessive — Ned Franks, so do check back throughout the day, starting at 10am.

Oh, and due to a last minute scheduling glitch, she’ll also be filling in for Colleague Wherry during the afternoon free-for-all on democratic reform, so if you’re planning to attend, don’t be shocked when she turns up at one of the open mics.  (That session, alas, is covered by the Rule, which is probably for the best, since liveblogging herself while trying to sound as erudite as Ian Brodie is well beyond the multitasking talents of ITQ.)

Anyway, feel free to chat amongst yourselves in the thread — and if, by chance, any ITQ readers plan to attend, do come over and say hi.

9:39:09 AM
Good morning, democratic reformers and passionate defenders of the status quo! ITQ is stationed in a hotel-calibre comfy chair just outside the Governor General room — how appropriate, no? — early, as always, and eagerly awaiting the no doubt imminent stream of wonkerati. The first order of business — which gets underway just after 10am, presuming the PPF runs its schedule like a well-oiled machine — will, as noted above, be an opening presentation by Nik Nanos; I’m not sure if he’ll have new results for us, or if he’ll just give an overview of the state of the electorate, but I’m sure it will be fascinating.

After that, it’s a little Chatham-ruled bit of business with a special live-before-a-studio-audience performance by the At Issue panel — including Colleague Coyne! — which I will not, alas, be able to liveblog, but the whole idea is to allow everyone to speak freely and without fear of nasty livebloggers recording their words for eternity, thus imbuing all present with rare and invaluable insight with which to better understand the universe. Or something like that, I sort of skimmed through the explanation on the Chatham House site.

Anyway, I just wanted to let y’all know that ITQ is present and accounted for; check back at 10am for all the non-space-filler action.

9:59:09 AM
Nanos update: Apparently, all that the Atlantic Canada numbers really show us is that the bloom is off the rose for the NDP in Nova Scotia. Everything else is muteable and depends on the margin of error. So really, pretty much what you smartypants commenters already concluded.

10:05:50 AM
And here we go! PPF president David Mitchell has hushed us all into silence, and is now wishing us a happy new year, politicalversedly speaking. He promises an interesting and lively discussion – yay! As we begin to consider the implications of another election, *he* thinks we should start thinking about how we can strengthen our institutions, including – maybe especially – parliament.

A brief recap of how it all ground to a confusing and abrupt halt last June, and then proceeded to spend the summer breaking down even further, with the fate of the Fortieth itself now hanging in limbo. Or purgatory.

Bring on Nik Nanos!

10:10:17 AM
After an intro that wraps up with a description that makes him sound like a human political mood ring, Nanos takes the stage, and points out that sometimes, back to school can be a traumatic event — children huddled in the corner in the fetal position, terrified of the leap between junior and senior kindergarten — much, he suggests, like some Canadians approach the return of parliament.

He hits us with some eerily timeless headlines from the days of Sir John A — ‘tired, scandal-ridden government’, that sort of thing — and notes that the promise of parliamentary reform — whether an elected Senate or more freedom for backbenchers — doesn’t necessarily move non-voters to the polls. Tinkering with democracy doesn’t necessarily renew it. Wait, so the low turnout isn’t entirely the fault of those of us who, as they say, chronicle the atrocities? Gosh, I hope that’s true. It keeps me *up* at night, you guys.

On the other hand, he has survey data that suggests more Canadians want citizens to have a “more direct say” in influencing public policy — from running for office to signing petitions — 61%, compared to 31% who want to leave it to the elected officials.

10:18:00 AM
Moving on, he takes us to his recent poll on minority governments — towards which 54% of the population has a positive or moderately positive reaction — and the paradox whereby what they *like* about it is the fact that it “forces parties to cooperate,” but what they *don’t* like is the sense that it is inefficient.

One more poll — looking at top of mind issues, and yes, the economy is still the tippy, although health care has skyrocketed up in recent months, and is now just seven points behind. Meanwhile, the environment has flatlined — it’s been around 8% since that magic green Christmas of 2007. (“Remember Rona Ambrose?” Nanos asks, in passing. Oh, we do. She’s still in cabinet, right?”)

10:21:55 AM
Finally, this morning’s numbers, and he says pretty much exactly the same thing he told ITQ when she cornered him and demanded that he tell her what, exactly – and statistically – was up in Atlantic Canada: the “halo effect” is gone for the NDP, and these numbers should be “troublesome” for both the NDP and the Bloc, which tends to poll much better outside of an election. (That last bit made Colleague Coyne visibly unclench, although he’s still glaring at that traitrous light blue Bloc line.)

10:23:32 AM
As far as strategy goes, Jack Layton is “the one to watch” this fall, according to Nanos — not in the sense that he may surprise us all and sweep the country orange, but because he’s the one who may ultimately decide whether we have an election this fall.

That’s it for Nik — and for ITQ, for the moment. The At Issue panel is Chatham’d, so I won’t be able to liveblog it — you’ll just have to bug Colleague Coyne to tell you what *he* had to say.

The liveblog will pick up again at 12:20ish, which is when Ned Franks will tell us — or possibly ask us; punctuation can make these things so ambiguous — “Parliament and Public Policy: What’s to be done?”

12:22:24 PM
And we’re back — sorry for disappearing on y’all like that, but the At Issue panel turned out to be *totally* fascinating, although I’m not entirely sure what, if anything, I can say as far as the opinions that were imparted, because it seems as though reporting anything that was said *verbatim* (or nearly so) would make it easy to identify the speaker, thus defeating the Chatham House Rule.

12:26:38 PM
“Where shall I begin,” Franks muses. “Saskatchewan, 1964,” is the answer, it turns out — that’s where he learned that governments actually *can* do things — good things — for the country. He then segues to an AA Milne quote – which can’t help but make ITQ think of Dorothy Parker – and then Kim Campbell’s prophetic comment that an election campaign is no place to discuss the issues. Oh, if only she’d been wrong.

And then it’s off to a – yikes, a spreadsheet on the comparative budgets of provincial governments, with Ontario as the zero, spending the least per citizen — “less than it should,” Franks avers, particularly considering the need for a “first class educational system,” not to mention infrastructure and the “cities of the future”. Then it’s another chart on “provincial inequalities”, but I don’t think it can be summed up in liveblog format; he does suggest that this may be part of the “death of the St. Lawrence”. I’m assuming he’s not talking about zebra mussels.

12:33:19 PM
So, what does he see as the big issues on the federal political scene? Pretty much what you’d expect — provincial inequalities, aging population, aboriginal communities, that sort of thing. He then whips out a truly eyebrow raising chart that shows the percent of bills given Royal Assent, from 1945 to 2009, which dwindles from the mid-nineties to just 48% for the current occupants. Wow. I didn’t realize it was *that* low. The House, the next slide reveals, also meets for far fewer sitting days than in the past; an average of 105 days since 2004.

12:38:57 PM
He touches on one of the reasons *why* parliament is ‘a fractious and unpleasant place’ — the fact that there is no particular inclination on the part of one of the two major parties to work with one of the others, which – in fairness – has more to do with the quirky nature of the Canadian ideological landscape than some sort of organizational sociopathy.

12:41:52 PM
A little more about committees — and the tenure of deputy ministers, which Franks seems to think is far too short. He reminds us that this is *our* public service — Canadians, that is — not the government’s.

12:42:56 PM
A closing — maybe closing — anecdote about the “dumbing down” of Canadian politics: When Ignatieff made what turned out to be the fatal mistake of acknowledging that yes, someday it might be necessary to raise taxes, which the Conservatives promptly turned into the leading talking point for the next three months, eventually driving him to say, a few weeks ago, that no, he *wouldn’t* raise taxes.
At some point, Franks thunders, *someone* is going to have to act like a grownup and admit that paying down deficits requires one of three things: tax increases, spending cuts, or increasing the monetary supply – and we all remember how that latter has worked out in the past.

12:47:09 PM
“And now,” he concludes, “you’re all wondering what I think about the prospect of an election.” His answer? “I. Have. No. Idea.” Man, I wish we could get away with that.

That’s it for the speech — I’ll try to post a few highlights from the discussion, if anything fascinating comes up and I can suitably obscure the identities of the participants. Otherwise, check back later for a summing-up, or something like that.

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  • an online reader

    " any ITQ readers plan to attend, do come over and say hi."

    Please get some of your high rate contributors or Mcleans to donate their thumbs to help you ? Filling in for Wherry what a rip off . I could stay up til midnight reading your coverage of this event . When will Waterloo come up with a thought berry ?

  • Livebloggin Junkie

    Thanks for the link to the Chatam House Rule, it's nice to learn something new everyday.
    According to the rule, I think, you can still liveblog, you just can't say who said what. I would have gone if not for the lack of $, and besides, getting the ITQ version is better value for money anyways!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/PolJunkie PolJunkie

    Thank you for liveblogging this one Kady. I was so annoyed for not being able to attend. This is the next best thing.

  • Bonnie N

    Interesting Kady
    So Nanos is saying the NDP should blink but will they?

    Is it possible that the Harper government bullied by the polls will seek to dissolve parliament and go to the GG well one more time?

    Just asking…

    • Gawd

      that's wishful thinking as much as harper should have a majority

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ed_Sweeney Ed_Sweeney

    Its interesting to see the mental gymnastics that political pundits will go through, especially if they are presenting something like a keynote. Set up some relatively clear points, thunder out a strong conclusion, and then offer up enough supporting material to get a least a few nodding heads in the crowd. Franks offers up a conclusion – that there are only three ways that the deficit can be turned around: spending cuts, tax increases or printing more money. He misses a much more obvious option, obvious because it is simply the reversal of the cause. What created the deficit budgets? A sharp downturn in the economy. What is the effect of a sharp upturn in the economy? Oh yeah, there is a fourth option. Of course presenting them as options is flawed because they are all contributing factors.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ed_Sweeney Ed_Sweeney

    Who is the 'Who' on the panel – in the tag. Is that a specific who, or a general who?

    • Gawd

      who could it be…..who could it be………who could it be………………??!?!!???

  • an online reader

    I enjoyed the gymnastics , of Canadians picking up on how much the American medicare battle will effect us . of a sitting Government not trying to run on its record (and being allowed to succeed ) , need the political wisdom / power to divide tree huggers by Province / meet behind closed doors to be remembered and a jouralist so dedicated they avoid being the story .

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

    Everything else is muteable and depends on the margin of error. So really, pretty much what you smartypants commenters already concluded.

    Hey, we've all been called worse… ;)

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

    The House, the next slide reveals, also meets for far fewer sitting days than in the past; an average of 105 days since 2004.

    Help me out here. How many election campaigns per annum have we had between 2004 and 2008, and how does that rate compare with, say, 1867-2003? I am not sure that we can ascribe the lower number of "sitting days" to much else.

    or increasing the monetary supply – and we all remember how that latter has worked out in the past.

    Apparently, we all do not remember. See government spending, 2008-10, for most of the developed world, but most stunningly see Washington DC. So we all will have to pay for it sooner or later.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

    Taxes – someone needs to grow up ….hmmm…. I think it's us. Tell the voters the truth and they'll turn their back on you. Lie like hell and they love you.

    I think the voters can take most of the responsibility here.

  • http://demosthenes.blogspot.com Demosthenes

    Katy, Chatham House means you can tell people what was said during the panel, you just can't say who said what.

    If it were a clear left/center/right division between the panelists, but might be different. But come on. If there was a small "l" liberal on that panel, it wouldn't BE that panel. Nobody's going to be able to tell.

    As for the "three options"… what happened, exactly, that makes option 3 a non-starter? Anybody who seriously thinks inflation is an issue in a period where the pressure on prices and wages is downward is just being dumb. A bit of inflation isn't exactly a bad idea, especially if the "double dip" that the press is so carefully avoiding discussion of takes place.

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