John Parisella

John Parisella

John Parisella

John Parisella writes about U.S. politics from his vantage point as the former Delegate-General in New York City for Quebec. Follow John on Twitter:  @JohnParisella

The Palin Republicans

by John Parisella on Monday, September 14, 2009 4:08pm - 203 Comments

The Palin Republicans No one can deny that the GOP, celebrating 155 years of existence this year, has been a significant factor in the American polity. The Republicans have won 22 presidential elections to the Democrats’ 16, and can lay claim to the one president that transcended partisan politics–Abraham Lincoln. No Democratic president in history comes close, not even FDR. Lincoln’s leadership in the civil war and his abolition of slavery are often portrayed as American achievements as opposed to Republican successes. The GOP has also had at least three dominant periods in which they fashioned social, economic, and international policy: 1893 to 1912, 1921 to 1933 and 1980 to 2008. There were excesses along the way but, generally speaking, the party’s history revolves around a legitimate conception of America and how it should be governed. That has been true until this year.

Ever since Obama’s inauguration, the Republicans have struggled to gain any traction as a viable alternative. Since then, Obama’s approval numbers have gone down sharply, but the Republicans have not benefited in any noticeable way. Last week’s silly outburst by Joe Wilson, a Republican from South Carolina, may have made him a hero to Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and the rest of the lunatic right. But it did little to make his party seem like legitimate counterweight to the Democrats. Similarly, this Saturday’s Tea Party protests seem grassroots enough, but the rhetoric emerging from its spokespersons leaves the impression that the Republican party is now just a party of protest. It is no longer playing the role of the guardian of conservatism. Consider, for instance, how Sarah Palin’s false charges of death panels did little other than derail a legitimate debate on health care reform. As a result, the battle over health care is now an intra-party contest within the Democratic party.

What is astonishing is how the Republican leadership seems oblivious to all this. It is now obvious the Democrats have given up on getting any bipartisan support regarding healthcare reform or on climate change legislation. You would expect more support from the GOP on the economy considering that many of the initiatives were started by George Bush, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, and Federal Reserve Chairman, Ben Bernanke, a Republican nominee. Same goes for Sonia Sotomayor’s nomination to the Supreme Court. Even John McCain, a moderate Republican and the co-author of an immigration reform bill with Ted Kennedy, voted against her. Sotomayor was not a controversial choice and represented an opportunity for the GOP to make inroads with Hispanics. On health care, according to many observers, some of the GOP’s ideas will make their way into the final package and there is a real possibility that the dreaded public option will be dropped. At the end of the day, the image conveyed at Obama’s speech last week was that of a bunch of grumpy white men sitting on their hands and contributing very little to the debate.

Is it too late for the Republicans? No, not if the Senate Finance committee comes up with a proposal that has potential to garner some bipartisan support down the road. Still, Sarah Palin’s missive I referenced above has come to symbolize the shallow, oppose-at-all-costs approach to public policy that has dominated the public discourse since last January. Quite frankly, Palin energizes a base that talk radio hosts like Limbaugh and Beck use to exploit fear and misinformation. Even McCain, who keeps defending Palin, sometimes with apparent discomfort, contradicts her view on the death panels. And yet, Palin leads many polls for the 2012 Republican nomination and will draw huge crowds once she hits the speech circuit this fall—this, despite how pathetic she was in interviews with Katie Couric of CBS and Charles Gibson of ABC when tasked with explaining policy. As long as her views drive the debate away from any reasonable proposals coming from Republicans in Congress, the GOP will remain marginal in the debate over any policy direction.

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  • Luke

    This never ending whine about bipartisanship sickens me. Every time we are "bipartisan" it's our principles that are squashed, shoved aside and trampled. All in the name of having some spineless republican hold hands with some grinning Democrat.

  • Sage

    Another Obama apologist agency. All opponents are exploiting fear & racism, I'm sure. You morons are all so predictable.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/sunflowers sunflowers

    This is one of the most irrelevant articles I'v e ever read because I cannot find too much in it that is true.

    • Nicolas P

      Look closer ;)

  • John

    "silly outburst", that sounds like a "girly" way of describing Joe Wilson's shout-out. Count me as one lunatic standing with Limbaugh and Beck, proud to. For too long the left have enjoyed a double standard of treatment in the media. The old republicans, you may fit right in, have always been cowardly and submissive to the dems, but no more! We will clean our own house without any help from you. The wacko left are weighing themselves down and doing a fine job of it with our help.

  • Kapok

    I love to here Liberals on both sides of the border offering Republicans advice.

    We Republicans don't have to do much at all. Obama is going to implode. He promised the world, no one investigated his background, and he surfed a financial crisis.

    What he promised and continues to promise is un-doable. He is going to make himself an example to the American public.

    All the Republican party really needs to do is hold to the same principles it has always held to, and the pendulum will swing in its direction.

    What it doesn't need to do is pay attention to the advice of folks who oppose it.

  • Brian

    “…the one president that transcended partisan politics–Abraham Lincoln. No Democratic president in history comes close, not even FDR. Lincoln’s leadership in the civil war and his abolition of slavery are often portrayed as American achievements as opposed to Republican successes”

    The historical stupidity of people knows no bounds! Lincoln was the biggest partisan hack in his era! The man had NO desire to “reach across the isle”, had other political leaders, and citizens arrested simply for disagreeing with him, violated to US Constitution during his entire presidency, (suspending the write of habeas corpus, raising troops with out having war declared, than declaring war himself where all of these actions are the sole job of congress not the president!) and to top it off never freed a single slave in his entire life! (If you think the emancipation freed the slaves than I suggest you read it!)

    Lincoln was a tyrant, and you people think he was the greatest president in history. If the founders were alive during Lincoln’s term in office they would have had him hung!

  • http://twitter.com/MinneMike @MinneMike

    Consider me not a Palin Republican but a Palin Conservative. Sarah Palin is the antidote to big government Obama. If you look at general election patterns over the existence of US politics, you see voters choosing their next president by what they are not as well as who s/he is. Obama won because he ran against Bush in the midst of an economic crisis and an unpopular war.

    In a sense, Obama is Sarah Palin's best possible set-up man.

  • TomM

    The fact that you use the phrase “false charges of death panels” indicates that you have no idea what Obama has been talking about, or what is in any of the proposed bills, or what Obama’s advisors have been talking about.

  • graywolf

    So, if you don't agree with the socialist demcong, that makes you:
    stupid, racist, rude and generally not acceptable to…….a bunch of no-talent journalism majors who think of themselves as the "elite" media AKA a division of the demcong party?
    Sign me up.
    At least I'm not in that terrorist sanctuary with bad medical care – Canada.

    • kandu

      Idiocy has a name -graywolf!

  • CanadianIndependent

    Do you know what racism is? Racism is thinking on the viewpoint of color. If the conservatives are against socialist/liberal policies for the 'FIRST TIME' because of Obama, you can call them that. BUT NO. Their key principles are and will always be against government takeover. Plus, I don't think Reid, Pelosi, Frank, Rangel, Daschle, etc. are black. conservatives are also EQUALLY CRITICAL OF THESE LIBERALS.

    In a post-racial society, anyone who wants to use the race card must think hard. Because, if you falsely accuse somebody to be a racist … YOU BECOME A RACIST BY WAY OF YOUR STANDARD.

    Note. Abortion is historically a tool of eugenics. The tool of Democrats to control the black population in America. If you know your history.

    Now, as for death panel, you SHOULD READ PALIN'S FB notes and argue with her if it is false. Truth be told, rationing bureaucrats are already installed under TARP. Note that when there's a rationing of health care like in UK's NHS, you will always have a "death panel" to retire costly but unproductive citizens who are burdens to the cost of health care. JUST LIKE HERE IN CANADA.

    BTW, I'm a libertarian. I think Obama's policies are not libertarians … they are more of SOCIALIST/MARXIST POLICIES.

  • Kapok

    I'm a great fan of Lincolm and respect him emensely. He wasn't fool enought to "reach across the isle" when the end result made no sense.

    "The Party of Lincoln" hs a nice ring to it. It is too bad that many of those whom he freed have strayed from the GOP.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jim708 Jim708

    Lincoln "transcended partisan politics"? Huh?

    John, did you miss the tiny little coinkydink that a fair number of states said so long to the Union when he was elected? Mybe you heard about it? The American Civil War?

    Very possibly the MOST devisive president the US ever had.

  • dan m

    go to the tea parties and listen. go to your friends and tell them. the tax paying public has been screwed and now their figuring out just how bad. real genuine americans remember pearl harbor. what is it about a sneak attack? bo is bs, but thats ok, it will just prove the point even more. bs was a fool for taking the job… true americans aren't stupid! we save people from snake bite…

  • http://www.fxretracer.blogspot.com fxretracer

    Typical elitist rhetoric that demonstrates exactly whats wrong with this country, its politics and Hollywood perfectly.
    Lots of right on comments here. Saves me the trouble of having to lambaste this article myself, thanks folks. hehe.

  • Western Canadian

    Hmmm a Canadian mag commenting about Palin.Seems as usual you are taking the typical easterner stance.Palins bad,shes evil,she hunts,comercial fishes,raises 5 kids,ran a state gov.Are you serious she is not mainstream?What part of free markets do you libs not understand,oh ya its that free part.Heres a few not main stream things(in your opinion) you might consider if you had a brain easterner.Lowest tax rates in America,billions saved in states treasury,education budget paid 2 years in advance,unemployment level even during this crisis kept to or below 8%.A massive cng pipeline deal negotiated,federal earmarks reduced by 85%,hundreds of millions cut in wasteful spending.Hundreds of millions for weatherization,renewable energy,home heating oil rebates.Supream court victory to open a massive gold mine providing jobs and royalties to an impovrished local native band.Thousands given in rebates to every man woman and child in AK each year,83% reduction in medical backlogs.Strictist ethics reforms laws ever passed in her states history.Which ended backroom deals,by making the legislators and administrators deal on camera in public,with big oil.Just a few things you people who write this nonsense think isnt mainstream.Palin rocks.

    • Nicolas P

      ''Hmmm a Canadian mag commenting about Palin'' … ''you might consider if you had a brain easterner''

      Well, you are presently in the ''international'' ''blog'' section… Meaning that it is an ''opinion'' on an ''international subject''.

      Might not be your opinion, but you've got to respect it.

  • http://gapingwhole.wordpress.com/ Em.

    Palin is such a polemical figure (as is obvious by these comments). I can't imagine, if things stay the way there are now, that the Republicans would want to put her front and center in 2012. Wouldn't it make more sense, strategy-wise, to throw their weight behind someone with a less divisive public image?

    • hosertohoosier

      Palin isn't likely to win (or even run) in 2012. Partisan shills like Parisella like showcasing her and Bush because they daren't actually discuss the record of their man in Washington. It is essentially shadow-boxing, and pretty ironic shadow-boxing considering that Democrats were the ones wearing "dissent is patriotic" bumper-stickers, etc. not too long ago. This is an age old tactic that goes back at least to McCarthyism (and one Republicans use too). For the most part it is idiotic and involves drawing lines between groups that don't exist (I would characterize opposition to Obama more as being Paul/Gingrich than Palin Republicans – these aren't warmongering social conservatives, these are anti-government types).

  • joetheelectrician

    I am glad to see that SARAH is scoring big time . She is unstoppable .

  • Doug Stewart

    Our American friends do not need any lexture or finger pointing to recognize the obvious short comings of Sarah Palin. All I feel is a degree of embarrassment for my American friends with this public display disguised as serious politics.

    Doug

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

      Hear hear. One must stand with our liberal American friends in solidarity. Imagine living in a country in which opinions like the ones up top here are nearly mainstream. Our friends need all the sympathy they can get.

      At the same time, I'm also cheering for the non-lunatic Republicans, who I pray may eventually emerge and ditch the zanies. It will be very hard to do so, of course, and presumably Obama will get a second term while the non-lunatic Republicans try and recuperate. The transitional phase will be dangerous, however, since if Obama slips badly and somehow loses, a genuine psychopath from the as-yet-unreconstructed Republicans may assume the throne of Washington. I can't imagine how harrowing that would be — certainly so for us, but a hundred times more so for our American friends.

  • kandu

    The Palin LOONIES are out in full force . The woman ,Palin ,cannot do an interview . Has no idea what the Bush doctrine is . Cannot name more than one Supreme Court ruling . She left Alaska and approval numbers were dropping like a rock . She is a far right demagogue who uses her kids as props . Much of what I have read is racist and hateful .Dangerous people who just prove the Republicans are in a sorry state .

  • narciso

    Actually, she had been a party to the Exxon Valdez case, which any half decent researcher for Katie Couric would have found it out. As a mayor and governor, she would be very concerned with the Kelo case. Her convention speech took issue with a whole line of cases, that departed from precedent, starting with Hamdi to Boumedienne, that gave terrorists, Miranda rights. She published Op Ed in the Times, (on the Polar Bear question) that the Obama Interior Department adopted, and letters to the editor to theSan Francisco Chronicle, again, She had to to tow the policy line of the McCain campaign on issues like
    cap n trade, and the TARP bill. She should have emphasized missile
    defense. considering the strategic location of Ft. Greeley, rather than follow a template about Diomede Island, chances are Couric wouldn't have been able to follow that either.. Gibson edited out all the context
    from her questions on relations with the Russians and the Georgia issue, among other issues
    could have found out

  • actual canadian

    Hi crazed white gop basement hate-on mob, why don't you posters try to do something creative/constructive for your country rather than spamming a news site.

  • Hope

    Why are Obama supporters so braindead?

  • CatCatCat

    And this is why I refuse to vote in elections. These are the people whose views the government is supposed to represent? Lowest common denominator politics indeed. No wonder nothing ever gets done in this nation! Or the US, for that matter. Everyone's too concerned with hating the opposition and arguing against whatever they say, regardless of how ridiculous one's own "solution" is, and it's happening on both sides. Governments can't get anything done because they're more concerned with getting elected (by uneducated voters swayed by fear, personal gain or the promise of avoiding personal loss, and sound bites, at that!) than actually getting stuff done and improving the country… countries. But the fault lies in the voters most of all.

    I'm rather surprised at what appears to be a large number of American comment-writers here on a Canadian news magazine site, though. We're not supposed to matter! We're just Canadians! :P

    By the way, people dislike Sarah Palin because she apparently can relate to the voters I mentioned above who prefer politicians who appear similar to them on a superficial level instead of educated politicians who not only care about fixing problems but actually have realistic ideas on how to implement them. Well… realistic in the logical sense. And logic isn't something that's very common these days, it seems, in either party or either country.

  • jean

    The battle over healt care was already a intra-party contest within the
    democratic party.
    Now, John, CatCatCat, Kandu, If you consider how Sarah Palin from
    only one Facebook page did little other than kill the death panels provisision , derail the entire public option in this 1000 + pages bill, you should ask yourself seriously why .

  • Seamus

    This is simply a leadership void and I'm afraid this will go on for 2 election cycles before the republicans come out of the woods. Until then, via Palin and Limbauch and Beck and the Club for Growth and the tea part …
    Toronto moving

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Nich Nich

    "extrapolating from the known behaviour of bureaucracies and public servants in a situation where they might make life-or-death treatment decisions,"

    Any evidence to support this, or does the tingle in your left knee let you know you are right?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

    Even if we assume that your unsupported claim of death panels is true, who would you rather have sitting on such a panel? A collection of medical experts and elected representatives whose continued employment relies on not pissing off too many people, or a single insurance adjuster whose bonus relies upon not spending too much money?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/YYZ YYZ

    I get why you don't think Palin has been given a fair shake.

    But please articulate for me: what do you like about this women? Why do you think she is qualified to run the United States of America? Would should be your number one pick? Even in your top 10?

  • http://theplaceofbiff.blogspot.com biff

    Palin engaged in one of the worst sort of conduct in our "progressive" age of fine sensibilities, correct speak, and moral equavalencies:

    she spoke bluntly.

    Rationing is part of every public system. It was also spoken of by Rham Emmanual's brother, and Obama advisor, and even Obama himself (give "grandma the painkiller instead"). Combine that with the provision which mandates doctors to discuss end of life "alternatives" with the elderly, and you've got technocrats making health care decisions.

    Suggesting rationing certain treatments may mean premature death for those already close to death is simply logical.

    Unless one's bought wholecloth into Obama's healthspeak utopia, where if we just left government run it, we can have it all: more care, less cost, higher quality, no tradeoffs!

  • hubbie

    I fail to see anything stupid or horrible about this woman, maybe I just don't have your wisdom, it would be good to see your list of accomplishments and compare so I will be able to see what you mean,( sitting on your large celuouse cushion in front of your puter and spewing poision dont count,) thank you

  • MIchael

    I 2nd Palin in 2012. Obama is a communist and a disaster

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/avr avr

    You've made it this far in your life without ever having to deal with a large institutional bureaucracy that gave you the brush-off and refused to provide you with an adequate level of service, explain the reasoning behind an apparently bizarre or unfair outcome, or be held accountable for their failures? Kudos to you, sir.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/avr avr

    You've made it this far in your life without ever having to deal with a large institutional bureaucracy that gave you the brush-off and refused to provide you with an adequate level of service, explain the reasoning behind an apparently bizarre or unfair outcome, or be held accountable for their failures? Kudos to you, sir; I envy your luck.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/avr avr

    The insurance adjuster. If you don't like his decision, you can always pay out of pocket.

    If you can't afford that, then you're no worse off anyway. In a scenario where the experts and political hacks are the final arbiter of what care you're allowed to receive, that's not necessarily true.

  • Anon

    "Even if we assume that your unsupported claim of death panels is true…"

    Why should anyone have to assume that? It's up to avr to provide evidence for it.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

    Ah, so you simply don't know what you're talking about. Okay.

    Please tell me how paying out of your pocket is any less of an option with a public panel deciding than a profit-motivated panel?

    And second, how are you more worse off if a public panel denies you coverage than if a private company denies you coverage? Does the public panel send an anthrax infected letter or something? Because I certainly didn't see that anywhere in the legislation.

  • John

    He is angry, very angry, because once upon a time somebody drained his pond and left him temporarily high and dry. What he doesn't realize is the bureaucrat in charge of the drain plug was an employee of a private company that used to be under government control until some Reaganite privatized the operation.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

    A simple "no" would have sufficed.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/YYZ YYZ

    Not me…unfortunately, I've had to deal with many insurance companies.

  • John

    You're all wet, but then you are a hippopotamus, so it's normal.

  • Lifer

    The Republican party, that grand coalition of bigots, southern white dunces, flat-world believing anti-intellectuals, statists, and crony-corporatists, has been confirmed as issuing no less than 935 demonstrable falsehoods about the Iraq war. According to the Centre for Public Integrity, they determined that the statements “were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanised public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretences.”

    When the Republicans let the country be attacked by terrorists, start then loose two foreign wars, allow two recessions, produce zero jobs over 8 years, destroy a decade's worth of capital, and then give the banks a get out of jail card because Hank Paulson was one of them, its the dirty unserious liberals who are to blame.

    Only the feckless MSM and the right wing zombies give these retards any credence. Their argument against Obama is that he's a Muslim, a foreigner, a communist, a fascist, a socialist, a Marxist revolutionary, the son-of-Hitler, the son-of-Castro, the anti-Christ….

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/TJCook TJCook

    I've dealt with insurance companies too. Painful and frustrating.

    I've also dealt extensively with Canada's health care system for more than 30 years. I have yet to meet a "bureaucrat" who was anything less than professional, efficient, and totally responsive to what the doctors and I wanted.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/TJCook TJCook

    Oh great, now avr is going to start insisting that anthrax letters are totally a reasonable extrapolation of the proposed letters.

    Also: booga booga! Bureaucrats!

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/TJCook TJCook

    Oh great, now avr is going to start insisting that anthrax letters are totally a reasonable extrapolation of the proposed legislation.

    Also: booga booga! Bureaucrats!

  • scf

    Is this a trick question? Because it seems obvious.

    -If a public panel denies you, you have no recourse, there is no alternative
    -You are forced to pay into a public panel, regardless of whether you want to or not

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/YYZ YYZ

    Is this a trick question? Because it seems obvious.

    -An insurance adjustor is obviously interested denying you coverage – afterall, that's how he gets a bonus
    -A bunch of civil servants are likely to be more compassionate. Afterall, they didn't become insurance adjustors.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

    As opposed to the wide range of alternatives you have when a private insurer denies you? How are any more of your options denied?

    For your second reason, that has nothing to do with "death panels" or whether you receive proper care, which is what this was about. Although I'll grant it's a nice red herring.

  • ABarlow

    Why isn't there an alternative? None of the policies proposed in the United States suggested either that
    1) Private insurance would not be available to those who prefer it
    2) You would not be able to pay out of pocket if the plan did not provide you with the coverage that you desire.

    I haven't seen any indication that the proposed bills are trying to emulate the Canadian system where the government has the exclusive monopoly on health coverage. I don't think such a thing would be feasible in that country, and may well not be constitutional.

  • Amor de Cosmos

    The argument against Obama is that he is an arrogant dumb luck statist incompetent supported by risible ideologues.

  • McConservative

    Bill Buzenberg is the Center’s fourth executive director. As vice president of news and information at National Public Radio from 1990 to 1997, he was responsible for launching Talk of the Nation, as well as the expansion of All Things Considered and the extension of NPR’s newscasts services to 24 hours a day.

    NPR…hardly non-partisan. That's all I need toknow that your post is BS.

  • Raquel

    "The Republican party, that grand coalition of bigots, southern white dunces, flat-world believing anti-intellectuals,"

    Any ounce of credibility, common decency, or notion of intelligence you might would have had is lost…..

    As for the rest of your post…its so full of holes that swiss cheese is jealous!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gazinya Gazinya

    Well you are right about one thing. It quesonably, took 935 well crafted lies to get the dems to go to war with Bush but please remember it took only ONE lie, the gulf of tonkin lie, from LBJ to send 500,000 Amercan soldiers to Viet Nam. And that lie cost more than 55,000 American deaths and 300,000 wonded. I guess it is true. Democrats are much better liers than Repbubs. I give up, you win the argument.

  • dogwalker

    ah, namecalling, the last resort of people who can't argue cogently. You, sir, exhibit bigoted behavior (look it up, then reread your own post) who can only engage in ad hominem attacks. Shame on you.

  • Adam

    "The Republican party…has been confirmed as issuing no less than 935 demonstrable falsehoods about the Iraq war."

    It's called politics. I wish somebody would post a count of the democrats "demonstrable falsehoods".

  • http://theplaceofbiff.blogspot.com biff

    Any time one writes off one party in a two party system you know they're barking up the wrong tree.

    A few points: more americans identify themselves as "conservatives" now than at any time in the last 15 years.

    The generic congressional ballot has the R's and D's almost even after the dems had a huge lead just a year ago.

    Most polling experts expect the R's to make significant gains, with many now suggesting they may retake the House in the 2010 mid-terms.

  • Amor de Cosmos

    Shhh. You are screwing up the narrative.

  • Amor de Cosmos

    A point lost on the author of the piece may be that on large issues (healthcare and cap and trade) Republicans might want as much daylight between them and Democrats as possible. Politically, it makes sense to let the Dems own these turkeys, just like the Stimulus.

    2010 will not be a year well rembered by the Left. Backlash and hard.

  • parched husk

    If by "polling experts" you mean "right wing nutbags", "significant gains" you mean "insignificant gains" and "retake the House" you mean "remain as hopelessly in the minority as they have been in living memory", then yes.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/doug_rogers doug_rogers

    Insurance companies don't ration?

  • andrew

    The insurance adjuster has his bottom line- save the company money and get bonuses for himself- the civil servant, ( not necessarily either civil or your servant!) has his bottom line. There is only so much money available, demand will exceed supply ( still longer wait times for MRI's just annnounced in BC) there will be rationing, and his job will be to execute ( so to speak!) this mandate. One can always sue the insurance company- usually, appealing a bureaucrats ruling is not a viable option. There are horror stories a plenty in countries like Canada and Great Britain who have single payer health care systems. We have to find a way to give everyone insurance coverage without going down that path.

  • joetheelectrician

    the US can't afford health care , so let's keep the status quo until the next Republican president .

  • John

    And I thought the "lunatic fringe" was the decoration on a straitjacket — silly me.

  • scf

    more compassionate? are you kidding me? It's just the obvious, at least they have to win your business. Anyone with any experience of government agencies knows they don't care whether you are there or not.

  • scf

    meant to say "opposite", not "obvious"

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/avr avr

    false charges of death panels

    As long as you believe this is "false," as opposed to "extrapolating from the known behaviour of bureaucracies and public servants in a situation where they might make life-or-death treatment decisions," you will lose the health care debate. Period. Full stop.

    Obama's plans are bogged down because he's gone to the well too many times on the strength of his personal charisma; his policy promises are already being treated with the same credibility as those of a lame-duck seventh-year administration. The meme spread because it was emblematic of everything conservatives consider wrong with a pervasive expansion of publicly funded care, given that; lack of an explicit "death panel" provision in any bill currently before Congress is irrelevant.

    And yet, Palin leads many polls for the 2012 Republican nomination and will draw huge crowds once she hits the speech circuit this fall

    Funny how so many people refuse to accept the media common wisdom, and won't just acknowledge that that horrible woman is so stupid and evil, isn't it? Must be awfully frustrating for you.

  • Blues Clair

    "Backlash and hard."

    Or not.

  • T.W.

    Dear John,

    Grow up.

    Sincerley,

    A Concerned Canadian Citizen

  • hosertohoosier

    Speaking purely from a strategic standpoint, it isn't clear to me that the GOP loses by indulging its party activists, nor did the Democrats by doing the same. Americans are deeply polarized. When elections take place in an environment of heavy polarization and with a small center, they become turnout wars rather than contests to sway centrist voters. Building a strong base is something that starts early in an election cycle. Where would Obama be without the Iraq war protests, moveon.org, etc. – all organizations that did their time being called "loonies" before being thrust into power.

    Centrist candidates have not fared well this past decade. John McCain nominated Sarah Palin largely because he had a dire shortage of campaign workers and money. He needed somebody to fire up the base. John Kerry similarly ran as a bland centrist, and lost the election despite winning the majority of independents. Similarly, Hillary Clinton lost in the primaries because she was vastly out-organized and opposed by the activist wing of the Democratic party.

    When people get their news from either Olbermann/Maddow/Stewart or Glen Beck/O'Reilly/Limbaugh is it any surprise that most American voters look like they are foaming at the mouth (and we Canadians appear set to head that way ourselves)?

  • Lifer

    I'm jealous of you sweetie-pie!

    It must be wonderful living in a Manichean world divided by left and right, good and evil, and white and black.

    Of course, I know you're unable to actually address any of the above statements, because that would challenge that your leaders are frauds, your movement is anything other than greed masquerading as morality, and the majority of you and your ilk are the ones holding humanity back as you drag your knuckles through the temples of unregulated capitalism.

  • Lifer

    Shame on me? Why because I said the obvious?

    Oh… like Republican Con. Joe Wilson from S. Carolina? Yeah.. a good ole' boy from the South. Right!

    Well your Average Joe happens to be a member of a right wing group called 'Sons of Confederate Veterans,' a group according to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) that is organized by radical neo-Confederates who favor secession and defend slavery as a benign institution. The group's leader, another self-appointed man of the cloth, one Rev. Eric Dean has attacked "racial interbreeding" as ungodly and described slavery as biblically sanctioned.

    How about former Republican Senator George Allen who used the racially tinged slur Macaca to insult another "colored" fellow with dubious American citizenship during the 2006 elections? No racism there!

    How about Republican David Duke, a former grand-wizard of the KKK who received 40% of the vote while running for governor of LA?

    Of course there is the King of all loud-mouth, self-righteous, bigoted, and racist media Rush "pass me my Oxycontin" Limbaugh, who said, "I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."

    Hypocrisy isn't a dance buddy.

  • Lifer

    On the Bush White House web page for nearly three years the following could be found:

    Hussein's possession of 26,000 liters of anthrax, 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin, 1,000,000 pounds of sarin gas, mustard gas, and VX nerve gas, along with 30,000 munitions to deliver these agents…uranium from Niger to be used in nuclear bombs,..al Qaeda terrorists closely associated with Hussein

    When you find those missing WMD's in Syria, there McCON let the rest of us in the Alternative Universe know so we can all do a cakewalk together.

  • TWmakesmelaugh

    LOL
    Very ''mature'' comment! :D
    Thanks for the laughs!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/danby danby

    I hear his real name is Vladymir…..

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/danby danby

    I hear his real name is Vladimir…..

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

    If I'd waited for avr to provide evidence, we both know I'd never have had the chance to make my point that it's a non-issue in any event.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

    While I understand the desire to support Alcan during these tough economic times, I do wish you'd stop egging them on.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

    You're welcome to do the research. What are you, some sort of lazy liberal?

  • Jack M

    Up till Jan 2000, it was the Dems and the UN claiming Saddam had oodles of chemical weapons. Bushie got his numbers from Billy Clinton. Love the way you partisan types ca flip flop so fast without getting whiplash.

  • Adam

    You do realize that was rhetorical right?

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