UPDATED: What did ITQ tell you about breaking out those party hats?

by kadyomalley on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:36am - 77 Comments

And how you might not want to do it just yet? Well, she’s sticking by that caveat, because at the moment, the short-to-medium-give-or-take-a-few-weeks fate of the 40th Parliament rests in the increasingly clammy hands of NDP Leader Jack Layton, and in the fine print of the employment insurance reform package that he was so quick to call a “very serious proposition” earlier this week, and which the government is planning to table later today.

The early reviews from his union brothers and sisters , however, have not been encouraging. Canadian Auto Workers Union president Ken Lewenza has already dismissed it as “crumbs for the unemployed” that will do little to help “the vast majority of the unemployed” — an argument that is further laid out in what, for the NDP, is likely detail excruciating in every possible way, in this morning’s Globe and Mail:

The Conservatives’ EI proposal would help only “long-tenured workers,” those who have contributed to the EI program for at least seven out of 10 calendar years and who have received regular EI benefits for no more than 35 weeks in the past five years. It would extend their benefits by between five and 20 weeks.

But as Toronto labour economist Armine Yalnizyan points out, the program’s restrictions act against the nature of much of Canada’s industry – manufacturing, the oil patch, forestry and, increasingly, the service sector – that is subject to periodic layoffs.

Plus, she said, the government is not addressing what the program was designed to be: an economic stabilizer that would prop up consumer spending during an economic downtown and a cushion to prevent middle class unemployed workers from slipping into destitution if they were suddenly hit by major expenditures.

Laurel Ritchie, national representative of the Canadian Auto Workers, said few laid-off members of her union – “only handfuls” – have been able to meet the long-tenure definition.

Canadian Labour Congress economist Andrew Jackson said his understanding of the new proposal is that it would fully apply only to unemployed workers who have initiated a claim to EI benefits since the beginning of the year.

Now, to be fair, it should be noted that these rather dour assessments are based on what was in the press release; it’s possible — not all that likely, but possible — that the legislation itself will be better than its advance billing suggests.

It’s also worth keeping in mind that relations between the NDP and CAW  have been somewhat cool since that brief dalliance between the latter and the Paul Martin Liberals. But if the Canadian Labour Congress — which has thus far held its fire, even going so far as to  call the idea of extending benefits for long-term workers “helpful” if limited — comes out against it, it’s hard to see how Jack’s pack can’t do the same. Even if they don’t, some NDP MPs — particularly those in ridings where CAW holds sway — may spend the upcoming G20 break week huddled in the riding office,  fielding calls from outraged local labour groups.

Despite all those headlines proclaiming the fall election averted, Friday’s supply vote is only the beginning. If the Ways and Means motion sails through the House as expected, however,  it will deprive the Conservatives of one line of attack that they were almost certainly hoping to deploy on the doorsteps during a fall campaign: that those heartless, election-hungry opposition parties had banded together to snuff the beloved home renovation tax credit. With 80 percent of the infrastructure spending ostensibly underway, who knows what other crowd-pleasing measures the government might suddenly produce, only to promptly tie it to the parliamentary train track and dare the opposition not to ride to the rescue?

In other words: Don’t get too comfy, y’all. It’s going to be a very long few weeks.

UPDATE: Rob Silver points out that newly elected party presidentPeggy Nash may find the NDP’s tentative decision to back the government leads to a bit of awkward silence around the water cooler at her day job as … “assistant to the CAW national president.”

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

    While the unions can make headlines – and thus Layton's life difficult – I wonder if their support/guidance is more symbolic than substantive these days? (i.e., to what extent does unon support translate into NDP votes?).

    And that's not meant to be a slight against anyone, just an honest question. (I seem to be irking folks with those lately.)

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jenn_ Jenn_

      Agreed, but if the NDPs schtick of MPW is turned into a caving, weak, unprincipled action as reported by the Unions (as opposed to some other political party) it may tend to bear more weight upon NDP voters.

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

        I'm hard pressed to think of a way Layton can come out of this looking good, given his tendency to caricature himself and the NDP's stance since the Martin government.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      I was wondering about this myself during the NDP convention when the labour delegates seemed to be agitating against one of the anti-pipeline resolutions, particularly since the changes to electoral financing laws mean that the party is no longer beholden to the unions for financial support. The explanation I got was that it comes down to local organization — volunteers, outreach, and the all important GOTV. Unions can do a lot — or, conversely, pointedly not do a thing — on the ground, and during a campaign, that can be crucial in some ridings. Oh, and principle. There's also the whole principle thing.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

        In terms of raw numbers, Canadians belonging to unions numbered around 4.1 million in 2008, which is unsurprisingly a slight decline, but nevertheless a bit over 30% of the total workforce.

        Not that union membership and environmental advocacy are opposed to each other, but I would think the NDP would have a better chance of solidifying a union vote during an election, like the potentially forthcoming one, where the environment isn't an issue (no worries about the economy/jobs bogeyman being rallied against proposed restrictions on pollution, etc.).

        But I hadn't really considered the 'on the ground' dimension of support, which must be a considerable benefit.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/robert_mccl6309 Robert McClelland

        Union member support is greatly over exaggerated. I was a union guy–even worked for the union–for 15 years and voted PC for most of it. And all you need to do is look at some of the most heavily unionized ridings in the country to see that I wasn't an isolated case. Just east of Toronto feeds off unionized employment but it's mostly Tory blue.

        As far as the union leadership goes, they abandoned their carte blanche support of the NDP quite some time ago too. Now their support is mostly determined on a case by case basis. Simply put, the conventional wisdumb about union support is still rooted on what it was like in the 60s and 70s.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/ottawasteph ottawasteph

      Ideologically, the NDP represents the interests of workers. Always has, always will. Unions, by definition, have the same interests.

      Although new laws prevent organizations from making political contributions, labour groups still provide help with mobilization and organization.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

        Yes, but as McClelland points out, unionized workers have not been behind the NDP in a serious way for some time now. We can debate if they ought to be or not, but just ask Bob Rae about their fidelity to their ostensibly political wing. And the pipeline debate Kady mentioned illustrates some tensions between worker's interests and other 'progressive' policies.

        Also, it seems to me that Layton has been more interested in positioning the party to represent "ordinary Canadians" than workers, per se.

        • Mulletaur

          I think all of this discussion misses the point somewhat. People tend to forget that union leaders are elected as well. Ken Lewenza has an interest in shoring up the support of his own base, union members : they are, after all, the source of his power. He has to do what his constituents expect, push for what is good for workers, whatever political calculations the NDP leadership may make at any given time. Lewenza is not "running for Prime Minister", I'm sure he couldn't give a crap about how this may affect the NDP's electoral prospects. One thing you can say for Lewenza though : he is sticking up for the interests of workers in a consistent way that the NDP never does.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

            Very good point.

      • sbt

        "Ideologically, the NDP represents the interests of workers. Always has, always will. Unions, by definition, have the same interests."

        The NDP doesn't really represent the interests of workers. It sits in a part of the political spectrum where union interests often line-up well with NDP philosophy. This isn't always the case, though. As an example, the NDP is often very critical of Conservative and Liberal climate change policies, implying that they would impose stricter controls and even going it along if the Americans did nothing. How is raising the cost to produce cars in Canada relative to the US in the interests of the unionized autoworker in Canada? The answer is, it isn't. So claiming that the NDP represents the interests of workers is not accurate.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/BCerInToronto Jeff Jedras

      I think the main strategic value of the union support to the NDP has been massive numbers of bodies to organize, canvass and get out the vote. Pulling that support could bite the NDP.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/robert_mccl6309 Robert McClelland

        This isn't the 60s, Jeff. Unions generally don't get massive numbers of bodies out there to organize, canvass and get out the vote any longer. Unions can't even get their membership to attend union meetings.

        • Mulletaur

          That is simply not true and you know it. On other other hand, given that the NDP are without exception class traitors, I don't know why any working person with any self-respect would ever come out to organize for them unless they were ordered to do so by their union bosses.

          • dan in van

            I'm in an NdP held riding, where their listed membership is just over 140 people. There's a large college campus and a big university just across the line, but there is no youth activity except at election time. If it wasn't for the union machine behind them in the past two elections, they don't win. Sorry Robert but at least in this suburban middle-class riding, the NdP's success has a lot to do with the union and its muscle.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

    While the unions can make headlines – and thus Layton's life – difficult I wonder if their support/guidance is more symbolic than substantive these days? (i.e., to what extent does unon support translate into NDP votes?).

    And that's not meant to be a slight against anyone, just an honest question. (I seem to be irking folks with those lately.)

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

    While the unions can make headlines – and thus Layton's life – difficult, I wonder if their support/guidance is more symbolic than substantive these days? (i.e., to what extent does unon support translate into NDP votes?).

    And that's not meant to be a slight against anyone, just an honest question. (I seem to be irking folks with those lately.)

  • an online reader

    Paid civil servants where commissioned by PMO 6 months to 1 year ago to study E.I. ? N.D.P. & Bloc. have public policy proposals ? Special committee commissioned by Iggy / harper ? A Parliamentary Committee is responsible for this issue ? harpers bill appears from behind closed doors and is what is ?

    Is it like Gerrard Kennedy found on stimulus spending ? " Because no one else is doing it, Liberal MP Gerard Kennedy and his staff of four are attempting to track the $12 billion in new infrastructure funding in the government's January budget. Their research is not complete, but Kennedy estimates that between 15 per cent and 25 per cent of the money has actually flowed. The rest has been promised, approved, allocated or announced – but municipalities don't have it. "

    • Maureen

      And so??? The federal government doesn't build roads and sewers – it is the municipalities that do. And it appears to me that in spite of the whining the municipalities have done in the last few years about how their infrastructure is falling apart and someone needs to help them, it appears that few had actually any plans in place to address the problem. So yes, all there is are approvals because municipalities have few shovel ready projects in spite of their years of complaining. Or they were like Toronto that wasted months trying to get approval for a project that was clearly out of bounds!!!

      The federal government wants projects that are actually needed unlike the memories of Liberal government infrastructure programs that provided money for golf courses in Chretien's riding and to his business partners – why was that never investigated? I really hope that Kennedy's committee reviewed both past and present stimulus spending but I doubt it since it would have to review the years Chretien's spending on nonsense.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

        You realize it's been three leaders since Chretien ran things?

      • http://twitter.com/ChrisInKW @ChrisInKW

        What were the personal bankruptcy and unemployment rates by province in 1997 to 1998?

    • an online reader

      p.s. harper has been tinkering with E.I. , the E.I. officials , how rates set , rates paid by employee/ employer etc under the cover not a leader , coalition of socialists , 200 page Committee books and other PMO spin . Iggy said he is now going to do the Official Opposition job ? About time .

    • http://twitter.com/ChrisInKW @ChrisInKW

      80% implemented, get with the program already!

      Millions spent advertising this fact, everyone knows. Sheesh!

      • an online reader

        "and so" "everyone knows" : 4 party leaders even during chretiens time and if info is released or fought for through freedom of info you still have to read several articles to even get all the facts . M. P.s don't answer to the reporters or each other . Sheesh !

    • scf

      I'm glad the opposition are making themselves useful.

  • Riley Hennessey

    This is what I don't think will sell with the public. On the one hand, the opposition parties will complain that the government is incompetent, untrustworthy, mean spirited, etc. On the other hand they have supported almost all of the government's proposals in some way or another, and/or called for the exact programs or spending that the government has introduced.

    It doesn't jibe.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/LynnTO LynnTO

      Just for giggles, here's the corollary to that statement: On the one hand, the government consistently rags on the Liberals for trying to form a coalition with "socialists" and "separatists" with whom they themselves would never be caught dead in a deal. On the other, the government is perfectly happy to stand with their socialist and separatist partners when they need to pass legislation in order to survive. The leader of this government argued for years in favour of Senate reform, but when push came to shove, nominated political partisans just as his predecessors had done in years gone by.

      Just as the opposition parties are talking out of both sides of their mouths, so too is the government. Pots and kettles, geese and ganders, abound.

      • Riley Hennessey

        When Harper stands next to Duceppes and Layton with a signed agreement at a carefully scheduled press conference, then you can pretend like he's got a coalition. Harper is providing legislation that the opposition parties can support or not support. There is a big difference between having people vote for your legislation, versus getting together, plotting and signing a formal accord.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

          "plotting"

          So long as you're being objective about things.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/criselis criselis

          Can't resist
          http://www2.macleans.ca/2008/11/28/a-trip-down-mi…

          As leaders of the opposition parties, we are well aware that, given the Liberal minority government, you could be asked by the Prime Minister to dissolve the 38th Parliament at any time should the House of Commons fail to support some part of the government’s program. We respectfully point out that the opposition parties, who together constitute a majority in the House, have been in close consultation. We believe that, should a request for dissolution arise this should give you cause, as constitutional practice has determined, to consult the opposition leaders and consider all of your options before exercising your constitutional authority. Your attention to this matter is appreciated.

          -From a letter to then-Governor General Adrienne Clarkson signed by all three opposition leaders: Gilles Duceppe, Jack Layton and Stephen Harper
          (September 9, 2004)

  • Terren

    When might we know for sure? (re election or no?)

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      When it happens. Welcome to life on the Hill.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/ottawasteph ottawasteph

        Love this town!

    • Gawd

      you can be sure the conservatives will be re elected when there's an election which will not be anytime soon

    • Dakota

      When the polls show (if ever) the Liberals have a chance at a minority.

      But looking at the current trends, that could be a very long way off.

      • dan in van

        Apparently, if Gawd is right, there is no gawd…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

    I haven't been able to find out – does anyone know what salaries the union leaders make, what perks, etc. in Canada?

    I was reading about the union leaders in the US (UAW, etc.) and they make huge salaries, have unbelievable perks and private jets.

    Just curious.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

      Why is that relevant?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

        Didn't say it was relevant – just curious.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

          You must be married. That's the same way I learned to unleash my passive aggression in coy, innocent asides. :)

    • John.K

      It took me 30 seconds on Google to find out Ken Lewenza makes 145K…slightly less than a backbench MP.

      Guess you didn't look too hard.

      • Mulletaur

        Lewenza earns every penny. Unlike members of the federal NDP caucus.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

        Must confess – when I looked Lewenza hadn't been declared the leader yet…….lazy on my part.

  • Anon

    I thought the bill was going to be introduced the afternoon of Finley's announcement. They also threw out some numbers that I thought were somewhat inflated.

    There is also the issue of underemployment. A lot of these laid-off workers have accepted lower paying jobs in grocery stores and whatnot. I'd imagine they'd not be happy about this proposal, not to mention the thousands more who would not even qualify under the "long-tenured" definition.

    Poor Jack. He's agreed to support the government on a bill he hasn't seen and that even his core base can't support.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

      It would be interesting to see stats on the relative ability of long and short tenured workers to find new employment. Because if the long tenured have a leg up to begin with, the proposed reforms won't have a monumental impact on things (not that evidence of that sort gets in the way of Conservative policy as a rule).

      Also, am I alone in thinking that it's a bit late for EI tinkering of any sort, at least for mitigating the effects of this particular recession?

      • http://twitter.com/ChrisInKW @ChrisInKW

        Or any sort.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/ottawasteph ottawasteph

        Canadians are still losing their jobs. In August, 30K part-time jobs were created, while more than 3K full-time jobs were lost.

        The latest EI proposal just gives more to the haves, while the have-nots must file for welfare. The issue is about accessibility; that's where the reforms should aim. Eligibility criteria must be relaxed to strengthen our social safety net.

        • Dakota

          PET EI here we come! Let's just have everyone live off the government!

          Wait! Then who pays for it?

          • tobyornottoby

            The workers are in line behind the auto industry, sole source arms contractors, Big TV, the banks, and special consultants to the Finance Minister. When we stop propping up that lot, and stop subsidizing oil exploration I'll get concerned about the unemployed lining up for a pinch.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/criselis criselis

      "Poor Jack. He's agreed to support the government on a bill he hasn't seen"

      Would that negate the talking point "the budget Layton didn't read" ;-}

  • wilson

    Any details on the new Angus Reid poll?
    Cons 36 , Libs 29 , NDP 17
    ( 7th paragraph down the page)

    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/696390

    • Dakota

      More bad news for the Liberals as they drop below the 30 mark. Now, if only the Bloq and the NDP had the conviction they showed just a few weeks ago to bring down the government!

    • scf

      Wow, they really buried that poll, I guess they wanted to reference it somewhere since they did not want to look like they would not report their own poll.
      But, it's funny how the headline makes no mention of the existence of said poll. Gotta love the Star.
      It seems the gains are primarily in Ontario, which suggests the Conservatives are very close to majority territory.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/NorthernPoV NorthernPoV

    So, housing sector is looking better, TSX is regaining ground and most of us can sigh with relief.
    But the lack of decent employment at the low end will mean a very uneven recover to say the least.
    Canada and most of the modern economies are headed to 10%+ unemployment.

    So, while EI continues to be a political football for all the parties … we continue to ignore the people who need action now.

    The carrot being offered to Jack has more loopholes than a slice of Swiss cheese, and just as smelly.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/NorthernPoV NorthernPoV

    So, housing sector is looking better, TSX is regaining ground and most of us can sigh with relief.
    But the lack of decent employment at the low end will mean a very uneven recovery to say the least.
    Canada and most of the modern economies are headed to 10%+ unemployment.

    So, while EI continues to be a political football for all the parties … we continue to ignore the people who need action now.

    The carrot being offered to Jack has more loopholes than a slice of Swiss cheese, and just as smelly.

    • Dakota

      Yes, what we need is a return to PET style EI. That way everyone can just live off the governement!

      But then who pays for it all?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

        Not the folks spending their days commenting on blogs, that's for sure.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/WDM WDM

          *phew*

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lord_Bob Lord Bob

      Unemployment is a lagging indicator of economic recovery, because the job market needs more time to readjust to changing economic conditions.

      It's far, far too early to say "double-digit unemployment". Not to say that double-digit unemployment can't happen because indications are that the service sector was oversized even before the recession, but it's too early to tell.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/NorthernPoV NorthernPoV

        OK, we have no crystal ball but we do have this:
        http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business…

        In any case – is the current 8.7% is not high enough to demand some timely aid?
        (To people that have paid into the EI fund but remain ineligible – heck at the very least give them back their premiums if you will not pay out on their claim.)

    • Gawd

      ah yes the "ACME exploding carrot" complete with do-it-yourself instructions and electrode set

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/PoliticalPundit PoliticalPundit

    Yes, Harper is calling the shots and Radical Jack has, it seems, turned into Dithering Jack! He is dammed if he supports Harper's very right-wing proposal to bail out only certain Canadian workers. He will most certainly be damned by the broad spectrum of Canadian workers if he props up the Harper government much longer.
    Those targeted workers who paid the most EI over the longest time will get the most!! And, damn the rest of the workers! They don't really count. It is very divide and rule time in the Harperite camp.
    It is all very Reagonomics. And, Paul Weyrich is no doubt smiling from his grave! The Harperites have mastered every one of Weyrich's cherished, and largely successful for a decade, tactics and strategies of polarization and exploitation of voters' fears and greed.
    If Dithering Jack rejects Harper's right-wing EI payouts to a specific constituency of workers then Harper will eventually pull the plug on his government and the Dippers will suffer the political consequences in Ontario for dithering.
    The chickens have come home to roost for Layton. Helping Harper and the Bloc bring down the hapless Martin government was supposed to lead to the death of the 'corrupt' Liberal party. It was supposed to herald the arrival of Layton's NDP as Canada's Official Opposition Party.
    Alas for Layton and the Dippers this utopian scenario — their delusion of grandeur — has not come to pass.
    It is time for Layton to step down and for the Dippers to find a more trust worthy leader, one who understands the role that the NDP can and should play in ensuring a united left of centre opposition to Harper's right of centre Conservative coalition.

    • Dakota

      Hopefully Jack regains his former fury and votes against the Conservatives. Maybe he can even start talking coalition again!

      • an online reader

        Maybe we will have an elections on the issues and possible solutions ?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

          Not if Harper has any say.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/NorthernPoV NorthernPoV

        Ya know, I do like to engage in a civil debate. And I have crossed sword a few times, face to face and even here on the blog-sphere with people of the conservative persuasion. And perhaps I have been bested by wit or reasoned arguments on occasion.

        On the other hand some of the bot-like trolls are so boring, there comes a point:
        when I see their moniker, I read no further.
        Dakota and Michael Sharpe come to mind immediately.
        Jarrid can occasionally fog-a-mirror but is mostly lifeless.

        Anyone care to continue the list? (I am sure the list will have entries from the left of center ranks as well.

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/NorthernPoV NorthernPoV

        Ya know, I do like to engage in a civil debate. And I have crossed sword a few times, face to face and even here on the blog-sphere with people of the conservative persuasion. And perhaps I have been bested by wit or reasoned arguments on occasion.

        On the other hand some of the bot-like trolls are so boring, there comes a point:
        when I see their moniker, I read no further.
        Dakota and Michael Sharpe come to mind immediately.
        Jarrid can occasionally fog-a-mirror but is mostly lifeless.

        Anyone care to continue the list? (I am sure the list will have entries from the left of center ranks as well.)

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/NorthernPoV NorthernPoV

        Ya know, I do like to engage in a civil debate. And I have crossed swords a few times, face to face and even here on the blog-sphere with people of the conservative persuasion. And perhaps I have been bested by wit or reasoned arguments on occasion.

        On the other hand some of the bot-like trolls are so boring, there comes a point:
        when I see their moniker, I read no further.
        Dakota and Michael Sharpe come to mind immediately.
        Jarrid can occasionally fog-a-mirror but is mostly lifeless.

        Anyone care to continue the list? (I am sure the list will have entries from the left of center ranks as well.)

  • Dakota

    Are you sad that not every poster on this board is a Liberal? Try the CBC.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

    From the Department of Says It All …..

    http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/696266

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/criselis criselis

      God bless the child thats got his own…

  • Bonnie N

    So the new question is what about those federal by elections? Will Mr. Harper announce them when he returns from the G 20?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/WDM WDM

    Can I put my hat on yet?

  • civil servant

    Maybe Mulcair has an interest in a company that makes "Yippee! No Election!" party hats.

    • some thoughts

      Yes he does. they are called the eventual loosers otherwise known as the NDP

  • wilson

    A coalition would speak with one voice not requiring the support of the party that holds 46% of the seats in Parliament.
    Therefore 46% of the representatives elected by Canadians, are voiceless.

    And you think there is no difference? Well there certainly is.
    And I might add, that the Harper Conservatives won 56% of the seats in the ROC.

  • dan in van

    Just to follow LynnTO's interesting twist:

    On the one hand, the government consistently rags on the Liberals for opposing the government, despite having had almost exclusive support from the same Liberals for more than three years. Because of that, Harper has been able to govern, not to the complete extreme of his liking, but to what some including possibly wilson would say effectively (not i though). While Harper as opposition leader could best sit down for just one budget (a big surplus one at that, my how times have changed) he quickly worked behind the scenes in a backroom deal with the Bloc and NdP and presented a letter stating that they were ready to replace the government of the day with a coalition (look it up wilson).
    I'm afraid Harper's trick of talking out of both sides of his mouth is as he'd say old hat. He and his conbots are exclusively ass-talking.

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