It took a while but Section 13 is dead

This month, with Judge Hadjis’s Marc Lemire decision, the wheels fell off the CHRC racket

by Mark Steyn on Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:40am - 161 Comments

Before I attracted the attention of the thought police, I wasn’t entirely up to speed on state censorship in Canada, and I asked my friend Ezra Levant what he knew about this Section 13 business. He sent me a printout with the history of every single case. Two things stood out: first, while the plaintiffs had the costs of the case paid for by the taxpayer, almost all of the defendants had been too poor to have legal representation. That’s an inversion of basic justice. Second, one man had been the plaintiff on every single Section 13 case since 2002—Richard Warman. That didn’t pass the smell test.

The list had been compiled by someone called Marc Lemire, a man who’d been caught in the “human rights” crosshairs for half a decade. You might not care for his opinions, but that, as they say, is a matter of opinion. That he has been traduced by the Canadian justice system is a matter of fact. But he’s a dogged type, and he pushed back, and he got the goods on his abusers. He demonstrated that evidence exhibits were switched in mid-trial by the CHRC. He proved that Warman and CHRC investigator Dean Steacy were themselves members of and posters on white supremacist websites under various aliases. Indeed, in a remarkable conflict of interest, Warman, as the plaintiff, was permitted to stroll into the CHRC, the investigating body, and share passwords and Internet aliases with Steacy.

But Mr. Lemire was too obscure a figure to get any publicity for the CHRC’s procedural abuses and kinky penchant for playing dress-up Nazis on the Internet at taxpayer expense all too long. One day, as I was rummaging agog through what he’d uncovered, I came across a ruling by Judge Hadjis agreeing to the CHRC’s motion to close Mr. Lemire’s hearing to the public. I stopped, rubbed my eyes, and reread it slowly: secret trials? In Canada? Over some unread Internet posts? Apparently so. Minor servants of the Crown in dull desk-bound jobs had decided that they were really cyber-007s whose top secret work was vital to national security. I emailed Ken Whyte and said I’d been overcome by a sudden yen to attend Judge Hadjis’s court. Our counsel, Julian Porter, Q.C., filed a motion to open up the secret trial. He did what lawyers are supposed to do—he cited precedent (CBC vs. New Brunswick, Ambard vs. Attorney-General of Trinidad and Tobago) and eminent jurists from Viscount Haldane to Chief Justice Dickson. In response, the CHRC offered feverish fantasies insisting that their work was too dangerous to be exposed to open court. Judge Hadjis caved, and rescinded his secret-trial order.

So now he’s caved again, and the jurist who thought nothing of lifetime publication bans is a born-again champion of constitutional freedom. Whatever.

As for those who persist in seeing “hate” as a threat to the Queen’s peace, at Jay Currie’s website a commenter “pettifogger” pointed out that the sole post that Judge Hadjis deemed in breach of Section 13—“AIDS Secrets”—was read by a total of just eight people in Canada, or nought-point-eight of a Canadian per province. However, you’ve got to reckon that maybe two to three of those eight views were from Richard Warman salivating over another tax-free windfall if he sued for being “offended” by it; another two to three came from the CHRC bookmarking and downloading it to enter in evidence; and maybe the sole remaining view came from Mr. Lemire just after posting to check that it was formatted and displaying correctly.

In other words, no one in Canada saw this post. Yet Her Majesty’s thought police took six years to bring this case to conclusion. And, whether or not it’s offensive, there’s nothing in there that should be illegal in a free society with robust traditions of vigorous public debate. That’s the point: Marc Lemire is no threat to Canada. Whereas Jennifer Lynch, Chief Commissar of the CHRC, and her mob of statist hacks, social engineers and secret-agent fantasists are ultimately a very profound threat indeed. To survive as a free people, Canadians need the rough and tumble of honest public discourse. Instead, its “human rights” regime has, quite consciously, attempted to upgrade unfashionable opinions into illegal ones. When government bureaucrats forget they are not our rulers but our servants, that’s always a bigger problem than whatever “crisis” they purport to be addressing.

For the moment, whatever Parliament or the Supreme Court does, Section 13 is dead. The camel’s nose of liberty is under the CHRC tent. Now let’s give ’em the hump.

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  • http://anatomyofculture.blogspot.com/ R.B. Glennie

    @ the krob -

    quote: I must note that free speech does have its reasonable limits – no one should be yelling "Fire!" in a crowed theatre.

    I really must take `the krob' to task for this stupid `fire in a crowded theatre' cliche.

    first, and most obviously, you have a positively DUTY to yell `fire' in a crowded theatre, when there is actually a fire.

    second, even if there is no fire, it is far from obviously that merely yelling `fire' in a crowded would actually cause panic and death. Years ago, I was attended a movie when the fire alarm went off. Instead of everyone running for the exits, most people just stayed plunked their seats and completely ignored the alarm (which turned out to be false).

    contd…

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/thekrob thekrob

      Okay, yes. If there is a fire and you yell fire that is a good thing.

      However, I will respond here to your responses (for which I thank you) in aggregate. First, it is a metaphor, as you rightly point out. The thing about metaphors is that they are not meant to be literal examples, but rather illustrations of a point. As such, whether or not yelling fire in a crowed theatre would actually cause panic or death is immaterial. The point is: if you cause panic and death, that should be illegal. And it is (reckless endangerment.). So, it's time to update the metaphor – let's go with yelling 'bomb' in an airport or pulling the emergency brake, which are most certainly illegal if done falsely – but we should argue about the principle at issue . But if people engage in such endangerment (like uttering threats at an airport) they should dealt with in the appropriate legal manner (i.e. not in a quasi-judicial manner such as the HRT process). Their punishment should be issued to the degree they cause actual danger (not moral indignation).

      Second, there is a much more tangible limit free speech in Canada and in the US – slander/libel legislation. My point was not that there should be arbitrary limits to the kinds of things we can say, but rather that reasonable limits (like not printing defamatory, false thing about people) exist.

      Recall also that I agreed with Mr. Steyn's stance on the HRC, which is imposing what is clearly unreasonable limits to free speech.

      • R.B. Glennie

        *The thing about metaphors is that they are not meant to be literal examples, but rather illustrations of a point. As such, whether or not yelling fire in a crowed theatre would actually cause panic or death is immaterial.*

        thekrob, I think you misunderstand what a metaphor is.
        It is a `bridge' between something abstract and something concrete. the `fire in a crowded theatre' is supposed to be the concrete example which leads to understanding of the alleged harm that the `hate speech' causes to society as a whole (the abstract).

        The example, as you contend is not `immaterial.'

        It couldn't be more material, but since the reference is itself faulty, it is not valid for anything.

        This leaves aside the fact that no law – and no constitutionally protected right, such as the human right of speech – should be upheld based on metaphor, no matter how valid it is as a figure of speech.

      • R.B. Glennie

        *So, it's time to update the metaphor – let's go with yelling 'bomb' in an airport or pulling the emergency brake, which are most certainly illegal if done falsely – but we should argue about the principle at issue.*

        Yelling `bomb' at an airport is illegal due to the special circumstances of this facility: ie. the number of bombs that have been used to blow up airplanes. It has no relevance to a civil society. (and again, it is a duty to do so if you believe that there is a bomb…)

        I do not understand the next figuration, `pulling the emergency brake'. what brake? how is this germane to freedom of speech?

  • R.B. Glennie

    third, and most importantly, it is not even against the law to yell `fire' (falsely) in a crowded theatre! After all, how would any prosecutor be able to prove that an individual `falsely' knew that there was a fire?

    And pray, just when in modern history has any false call of `fire' caused panic and death in a crowded theatre – or any other venue? People have died in panics, when there is actually a fire – as with the notorious Power Station nightclub fire in Rhode Island some years ago, in which more than 100 people died. But… there was actually a fire.

    contd…

  • R.B. Glennie

    (Macleans you really need to increase the number of words a commenter may post…)

    (first and second parts below, in reverse order)

    The `fire in a crowded theatre' metaphor comes from a 1919 ruling written by U.S. Sup Court justice O.W. Holmes, justifying the imprisonment of an anti-war protestor who distributed anti-conscription pamphlets during the Great War. The distribution, Holmes wrote, amounted to `falsely shouting fire in a crowded theatre.'

    Here's the irony: the HRC are the creatures of, and until recently, were stalwartly defended by a cultural left that also embraces `dissent as the highest form of patriotism.' when quoting the (ridiculous) `fire in a crowded theatre' cliche, they are endorsing a legal opinion which justified the imprisonment of anti-war agitators who did nothing more than distribute leaflets.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

    You have to admit, though, now that Section 13 is kaput, y'all are going to have to figure out something else to do with your lives.

    • JimmyF

      I think the same could be said for Richard Warman and others who manufacture "racism".

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

        Definitely the end of a great partnership.

    • R.B. Glennie

      *You have to admit, though, now that Section 13 is kaput, y'all are going to have to figure out something else to do with your lives.*

      The defence of liberty, unfortunately, is a life-long pursuit.

      obviously, not something you've been roused yourself to defend Jack Orwell.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

        Unlike yourself, R.B.? The courage behind those initials takes my breath away.

        • R.B. Glennie

          *Unlike yourself, R.B.? The courage behind those initials takes my breath away.*

          ummm, what? the `courage behind those initials'? Ok, you need your meds right mr orwell?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            I'll leave you to figure that one out, genius.

          • R.B. Glennie

            sure thing *genius*

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            Thank God you're defending freedom, not wit.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lord_Bob Lord Bob

      A Section 13 implies Sections 1 through 12…

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

        Which one will you pick next?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

        Which one will you pick next?

  • DPIGS

    Win.

  • R.B. Glennie

    *Unlike yourself, R.B.? The courage behind those initials takes my breath away.*

    ok, wow: could you be any more deranged, Mr Orwell?

    what does that even mean…?

    • Matthew Fletcher

      I have less ability to let fool's suffer than Jack does:

      It means an ad hominem attack has a little more value from someone who posts under their real name.

  • WestWright

    Congrats to the brave Canadians that took on the fascist Section 13…maybe some will join Mr. Steyn here in the US to battle our own HR Section 13 Fascist in our crapfest of a Government!

  • Wayne

    Mark I come from a family of four generation's that fought for this country(military) and it's present day freedom's, and to see this "Salem" style modern day witch hunt over the year's become more and more powerful, has been extremely disgusting to me. Many thank's Mark for keeping up the pressure and giving this "Liberal" monster a taste of defeat .

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Be_rad Be_rad

      Wayne, coming from such a line of distinguished service must be a profound source of pride to you. However, I fail to see how it enriches the value of your opinion. If I were to cite my own lineage, raise you a Victoria Cross or Distinguished Service Medal, would it then make my opinion more valuable than your own? And, with this hypothetical lineage behind me, if my opinion were different from yours, would it invalidate your position? Can only the descendants of military service have anything of value to say on this topic?

      Again, I am always grateful to all those ancestors who have served, not just in the military, but in any function of public service. I honour them and respect what they have done. I fail to believe, however, that they were a monolith of belief and opinion. Perhaps it would be best if we relied more on logic, rational discourse and respectful exchanges.

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Ed_Sweeney Ed_Sweeney

        I would say that identifying his perspective as being grounded in a personal devotion to fighting for personal liberty has everything to do with this issue, and is definitely relevant; it is a position based not on the sanctimonious grounds that you presume, but one of the duty to protect personal freedoms that recognizes the costs that have be borne by our military personnel. A family that has paid such a price more readily recognizes the importance of protecting hard won personal liberties. Perhaps you could reconsider your own part in "respectful exchanges".

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Be_rad Be_rad

          Read me again, Ed. I presumed no such thing. I was very respectful. And I totally disagree that citing vagu ancestoral military service in any way grounds his argument in"personal" devotion to fighting for personal liberty. It just mans his ancestors did something and it in no way guarantees that their service means what you interpret it to mean. My uncles who fought – one died – in WWII all felt strongly about protecting minority intersts and spoke strongly about the fascist denigration of entire races/religions using broad brush characterizations. My father, who served the RCMP, felt th same way. So does my reference to them make my arguments – should I choose to make any – any stronger or weaker because of their service? From reading your posts my feeling is that it would depend entirely on whether or not my opinion agreed with yours.

          And I didn't call anyone who disagres with me a "monster", as did Wayne.

          • diplock

            Ok, I'm going to assume you only replied because he's a conservative, mostly in his use of the word "liberal" in quotation marks (and capitalized, no less.) Wayne never called anyONE a monster, just the CHRC – which, judging by your knee-jerk reaction, is an easy way for anyone to spot your political allegiance – Liberal, right?

            He brought up the ancestry, not because he sees it as a reason to cull the CHRC, as it were, but simply because he's marking it as a reason for being happy about the outcome, not as a reason to bolster the decision itself.
            "I'm glad that the CHRT came to its senses because it reminds me of the important freedoms my (insert ancesty here) fought for."
            A Victoria cross in this context is totally non-sequitur to the discussion – as is the minority rights plug. Nobody doubts the useful role a tribunal CAN play here with respect to minority rights. It's clear that that's what it was meant to do, but failed quite miserably. What the argument turns on is the basic respect for a person's dignity and their individual freedoms. Ed's a reasonable guy and hit the nail on the head the first time.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Be_rad Be_rad

            diplock, you are doing a lot of assuming, or reading between the lines, when what I have to say is right on the page. Wayne cited his ancestors' service history as a preface to stating his feelings. This rhetorical device is intended to cloak the author's opinion with a veneer of extra value or respectability. I called him on it and asked if my own ancestors' military service – with th hypothetical extra oomph of glorious distinction – gave my potentially contrary opinion qual or greater value. It was clearly intended as a way to demonstrate my point.

            I only raisd the "monster" reference in response to Ed, who questioned my degree of respect. If you read my original post toW ayne's, would you say I lacked respect? I, unlike Wayne, did not label a person/idea in order to denigrate it.

            My response was not kneejerk as you suggest, it was not provoked by a party label – read my profile; don't project your own shortcomings onto others (he who smelt it dealt it) – and was certainly not disrespectful.

          • diplock

            It's not veneer, it's context. Next time a Breast Cancer event rolls into town, why don't you try pulling this argument that personal experience and heritage don't mean anything on someone whose mother just died of it. Or better yet, tell MADD (despite their prohibitionist agenda) that personal context is just a veneer for their opinion.

          • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Be_rad Be_rad

            C'mon, you can't see the difference? First, he didn't fight or serve, some of his ancestors did. He is projecting assumed ideals on them and then taking on their cloak. As I demonstrated his rhetorical device is flawed, which was all I was trying to say. If he had cited his own service, I would have taken it as his owm personal motivation and driving force. But to cite ancestors' service and imply they would have agreed with him is reaching more than just a bit.

            And to cite breast cacer or drunk driving without knowing me is extremely insensitive, aside from being irrelevant. Good day to you.

          • diplock

            No you haven't demonstrated anything of value. You've successfully demonstrated that you are capable of carrying on a he-said-she-said/my-dad-is-better-than-your-dad argument.

            Again, let's use your argument in the context of breast cancer. The essence of what that would look like is that a person has no place sympathizing with breast cancer because they've yet to experience it first-hand, else their opinion is null and void.

            The fact of the matter is that personal experience (or even second hand experience, as we're arguing) is a useful rhetorical device that can bring relevant examples to the fore that exemplify an important principle in the debate, not to mention firmly 'planting your flag' on a certain point of view. The principle here is that freedom is both valuable and vulnerable, and thus is worth fighting for. In this case, Wayne exemplified the principle by citing members of his family that did so.

  • R.B. Glennie

    I think our Jack Mithcell deserves his own special category on one of those `Top 20 most annoying Internet comment posters' -

    Namely, `Commenter Who Passes Off the Musings of the Squirrels in His Head as the Profound Insights of a Genius.'

    Fits ya right to a tee, Mr Orwell

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

    Well. Are we all settled and comfy at our little Tea Party ?

    Good. Let's talk.

    And later on we can have some milk and cookies and sing Don't Fence Me In.

    • R.B. Glennie

      *Well. Are we all settled and comfy at our little Tea Party*

      I mean, really, you have to take a moment to feel sorry for Jack Orwell, the krok, Sissyface and all the other haters of freedom here.

      I mean, the Cdn Human Rights Tribunal doesn't agree with their mission to censor everyone who doesn't believe as they do. The friggen Human Rights Commission for heaven's sake.

      All they can do now is guttersnipe at the many who don't share in their hatred of freedom.

      Sad really.

      Look at this Jack Orwell. The very thought of no sec 13 has apparently driven totally into the paws of the squirrels in his head.

      He ought to change his name to Jack Twitchell.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

        Don't be silly. No one is censuring you.

        I double checked … there is no stupidity sub-section.

        So you're good to go.

        • R.B. Glennie

          *Don't be silly. No one is censuring you.*

          I know – 'cause you don't have the power any longer.

          Hence your guttersnipping.

        • R.B. Glennie

          *Don't be silly. No one is censuring you.*

          I know – 'cause you don't have the power any longer.

          Hence your guttersnipping.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

        "Jack Twitchell" is quite good.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

          Ahhh, but an obvious hater of freedom(s) deserves so much better.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            I know it's a serious phenomenon, but I can't help laughing at the coupling of a liberal ideal like freedom of speech with these guys' "with-us-or-against-us" instinct.

          • R.B. Glennie

            *I can't help laughing at the coupling of a liberal ideal like freedom of speech with these guys' "with-us-or-against-us" instinct.*

            meanwhile, Twitty, we can't help but to laugh at your nonsequitors.

            btw – aren't your squirrels getting hungry?

            and sissyface, there's a teabagging awaiting there somewhere.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            Ironically, "nonsequitors" would mean "Idontfollows."

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            Obsess much?

          • R.B. Glennie

            Not quite as much as you do…

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            Are you the funniest guy in Grade 5 or what?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            You're really digging deep, eh?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

            Teabagging ? Sorry , I take my caffeine via coffee.

            Unlike your buddy Joe Wilson.

          • R.B. Glennie

            don't get yourself tied up in knots, sissyphase.

            Isn't Joe Wilson your "buddy"?

        • R.B. Glennie

          thanks Twitty.

  • George

    I am certainly happy that Section 13 appears to be on its way to demise. However, I must remind the readers here that this Section was enacted mostly at the request of Jews to combat anti-Semitism. Most of the complainants before the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal have been Jewish individuals or groups and they got full satisfaction from the CHRT.

    http://www.freedomsite.org:80/legal/Closing_submi…

    However, when Muslims started to use Section 13 against people like Steyn and Levant (both Jews), they didn't like it anymore and started to fight it, and in fact the cases agains them were dismissed.

    So Judge Hadjis was in a dilema. How can he find all those "anti-Semites" guilty, but the islamophobes innocents. So he decided that the Section was unconstitutional. Good for him

    • R.B. Glennie

      yup "George", it's always the nefarious Jews.

      Some facts: Steyn is not Jewish; Levant is, but have you actually checked out what he has to say about what he calls the `official Jews', the Canadian Jewish Congress?

      But, I know, facts are nothing to you, sissyphase, Twitchell and the rest of the haters.

      • George

        Yeah, Glennie, I know. Here is what is stated in his bio on Wikipedia: "Steyn was born in Toronto to a family of Jewish descent, however he was baptized a Catholic and later confirmed in the Anglican Church". So, despite his changes of religion, he is still of "Jewish descent".

        As to CJC, "The Canadian Jewish Congress disagrees with the decision, and has called for an appeal."

        http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomm…

        As to your last sentence, this is exactly the reason why Section 13 should be abolished. Every time someone mentions "Jews", he is "a hater" and the likes of Warman could go after him using CHRC.

        • R.B. Glennie

          *Yeah, Glennie, I know. Here is what is stated in his bio on Wikipedia: "Steyn was born in Toronto to a family of Jewish descent, however he was baptized a Catholic and later confirmed in the Anglican Church". So, despite his changes of religion, he is still of "Jewish descent".*

          Which, as you point out, makes him, you know, not-Jewish. Just as myself, even tho. my grandparents were born in Scotland, is not Scottish. My other ancestors were Irish Catholics. Does that make me of `Catholic descent'?

          *Every time someone mentions "Jews", he is "a hater" and the likes of Warman could go after him using CHRC.*

          Every time someone mentions Jews in a bigoted manner, yes, I will go after you. And, only in your fevered imagination did the CHRC `go after' anyone who mentioned `Jews'.

          Your squirrels and those of Conway Twitchell above, will have plenty to discuss I know.

          • George

            And that is precisely the problem. Who decides what is bigoted? Why are Jews supposed to be the only ones that cannot be criticised?

            Here is a good article for you by a Jew.

            http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2…

          • R.B. Glennie

            George, I've been saying this for twenty years – however, I'm glad even bigots like you will have the opportunity to make fools of themselves, with only informal sanctions applying.

          • George

            Glennie, there is no bigotry in truth. But morons like you can't understand it.

  • R.B. Glennie

    but never as deep as your squirrels, Conway Twitchell.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

      It might well be time to cut back.

      • R.B. Glennie

        No, I think you need to increase you meds, Conway.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

          I see you're finding whole new approaches to sounding lame. Keep up the pioneer spirit.

          • R.B. Glennie

            Whereas your approaches always were lame! Congrats Conway.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell
          • R.B. Glennie

            sure – you haven't even read it yourself, evidently.

            after you bone up on that, I'd suggest you peruse this -

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projec…

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            Apparently self-awareness isn't your strongest suit.

            Meanwhile: ” target=”_blank”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.B.Glennie_is_a_com…

          • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            Apparently self-awareness isn't your strongest suit.

            Meanwhile: htlp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.B.Glennie_is_a_nut…

          • R.B. Glennie

            …and Conway Twitchell finally reaches the summit of Mount Lameness!

            How's the squirrels and you enjoying the view?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            I'll give you this: you're nothing if not persistent.

          • R.B. Glennie

            You didn't read the article on `projection' did you Conway?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            Can't say I follow your work.

          • R.B. Glennie

            can you and your squirrels follow anything?

  • mary jones

    Mark Steyn is a canadian hero who just gave us back some freedom -as a journalist he is the best as is Ezra Levant..both these men have boldly and courageously fought on and won against a corrupt government group – paid with our tax dollars, when will all canadian men and woman have the guts to stand up as these men did and just 'oust them'.. it is high time..
    Thank you Mark and Ezra for letting me feel just one little more free in the country I came to as a young woman but which under the Liberal government – became a socialist state!! Canadians must be freed!

  • Dick Richards

    Things are so great down south, I can't wait until we're just a big, cold reflection of America.

  • Mike T.

    This determination is almost certainly incorrect and will not be followed by the tribunal in further cases, let alone stand on appeal.

    • George

      If you had some legal training, you would know that this decision constitutes a precedent which CHRT is bound to follow. So, for the time being, Section 13 is indeed dead.

      Because CHRC is a government body, only the government can appeal this decision, not B'Nai Brith of CJC or some other Jewish organisation. It seems that only Jews object to this decision. However, I must say that Jews have enough financial and political power in Canada to force the government to institute an appeal. We will see.

  • The LS from SK

    Mike Steyn and Ezra Levant are modern day heros. They literally have saved Canada from those that wanted to curtail and limit freedom of speech (and did from over 1 decade via Section 13).

    The antics and tactics (witnessed by the Ag as well as various Special Interest Groups [CJC, BB, and FOSW]) were such that in my mind bordered on illegal and certainly immoral appear not to have been condemned by the "Intervenors" who roll merely along asking for an APPEAL. Go figure.

    I would hope criminal charges would be part of their appeal.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Toonie Toonie

    As Mary has said – Steyn and Levant are real Canadian heros. They (plus Lemire) for having the tenacity to DARE fight back has in a small way helped restore Freedom of Speech into a Canadian context.

    The man in the picture got described as"The bravest ever Canadian ever" in a puff piece in the Ottawa Citizen in 2007 but the halo appears to have become a bit tarnished in the Lustig ruling and even more in Warman v.Lemire by Hjais.

    And even more so for the intervenors who witnessed the antics and tactics, stood by and did NOTHING. While they are demanding an APPEAL, no where have they apologized for allowing this travesty of justice to occur under their watch. That includes the AG!

    But to the CHRC officers and managers – have any been disciplined, dismissed or otherwise counselled? Has an internal inquiry been convened to see what other "infractions" were commited – how many other racist posts were posted by employees and ex-employees? Me thinks not.

    But thanks Macleans for having Steyn as a contributor. I renewed my subscription again. Perhaps next have Levant join the team?

  • r martin

    the krob is likely a orofessor at a canadian university. he appears to be both illiterate and incapable of reasoning.

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