Compromising positions: Ignatieff and the HST

by kadyomalley on Sunday, September 20, 2009 1:54pm - 106 Comments

iggysept21It came at the tail end of the scrum, which is probably why it garnered relatively little media coverage. But even in mid-liveblog mode, an ITQ eyebrow went up when Michael Ignatieff was asked about his party’s seemingly contradictory position on the GST/PST harmonization plans in British Columbia and Ontario.

Instead of simply answering the question, he reminded reporters that he’s the leader of the opposition, not the government, and, as such, “doesn’t have to have a position” — which, as far as he is concerned, meant that he didn’t have to clarify it.

Which, of course, is true: No one held a gun to his head and forced him to pick a side in the Great HST Debate of 2009.  Unfortunately for Ignatieff, however, not only did he take a position, but for a while, there, he seems to been have holding both of them — at the same time. The facts, as the Narrator might say, were these:

At some point during the last few weeks, someone at OLO made the strategic decision to go after the government on the HST deals in British Columbia in Ontario,almost certainly to boost Liberal support in two regions where it is both critical and — at least, according to the most recent polls — starting to slide.

Given the widespread public outrage over the tax — particularly in BC, but likely to grow in Ontario as well — it must have seemed, on the surface, like a smart move, particularly in what then seemed likely to be the leadup to a fall campaign.

The catch? Apparently, around the same time, someone else at OLO had given Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty the distinct impression that a future Liberal government would honour the existing agreement with Ottawa. Which is why when he was asked about it in a scrum last week, McGuinty was only too happy to go on the record with his understanding of Ignatieff’s views on the HST deal.

Not surprisingly, this left the federal Liberals rather unexpectedly on the defensive. John McCallum, the party’s finance critic, assured Hill reporters that the premier would soon be issuing a “clarification”. A few hours later,  McGuinty’s office released a terse statement that, as it turned out, didn’t clarify much at all, except that the wink-and-a-nod on the HST didn’t come from Ignatieff himself, but some unnamed — but  surely fairly senior — member of his team.

If that is what happened — and as far as ITQ knows, nobody at OLO has denied it — it isn’t hard to see why McGuinty would have assumed that the deal was safe, and after Ignatieff’s comments last Friday, he — not to mention the rest of us — deserve to know whether he was misled — unintentionally or otherwise — by someone speaking on Ignatieff’s behalf.

Really, when you get down to it, it goes to credibility — Ignatieff’s, that is, and not just on the HST, but in general. It would be different if this was the first time that we’d seen the Liberal leader attempt to have it both ways on a contentious issue, but it isn’t. (Round one of Ignatieff vs. Asbestos, anyone?) If he and his party are planning to campaign on the prime minister’s behind-closed-doors musings, he’d better make sure that he isn’t just as vulnerable to that line of attack.

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  • John

    Tories spend five times more on stimulus ads than flu awareness

    – Globe and Mail, Sunday, September 20, 2009

    • Maureen

      And if it was the responsibility of the federal government I would be concerned – however health is a PROVINCIAL responsibility so I would expect that the provinces would be doing a lot more to get people aware of flue clinics, handwashing, what to do if you are sick (since the provinces run the health districts/hospitals) etc. etc. etc.

      • wilson

        Where the government of canada is responsible for healthcare delivery, is for First Nations.
        And the government and native leaders have responded with a common sense approach.

      • janwebb

        Maureen,
        You are correct. As a community nurse, I receive daily updates from our health authority on the status of ANY communicable disease which affects the communities we serve. Each province has a Ministry of Health. Each of the regional Health Authorities are responsible to the provincial Health Minister. Each community is different–urban, rural or remote and the delivery of health care services is unique in each region.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/TwoYen TwoYen

    Let’s see if I understand this right.

    The provinces say they need more money for health care, education and infrastructure.

    Prime Minister Harper cuts the GST in order to allow provinces more room to increase revenues from a harmonized PST.

    There is less money flowing out of the taxpayers pocket, but more money flowing into priorities that Canadians say is important – health care, education and infrastructure.

    Mike Ignatieff says he has no position on this because…?

    a)it’s a provincial responsibility and his party has no position on federal/provincial tax issues
    b)he’s opposed to more efficient tax systems
    c)he doesn’t want the Conservatives to steal his ideas
    d)all of the above

    • John

      Will someone please explain to me why I think you are full of sh*t TwoYen?

    • wilson

      e) taking a position blows his Harpers Sales Tax line of attack.
      But I think McCallum already blew that when he said ' a harmonized sales tax is just what the doctor ordered for the economy'…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/TwoYen TwoYen

    Ignatieff wants us to travel overseas while we are young.

    Ok. I get it. We should work and pay taxes overseas to foreign governments, but return to Canada when we are old so we can collect our pension and health benefits from those Canadians who can't afford to travel overseas.

    Sounds like a winning position to me.

    • wilson

      I'm sure all of those parents who can't afford to even buy school supplies, send their kids to summer camp, or hockey school, or …….. will like that one, eh.

      • Gawd

        my mom could barely afford the school supplies

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

    One of Wells's rules states that those who campaign to be opposition leader are usually successful. But, be fair to Mr. Ignatieff: it is only very recently that he has realized that he IS the opposition leader, that it is his job to both oppose the present government and to offer an alternative option to the electorate.

    He'll have to clue in eventually. He's not stupid.

    • Gawd

      yes he is

  • MDF

    It's the usual Liberal tactic. HST if necessary, but not necessarily HST. Just like conscription, BOMARC missiles, wage and price controls, free trade, the GST and the list goes on.

  • connie

    Mr.Ignatieff . Why the Canadians hate him.? Finally, I got the answer.He can't make a decision as a leader so sad.
    WE FEEL SORRY ABOUT THIS LIBERAL LEADER.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Douglass Douglass

      Is that a royal we? Or do you speak for a crowd?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/AaronArmstrong Aaron Armstrong

    Ignatieff aside, I'm still struggling to understand why the provincial Liberals think the HST is actually a good idea? A one-time payout of $1000 and a reduction of $368 on income taxes is not likely to take the sting out of the extra outgo for the majority of Canadians, even is (and it's a big if) there's a discernible increase in service quality.

    • Gawd

      the trend seems to be towards poorer service quality

    • janwebb

      Aaron, I think the provincial gov'ts. of both B.C. and Ontario are thinking it will help to offset the massive provincial deficits.

  • Gawd

    its funny when they can't win an argument with me so they go to all manner of lowlife including impersonating my online identity or their vile and worthless tactics (John)

  • Gawd

    the liberals are done and them and all their followers shall be tossed into that Lake of Fire where there is only weeping and gnashing of teeth and they shall thirst!!! but NOOO!!!! NARY A DROP TO DRINK!!!!!!

    Mwahahahahahahaha! liberals suck

  • an online reader

    While we are asking Iggy and harper to clarify HST & no new tax stand how about explaining several policy issues ?

    Does making the E.I. appointed people responsable for setting new E.I. contribution rates meet the no new taxes promise ?

    How about a clear answer if drug company gets a no fault pass on H1N1 vaccinations ?

    The list of questions is long while the only answers are leaked ones like the Nato commanders report .

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/psiclone psiclone

    Does anyone else note the irony here? What If Iggy actually makes to be PM someday say in 2012 or so and let's say that by then he has promised to get rid of the HST? ROFL – now it could turn out that the HST may be a much better and more efficent way of collecting revenue than separate PST and GST – does anyone welse out there know where I am going with this? ROFL (Harper with GST now Iggy with HST) I wonder what he would do as compared with Harper IF he promises to modify, lower or get rid of the HST?

    • an online reader

      Did Flaherty not say it all ? (better tax move , poor tax implementation)

      Did he not mean make HST revenue neutral by lowering income tax ? (Ontario appears to be going in that direction )

  • KeenObserver

    A few questions for Ignatieff:

    Who should Canadians believe? A Premier who has never hidden his support for the HST hike, or yourself who has left Canadians guessing where you stand?

    When federal legislation is tabled to implement this tax hike, will you support that legislation? Will you order your caucus to as well?

  • herringchoker

    Did anyone check to see where Austan Goolsbee was when all this was going down?

  • cantuc

    If you don't like Ignatiefs position on something , relax for 15 minutes and ask him the same question again . Don't worry , be happy . To 95 per cent of people that vote liberal it doesn't matter what the liberals say or do or steal or don't do . If stealing mattered to liberal voters there would be no liberal party .

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/danby danby

    If lying or stealing matters to the Conservative party, how do you explain the recent love-in for Brian Mulroney?
    The problem with partisan finger pointing is that the finger can easily point both ways. Do you recall the Pacific Scandal under the first Conservative government?

  • cantuc

    adscam wasn't 100 years in the past . Most of the same people involved are stil there . nice try though

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/danby danby

    You're missing the point. Name a government that has not lied, misdirected, muddied, misled, buried or outright stolen?
    You can't name one, including the current one.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/danby danby

    You're missing the point. Name a government that has not lied, misdirected, muddied, misled, buried or outright stolen?
    You can't name one, including the current one.

  • cantuc

    why not add picked their nose in public while you're grasping at straws there ?

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