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Coderre's old habits die hard

by Philippe Gohier on Monday, September 28, 2009 12:31pm - 31 Comments

The Star‘s Susan Delacourt combs the archives:

The executive of the Quebec youth wing of the Liberal Party will ask for the resignation of party leader John Turner at a news conference scheduled for Monday in Montreal.

Time has run out for Mr. Turner, Denis Coderre, the president of the Young Liberals of Quebec , said in a telephone interview yesterday.

Mr. Coderre, once a strong Turner loyalist, co-ordinated the pro-Turner youth movement at the convention that confirmed Mr. Turner’s leadership last November, and was also youth organizer during his 1984 leadership campaign.

Tags: denis coderre, John Turner, Liberal, Liberal leadership, Michael Ignatieff

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Alykhan Velshi

And look what happened to Turner…
wilson

Now Coderre is from the Old Liberals of Quebec.
http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

Coderre's career progression: Turner loyalist –> Chretien loyalist —> Ignatieff loyalist —> Coderre loyalist

http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

I think he has always been a Coderre loyalist, all the others were means to an end. Not that there is anything wrong with tthat….

But I find it amazing that he harbours some internal belief that he could be Prime Minister……I dont mean to be unkind but, well this demonstartes it in Iggy terms

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http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

If you shall permit a slight correction, the progression has actually been as follows:

Coderre loyalist —> Coderre loyalist —> Coderre loyalist —> Coderre loyalist —> Coderre loyalist
http://intensedebate.com/people/JulesAime JulesAime

Whatever we might thing of Coderre, and I've never been a fan, the real story here is about Ignatieff and it's hard to read this as anything but a fatal blow to his hopes. He might hold on as party leader a little longer, but any chance of being PM is now gone.

http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

You make it all sound so simple.

http://intensedebate.com/people/JulesAime JulesAime

The resignation isn't what makes me conclude this, it's the deeper weakness it is a symptom of. Everything about this incident shows us that Ignatieff is no longer respected or feared and he knows it. Ignatieff should have been able to tell Coderre to suck it up if he still inspired real respect. And if Coderre told he couldn't then he should have been able to tell him, "Don't just resign your shadow cabinet position buddy."

http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

But according to Iggy himself, he is "Loved", especially by anonymous people coming up to him at dinners in Trois Rivieres.

Its always a problem when you have to be your on endorser…..

http://intensedebate.com/people/Scott_Tribe Scott_Tribe

Wow.. I didn't know we were on Iggy death watch already. We at least gave Dion the time to get to an election before we declared him dead. Methinks you're jumping the gun here a bit.

Bill D, Cat

Bitter clinger .
http://intensedebate.com/people/Dennis_F Dennis_F

We at least gave Dion the time to get to an election before we declared him dead.

Are you living in some kind of alternative universe?

In fact, and despite Iggy's recent bravado, it surprises me how similar the relative progress of the two men as leaders has been. High standing upon becoming leader. Lots of hope in the media. Tories come out with attack ads that outrage the hopesters. Leader standing begins to fall as actions don't meet words and poll numbers fall.

At least that's the political universe I've been watching lately — for both leaders. You?

http://intensedebate.com/people/JulesAime JulesAime

Exactly right.

Which raises the obvious question, is there any reason at all to believe that Rae would fare differently?

(And to answer, he might if he could somehow maneuver Ignatieff into provoking and losing an election first.)
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/JulesAime JulesAime

Exactly right.

Which raises the obvious question, is there any reason at all to believe that Rae would fare differently?

(And to partly answer my own question, he might if he could somehow maneuver Ignatieff into provoking and losing an election first.)
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/JulesAime JulesAime

Exactly right.

Which raises the obvious question, is there any reason at all to believe that Rae would fare differently?

(And to partly answer my own question, he might if Rae could somehow maneuver Ignatieff into provoking and losing an election before he took over.)

http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

Fair comment….however, after having watched a couple of hull cracking disasters, the Green Shift election and the coalition attempt, I am not sure certain Liberal elders are eager to silently let the rookie captain drive them so close to the shoals again.

I think this is a video of Senator David Smith's nightmare the other night

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Dot

But, but, but…This is the new Coderre fresh with an MBA from U of Ottawa…he's like the RIM of the Liberal Party.
http://intensedebate.com/people/Dennis_F Dennis_F

To be fair to Coderre, who I've never refrained from criticizing before, he probably had no choice but to resign once Iggy so utterly and publicly undermined him. And he's certainly not asking anyone to resign. In fact, the comments that I heard from him today seemed, for the most part, rather diplomatic and conciliatory — given the circumstances.

http://intensedebate.com/people/john_g2708 john g

The spoken comments were tame, but the timing of his announcement, on the day Ignatieff tables a non confidence vote and needs to reply to the Harper report card speech, shows the handle sticking clearly out of Ignatieff's back.

NoName

See, I would tend to disagree there. I think it's timed to get the least possible attention in the next few media cycles, thereby limiting the damage.

http://nottawa.blogspot.com Mark

Next time I want to 'get the least possible attention' I'll be sure to call a press conference and invite the national press gallery.

NoName

Well, yeah, there's that part… But at the same time, what are the other options? Making no announcement would lead to daily questions about leadership and the fate of Coderre. Just announcing it in a news release would just prolong the whole thing, add to the speculation, and eventually lead to a press conference anyway. This way, it's over with, there's no follow up or intrigue, and everyone can just move on.

http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

There once was a man named Coderre,
Who had no star candidates to spare.
He picked one anointed,
But this disappointed,
So Ignatieff spanked his derriere.
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

There once was a man named Coderre,
Who had no star candidates to spare.
He picked one anointed,
But this disappointed,
So Ignatieff kicked his derriere.

scf

nice that you even added the french touch with the final word

http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

*bows*

Guest

I would like to know why the CBC gives the wife of a convicted drug runner free air time to bash the PCs
http://intensedebate.com/people/Dennis_F Dennis_F

I also find it interesting that Iggy's new bravado was supposed to have addressed any internal doubts about his leadership. The exact opposite seems to be happening at the moment. In fact, other than humiliating Jack Layton, it's hard to see just what Iggy has accomplished with his latest choice of strategy.
scf

I think Iggy made a mistake appointing boorish egotists like Kinsella and Coderre, guys like that will turn on you in an instant unless you're as boorish as they are. And Iggy is not.
http://intensedebate.com/people/TwoYen TwoYen

I think it is too soon to say that the Coderre resignation is a fatal blow to Ignatieff's hopes to become PM, but it does raise a question as to whether it is true that he is "not a leader".
Justin

Get your talking points straight. Dion was not a leader. Ignatieff is just visiting and only in it for himself.