Taking sides

Was propping up the Tories the right move for Jack Layton’s NDP?

by Aaron Wherry on Monday, September 28, 2009 1:15pm - 22 Comments

This is what Joe Comartin says he’s hearing. “I think most people in my area, I like to think we have fairly sophisticated voters here, their analysis is that we have the election, we spend the $300 million to $350 million and we don’t get much change. What they’d prefer for us to do is to try to hammer away at the government and try to get the [EI] criteria changed,” says Comartin, the Windsor NDP MP who has acknowledged the proposed EI changes won’t help many autoworkers in his riding.

Comartin says there is little else on the agenda that would compel the NDP to reverse course again. Corporate tax cuts or an extension to the Afghanistan mission would be deal breakers, but neither is likely to come up this fall. The NDP opposes a proposed free trade deal with Colombia, but the Liberals support it, potentially, Comartin figures, putting Ignatieff in an awkward spot.

In the meantime, if Layton can stand the jeers on Parliament Hill, the NDP may yet seem the conscience of Ottawa it periodically claims to be. “I’ll be honest with you, I’ve never, ever had confidence in Stephen Harper,” Stoffer says. “But I am comfortable in looking at the lay of the land and seeing the situation out there, and the reality is it is a change for the NDP, there’s no question. But, again, if we’re able to do something constructive, then at least that’s something positive.”

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  • Fred – Brandon MB

    Jack swallowed his pride and did the best thing for the country. It also helped that avoiding an election was good for the NDP who stood to lose support and seats.

    Ignatieff stills plows ahead stubbornly trying to give the Conservatives that majority they covet.

    • Sick of politics

      It's comments like this that make me worry for Canada. I mean, had Ignatieff, or Dion, or any other Liberal leader "swallowed his pride" to do the best thing for the country, he'd be lambasted (and was) for propping up Harper. It drives me nuts how hypocritical partisan Canadian voters can be: "if the leader of my party does it, woohoo; if any other leader does it, tsk tsk tsk."

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/frenchie101 frenchie101

      Jack saw his polling numbers.That is why there is no election' yet.' Ignatieff should be very afraid right now.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/danby danby

    We like to snicker at the US, but at the moment, this country is as divided as our neighbour to the south.

    Jack voted 79 times against the government because he could not support the way they operate…..and then Jack changed his mind for the good of Canadians. The truth is that Jack is looking out for himself and his party, just like Stephen and Michael.
    I love this country too much not to vote, but these guys surely tempt me.

    • Rob

      I wouldn't go as far as saying were as divided as our neighbours to south. Maybe we would be in the Conservatives governed like conservatives and could get elected as conservatives, but they have moved so far to the centre they are indistinguishable from the Liberals in many ways. I'm not so sure its that Canadians are divided, but rather complacent. None of the parties are offering anything really different so Canadians would rather just sit where they are.

  • oppo guy

    Just a correction Danby. Jack never "voted 79 times against the government".

    The point isn't about the NDP (who have voted with the Tories on some issues, of course). It's that the Liberals have been in lock step with Harper. They gave the Harper government a pass on confidence matters 79 times. And for what? A lunch meeting with Pierre Pollievre?

    At least the NDP got $1 billion for the unemployed. What have the Liberals to show for their complicity?

  • Dick Richards

    oppo guy –"Just a correction Danby. Jack never "voted 79 times against the government"".

    Jack Layton –"Look at the record – 79 times in succession it hasn't been the NDP that Mr. Harper has counted on to get support,"

    Dick Richards –"oppo guy is probably right; when Jack said he voted against the Harper government 79 times, that was probably an opportunistic lie too

  • Kyle

    The one thing I don't get about the NDP's billion dollar line is that the NDP vehemently opposed the $1.2 billion for extending EI bennefits by 5 weeks. This bennefited all people who have to rely on EI.
    Now the NDP is supporting the government in exchange for $1 billion that is aimed only at a segment of the unemployed populace.
    Why is this billion, aimed only at long tenured workers, worth supporting the government when $1.2 billion for all EI recipients had to be opposed at all costs?

  • Tripper523

    Jack Layton, as the catalyst to either cause or avoid an election, couldn't help but benefit himself. Mikhail Igneutiev is the only perpetual loser here, as the politicking continues. PM Stephen Harper is running a pretty steady ship, considering the turbulence, and NDP MP Joe Cromartin's read of his constituents is correct.
    Doing what they can to hold the Government to account, in the existing Parliament, theoretically should have a positive impact on all Canadians.

  • captcold

    only in Canada could this gong show even be considered as governance

  • Too smart for spin

    Spin, spin, spin – the NDP, without even blinking an eye, will spin anything completely inside out, to try to make their baldy little man look good. They must really think that 85% of Canadian voters are dumb as dirt – or at least dumb as the 15% that vote NDP. A Dipper can look right in to the camera, and spin lies till the cows come home, without even blinking. Zero scruples; zero integrity – maximum hypocrisy. It's the NDP way!

    • Katie

      Please do not pretend that our friends Stephen and Michael do not do exactly the same thing always in all ways and more … it is not the NDP way – it is, unfortunately, the Canadian way … where oh where have all the good men gone? What I would not give for a Pierre Trudeau, a Tommy Douglas, or a Lester B. Pearson … do we have to wait for Justin to grow up before we can have real leadership?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/HarveyMushman HarveyMushman

        "… do we have to wait for Justin to grow up before we can have real leadership? "

        Oh…right…then Ben Mulroney for the Conservatives, Michael Cera for the Greens and Keanu Reeves for the NDP!

        Canada would be awash in leaders then.

  • Modust

    Mr Harper's speech was the best speech the NDP have ever given.
    A coalition born in the voters interest.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ed_Sweeney Ed_Sweeney

    This whole 'call Jack a hypocrite' schtick is a bit silly. For obvious reasons, this is the best choice for Layton, and it is only the vehemence in his opposition of yore, that makes him look a bit ridiculous now. Blaming him for taking a much more practical approach now, when he finally has the opportunity to exercise some power, and little ability to fight a campaign, seems to be piling it on.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

      Indeed, it is a quirk of minority government, that's all. The super-double-reverse-inward quirk (with a half-pike) has been that the leading opposition party has refused to oppose, both under Dion and Ignatieff, until this last week.

      Stands to reason that the lesser parties have been irrelevant courtship targets for so long.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

    Corporate tax cuts or an extension to the Afghanistan mission would be deal breakers, but neither is likely to come up this fall.

    Oh, for a FU that kills the undeserved free money for all the parties…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

    Stoffer: "… you can spend $300 million on an election or, hopefully, get a billion dollars for most of our supporters out there."

    Wow, most of your supporters are recently unemployed former longish-term workers? Even in a recession, that seems a little… narrow of a target market.

    Oh, and Peter, care to describe where that billion is "gotten" from? Not your supporters?

  • Kelly

    I applaud Jack for not sending us into ANOTHER federal election. I am 22 years old and can't remember the last time we had a majority government- it seems Canada will never get out of the minority government curse.

    • http://skinnydips.blogspot.com Skinny Dipper

      I'm 29+ years old. Except for the last four years, I can only remember majority governments..They were called "elected dictatorships." You'll be complaining if and when we get them.

  • http://skinnydips.blogspot.com Skinny Dipper

    The NDP needs three to five priorities that it can present to the public in the next election. Right now, I'm not sure what the focus is for the NDP. The overall priority is to get as many seats as possible. There is no need to strive for Jack being PM or opposition leader. Just increase the seat total.

    Campaign in areas where the NDP may have a chance in winning. The priorities should help the NDP win the swing seats. There is no point campaigning in St. Louis du Ha!-Ha! or Pohénégamouk when the party won't have a chance winning seats there. Certainly visit Mulclair's riding and then get out of Quebec and try to win winnable seats.

    The NDP should set itself up by aiming for the 2014? election.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/coastlogger coastlogger

    When you are as broke as the dippers and totally out of touch with voters you do not want to loose yet another election. Look at the NDP finances. That is how government finances would look if Jack had custody of the chequebook.

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