The Coderre Affair vs. The Stimulus Update

by kadyomalley on Monday, September 28, 2009 3:47pm - 24 Comments

2:55:32 PM
Welcome back to the liveblog, where, after a brief QP-induced hiatus, ITQ has left her perch in the Hot Room for the crush of the Foyer, where reaction to the update, she still holds out hope, is about to pour forth. It’s a frenzy of activity here already; reporters circling the waiting mics like so many psychic vultures. There will be blood! We can smell it! Wait, no, that’s just the Coderre contingent.

3:00:54 PM
Hey, here’s Jack Layton!

You snooze, you lose, Liberals; he’s got the main scrum right now. Unfortunately, ITQ was a fraction of a second too late to the cordon, and can’t make out a single word he’s saying, although the occasional syllable that makes it through the maw sounds suspiciously like part of the same talking point from the week before last (and since): they’re here to help those unemployed Canadians, although the number appears to have dropped from 200,000 to — something less, although he won’t say what it is. It’s all about the billion dollars.

People are “literally” telling him that they’re at risk of losing their homes, and have lost hope. But how *many*, a reporter wants to know. Layton doesn’t seem eager to give specifics.

Another reporter brings up the fiscal updates – what does he think about them, now that they seem to involve photo-ops of the prime minister riding a caboose?

He hasn’t yet had the opportunity to read it, as it turns out, so he doesn’t want to comment yet. Although presumably, he’ll still vote for it.

3:05:34 PM
“A billion dollars is a lot of money,” Layton reminds us. When a reporter points out that we’ve already heard that line, he snips that we can always hear it again.

3:08:23 PM
And now, a moment with Gilles Duceppe, who is annoyed that the government is spending more money on the auto sector than forestry. Also, he’s not surprised by Coderre’s complaint that the Liberals are running Quebec out of Toronto; that’s what all parties – other than his, of course – do.

3:10:11 PM
You know, scrums really aren’t designed for those of less than Amazonian proportions. (By which, of course, ITQ means anyone taller than 5’2.

3:11:04 PM
And here he is — Ignatieff, that is — with a “brief statement” on the update. He notes that, when the Liberals came up with this idea of demanding probation reports, they wanted “real action”, but instead, the government has been “playing with words.” As such, it has come down to ‘basic trust’ — they’ve had enough of these games, and that’s why they’re going to bring forward a ‘very simple’ motion on Thursday.

3:14:12 PM
On Denis Coderre — he regrets the decision, and he’s not going to replace him — for now, that is. (That explosion you just heard was the collective heads of all those Liberals who have been questioning the very notion that a Quebec lieutenant is necessary since the Chretien era.)

3:15:34 PM
Amid shrieks of English — bilingualism, scrum-style — Ignatieff switches tongues, says something vaguely positive about Coderre’s contributions, and then goes off on a tangent about how Quebeckers come up to him in restaurants to tell him they want a moderate, centrist Canada, with him as prime minister. Without the approval of the Quebec lieutenant? ITQ thinks not! Who do these Quebeckers think they are?

3:17:37 PM
“This is another great day in the life of the Leader of the Opposition,” he says, taking a pleasing – and uncharacteristic – self-deprecating approach when asked what this means as far as election readiness. He tries to do his My Dinner in Trois Rivieres story again, but is virtually drowned out by the bellow coming from directly behind ITQ: “BUT THAT WAS BEFORE CODERRE SAID WHAT HE SAID, SIR!” See, Colleague Wells? This did too change everything?

3:19:38 PM
Also, does anyone find it odd that after we spent all of last week telling anyone who would listen that Denis Coderre was doing incalculable damage to Liberal fortunes in Quebec, yet now that he’s gone, we’re just as adamant that this is a possibly fatal blow against Ignatieff’s leadership?

Mulcair nailes it in his scrum, which ITQ just joined midway through: When one’s adversaries are self-destructing, don’t intervene. Y’all might want to heed him on that one, Conservatives.

3:22:56 PM
And — hey, there’s John Baird, and he’s talking percentages! September, it seems, will be the ‘biggest month yet’ as far as stimulus spending — why, in the last two weeks, $700 million was announced in BC; if there had been an election, that wouldn’t have happened. Well, the *announcement* might not have happened, but that doesn’t mean money wouldn’t have changed hands, does it? I mean, normal-sized cheques are still legal tender too, and anyway, don’t the bills have to start coming in before the federal government will start paying them?

3:25:21 PM
John Baird hasn’t met anyone in the last few weeks who wants an election. What, skipping cabinet now, are we? (Kidding!)

3:29:17 PM
Alright, that seems to be it for the scrums — when the TV lights go off, it’s time to flee. I’ll meet you back on the other side of the wall o’ spin.

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  • Mulletaur

    "Also, does anyone find it odd that after we spent all of last week telling anyone who would listen that Denis Coderre was doing incalculable damage to Liberal fortunes in Quebec, yet now that he’s gone, we’re just as adamant that this is a possibly fatal blow against Ignatieff’s leadership ?"

    That's okay, it's better to be consistent. As in, consistently wrong. Geesh.

  • http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com bigcitylib

    You could bring a box to stand on.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

      It's her role in life to cut 'em down to size.

  • Lee

    I'm only seeing positive things from Coderre's exit.

    I've heard a lot of applause from grassroots Liberals about the open nomination meetings. The read I'm getting is that they're enormously happy at even the slightest change from an appointment, lieutenant system to one where local members can actually vote on the parachuted candidates. The Liberal grassroots tend to like Martin Cauchon, too.

    Denis Coderre is making himself out to be this enormously beloved figure in Quebec on whose say-so the party fortunes live or die. He's not at all.

    • Lee

      To add to my previous comment, Denis Coderre is also from the scandale des commandites wing of the Quebec PLC… many Liberals were groaning in January when he was appointed Quebec lieutenant, and this almost inevitable result is exactly why. The old guard members of the Quebec Liberal Party are absolutely the worst of any Liberals of maintaining party unity.

      "Kid Coderre" resigning in a huff is good news, especially for Quebec Liberals tired of ridiculous palace intrigues, and who just want to win elections.

      This "It's all the Toronto advisors fault!" is the most ridiculous, petulant excuse I have ever heard, and I find it odd that the media are even giving it credence. Oh poor, martyred Denis! It couldn't be that he made a bad call and embarrassed his party publicly, thus forcing Ignatieff to go over his head to save face and quell a grassroots backlash in Quebec and the rest of Canada. No – it's all the fault of people from TORONTO, obviously, because Toronto is where all the ignorant Anglophones live, just waiting to ignorantly interfere on his rightful iron grip on everything that happens in Quebec politics. All these Torontonians, like Martin Cauchon and the riding execs in Outremont and Jeanne – Le Ber, are out to get Denis Coderre. It's like Le Chandail de Hockey all over again! – except Denis Coderre's wearing a Habs sweater and English-language reporters (apparently clueless about Quebec) are taking his word that it reads "Maple Leafs".

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/psiclone psiclone

    Kady it is not often I wish I had your job, but today I would have paid anything to see and hear Mulcair go to work .. brilliant …. sharpen up the ol ginzo poltical knives as I smell a liberal roast in the oven and the temperature has just been turned up! I can see Harper, Layton and Duceppe talking over the day to their grand viziers all agreeing that their new liberal opponent sure does not compare with some of their past masters one can only find one recent skipper who steered the ship like this and that's Dion – ouch! -

  • Ted

    "Also, does anyone find it odd that after we spent all of last week telling anyone who would listen that Denis Coderre was doing incalculable damage to Liberal fortunes in Quebec, yet now that he’s gone, we’re just as adamant that this is a possibly fatal blow against Ignatieff’s leadership ?"

    Right up there with last week's "He's a failure as a leader because he won't question Coderre and relies on him too much" and this week's "he's a failure as a leader because he overruled his Quebec lieutenant."

    I prefer what Radwanski and Silver are pointing out: what a contrast to have a Liberal leader that puts the party ahead of personal loyalty and who you supported in the last leadership.

    • Lee

      Ignatieff OK'd such a win-win compromise for the Coderre-Cauchon showdown, too, whoever actually came up with it is irrelevant. Coderre got his star candidate nominated. Cauchon actually committed to running again, is well known, and will probably beat Muclair. It is a very different style of leadership, and one that prioritizes winning seats.

      Every Liberal was celebrating Friday, especially in Quebec, but Coderre. I think it was expected that Coderre would put the best face on it and carry on.
      But instead he did this press conference. He may as well kiss those leadership ambitions goodbye. To accept the ruling of the leader with grace would have given him an air of humility. To publicly knife Ignatieff in the back for not getting his own way? A step too far.

      I can see why people are saying losing the loyalty of the Quebec lieutenant is a blow for Ignatieff, but the issue is more Coderre's loyalty deficit.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ed_Sweeney Ed_Sweeney

    I think Mike's choice to bring forward a ‘very simple’ motion on Thursday – is well considered. Don't give them enough rope to hang you.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/frenchie101 frenchie101

      He wasn't even picked by the people. He was anointed.Gerrard passed him by for Dion.Is this the very best the libbies have to offer.Leblanc would have been a better choice but he doesnt hail from Quebec

  • Cauchon Translated

    I find it a little surprising how unscathed Cauchon is in all this.

    Didn't Iggy offer him the riding and he turned it down? Only to change his mind and then go public with his complaints and then, when Iggy tried to make concessions say that he would only run in Outremont?

    No one could be happier about Coderre getting knocked down to size, but Cauchon should be considered an early frontrunner in the next leadership race in 2018 if only because he is already being coddled by the media.

    • iggyland

      he is the next liberal leader! since there is no one else…..

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/YYZ YYZ

    I know this is "Inside the Queensway" and all – but how is it possible that we are prioritizing this Liberal insider crap rather than the stimulus update? It's possible that I may have missed it but could someone answer the following questions for me:

    (1) Of the stimulus money, what % and what total $ amount has left Ottawa? I do not care about announcements or money that's "flowing" – just tell me what is the total bloody value of the cheques that have been written?????!!!!!!!

    (2) The Liberals have argued that Conservative ridings have gotten a disproportionately high % of the stimulus spending. Has this been fact-checked? Are there numbers accurate?

    Maybe both of these have been covered and please, please could someone point it out to me if they have.

    • Ted

      The Conservatives have only replied by saying that they are being fair and questioning the numbers generally. They haven't tried to respond with facts or statistics or explanations.

      This is or should be the issue for the Liberals. It offends the basic sense of fairness among Canadians who receive the benefit of the Tory largesse and pisses off those who do not. And the discrepancy between Tory ridings and non-Tory ridings is too huge and obvious to be explained and certainly not explained easily.

    • an online reader

      By Don (change the channel) Martin, Calgary HeraldSeptember 29, 2009 2:02 AM

      Hidden in the annex on the last page of the report card, the government admitted it could not spend a full third of the $3-billion it rammed through the House of Commons last March on the pretext of emergency cash for shovel-ready projects. If they can't spend $3 billion, how will they dump $27 billion out the door in a hurry?

      • an online reader

        "Ignatieff faces the real non-confidence crisis"
        " Sagging in the polls with an outbreak of internecine bickering and a senior resignation in the party's Quebec flank, the real Liberal crisis of non-confidence seems targeted more at their party leader than the government "

        Sell the CBC and the Liberal press ?

        • an online reader

          Mused riding wouldn't get infrastructure cash because it's Liberal-held Sep 29, 2009

          Parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page says the government isn't sharing infrastructure-spending details he needs to determine whether the almost $16 billion over two years is being spent.

          Page said his office filed a request for specific infrastructure spending at the end of August but was stonewalled.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/YYZ YYZ

    I know this is "Inside the Queensway" and all – but how is it possible that we are prioritizing this Liberal insider crap rather than the stimulus update? It's possible that I may have missed it but could someone answer the following questions for me:

    (1) Of the stimulus money, what % and what total $ amount has left Ottawa? I do not care about announcements or money that's "flowing" – just tell me what is the total bloody value of the cheques that have been written?????!!!!!!!

    (2) The Liberals have argued that Conservative ridings have gotten a disproportionately high % of the stimulus spending. Has this been fact-checked? Are there numbers accurate?

    Maybe both of these have been covered and please, please could someone point it out to me if they have.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/YYZ YYZ

    I know this is "Inside the Queensway" and all – but how is it possible that we are prioritizing this Liberal insider crap rather than the stimulus update? It's possible that I may have missed it but could someone answer the following questions for me:

    (1) Of the stimulus money, what % and what total $ amount has left Ottawa? I do not care about announcements or money that's "flowing" – just tell me what is the total bloody value of the cheques that have been written?????!!!!!!!

    (2) The Liberals have argued that Conservative ridings have gotten a disproportionately high % of the stimulus spending. Has this been fact-checked? Are their numbers accurate?

    Maybe both of these have been covered and please, please could someone point it out to me if they have.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/frenchie101 frenchie101

    I for one am glad that Harper is not just speechifying in Ottawa. There is more to Canada than Ottawa and in point of fact if Iggy would take a lesson from Harper he would not have the problems with Quebec melting down right now for the LPT. Here we have D. Coderre loudly proclaiming to one and all that the LPC is actually the LPT as if anyone finds this news that the Lib's are run by the ol' bay St. Boys Club! Way to go Harper and all I have to say is thank god he is PM right now when we need someone just like him to take care of business until we are out of these ecconomic hard times as he has done an outstanding job as well as seems to know how to play whackamole' with oppostion leaders who spend all their times playing poltico games

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

      Ya, there is more to Canada than Ottawa – that why he should give his report in parliament – that represents the rest of Canada.

      You see, N. B. does not represent the rest of Canada – just one little province.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

    I watched an economist on CBC analysing Harper's report – media can't seem to be bothered.

    Boils down to – Harper's action plan didn't actually do much stimulating.

  • wilson

    And CTV had an expert on, giving Harper an absolutely glowing report.
    So take your pick. Unemployment figures dropped for the first time in 11 months, to think that happened all on it's own, is naive.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

    Wilson – shake your head there. CTV? ConTV – Fox News of the north. Hardly reliable.

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