While we wait for the Stephen Harper Action! Plan Update …

by kadyomalley on Monday, September 28, 2009 10:10am - 21 Comments

… which will kick off sometime around 1:30 pm Atlantic time — that’s 12:30 pm in Ottawa, for those of you who are, like ITQ, a wee bit timezone-challenged, and yes, the plan is to liveblog it, although via television and not, alas, from an Irving-owned machine shop in Saint John — a question for the ITQ breakfast club: Was it, in retrospect, a critical strategic error for the Liberals to have agreed to break for the G20 just days after the fall session had officially begun?

As far as she can tell, it was: it pretty much stalled any momentum the Liberals, at least, could have whipped up in advance of the stimulus update, not to mention the motion of non-confidence that would follow.

The fact that the prime minister would likely not have been in the House is not sufficient reason to call off QP for the week; there are other ministers, after all, that can — and should — be held accountable. Michael Ignatieff and Gerard Kennedy could still have taken off to Burlington to accuse the government of favouring Conservative ridings in allocating stimulus dollars, which would only have been intensified had there been a full contingent of Liberal critics back on the Hill to push the same message with the national press.

Most importantly, at least from the Liberal perspective, it would have given the opposition a far better chance at competing with the Conservatives for control of the news cycle, which the prime minister wound up dominating with ease, although not, it’s fair to say, garnering universally positive coverage. In exchange for that, the Liberals — for which one should read “Ignatieff”, since he was the one at the negotiating table —  got what, exactly, in return?

Then again, it’s possible that the government made that particular provision a deal breaker, which, if true, would suggest that they knew exactly how crucial that week could be in terms of giving the Liberals the opportunity to build their case for moving non-confidence in the government.

Your thoughts, commenters?

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  • anonymoose

    I tend to think that this shows what a weak position the Liberals are coming from. They just don't seem to be thinking 3 or steps ahead of right now (maybe they will prove me wrong), and feel free to use whatever metaphor you want..chess, football, etc.
    Even Sheila Copps, whom I am usually loath to agree with, saying "From his Tim Hortons perch in Oakville last week, Harper was able to dominate a major United Nations meeting in New York by boycotting anti-Semitic Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad." (Hill Times).

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      I actually lay the blame for this one squarely on the leader's shoulders, since he was the one who put himself – and his party – in such a ridiculous position last June. .

      • Gawd

        'cause he's a windbag

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

        The list of strategic errors is numerous. June 2009 was just another example of another ("mortal mistake"- Don Martin) by the Liberal party.

        The nomination battle in Outremont has become the latest public display of the Liberal Party internal power struggles.

        Regular voters are not connecting with the opposition party desire to have another election. It appears the Liberal party strategists are ignoring all the good news and only interested in negative facts to attack the CPC.

        I am not sure if it the tunnel vision of the Rosedale Gang or the leader lives in a bubble.

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

        The list of strategic errors is numerous. June 2009 was just another example of another ("mortal mistake"- Don Martin) by the Liberal party.

        The nomination battle in Outremont has become the latest public display of the Liberal Party internal power struggles.

        Regular voters are not connecting with the opposition party desire to have another election. It appears the Liberal party strategists are ignoring all the good news and only interested in negative facts to attack the CPC.

        I am not sure if it is the tunnel vision of the Rosedale Gang or the leader lives in a bubble.

  • Smith

    Kady…are you blogging the denis coderre press conference?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      As long as it doesn't conflict with the stimulus update or the reactions from the various party leaders, sure. Although Quebec Liberal fratricide is really Colleague Wells' specialty, not mine.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      Okay, apparently, I'm not, because I'm still getting organized for the stimulus update, and Denis Coderre is on my television screen as we speak.

  • anonymoose

    I think, however, that the more important and interesting question is how the Liberals can word a non-confidence motion that the NDP and Bloc have to support.

    • Ted

      "Be it resolved that the Members of Parliament have lost confidence in the Government."

      • anonymoose

        other than this going against things that Jack has stated, I don't think that this is enough.

  • Anon

    The Liberals may not have had a choice. Iggy was not really in a strong position in June. In return for the guaranteed opposition days, they probably had to agree to this week off. I'm not sure either party gained or lost from it.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

    [A] question for the ITQ breakfast club: Was it, in retrospect, a critical strategic error for the Liberals to have agreed to break for the G20 just days after the fall session had officially begun? As far as she can tell, it was: it pretty much stalled any momentum the Liberals, at least, could have whipped up in advance of the stimulus update, not to mention the motion of non-confidence that would follow.

    One must attain a certain MASS and a certain VELOCITY before one can claim to have any MOMENTUM. Given recent events, it is not a foregone conclusion that either element would have been obtainable with the House open for business.

    • Gawd

      ya over here we call it a dud

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

        It's the law of inertia and it's under appeal.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

          Bloody meddlesome courts are at it again, eh?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

    Kady, unless you have evidence, you must immediately withdraw the charge that Wells is killing his Liberal confrères in Québec.

    Oh, wait a sec, while I re-read that sentence…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

    Well only if getting a "successful" non confidence motion was the goal….it may have been way back, not sure if that still is the case. The Libs recent goals may be around trying slip the surly bounds of being "Dionized"…re fighting the last battle in my opinion.

    But you are correct it interrupts the flow. It just raises the question again of how ready the machine is, better than it was but far from ready for prime time.

  • http://yappadingding.blogspot.com/ Yappa

    Strategically, this seems to be working out well for Ignatieff, although it could just be dumb luck. He killed the coalition and saved the government by demanding an effective stimulus plan, and said he'd fell the government if they didn't provide it. In the summer he said he had grave concerns about the stimulus plan. Last week he and Kennedy released a report showing that only 12% of the money has been dispersed; and on top of that the Conservatives have disproportionately fattened their own ridings. Now (this is the lucky part) they have an opportunity to bring down the government on the stimulus update.

    Whatever way Harper spins this, Ignatieff has been responsible and credible in all these acts. The stimulus is a sham and we should have an election.

    • an online reader

      All parties in power also have spun unemployment numbers . Maybe the Prime minister or Layton will layout clear open #'s on Canadas workforce .

  • wilson

    There was no plan B and C.
    Libs went all in on the 'Harper gets to wear this recession', firmly (and with expert advice) believing that the recession would weaken the government by the summer, making Harper easy to topple.
    So they became non-participants in the stimulus budget,
    leaving a wide open field for Harper.
    Who knew Harper could buck history, and survive a recession?

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