Denis, Denis

by Andrew Coyne on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:53pm - 108 Comments

Denis, DenisIt was predictable enough that Denis Coderre would resign his position as the Liberals’ Quebec “lieutenant” in the wake of Michael Ignatieff’s decision to overrule him in the matter of who should carry the party banner in Outremont. Indeed, after such a public rebuff he could hardly do otherwise: his credibility was shot.

What was not so predictable, perhaps, was that he would do so in such a spectacularly destructive, and self-destructive, fashion: the political equivalent of a suicide bombing. To claim that he was the victim of a Toronto-based cabal — one that, by implication, also held Quebec in its grip — is a particularly incendiary charge in Quebec, ever alert to signs of Anglo domination.

It’s not true, of course: Coderre is not Quebec, and many if not most members of the Liberal Party in Quebec would prefer Martin Cauchon to Denis Coderre as their standard-bearer. Amongst those Liberals, I’d guess, would be a majority of the Quebec caucus, plus the party executiveand Jean Chretien.

But it would be no less unforgiveable if it were true. He has not only handed the party’s rivals a durable attack line in Quebec, but has grievously wounded the leader he pretends to support. And while this performance has in all likelihood extinguished whatever slim hopes Coderre might have had of succeeding him as leader, he has also effectively smeared Cauchon as an Uncle Tom, supplicant to les autres. All in the space of about three minutes.

It’s hard to muster much sympathy for Ignatieff, or his circle. It was, after all, that same Toronto cabal that conferred the Quebec captaincy on Coderre, in the apparent belief that he would discard the habits of a political lifetime and put the party’s interests before his own. But then, the apple doesn’t fall far from the leader, does it? I’m told Iggy himself used to say the most shockingly disloyal things when Stephane Dion was leader.

Granted, with more discretion than Coderre. But that’s hardly saying much.

UPDATE: You want to know the worst part of this? It means we have to listen to lectures on loyalty from Jean Lapierre.

UPPERDATE: Good lord, talk about setting the bar low:

Michael Ignatieff is refusing to retreat in Quebec, defiantly showing up at a party fundraiser in suburban Montreal Tuesday night to signal to Liberals that he is still in charge.

Liberal leader shows up at Liberal fundraiser in Liberal stronghold of Montreal. Gutsy.

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  • Anon

    All the more reason for Harper to pull the plug on himself, no? Go ahead, Steve, make our day.

    • jarrid

      Is it any wonder Chantal Hébert dubbed the Liberals " Le parti des masochistes" on her blog yesterday?

  • http://www.TennisVagabond.com Big Dave S

    This is my favourite line of the year:
    "The idea that this party is managed out of Toronto makes me laugh," Ignatieff told reporters in Ottawa. "And it makes people laugh in British Columbia, it makes them laugh in Alberta and it makes them laugh in the Atlantic provinces."
    I hope he ended it holding his belly and forcing a high pitched laugh while discreetly waving at his entourage to start laughing. I keep saying it to myself in the Ignatieff voice. Brilliant. What could show that you are in touch with Canadians outside Toronto better than randomly naming the regions of Canada?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/kiol454 Kiol454
  • deleted4335929

    It says 56 comments but none are appearing on my screen.

    How did I know your upperdate would be written by Taber before clicking through to Globe article. Is Taber consider a journo or a stenographer? You know Taber is doing little more than transcribing what someone said to her when the opening para makes it seem like Iggy is heroic for turning up at a Lib fundraiser.

    I have not been impressed, overall, with msm effort to cover Coderre kerfuffle. Two angles that I am interested in but have not see covered: how are the 'star' candidates that Coderre recruited reacting to this scandal, are they having second thoughts, and my mom can't be the only woman who has noticed that old boys network did it's usual thing and shoved aside an accomplished female to bring back a has-been male.

    • Jenn_

      I suspect the two candidates are refusing to speak–not a bad thing for them to do, IMO. But I agree, I'd like to hear from them in a gossipy kind of way. The other thing I think has been misreported is the business of Ignatieff appointing Cauchon. I thought the Liberal Party of Outremont did that? I thought Ignatieff called for an open nomination process? But all I see is that he was appointed by Ignatieff. That makes a huge difference for me.

      I'd especially like to hear from Le Prohon, who appears to have volunteered for this other riding quite early on in the process. I wonder if that's because she always wanted this other riding (maybe because she lives there or knows it well or something) and was being forced into the somehow higher visibility Outremont riding. That, too, would make a huge difference to me. Again, I thought Ignatieff had called for an open nomination with Le Prohon's new riding as well, but David Akin has it that Iggy appointed her there.

      • DaineG

        According to CBC, Ignatieff reversed his original decision and agreed to an open nomination.

        • Jenn_

          But according to all the news articles linked to in Andrew's post, these people are appointed by either Ignatieff or Coderre and there is no talk of open nominations. Since I'm pretty sure it was open nomination, that strikes me as a particularly egregious example of our media failing us–since as I said before, this really makes a difference in how one sees the story. (P.S. old habits die hard–it's DianeG not DaineG)

    • dan in van

      So when your mother noticed that 'the old boys network' had done its job, did you bother to take her to an optometrist? If you read the article, or any other story that uses the facts based on what happened, and not suppositions scrawled from your CON talking points, it shows that instead of having one person — Coderre — appoint candidates into ridings, Ignatieff has cleared the way for open and grassroots nominations that the star candidates must be vetted by.
      But as usual, don't let facts and reality get in the way of a CON fiction…

      • deleted4335929

        "it shows that instead of having one person — Coderre — appoint candidates into ridings, Ignatieff has cleared the way for open and grassroots nominations that the star candidates must be vetted by."

        dreidel, dreidel, dreidel. I am sure if you keep writing this kind of nonsense you will eventually believe it. I love being told that I am receiving Con talking points, when I think Harper et al are wankers, while commentator is trying to spin this clusterpluck (thnks Crit) into triumph of grassroots democracy.

        • Crit_Reasoning

          You're welcome!

        • Ed_Sweeney

          I love being told that I am receiving Con talking points, when I think Harper et al are wankers

          Reminds me of the adage, 'if you give a child a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail'.

  • Sean

    It's going to an open nomination. So the accomplished female is free to run against the has-been male.

  • YYZ

    When I saw the "upperdate" I immediately thought – this sounds like the "work" of one J. Taber.

  • YYZ

    "shoved aside an accomplished female "

    Now, this clearly isn't true, as the woman is still running in a riding that she probably has a better chance of winning — isn't she?

  • deleted4335929

    I know nothing about Quebec ridings. I got an earful about Libs and old boys network while visiting mom the other day and I just thought I would pass along one middle aged woman's view of the situation.

    • Lord Kitchener's Own

      Well, I think your mom might have missed some pieces of the story because the woman in question asked to move to another riding (where there's an open nomination) rather early on this whole process, and as YYZ pointed out, I rather think she's going to get said nomination.

      Not that there aren't a million things to pick on in this story, I just think "woman shunted aside for old dude" isn't one of them.

      • deleted4335929

        I like this thread. A bunch of guys agreeing that women have no reason to complain about treatment of Le Prohon.

        The point is that Le Prohon was supposed to be appointed Lib nominee for Outremont and now she's in different riding with open nomination process. I think it is highly probable that Le Prohon 'asked' to move to another riding because she was the only adult in the room, and was trying to solve problem by being conciliatory, while everyone else was having a tantrum. So Le Prohon gets the shaft for being reasonable and not self-centred.

        • Jenn_

          What makes you think such a reasonable person wouldn't get the nomination? Wouldn't you vote for the demonstrably reasonable person? And if you were Le Prohon, wouldn't you like, just a teensy bit, to rub all those manly a$$es noses in it?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

        I like this thread. A bunch of guys agreeing that women have no reason to complain about treatment of Le Prohon.

        The point is that Le Prohon was supposed to be appointed as Lib nominee in Outremont and now she's in different riding with open nomination process. There is also a good chance Le Prohon 'asked' to move to another riding because she was the only adult in the room, and was trying to solve big problem, while everyone else was having a tantrum.

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

        I like this thread. A bunch of guys agreeing that women have no reason to complain about treatment of Le Prohon.

        The point is that Le Prohon was supposed to be appointed as Lib nominee in Outremont and now she's in different riding with open nomination process. I think it is highly probable that Le Prohon 'asked' to move to another riding because she was the only adult in the room, and was trying to solve problem by being conciliatory, while everyone else was having a tantrum. So Le Prohon gets the shaft for being reasonable and not self-centred.

  • deleted4335929

    I enjoy political gossip and innuendo, and think it deserves its own regular column, but what Taber does is far from that. I have no idea why Globe has Taber doing this kind of stuff because she is little more than a Lib propagandist at this point.

    • CAPS

      Yes, all those "articles" about her BFF Laureen and her cats was because Taber is a Liberal propagandist.

    • Lord Kitchener's Own

      It's funny, because jolyon dislikes Taber because she's a Liberal propagandist, and I dislike Taber because she's a Tory propagandist!

      At the very least we agree that people everywhere should stop listening to Jane Taber!

      • deleted4335929

        I have no idea how you can think Taber is Con propagandist unless you think Taber makes Libs look bad, which indirectly helps Cons.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

    "who appears to have volunteered for this other riding quite early on in the process."

    Gender differences? Females = conciliatory Males = me me me

    "I thought Ignatieff called for an open nomination process?"

    Who knows! Iggy has said so many contradictory things over the past week he could be a pretzel.

  • deleted4335929

    "who appears to have volunteered for this other riding quite early on in the process."

    Gender differences? Females = conciliatory Males = me me me

    "I thought Ignatieff called for an open nomination process?"

    Who knows! Iggy has been doing much twisting and turning over the past week he could be a pretzel.

  • Foreigner

    Why is democracy failing? Because of hysterical and hyperbolic punditry like this.

    Seriously, Coyne. The political equivalent of suicide bombing? Calm down, dear.

    • http://www2.macleans.ca/category/blog-central/national/andrew-coynes-blog/ Andrew Coyne

      Sorry to confuse you. Suicide bomber: Someone who blows themselves up with the intent of harming others. Coderre: Ending his own political career in a manner calculated to harm the Liberal party. It's an a-n-a-l-o-g-y.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/andrewcoyne Andrew Coyne

      Sorry to confuse you. Suicide bomber: Someone who blows themselves up with the intent of harming others. Coderre: Ending his own political career in a mannter calculated to harm the Liberal party. It's an a-n-a-l-o-g-y.

      • dan in van

        I completely agree with the analogy. I just find it mildly shocking that few people of the punditry class are seeing this as, not a terrible shift that will harm Ignatieff's career, but as an actual case where someone listens to the grassroots and the grassroots gets what it wants. This has already created twice the waste of internet space as the Casey-Harper debaucle, which was based on one's lie and the other's integrity.
        But I guess its the ambulance-chasing nature of the business.

      • frenchie101

        Its a good analogy.But I thought he wanted to be leader, in the east and west ,we the cow are not happy being lead around by the teat.

      • Foreigner

        Remember, Coyne…50% of MacLean's revenues depend on people like me. It's not good to reveal so nakedly just how contemptuous you are of us.

        I obviously understand it's an analogy. It doesn't change the fact that I found yours hysterical.

        • Crit_Reasoning

          50% of MacLean's revenues depend on people like me

          Half of Maclean's revenues depend on cranky trolls?

  • Ed_Sweeney

    The biggest problem Ignatieff faces is that the world of politics is strikingly dynamic, so it can have completely disorienting effects on a methodical intellectual. An intellectual can slowly dissect the elements of a system into his/her own perceived ordering of the world with little interruption. Politics is more a question of learning how to tread water while the sharks are circling. People react in this world in seemingly non-rational ways, especially -for a newcomer – the media.

    This problem is exacerbated by the phenomenon that whenever Ignatieff starts thrashing in the political ocean his 'supporters' are just as likely to throw him an anchor, as they are a lifeline.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Ed_Sweeney Ed_Sweeney

    The biggest problem Ignatieff faces is that the world of politics is strikingly dynamic, so it can have completely disorienting effects on a methodical intellectual. An intellectual can slowly dissect the elements of a system into his/her own perceived ordering of the world with little interruption. Politics is more a question of learning how to tread water while the sharks are circling.

    This problem is exacerbated by the phenomenon that whenever Ignatieff starts thrashing in the political ocean his 'supporters' are just as likely to throw him an anchor, as they are a lifeline.

  • ottawasteph

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    • Ed_Sweeney

      having to think puts you to sleep? Or is it narcolepsy?

  • Spenc in BC

    So you dont think the Libs are controlled from Toronto. Every other Canadian outside of southern Ontario does. Ant it is true!

  • iggyland

    The damage has been done, once again we are left to wonder if Iggy is a PM material and he clearly is not ,and it truly is scary to have him run this country, the libs need to regroup and start from scratch, who cares about getting power right now, build a better party!!!!

  • http://azmattressoutlet.com/ phoenix mattress

    dennis is like any of these other corrupted poiticians these days.

  • Tripper523

    The Igneutered One is all but mounted on the Parliamentary wall. He's already made the round-trip to the Tory Taxidermist. Rendered politically impotent by his own words of self-condemnation and his misadventureous foray into the Canadian landscape he knew very little about, I believe the fat lady is about to sing.

  • joe in ottawa

    The only bad things about this is that it could increase Bloc support which is NEVER A GOOD THING!

  • Jim

    Coderre did the right move, it's the move that will get him re-elected. People who stand up for themselves are appreciated in Quebec.

    Iggy's intervention on the Outremont riding was innapropriate after some Toronto MPs told him that Cauchon was better. It doesn't look right when Ontario liberals manage Quebec liberal affairs. That's a bad sign for Iggy because nobody like flip-floppers.

    I personally like Cauchon, but Coderre, as the Quebec Lieutenant, was made a fool in front of his troops and he did the right thing by not accepting to "walk with his tail between his legs".

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

    But then, the apple doesn’t fall far from the leader, does it? I’m told Iggy himself used to say the most shockingly disloyal things when Stephane Dion was leader.

    I remember hearing the same thing. In fact, when I originally heard about Coderre's plan to replace Stephane Dion with a rookie female candidate, I assumed that Ignatieff had already signed off on the plan to get rid of his former rival. There isn't much love lost between those guys. Consider this CTV News report on May 30, 2008:

    Some of Stephane Dion's top advisers are planning to press the Liberal leader in the coming days to dump Michael Ignatieff as deputy leader, CTV News has learned.

    Dion said today he has great confidence in Ignatieff and no one should worry about rumours. Ignatieff insisted on CTV's Question Period on Sunday that he has not been disloyal, saying his job "is to make (Dion) the next prime minister of Canada."

    But some in the Dion camp believe that that Ignatieff, Dion's former leadership rival, is privately undermining the Liberal leader with critical and disdainful remarks.

    Earlier this week, Dion demanded an end to the political sniping within his party after several shots were made at his leadership.

    <a href="http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNe…” target=”_blank”>http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNe...

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

    But then, the apple doesn’t fall far from the leader, does it? I’m told Iggy himself used to say the most shockingly disloyal things when Stephane Dion was leader.

    I remember hearing the same thing. In fact, when I originally heard about Coderre's plan to replace Stephane Dion with a rookie female candidate, I assumed that Ignatieff had already signed off on the plan to get rid of his former rival. There isn't much love lost between those guys. Consider this CTV News report on May 30, 2008:
    .
    .
    "Some of Stephane Dion's top advisers are planning to press the Liberal leader in the coming days to dump Michael Ignatieff as deputy leader, CTV News has learned.

    Dion said today he has great confidence in Ignatieff and no one should worry about rumours. Ignatieff insisted on CTV's Question Period on Sunday that he has not been disloyal, saying his job "is to make (Dion) the next prime minister of Canada."

    But some in the Dion camp believe that that Ignatieff, Dion's former leadership rival, is privately undermining the Liberal leader with critical and disdainful remarks.

    Earlier this week, Dion demanded an end to the political sniping within his party after several shots were made at his leadership."

    <a href="http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNe…” target=”_blank”>http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNe...

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

    And it's not even the Ides of March.

  • shouldIsellyourwheat

    Disclosure: I don't like Denis Coderre.

    It is a testament to Denis Coderre's personal power base (independent of the Desmarais old guard) that he can knife the leader in the front in public, and nobody says anything bad about him or kicks him out of the party. He is the Liberal Party in Quebec outside the safe havens in Montreal, because he is the person who has been doing the work.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dennis_F Dennis_F
  • Jonathan McKinnell

    A note on the comments, Intense debate seems to have eaten them. Looking into this.

  • Smith

    Iggy went all in with his election gamble. And it looks like he's got a loosing hand. He' s gone by spring.

  • Ed_Sweeney

    Who removed the comments???? I think there is a conspiracy in there somewhere!!! Horrors!!!!

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