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	<title>Comments on: Confidence, or the distinct lack thereof</title>
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		<title>By: jarrid</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183368</link>
		<dc:creator>jarrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Rick, here you have a real live Liberal commenter, cynically admitting that the Libs had no intention of fulfilling their promises.  There so brazen and shameless about it.  Mulcair citing Eddie Goldenberg admitting the same thing is further proof of the shameless and brazeness of the Liberal cynicism.  I thought it worth pointing out.

Oh, and Loraine Lamontagne comments on many blogs, I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s her real name, it might well be, but she&#039;s clearly a Liberal supporter.  And what is more, what she says is backed by past Liberal conduct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Rick, here you have a real live Liberal commenter, cynically admitting that the Libs had no intention of fulfilling their promises.  There so brazen and shameless about it.  Mulcair citing Eddie Goldenberg admitting the same thing is further proof of the shameless and brazeness of the Liberal cynicism.  I thought it worth pointing out.</p>
<p>Oh, and Loraine Lamontagne comments on many blogs, I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s her real name, it might well be, but she&#039;s clearly a Liberal supporter.  And what is more, what she says is backed by past Liberal conduct.</p>
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		<title>By: Terren</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183367</link>
		<dc:creator>Terren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 18:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant so that people could view it on here and debate it directly.</description>
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		<title>By: psiclone</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183366</link>
		<dc:creator>psiclone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you might have a point! I would have ruled out Bobby R. awhile back but I am not sure now ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you might have a point! I would have ruled out Bobby R. awhile back but I am not sure now &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: psiclone</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183365</link>
		<dc:creator>psiclone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course you are correct and it is simple and likely as say the americans waking up tomorrow morning and never netioning black, white or race again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course you are correct and it is simple and likely as say the americans waking up tomorrow morning and never netioning black, white or race again!</p>
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		<title>By: psiclone</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183364</link>
		<dc:creator>psiclone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Done - I had not stopped and thought along that track - only in canadian politics would it seem to be logically consistent :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Done &#8211; I had not stopped and thought along that track &#8211; only in canadian politics would it seem to be logically consistent :)</p>
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		<title>By: danby</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183353</link>
		<dc:creator>danby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both of these men speak eloquently and make excellent points; a departure from the usually coarse bickering.

 With momentum swinging towards a Conservative majority, I wonder if both have pondered the circumstances that made them bedfellows not so long ago? Should Harper gain a majority, I would think it is likely that the cost cutting will include eliminating the party funding that precipitated the formation of the coalition.

 Is it not funny that the issue that galvanized the three opposition parties is forgotten as they in-fight to carve up their ever declining slice of the pie? Philosophical musings fall easily from the lips of full bellies. Wait until Mr Harper applies a choke hold under the righteous cause of defecit reduction and these &lt;i&gt;gentlemen&lt;/i&gt; are forced to scrabble and claw while waiting out the inevitable multi-year cycle, before public opinion shifts allow them back into the game.

 I wonder how this will play in hindsight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both of these men speak eloquently and make excellent points; a departure from the usually coarse bickering.</p>
<p> With momentum swinging towards a Conservative majority, I wonder if both have pondered the circumstances that made them bedfellows not so long ago? Should Harper gain a majority, I would think it is likely that the cost cutting will include eliminating the party funding that precipitated the formation of the coalition.</p>
<p> Is it not funny that the issue that galvanized the three opposition parties is forgotten as they in-fight to carve up their ever declining slice of the pie? Philosophical musings fall easily from the lips of full bellies. Wait until Mr Harper applies a choke hold under the righteous cause of defecit reduction and these <i>gentlemen</i> are forced to scrabble and claw while waiting out the inevitable multi-year cycle, before public opinion shifts allow them back into the game.</p>
<p> I wonder how this will play in hindsight.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183363</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ummm... yes &#039;cuz going to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.parl.gc.ca&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.parl.gc.ca&lt;/a&gt; to get it is too much work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ummm&#8230; yes &#039;cuz going to <a href="http://www.parl.gc.ca" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.parl.gc.ca</a> to get it is too much work.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183362</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a comment exchange between two anonymous posters on a blog told you that aliens were invading, would you run to the store and stock up on canned soup? Really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a comment exchange between two anonymous posters on a blog told you that aliens were invading, would you run to the store and stock up on canned soup? Really.</p>
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		<title>By: OntarioTown</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183361</link>
		<dc:creator>OntarioTown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, duh - I&#039;m glad you found a site....I&#039;ve referred to them for a very long time.  You should look up some quotes on happiness - you sound so depressed and miserable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, duh &#8211; I&#039;m glad you found a site&#8230;.I&#039;ve referred to them for a very long time.  You should look up some quotes on happiness &#8211; you sound so depressed and miserable.</p>
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		<title>By: OntarioTown</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183360</link>
		<dc:creator>OntarioTown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some don&#039;t like to go into their ancestry...scandals and all.

Actually, Mulcair has a very interesting family background as does Rae - and both are well-educated and accomplished.  The very thing that Cons hate - education/intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some don&#039;t like to go into their ancestry&#8230;scandals and all.</p>
<p>Actually, Mulcair has a very interesting family background as does Rae &#8211; and both are well-educated and accomplished.  The very thing that Cons hate &#8211; education/intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: OntarioTown</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183359</link>
		<dc:creator>OntarioTown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both made the Con debating skills show what they are.....junior high school - nod, nod, clap, clap, personal attacks and a pit bull.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both made the Con debating skills show what they are&#8230;..junior high school &#8211; nod, nod, clap, clap, personal attacks and a pit bull.</p>
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		<title>By: OntarioTown</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183358</link>
		<dc:creator>OntarioTown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and an Irish decendant attacking people who refer to their ancestors - while using his Irish ancestry sayings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and an Irish decendant attacking people who refer to their ancestors &#8211; while using his Irish ancestry sayings.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott M.</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183357</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quotable quotes, yes.  Otherwise we can always find it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www2.parl.gc.ca/housechamberbusiness/ChamberSittings.aspx?View=H&amp;Key=2009&amp;Language=E&amp;Mode=1&amp;Parl=40&amp;Ses=2&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;...  what Aaron has that I would *love* is access to the blues, so he can post any juicy bits mere minutes after they happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quotable quotes, yes.  Otherwise we can always find it <a href="http://www2.parl.gc.ca/housechamberbusiness/ChamberSittings.aspx?View=H&amp;Key=2009&amp;Language=E&amp;Mode=1&amp;Parl=40&amp;Ses=2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here</a>&#8230;  what Aaron has that I would *love* is access to the blues, so he can post any juicy bits mere minutes after they happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Wascally Wabbit</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183356</link>
		<dc:creator>Wascally Wabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No irony.
A clear illustration of the quandary of the centre left.
Overlap of principles and philosophy - fractured into four parties (if you include the Greens).
The only thing Harper has ever achieved is to convince those on the right that their own way to power is to unite - and having done that - they find that there will never be more than 36% of the electorate that will follow them blindly down the paths where Mr. Harper leads them.
To fairly represent the other 64% of Canadians - what I believe is called an impressive majority - the leaders of the other parties have to find a way - before an election - to offer Canadians a better collective alternate to the right - ad let&#039;s face it - that won&#039;t be hard!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No irony.<br />
A clear illustration of the quandary of the centre left.<br />
Overlap of principles and philosophy &#8211; fractured into four parties (if you include the Greens).<br />
The only thing Harper has ever achieved is to convince those on the right that their own way to power is to unite &#8211; and having done that &#8211; they find that there will never be more than 36% of the electorate that will follow them blindly down the paths where Mr. Harper leads them.<br />
To fairly represent the other 64% of Canadians &#8211; what I believe is called an impressive majority &#8211; the leaders of the other parties have to find a way &#8211; before an election &#8211; to offer Canadians a better collective alternate to the right &#8211; ad let&#039;s face it &#8211; that won&#039;t be hard!</p>
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		<title>By: jarrid</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183355</link>
		<dc:creator>jarrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Herb said.</description>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183354</link>
		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that is why both men should be leaders of their respective parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that is why both men should be leaders of their respective parties.</p>
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		<title>By: darcy meyers</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183352</link>
		<dc:creator>darcy meyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 06:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We held out our hand. We discussed. We obtained $935 million for 190,000 families. The Liberals are going to try to give us morality lessons. Not on your life, Madam Speaker.&quot;

I realize your used to holding out your hand, but why didn&#039;t you support those measures this spring when they were part of the budget?   Hardly a concession, considering you already voted against it!

Oh yes, you don&#039;t support the direction of the conservatives or their budget (unread), but you will support every budget implementation measure this fall- to save your own skin...(case by case of course)
Is that the morality lesson you are trying to convey Mr. Mulcair?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;We held out our hand. We discussed. We obtained $935 million for 190,000 families. The Liberals are going to try to give us morality lessons. Not on your life, Madam Speaker.&quot;</p>
<p>I realize your used to holding out your hand, but why didn&#039;t you support those measures this spring when they were part of the budget?   Hardly a concession, considering you already voted against it!</p>
<p>Oh yes, you don&#039;t support the direction of the conservatives or their budget (unread), but you will support every budget implementation measure this fall- to save your own skin&#8230;(case by case of course)<br />
Is that the morality lesson you are trying to convey Mr. Mulcair?</p>
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		<title>By: Crit_Reasoning</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183351</link>
		<dc:creator>Crit_Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 04:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent observation. The irony is exquisite.  The former New Democrat MP and Ontario NDP Premier jousting with the former Parti Lib&#233;ral du Qu&#233;bec Cabinet Minister, each flinging eloquent accusations of hypocrisy against the brand he used to represent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent observation. The irony is exquisite.  The former New Democrat MP and Ontario NDP Premier jousting with the former Parti Lib&eacute;ral du Qu&eacute;bec Cabinet Minister, each flinging eloquent accusations of hypocrisy against the brand he used to represent.</p>
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		<title>By: Crit_Reasoning</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183350</link>
		<dc:creator>Crit_Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 04:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent observation. The irony is exquisite.  The former New Democrat MP and Ontario NDP Premier jousting with Quebec&#039;s former Liberal Cabinet Minister, each flinging eloquent accusations of hypocrisy against the brand he used to represent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent observation. The irony is exquisite.  The former New Democrat MP and Ontario NDP Premier jousting with Quebec&#039;s former Liberal Cabinet Minister, each flinging eloquent accusations of hypocrisy against the brand he used to represent.</p>
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		<title>By: Terren</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183349</link>
		<dc:creator>Terren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is awesome. There should be more of Hansard posted to here what the members say in the House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is awesome. There should be more of Hansard posted to here what the members say in the House.</p>
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		<title>By: A reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>A reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are all missing the other irony of this exchange ... a former NDPer-turned-Liberal, followed by a former Liberal-turned-NDPer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are all missing the other irony of this exchange &#8230; a former NDPer-turned-Liberal, followed by a former Liberal-turned-NDPer.</p>
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		<title>By: Crit_Reasoning</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183347</link>
		<dc:creator>Crit_Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 02:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s rare to see such eloquence in the House.</description>
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		<title>By: jarrid</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/02/confidence-or-the-distinct-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-183346</link>
		<dc:creator>jarrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you that part of the problem for the Libs is that the Conservatives are now occupying the centre.

There is more to it though.  If both parties are competing for the same political ground, why are Canadians backing the Conservatives?  I would say that by and large the Conservatives have gained some credibility by meeting there promises, cutting the GST, not promising more than they could deliver on the environment.  Meanwhile, on just those two topics, the Liberals promised a lot, but delivered squat.  Canadian voters don&#039;t like to be taken for fools.  The Liberals, it seems to me, have just gone too far, and their rhetoric is taken for what it is - rhetoric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that part of the problem for the Libs is that the Conservatives are now occupying the centre.</p>
<p>There is more to it though.  If both parties are competing for the same political ground, why are Canadians backing the Conservatives?  I would say that by and large the Conservatives have gained some credibility by meeting there promises, cutting the GST, not promising more than they could deliver on the environment.  Meanwhile, on just those two topics, the Liberals promised a lot, but delivered squat.  Canadian voters don&#039;t like to be taken for fools.  The Liberals, it seems to me, have just gone too far, and their rhetoric is taken for what it is &#8211; rhetoric.</p>
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		<title>By: jarrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>jarrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While the Liberals were in power for 13 years, instead of reducing greenhouse gases by 6% as mandated by the Kyoto protocol that the Liberals signed hypocritically, they increased Canada&#8217;s greenhouse gas production by 35%. That is their record. The worst record in the world.&quot;
            - Thomas Mulcair, from his speech above.

And you want even more Liberal cynicism on the environment?  Here&#039;s an actual exchange on Kady&#039;s blog on July 29th, 2009 between myself and Loraine Lamontagne, a Liberal partisan commenter:

JARRID: Could you imagine what our economy would be like if we implemented the Kyoto Protocol and the Green Shift? I shudder thinking about it.

LORAINE LAMONTAGNE: Dion would not have implemented the Kyoto Protocol and the Green Shift no more than Chr&#233;tien axed the GST.

As Mulcair says, the Liberals are cynical hypocrites.  They truly are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;While the Liberals were in power for 13 years, instead of reducing greenhouse gases by 6% as mandated by the Kyoto protocol that the Liberals signed hypocritically, they increased Canada&rsquo;s greenhouse gas production by 35%. That is their record. The worst record in the world.&quot;<br />
            &#8211; Thomas Mulcair, from his speech above.</p>
<p>And you want even more Liberal cynicism on the environment?  Here&#039;s an actual exchange on Kady&#039;s blog on July 29th, 2009 between myself and Loraine Lamontagne, a Liberal partisan commenter:</p>
<p>JARRID: Could you imagine what our economy would be like if we implemented the Kyoto Protocol and the Green Shift? I shudder thinking about it.</p>
<p>LORAINE LAMONTAGNE: Dion would not have implemented the Kyoto Protocol and the Green Shift no more than Chr&eacute;tien axed the GST.</p>
<p>As Mulcair says, the Liberals are cynical hypocrites.  They truly are.</p>
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		<title>By: jarrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>jarrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...we wouldn&#039;t have this cynicism about politicians generally.&quot;

Political cynicism is particularly a Liberal specialty these last numbers of years WW.

I know you want to spread the blame around, but there&#039;s a reason the Conservatives have consistently led the Liberals since January 2006:  the Liberals have a major credibility gap between what they say they&#039;ll do and what they&#039;ve actually done..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;&#8230;we wouldn&#039;t have this cynicism about politicians generally.&quot;</p>
<p>Political cynicism is particularly a Liberal specialty these last numbers of years WW.</p>
<p>I know you want to spread the blame around, but there&#039;s a reason the Conservatives have consistently led the Liberals since January 2006:  the Liberals have a major credibility gap between what they say they&#039;ll do and what they&#039;ve actually done..</p>
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		<title>By: Wascally Wabbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wascally Wabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we had more people who can stand in their place - make their points eloquently - and then follow through - we wouldn&#039;t have this cynicism about politicians generally.
Both Mr. Rae AND mr. Mulcair are impressive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we had more people who can stand in their place &#8211; make their points eloquently &#8211; and then follow through &#8211; we wouldn&#039;t have this cynicism about politicians generally.<br />
Both Mr. Rae AND mr. Mulcair are impressive.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure I agree.... I think the core ideas of what the Liberal Party of Canada stands for still has a lot of resonance. They have always occupied the mushy middle that falls between the statism of the NDP and the anti-gov agenda of traditional conservatism. The real problem now is that the Conservatives aren&#039;t actually conservative anymore. They are pretty much just traditional Canadian liberals. Think back 5 years: would you believe that a conservative government would be vowing to maintain same-sex marriage? Would be arguing for Keynesian stimulus? Would have created a economic development agency for S. Ontario? I would say no. Those aren&#039;t the actions of a Conservative gov&#039;t. Its a liberal one. And that, I think, is the precise reason why the conservative are moving up in the polls.
But you are right. Until they can find some way to jump up and down and say &quot;We are the real liberals!! Harpers just faking it!&quot; they will stay in trouble.

Sorry, i got on a bit of a rant. To sum up: its not that they are running on empty or have nothing to offer, its that all their ideas have been co-opted by what used to be conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure I agree&#8230;. I think the core ideas of what the Liberal Party of Canada stands for still has a lot of resonance. They have always occupied the mushy middle that falls between the statism of the NDP and the anti-gov agenda of traditional conservatism. The real problem now is that the Conservatives aren&#039;t actually conservative anymore. They are pretty much just traditional Canadian liberals. Think back 5 years: would you believe that a conservative government would be vowing to maintain same-sex marriage? Would be arguing for Keynesian stimulus? Would have created a economic development agency for S. Ontario? I would say no. Those aren&#039;t the actions of a Conservative gov&#039;t. Its a liberal one. And that, I think, is the precise reason why the conservative are moving up in the polls.<br />
But you are right. Until they can find some way to jump up and down and say &quot;We are the real liberals!! Harpers just faking it!&quot; they will stay in trouble.</p>
<p>Sorry, i got on a bit of a rant. To sum up: its not that they are running on empty or have nothing to offer, its that all their ideas have been co-opted by what used to be conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: jarrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>jarrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Mulcair too.  But attacking the inertia of the previous Liberal government&#039;s environment dossier is like shooting fish in a barrel.  As he says, it was crass political cynicism.

I will say this, I think the jig is up for the Liberals.  They were running on empty while they had political power, and nearly four years out of power, they&#039;ve not re-fueled, they&#039;ve continued on with their cynical political ploys but people aren&#039;t buying it anymore.

And many Liberals I suspect realize this more and more.

If there were A.A. meeting for addicted political opportunists, the Liberal Party of Canada would be well advised to attend.

They&#039;ve hit rock bottom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Mulcair too.  But attacking the inertia of the previous Liberal government&#039;s environment dossier is like shooting fish in a barrel.  As he says, it was crass political cynicism.</p>
<p>I will say this, I think the jig is up for the Liberals.  They were running on empty while they had political power, and nearly four years out of power, they&#039;ve not re-fueled, they&#039;ve continued on with their cynical political ploys but people aren&#039;t buying it anymore.</p>
<p>And many Liberals I suspect realize this more and more.</p>
<p>If there were A.A. meeting for addicted political opportunists, the Liberal Party of Canada would be well advised to attend.</p>
<p>They&#039;ve hit rock bottom.</p>
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		<title>By: psiclone</title>
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		<dc:creator>psiclone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Thomas more and more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Thomas more and more!</p>
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