Canada’s biggest problem? America

From protectionist policy to border security to environmental laws, our best friend is making our lives miserable

by Luiza Ch. Savage on Wednesday, October 7, 2009 8:00am - 130 Comments

Canada’s biggest problem? AmericaIt has been almost two years since Stephen Harper disclosed that his cabinet was having serious discussions about what to do to “restore the special Canadian and American relationship” that he said had become “lost” in the Bush years. “What has happened is that Canada lost that special relationship with the United States. We increasingly became viewed as just another foreign country, albeit an ally, a good friend, but nevertheless a foreign country. You know, the northern equivalent of Mexico in terms of the border,” the Prime Minister told Maclean’s in an interview back in December 2007. “That isn’t just a shift in the view of the administration, that’s somewhat a shift in American public opinion as well, which concerns me.”

At the time, Harper was preoccupied with a new passport requirement that threatened tourism and trade, adding a new scale to the ongoing red-tape “thickening” of the world’s longest undefended border. “I’m certain this trend will not be reversed in the lifetime of the current American administration,” Harper said at the time. “I’m more optimistic it will be deferred later by a new administration.” But, he added, “I’m far from sure.”

He was right to be wary. If the special relationship was lost under George W. Bush, nine months into the new administration it remains missing. At his Sept. 16 meeting with Obama at the White House, Harper boasted that it was his seventh session with the new President. But the passport requirement remains, as do agricultural inspection fees on commercial cross-border traffic and air travellers. Instead of “un-thickening” the border, the new administration has kept the Bush policies in place and even piled more on: in February, the U.S. sent unmanned aerial surveillance drones to patrol parts of the border with Canada. The drones, which can detect human movement 10 km away, are supposed to help catch smugglers. But they have raised concerns about privacy in border communities, and although they are unarmed, give the 49th parallel something in common with the tribal lands between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Since Obama’s February trip to Ottawa, where he was greeted with a rapturous welcome on his first official foreign visit, the state of the world’s largest trading relationship has become even more fraught. Given that fully one quarter of the Canadian economy depends on exports to the U.S., growing American protectionism has proven to be a growing threat. Problems began with a Buy American provision in the US$787-billion stimulus bill. While there have been reports that an exemption for Canada may be imminent, in return for Canadian municipal and provincial governments allowing procurement contracts for U.S. companies, rules similar to the Buy American provision are now being repeated in other legislation. Protectionism has also surfaced in proposed climate change legislation that would impose border tariffs on imports from countries whose carbon policies Washington deems insufficient. And there are other issues galore that affect Canada, from complicated and costly trucking rules and the treatment of Canadian hydroelectricity under U.S. environmental laws to “country of origin” labelling that imposes costs on Canadian agricultural producers and reduces the appeal of their goods in the U.S. marketplace.

Oh—there’s Canada’s national sport as well. In August, Canadian NHL teams faced the prospect of having their seasons thrown into limbo by a sudden Obama administration crackdown on Canadian charter flights operating between U.S. cities. That issue arose when a U.S. charter airline and an American pilots’ union complained that the Air Canada charter company was beginning to take U.S. business, and the Department of Transportation stepped in. When Harper sat down with Obama at his Sept. 16 Oval Office meeting, he took precious minutes away from discussions of Afghanistan and Iran to address the war over hockey players.

That problem was eventually resolved, with Air Canada agreeing to “an unprecedented level of monitoring and enforcement” of who boards the flights. But it was just one more high-profile imbroglio between the two countries that may have left many Canadians asking the question: is America Canada’s biggest problem?

Jason Myers, the president of the Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters, calls growing American protectionism “the hottest issue for us.” He is not only concerned about new rules that affect us directly, but also those aimed at other countries that lead to problems for Canada. For example, when Obama announced in September that the U.S. would impose tariffs on tires from China, Myers worried that any Chinese retaliation against the U.S. auto industry would hurt Canadian businesses, too, because that sector is so integrated in North America. “We just see a whole lot of areas where the U.S. is becoming more closed, protectionist and isolated in terms of trade,” Myers says. “It’s not just that it’s our biggest market, but we make things together. We are part of an integrated supply chain. It has far-reaching impacts throughout industries.”

The impact of the Buy American provisions has been not only to exclude Canadian suppliers from government contracts at the state and local level, but also to encourage American distributors to stop carrying Canadian products. “The impact of this goes well beyond the procurement markets at state and local levels and beyond the federal restrictions,” Myers says. The economic impact is hard to estimate, in part because only a small portion of the stimulus money has been disbursed, but at least 250 Canadian companies have lost business, he adds.

Washington, Ottawa and the provinces have worked toward a solution to the problem. But even if Canada gains an exemption from the Buy American provision, Canadian businesses are worried that initiative may have been just the tip of the iceberg. Similar protectionist rules have been included in several bills pending in Congress, including the Water Quality Investment Act, which Myers notes could affect $4 billion worth of Canadian exports.

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  • hud

    Gordeaux, I live by the saying "when in Rome, do as the Romans do".

    Believe me, Gordeauz, I do, and my family does all the things needed to fit in. The thing is, I love Canada, having spent a lot of time through the years in various parts. I just don't get the anti- Americanism and why it all is America's fault. I have the best of both worlds, as do my children. I just don't like that they are subjected to some of this at school. In America, my children were taught what a great country Canada is to have as a neighbor. I don't think they teach the same to the kids here re: America.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

      Anti-americanism has become reflexive for many Canadians (not myself, but I see too much of it). It has become widespread as a way to ingratiate oneself with fellow Canadians, unfortunately. And it is the educators in Canada that lead the charge, which is the primary reason for it.

  • George

    America is the biggest problem not only of Canada, but of every other country in the world. It's the biggest predator nation on earth. Why would any nation need a war budget (they call it defense budget) that is bigger than defense budgets of all the other countries combined? Obviously it is to make war at every opportunity. Why does a country need over 700 overseas bases in some 130 countries? Obviously it is to control almost everything in the world. US is a parasitic nation and my only hope is that like the Roman Empire it will overextend itself and collapse. Then we will all be saved.

    • kevin tennant

      As a former dual citizen, born in Toronto to an American mother , and having grown up in N.B., I believe I'm qualified to have an opinion. The anti-U.S. feeling prevalent among many Canadians is rooted in lack of national self-esteem. There is really no logical reason for this, as Canada is a great country with wonderful history and unique attributes.
      I liken the professed disdain to envy of a successful big brother.
      To George : next time you have an earthquake or tsunami, try asking Cuba, Libya, or North Korea for aid. Next time you need a new miracle medicine or technological device, try shopping from Russia, China, or Zimbabwe.
      And if you don't wish to stay safe under the American nuclear and conventional military umbrella, perhaps you should have learned to speak Russian or Chinese by now, you ungrateful freeloading parasite.
      I left Canada for good in 1986, and the average I.Q. in both countries went up.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

        The anti-U.S. feeling prevalent among many Canadians is rooted in lack of national self-esteem.

        Yeah. I'm sure the descendants of American slaves who sought freedom in Canada, the thousands of American blacks who emigrated here later to avoid lynchings and segregation, and the thousands of young Americans who came here rather than have to drop napalm on Vietnamese kids just hate America for its "success". Or perhaps you just need to get over yourself.

        …next time you have an earthquake or tsunami, try asking Cuba, Libya, or North Korea for aid.

        And from whence did the folks in New Orleans get aid while in the throes of Katrina, Kevin? I take it you know that an RCMP task force from Vancouver reached the disaster zone before FEMA officials did? Has that little fact been given a place in your convenient reading of history?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

        And if you don't wish to stay safe under the American nuclear and conventional military umbrella, perhaps you should have learned to speak Russian or Chinese by now…

        Yeah, thanks for helping us fend off those ruthless Soviet and Chinese attacks in our far North. They never happened, of course, but…whatever. If that silly fiction makes you feel better about your citizenship, have at it.

        By the way, the Soviets never invaded Finland during the Cold War either. Was that because of your little "nuclear shield" as well, or was it because Finland was no more a Soviet target than Canada ever was?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

        Finally, perhaps you could take some time to thank Canada, along with all the British Commonwealth, for fighting the Axis powers and defending civilisation single-handedly for two full years, while you guys were still figuring out whether Hitler was such a bad guy. If you hadn't been dragged in by Japan, you probably wouldn't have fought at all. Do you fancy the thought of speaking German? Because that's what you'd be doing if we hadn't held the line for you slackers until late '41.

        I'm rather glad to hear you left this great nation long ago. Don't hurry back, now.

        • kevin tennant

          May have to return for a funeral. But I'll take the warmer weather, lower taxes, higher standard of living, free speech, better medical care and much more atractive women anyday.
          We do thank valiant Canadians for Vimy Ridge, Passchandaele, Dieppe, and Juno beach. Unfortunately since about 1946 the Great White North has hidden under someone else's coattails.
          In Kuwait liberation, more Iraqis surrendered to a pizza delivery truck, or CNN crew than to Princess Patricia's pusillanimous players.
          Of greatness the world has its' store.
          Shakespeare, Dostoyevsky and Shaw
          Mendeleyev and Bach
          Einstein, Pasternak.
          Gretzky, Esposito,and Orr.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

            In Kuwait liberation, more Iraqis surrendered to a pizza delivery truck, or CNN crew…

            Heh. Bragging about defeating a tinpot army that didn't even want to fight. Yep–that's the American way. Care to boast about Wounded Knee, too?

            Oh, and this is hilarious:

            I'll take the warmer weather…

            …in balmy Montana, the Dakotas, Washington, Colorado, etc.;

            …lower taxes…

            …and zero services, chronically under-funded schools, and inveterately corrupt police forces;

            …higher standard of living…

            …and by "higher" we don't mean the factual, objective "ranked far below Canada in the UN's Human Development Index", but the typical subjective American "ranked far above Canada in our own delusions of superiority";

            … free speech…

            …meaning "in the U.S., you call claim the Holocaust never happened and that Jews are scum, and nobody can touch you. Yeehah!";

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

            …better medical care…

            …except for the 38 million uninsured, the millions more who get routinely denied by their insurers, and the thousands who cross the border every year to try to game Canada's system for health care and affordable medication;

            …and much more atractive[sic] women…

            …two words: Ann Coulter.

            Enjoy the funeral, my star-spangle-addled friend. You’ve earned it.

          • kevin tennant

            Hows that 12 month waiting list for surgery working out for you ?
            Live in Colorado and Florida. More sunny days / year in former than latter. Anyone with education or gumption can easily afford health insurance, wasn't it your own Minister of Health who had her cancer surgery in California a few years back ?
            We have no Kafka-esque Speech / Truth Commission ( yet-but give Obam time ) . Ann Coulter is an erudite and conscientiously researched author, with a definite ability to offend liberal sensibilities with truth.
            I'm sure the U.N. uses a truly objective measurement of quality of life….haha. For Darfur ? Or Bosnia.
            People from the world over don't appear to be risking all to immigrate somewhere else.
            Of your compatriots, how many would move to U.S. if allowed ? I daresay over 50 %.
            And yes, Canadians have contributed insulin, the foghorn, variable pitch propeller, the Mackenzie brothers,and the Zamboni ! Thanks. Why do your best and brightest seem to move here ? Oh, that's right….the LOWER standard of living !

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

            Hows that 12 month waiting list for surgery working out for you ?

            I wouldn't know. It doesn't exist.

            Anyone with education or gumption can easily afford health insurance…

            Then you've got about 38 million cowardly morons living down there–present company excepted, of course.

            We have no Kafka-esque Speech / Truth Commission …

            Neither do we. We do have the scourge of political correctness, though–a product of American college campuses in the 80's (thanks for that).

            Ann Coulter is an erudite and conscientiously researched author…

            …who once claimed that Canada sent troops to Vietnam. She's an idiot who impresses only those more idiotic than she.

          • Rob

            Sir Francis…(Boy, that's a snotty sounding name) you are a GD liar when you say the 12 month waiting list for surgery doesn't exist here! I can show you 3 people I have personally known( in the last 19 yrs) who died while waiting for Heart Bypass Surgery! I can also show you a personal friend right now…who has been waiting over two years for Hip Surgery. He is now in a wheelchair a good part of the time because of the pain. Oh, the 38 million (that changes depending which socialist is talking) Americans that do not have Medical Coverage? A good number of them are well to do and don't feel they need to purchase insurance….the Majority are Illegal Immigrants…AND!….since when is it our business how the US handles it's affairs? Somebody here said Canadians are fair weather friends….I sure as hell hope not! Would I move to the US if given a chance? You bet! I have been all over the US and I think it is great! No place is perfect of course, but it sure is nice to get away from the smothering Socialism we have in Canada! Not to mention walking yaps like you!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

            Wow. What a stream of barking gibberish.

            Hey, Rob. The only item of logical support your rant added to Kevin's argument is the impression that, indeed, Canada's best and brightest have all moved to America with only the dull left behind. I trust you're proud.

            By the way, I do hope you get your wish. The sooner you leave, the better for all concerned. Frankly, I regret that you need to arrange your departure on your own–a project for which you seem to lack the ambition. I would love to see you forcibly stripped of your citizenship and deported to a U.S. state of your choice. I suspect Kentucky would suit you perfectly.

            Have a swell day!

          • kevin tennant

            Sir Francis, no need to get mean. Rob's as entitled to his point of view as any. And I do concur that on balance, waiting lists and rationing of care hurt more than insurance coverage snafus.
            And what's so bad about Kentucky ? The east is demographically similiar to Newfoundland, while the west is akin to any of non-metro Canada.Plus I believe Canada so desperate for literate citizens of European heritage they are retroactively bestowing citizenship on emigres. Reasonable people can disagree without belittling each other, or ad hominem attacks. After 26 years spent in Ontario and New Brunswick, I felt Canucks were polite and fair-minded, except maybe Habs fans, LOL. Perhaps a result of Moosehead, Bra'D'Or , Molson Canadian,or Labatt's Blue ? ( Fyi, great-grandad sold Moosehead Brewery to Oland family in 1920 or so )

            1967 seems so, je ne sais quoi, LONG AGO ? Bring back Sittler, Keon, McDonald, Ullman,Glennie, Domi, Clark & Vaive if needed.

          • kevin tennant

            Ottawa ? Wtf ?
            I thought it was only politicians, civil service mandarins and incompetent but bilingual frogs who lived there, plus my old college buddy Geoff Graser.. Down here, productive achievers avoid the capital.
            And how long before Maple Leafs win another Cup ? 1967 too long ago !

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

            First, we get: No need to get mean…Reasonable people can disagree without belittling each other, or ad hominem attacks. , after I respond to a crank who called me a "walking yap".

            Then, we get: I thought it was only politicians, civil service mandarins and incompetent but bilingual frogs who lived there…. Priceless.

            All I did was offer Rob some advice that seems totally consistent with his attitude. That's hardly ad hominem; but "incompetent bi-lingual frogs"? Man–that takes me back to Grade Four.

            By the way, knowing more than one language is conventionally considered a sign of competence or at least of intelligence; whether either of those qualities plays a role in your hierarchy of values is, of course, unknown to me.

            So I guess the pub invitation is rescinded…

          • kevin tennant

            Mea culpa. Gratuitous putdowns of francophones not in keeping with my professed desire for civility.
            I do wonder, though, how many Canadians have wondered if many civil service employees possess any qualifications beyond their ability to speak French ? In N.B. in the '80's it appeared superficially that intelligent francophones worked in private sector, others got government jobs. May just have been affirmative action backlash, or jealousy directed towards a " protected class" .
            I do recall Jean Chretien trying to have it both ways, using unfamiliarity with English as a crutch, while accusing critics of racism toward french speakers.

          • kevin tennant

            Admire competence. Intelligence in my personal hierarchy of values or attributes ? That determination probably best left to others, preferably ones who know me well.
            Good faith invitations are never rescinded , only can be rejected.
            Just as with Canada & U.S., I believe our commonalities and mutual respect far outweigh differences of opinion or quibbles over systems. Something about shared Northern European heritage, or like minded economic and political backgrounds.
            Yet a little spontaneous humor might be encouraged ?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

            Good faith invitations are never rescinded…

            That's good, because I would hate to lose a shot at some free beer. I'm just Canadian that way…

          • kevin tennant

            How wisely spoken. Free beer IS free beer.
            Availability of TRUE Cohiba cigars ?

            I believe the relevant stereotype in MY heritage or background is Scottish parsimoniousness,balanced with Irish conviviality. Such is the genetic stew from which many native Canadians emerged.

          • George

            I don't see much commonality between Canada and US. Canada never invaded other countries, killing and displacing millions of innocent people. Canada was never involved in invasions … bombings … overthrowing governments …
            occupations … suppressing movements for social change … assassinating political leaders … perverting elections … manipulating labor unions … manufacturing "news" … economic and political sanctions … death squads …
            torture … biological warfare … depleted uranium …drug trafficking … etc.
            http://killinghope.org/
            Canada is not a barbarian Empire like the US and never will be.

          • kevin tennant

            Yes George, we barbarians are so hated worldwide for our charity, generosity and fair mindedness. You might ask citizens of Ukraine, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, etc, for their opinions regarding Margaret Thatcher, Pope John Paul II, and Ronald Reagan. ( three DESERVING Nobel Peace Prize candidates )
            Or could we mention Marshall Plan, or Nato, or U.N., or any other significant American achievements ?
            Of course, anyone who's favorably credited by the likes of Noam Chomsky and Oliver Stone MUST be objective and truthful–what, Michael Moore and Ralph Nader were too busy ?

          • kevin tennant

            You dwell on alleged misbehaviour going back a century , while I was born Toronto 1960, full time " barbarian" since '86.
            Did U.S. gov't often act over-zealously to defend perceived national interests ? Of course. They also liberated or helped liberate half the world from Nazism or communism , while funding W.H.O.'s near total eradication of many pestilent diseases. American foreign aid, combined with U.S. private charitable giving, in ANY ONE year dwarfs the total balance by remainder of world, throughout history. ( Check it out ).
            Also , look up Gordon Sinclair's famous commentary from late '70's re: U.S. vs. world.

          • cdn txpyer

            I had a quadruple bypass in Canada. Had to wait three weeks, cause they decided it should be done right away. Didn't seem like a long wait to me.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

            People from the world over don't appear to be risking all to immigrate somewhere else.

            Canada accepts proportionately more immigrants and refugees each year than the U.S. does.

            Why do your best and brightest seem to move here ?

            They don't. You guys get our Pam Andersons, Jim Carreys and Tom Greens. Our useless cretins move to America to make their fortunes, as it's hard for idiots to become millionaires up here.

            Don't you have a funeral to go to?

          • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

            People from the world over don't appear to be risking all to immigrate somewhere else.

            Canada accepts proportionately more immigrants and refugees each year than the U.S. does.

            Why do your best and brightest seem to move here ?

            They don't. You guys get our Pam Andersons, Jim Carreys and Tom Greens. Our useless cretins move to America to make their fortunes, as it's hard for idiots to become millionaires up here.

            Don't you have a funeral to go to?

          • kevin tennant

            Actually no, he hasn't died yet. Proportionately ? Lucky you have all that room, miles of frozen tundra up in Nunavit ! ( Q: How much of frozen north do you want ? A: Nunavit ! )
            And none of your recently board-certified neurosurgeons, cardiologists , etc. have relocated lately ?
            To join the already present engineers & physicists ?
            Btw, you never answered as to how many Canucks would move if allowed. Or re your former Minister of Health's U.S. surgery.
            And you claim all those waiting list for surgery stories aren't true ? So the 10 month wait for a pregnant woman's multiple births in a neonatal unit story was false ? Hmm, let's ask the Michigan hospital she went to.
            I suspect by January there'll be almost as many Canadians in Florida as radical Muslims in Toronto. Do you claim Mark Steyn wasn't harassed by H.Rights inquisitors for repeating Imam quotes in MacLean's article ? Know why Canada got the quebecois , and U.S. got the Mafia ? America had first choice. What's the difference between a Canuck and a canoe ? Sometimes, a canoe just might tip !
            It just isn't fair, is it ?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

            And none of your recently board-certified neurosurgeons, cardiologists , etc. have relocated lately?

            Probably a few. It's called "labour mobility", and it's global. I come across ex-Americans up here every week–doctors, scientists, lawyers, business people, trades-people. It's no big deal.

            …you never answered as to how many Canucks would move if allowed.

            We're all allowed. It's called a "Green Card", and I would have no problem getting one, nor would most Canadians. Only a fraction care to do so.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

            So the 10 month wait for a pregnant woman's multiple births in a neonatal unit story was false?

            Wow. One dilemma in a nation of 37 million. Do you have any idea how many health-care horror stories come out of the U.S. every day? And I don't mean about people waiting; I mean about people dying. But I guess Obama's putting his presidency on the line right now because your health-care system works just swimmingly, right?

            I've had two surgeries in my life, both elective (almost cosmetic, actually), and I waited exactly two months from the date of assignment. Your anti-Canadian ranting on this file is really just childish.

            I suspect by January there'll be almost as many Canadians in Florida…

            Hey, the U.S. is a great place to visit.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

            … radical Muslims in Toronto…

            Why should you guys get them all? At least we don't happily give them flight lessons and merely shrug and smile when they leave before learning how to land. I must say, when I read about that in the 9/11 Commission report, I laughed out loud.

            Do you claim Mark Steyn wasn't harassed by H.Rights inquisitors for repeating Imam quotes in MacLean's article?

            No, I don't. I claim that Steyn is yet another Canadian idiot I wish you guys would take off our hands.

            Actually no, he hasn't died yet.

            Heh. Average Canadian life expectancy is longer than yours, so you might have quite a wait ahead of you.

          • kevin tennant

            Yes, the study done recently by Institute of Demographic Information and Occupational Testing Systems ( IDIOTS, get it ? Can't MAKE UP stuff this good ) said that due to higher gang violence , smoking and obesity rates, Canadian males live on average 2.4 years longer than Americans. That's the GOOD news.
            Bad news is, those extra years have to be spent in Canada, eh ?
            Ba-da-bum.
            Thanks for sending us the intellectuals like Steyn, btw. And of course, Tie Domi ! Or Shatner, or Steve Stills, Eugene Levy, Norman Jewison, David Foster,Ackroyd, et. al. Gotta go, it's been fun. No hard feelings. In fact, next time in TO would love to buy you a malt Scotch and a good cigar…..assuming they're still allowed , that is.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

            In fact, next time in TO would love to buy you a malt Scotch and a good cigar…..assuming they're still allowed , that is.

            Sounds good, but I'm in Ottawa, and I'm a pale ale man. As for cigars–they certainly are still allowed here, and they're Cuban, amigo… ;)

  • The Expansive Saint

    It's always interesting to step back a bit and consider how the Rest of The World looks at the Canada-U.S. relationship.
    We are the envy of the world.
    Period.
    When we bicker about something, it is a domestic tiff. Only Americans are allowed to call us "canuckleheads" and only Canadians are allowed to call Americans "ignorant cowboys" ( or whatever the dig-du-jour is ).
    When push comes to shove, we will fight and die for one another without the slightest hesitation.
    There's a word for that kind of affection…hmmm…I wonder what it is?

    • George

      Canadians are now dying for the Americans in Afghanistan. As to the Americans, they will never need to die for us because Canada will never be attacked by any other nation, except perhaps the US when they will need our water. What we need is an arsenal of nuclear weapons so that we can defend ourselves agains the Yankees when the come to invade us.

  • kevin tennant

    Forgot to spell attractive correctly.
    And apologies to any offended.
    However I sincerely believe the U.S. has historically benefited the world more than any nation, in terms of inventions, science and and overall well-being.
    Even Canuckistan has easy-opening cans, sliced bread, gasoline engines and ESPN ! Well, maybe not Newfoundland, lol.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

      I sincerely believe the U.S. has historically benefited the world more than any nation…

      Yeah, those British were total losers. What did they ever do that America hasn't done–except perhaps invent America…?

  • Brazilian Guest

    Uh… The Brazilian economy is not smaller than Canada's… It is larger, in all lists, both in nominal US dollars and in PPP:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by…

  • Archie

    Spot on, Hud!

  • Ganpat Ram

    All small countries (and Canada is small in terms of population) tend to be anti the big country next door.

    That said, I know Canada well, and DO NOT think Canadians are serious in their anti-Americanism. It is just harmless sounding off. In reality, Canadians know they depend on the US economically. But they also know vheirs is a more decent society.

  • delford t louis

    if there was ever an international incident that sparked a third world war threat (sounds scary?) who would canada run to? the uk? china? india? poland? france? south america? mexico? un? afghanistan? antartica?

  • Screw U

    No Gordeaux. This Americans thinks YOU'RE the JACKASS!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

      Many Canadians agree.

  • kevin tennant

    I don't know if your reply target is a Republican, Democrat, Con, Lib, or NDP'r, but he's correct about the mild socialism in Canada , and that Canada hasn't pulled it's NATO weight since late 40's.
    Not all conservatives ( small c ) are Republicans, they often merely choose the lesser of two evils.Rednecks come in many flavors or stripes.As a native-born Canadian ( see other posts ) I AM qualified after 26 years in Canuckistan to comment on your healthcare issues, economic opportunities or lack thereof,and Government muzzling of free speech.
    Btw, why do you even care what Americans think of your just-above Third World status pissant little country ? As long as we protect you and buy your products, how are you affected ? Many Canucks with gumption and brains have moved for economic success and warmer climes.

  • all of 'er

    I for one don't care if the US doesn't buy our stuff. They don't keep their agreements. We have lots of things they want, like water and petroleum. We should train our military in non violent resistance techniques like the Danes did in the second world war, and play a polite but firm role with the Americans on the trade front. We have a lot of resources here, and a very productive labor force. We don't need to be pushed around by anybody..

  • brianfile23

    Just for the record this "barbarian American cowboy" will take any given episode of SCTV over a dozen of either MADTV or Saturday Night Live…..
    I visited Canada last August and loved every minute of it. Starbucks could learn a thing or two from Tim Hortons. First thing I saw when I came home was someone driving by and tossing a plastic bottle out the window; that's when I realized I was back in America…

    http://file23magazine.wordpress.com/2009/09/05/fi…

  • kevin tennant

    True story ! Levy, Candy,Flaherty, O'Hara, the McKenzies , awesome.
    Complete shows of hilarity, not islands of humor surrounded by mediocre filer, like SNL.
    Kind of sad how they all live in U.S. now, though, huh?
    Must be our LOWER standard of living ! Btw, hear about the Canadian patriot with map of Canada tattooed on his ass ?
    Everytime he sits down, Quebec separates !
    And here in Colorado, we shoot at litterers with our LEGAL guns !

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  • David O.

    Despite all the U.S's issues, lord, please bring me a green card for christmas.

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