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EKOS Weekly: Zoooooooooom! (Thud.)(39.7/25.7/15.2/9.7/38.7)

by kadyomalley on Thursday, October 8, 2009 7:51am - 223 Comments

Hey Liberals! Aren’t you glad you weren’t actually able to bring down the government last week? And Tories — oh, come on, admit it: that ‘nobody wants another election’ talking point has to be starting to stick in your craw right about now. Not only are you firmly planted in just-possibly-depending-how-the-splits-go majority territory, but the Liberals have managed to drop below their 2008 election day support, which up until now was widely thought to be the absolute floor.

So, if you were sitting around the OLO conference room, trying to avoid making eye contact with Ian Davey and wondering if there’s any precedent for senior strategists crossing the floor, what part of today’s EKOS report would you find the most worrying — other than, you know, the numbers?

Here’s a suggestion: for the first time in more than two years, you’re not only trailing the Conservatives in Quebec — yes, it took a while to work through the system, but that much anticipated plunge finally seems to have happened — but in Atlantic Canada as well. Atlantic Canada! That was your one remaining beachhead of stubborn support!

Really, how on earth can you possibly have managed to alienate Canadians so consistently from coast to coast to coast? It’s actually kind of staggering when you think about it, although I’m sure that any number of commenters will be along to explain, in excruciating detail, exactly what has gone so terribly, horribly wrong. (The various leaders’ approval numbers, which are also included in today’s findings, should provide ample fodder for that particular debate.)

The pattern is actually fairly consistent across the regions: the Conservatives are up by three and change, the Liberals are down by roughly the same, and the NDP are holding steady: in fact, they’re even back on the rise out east, although the anti-HST crusade doesn’t seem to be doing much to move the ball forward in British Columbia or Ontario.

Anyway, without further ado — the national numbers, with a margin of error of 1.8 percent (NOT THAT IT MATTERS AT THIS POINT SERIOUSLY YOU GUYS):

Conservatives: 39.7 (+3.7)
Liberals: 25.7 (-4.0)
NDP: 15.2 (+1.3)
Green: 9.7 (-0.8)
Bloc Quebecois (in Quebec): 38.7 (-0.9)

The regional breakdowns:

British Columbia (MoE 5.92)
Conservatives: 41.6 (+4.2)
Liberals: 22.2 (-3.0)
NDP: 23.5 (+0.2)
Green: 12.7 (+1.6)

Alberta (MoE 6.71)
Conservatives: 61.0 (-2.1)
Liberals: 13.5 (-2.5)
NDP: 13.0 (+3.0)
Green: 12.5 (+1.7)

Saskatchewan/Manitoba (MoE 6.86)
Conservatives: 51.6 (+2.8)
Liberals: 22.7 (-3.5)
NDP: 18.4 (-1.6)
Green: 7.2 (+2.2)

Ontario (MoE 2.89)
Conservatives: 43.8 (+3.8)
Liberals: 32.5 (-3.2)
NDP: 13.9 (+0.5)
Green: 9.7 (-1.1)

Quebec (MoE 3.48)
Bloc Quebecois: 38.7 (-0.9)
Conservatives: 22.2 (+5.6)
Liberals: 21.0 (-5.4)
NDP: 9.7 (+1.5)
Green: 8.4 (-0.8)

Atlantic Canada (MoE 6.95)
Conservatives: 34.8 (+5.1)
Liberals: 32.4 (-8.3)
NDP: 26.2 (+7.3)
Green: 6.6 (-5.1)

…. and finally, the cities:

Vancouver (MoE 10.22)
Conservatives: 44.9 (+2.7)
Liberals: 25.8 (-0.7)
NDP: 18.2 (-2.5)
Green: 11.1 (-1.4)

Calgary (MoE 12.45)
Conservatives: 48.1 (-13.9)
Liberals: 22.7 (+3.1)
NDP: 10.0 (+6.7)
Green: 19.1 (+4.1)

Toronto (MoE 5.59)
Conservatives: 44.8 (+5.7)
Liberals: 35.6 (-7.7)
NDP: 10.3 (-0.9)
Green: 9.4 (+2.0)

Ottawa (MoE 8.00)
Conservatives: 45.8 (+2.4)
Liberals: 36.0 (-3.3)
NDP: 9.5 (-0.5)
Green: 8.6 (+1.4)

Montreal (MoE 5.35)
Bloc Quebecois: 37.2 (+2.7)
Conservatives: 19.8 (+5.6)
Liberals: 24.4 (-7.3)
NDP: 8.5 (+1.2)
Green: 10.2 (-2.1)

Tags: crisis baldrick - crisis!, ekos weekly, it's all about him, that speech on tax hikes will totally turn this around

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http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

I'm sure you have their best interests at heart. :)

Smith

Many of us have said similar things since his coronation. They've just got to renew the party. There is no short cut. One member one vote would help. And my sense is that this trend down has not hit bottom. It may not be that long anticipated decline, but its going to make Dion look like the good old days.
wilson

Harper is at his best when he's being challenged. Or maybe I'm stating the obvious.

hosertohoosier

I've noticed that as well. Harper is kind of like a classic cartoon villain. He gets really close to his goal through cunning, then gets over-confident and blows it all. He's done it in all three elections. However, also like cartoon villains, he always escapes to plot another day. He did it in '08 (where it looked like he was going to tank, towards the end), in the coalition crisis and so on.

Riley Hennessey

On a related note, does anyone think the Liberals War-Room is looking at these numbers, and wondering if the "mean spirit" attack plans are still viable? They tried them in 2004, 2006, and 2008 and each time the CPC increased its seat count.

Now I notice that Warren Kinsella, War Room Czar, is rebranding Harper as "Mr. Angry". 4th time's the charm anyone?
Dakota

So…..how about that Quebec number Kady.

I wish I had copied my post from last week.

http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

No need. It's always the same post anyway.

http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

Also of note: Only 14.5% of respondents are undecided. That's an interesting story in and of itself.
Stoicsicm

Yo Kady, ya seen the poll numbers for Iffy among broads? I can't believe it: Canadian women now prefer the Tories over the Liberals? Insane! Somebody bring me a platter of the finest meats, cheeses, and heroin!

My theory is that Iffy is too Alpha for Canadian women: they want a doormat like Dion, not someone who looks like their dentist and has a little backbone. Thoughts, anyone?

caz

And you speak for canadian women? You must be a man.. I don't want a doormat for my PM and the count apparently suffers more from his ragdoll whipping because of his spineless "thoughts"..he's nothing but a poser and a massive ego on legs. Canadian women are slowly waking up to the fact that they've been lied to and manipulated by the liberal punditry and the media into believing that Harper is a monster. Stoicsicm….you may need a lot more than heroin by the time this is done. Nothing turns most women off more than an arrogant wannabe…posing as God's gift to the country.
Laura

Alpha? You must be joking (maybe 25 yrs. ago, although not my type). Women do not like grumpy paternalism with ego (I, me). Competence and self-confidence works for me. As well, it's about who can manage the economy now. With 4 years in, the CPC knows where to make the needed cuts that will have to come. They will be in the next budget.

even flow

Than how the hell can you support Harper? The man has a bigger ego than that the entire MaCleans staff put together.

wilson

'Thoughts, anyone? '
Women want the same thing in a government and PM that men do.
http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

In what alternative reality is Iffy an alpha (fill in the blank)?

Yikes!

http://intensedebate.com/people/bazoo bazoo

With numbers like these behind them, there will be a lot of motivation for the Cons to make a powerplay in the form of another poison pill. My guess would be that this time it won't necessarily be about party financing but rather will advance their "corrections road map."

http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

It would be wrong to use a poison pill to trigger an election. The Government is a minority and must keep the confidence of the house to govern at all times.

Over 1300 days the longest in history.

January budget including HST are reasonable grounds for the oppositions to withdraw their support. The voters will decide in a spring election.

daffyd

Interesting difference between Conservative Alberta number and Conservative Calgary number. Also, the Calgary NDP and Green numbers, while not suggesting a seat win, show some kind of changes happening there.

Dakota

I wouldn't fret too much about Calgary becoming a new NDP, Green, or Liberal battleground. I tend to think a certain percentage of people who answer these polls get the federal Tory's confused with our much maligned provincial Tory's.

Just as a side to that, Alberta had a provincial poll released with a big gain for the Wildrose Alliance.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/technology/Wildrose+…
Laura

Stelmach plus migrations.

http://intensedebate.com/people/TwoYen TwoYen

The numbers that blew me away were in Montreal, where the Liberals only lead the Tories by 24.4 to 19.8 percent. Can this be true?

http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

CPC must have rerouted all the telephone calls to CPC HQ. sssssssssssshhhh!

Earl Riley

Kady thanks for the great work. Any ideas how these numbers would translate into seats? I'm thinking CPC between 165 and 175 given the vote splits in BC and Saskatoba. If the Maritime numbers are to be believed then we are looking at the upper range me thinks.

http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

I think you are a little high without PQ numbers mo\\ving higher…..its more like 158 to 162 con based on these numbers and splits. A bad ground game by the Libs in Toronto would put the cons 3 or 4 more seats higher, once agains based on these numbers and these splits.
http://intensedebate.com/people/Savant Savant

That's way too high. I think 160 is the high end based on recent numbers. Even with the Tory's numbers in Quebec that just isn't translating into seats. The Liberals would need to start losing seats in the cities for the numbers to go higher, and even with the polls as they are, I just don't see that happening.
http://intensedebate.com/people/ChrisInKW ChrisInKW

From threehundredeight dot com:

Thursday, October 8, 2009: The Conservatives have picked up six seats and are now at 135. The Liberals have lost five and are at 100, while the NDP has lost one and is at 24. The Bloc Quebecois is steady at 49 seats.

Alberta Bound

Why give a Calgary breakdown and not an Edmonton one? Calgary is as locked down as Alcatraz for the CPC while in Edmonton you have a current NDP MP sitting, as well as 2 Liberal MPs in the recent past.
http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

Since I am in Ontario I find Lib numbers in Ont to be shocking.

I wonder if Ontarians displeasure with Prov Libs baksheesh and incompetence that has been revealed over the past few months is being transferred to Fed Libs. Pox on both Lib parties, so to speak.

http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

The recent by election did not yeild any discontent. It is probably the federal liberals who are are viewed as a WORSE alternative. Dalton is still Teflon Dad.
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

The recent by election did not yield any discontent. It is probably the federal liberals who are are viewed as a WORSE alternative. Dalton is still Teflon Dad.

It is NOT about Harper is it is about how much they dont like their other choices.

wilson

So maybe Libs should just change out their leader and presto! they are back in government.

Randy Robert

What a strange world of politics in this country. We have a Prime Minister who claims that he doesn’t want an election when he really does. The Leader of the Opposition claiming that he wants an election when he really doesn’t. The Leader is trying to talk about real issues that concern everyone, but no one is listening.
The media is focusing on the popularity contest between Harper and Ignatieff instead of looking at the real issues of how the government of the day is really functioning.
The Prime Minister, who broke his own law on election dates, who disregards court decisions, who makes everything about his party staying in power by discrediting everyone else, who is not afraid to use falsehoods to shape public opinion, and one who calls for transparency in government, while strictly controlling the press and stonewalling on issues, seems to get positive press.
Shame on the media for not reporting more about what Harper does instead of what he says.

Dakota

Yes…obviously the Canadian people are far too stupid to form an opinion of their own.

Typical Liberal mentality.
http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

Ready the September 25, 2009 Press release from the Liberal Party.

Are you suggesting the Liberals have been providing a meaningful debate and alternative list of detailed policies and ideas?

Please link those ideas.
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

Read the September 25, 2009 Press release from the Liberal Party.

Are you suggesting the Liberals have been providing a meaningful debate and alternative list of detailed policies and ideas?

Please link those ideas.

http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

Cons at 20% in Montreal? 45% in Toronto? There goes the Lib stronghoods. The Libs are in bad shape. At least they've got a strong 13% foothold in Alberta.

http://intensedebate.com/people/BCVoiceOfReason BCVoiceOfReason

There is incredible backlash on Stelmach. The Liberal support will hold there as a protest vote until the Wild Rose fields some viable candidates

hollinm

I could go on and on about the mistakes Iffy has made but that would be far too partisan.
However, I will make one comment which will further reduce polling numbers in the next round.
Yesterday he pompously suggests (his people did on his behalf or was it Bob Rae's people) that he is going to have an adult conversation with Canadians about the deficit.
This from a man who has lived in the country for five years, has never managed anything, has never served in government and he is going to lecture Canadians about the deficit. Does he thing we are fools?
So since Iffy is deaf Canadians have decided to have an adult conversation with him by driving his poll numbers down. Will they reach 20%? Could happen if he doesn't stop being narcissistic and pompous. Of course he can't help it because that is who he is.

http://www.TennisVagabond.com Big Dave S

I think you're right, and I think its even simpler than that: Iggy has a horrible public persona. When I first read about him I thought, this is a guy who can challenge Harper.
Then I saw him speak, and there was no doubt in my mind, Canadians are going to hate this guy. Smug, smarmy, fake. He comes across as a guy you want to punch in the face. Or as a fine and honest journalist once said, pour a milkshake over his head.

oppo guy

Jack Layton's decision to make parliament work isn't having anywhere near the disastrous affect that the punditocrisy predicted it would. Conversely, it's hurt the Liberals in epic proportions.

In the long run playing the pragmatic, constructive adult in the House of Commons – a more natural role for Layton, in actuality, than the bombastic stalwart – will pay off for the New Dems.

wilson

'the punditocrisy' can't think past the NDP being attacked to the Liberal hip.
If Jack gets infront of this parade, 2 elections, he's the leader of the Off Opp

http://intensedebate.com/people/BCVoiceOfReason BCVoiceOfReason

What exaclty has Harper done so well in Quebec? Two months ago they were saying that Quebec awas a lost cause for Harper and no Quebecer coiuld possibly vote for someone who continually has been calling the BLOC separists.

What has happened is that Ontario has joined the West. We are more fun, have higher work ethics and are the economic engine of the 21st century.

Quebec is seeing that their only hope for keeping the Confederation gravy train rolling is to appear to be giving the CPC the majority. It was coming anyway and Quebec was going to experience "Western Alienation" being on the outside…. a pariah that could be campaigned against to lock in the natural right to govern.

The CPC uptick in Quebec is simply the realization that Quebec had better get on the CPC express as they have neither the inclination or the economic clout to stand on principle as the West did for the last 20 years.
http://intensedebate.com/people/TwoYen TwoYen

I don't agree with the view that Mr Ignatieff has a "horrible public persona" and that "Canadians are going to hate this guy". He comes across as an OK guy to me, although he is probably excessively partisan for many voters.

The problem facing Mr Ignatieff is that he hasn't distinguished his policies from the current government. Ignatieff has no obvious management skills (indeed some pretty significant cracks are showing) and many Canadians have come to the conclusion that Mr Harper is a competent manager.

So Canadians are left asking why change?
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/BCVoiceOfReason BCVoiceOfReason

What exactly has Harper done so well in Quebec? Two months ago they were saying that Quebec aways a lost cause for Harper and no Quebecer could possibly vote for someone who continually has been calling the BLOC separatists.

What has happened is that Ontario has joined the West. We are more fun, have higher work ethics and are the economic engine of the 21st century.

Quebec is seeing that their only hope for keeping the Confederation gravy train rolling is to appear to be giving the CPC the majority. It was coming anyway and Quebec was going to experience "Western Alienation" being on the outside…. a pariah that could be campaigned against to lock in the natural right to govern.

The CPC uptick in Quebec is simply the realization that Quebec had better get on the CPC express as they have neither the inclination or the economic clout to stand on principle as the West did for the last 20 years.
TikTok

I believe these years under Con ideology is hurting Canadians. We once had a firm grip on national values as a whole, now we are spinning out of that. It's not just Harper of course, no matter who leads the Cons, it's ideology will remain, and that is what must be attacked. Iggy will never be PM, it's not just women who don't trust him, it's young voters as well, who know he and the Liberals also operate under ideology. The populist competition is getting really boring as well, Canadians are sick and tired of them all.

I agree with whoever said Powerplay is next, Harper can't resist his own malignant narcistic tendencies and it'll be about HST, the feds Can't distance themselves from it, it's too late.

Sea Otter

"National values", of course, equal left wing values. Conservative values, OTOH, are "un-Canadian". Glad we got that straightened out.
http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

Perhaps you would care to tell us which "Con ideology" is hurting Canadians. That would be a good start so that all of us on this board know specifically what you are talking about. Firm grip on national values? Please enlighten us.

You can try to make the HST a wedge issue but Canadians will not buy that particulary fantasy. Anybody who follows politics knows that the government supports the HST as did the Liberals before them.They believe it will make the country more conpetitive.

However, whether to implement is entirely a provincial decision. What don't you understand? Nobody twisted Campbell and McGuinty's hands. Yes the feds are helping with the transition costs but that is a good thing for the provinces involved.

Yes the feds have to enact legislation to allow the provinces to implement the HST. That will be a decision for Layton and iffy at the time. I suspect given Iffy's position on the subject they will support the legislation. I may be wrong. If they don't they will have an election on their hands because it is a confidence matter (money bill).
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

Perhaps you would care to tell us which "Con ideology" is hurting Canadians. That would be a good start so that all of us on this board know specifically what you are talking about. Firm grip on national values? Please enlighten us.

You can try to make the HST a wedge issue but Canadians will not buy that particular fantasy. Anybody who follows politics knows that the government supports the HST as did the Liberals before them.They believe it will make the country more conpetitive.

However, whether to implement is entirely a provincial decision. What don't you understand? Nobody twisted Campbell and McGuinty's hands. Yes the feds are helping with the transition costs but that is a good thing for the provinces involved.

Yes the feds have to enact legislation to allow the provinces to implement the HST. That will be a decision for Layton and iffy at the time. I suspect given Iffy's position on the subject they will support the legislation. I may be wrong. If they don't they will have an election on their hands because it is a confidence matter (money bill).
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

Perhaps you would care to tell us which "Con ideology" is hurting Canadians. That would be a good start so that all of us on this board know specifically what you are talking about. Firm grip on national values? Please enlighten us.

You can try to make the HST a wedge issue but Canadians will not buy that particular fantasy. Anybody who follows politics knows that the government supports the HST as did the Liberals before them.They believe it will make the country more conpetitive.

However, whether to implement is entirely a provincial decision. What don't you understand? Nobody twisted Campbell and McGuinty's hands. Yes the feds are helping with the transition costs but that is a good thing for the provinces involved. The premiers have full discretion as to what is covered and the level not the feds.

Yes the feds have to enact legislation to allow the provinces to implement the HST. That will be a decision for Layton and iffy at the time. I suspect given Iffy's position on the subject they will support the legislation. I may be wrong. If they don't they will have an election on their hands because it is a confidence matter (money bill).

Lord Kitchener's Own

OK, I'm awake now.

Somebody, somewhere, had better strike while the iron's hot or I'll fall asleep again!
kcm

Firm clear rules may have prevented a lot of anguish in both instances.

http://intensedebate.com/people/tigerinexil1428 tigerinexile

They both pushed the envelope, absolutely.

But as for your read on Trudeau's move — you've been spun by the separatists, kcm.

http://www.solon.org/Constitutions/Canada/English…

"Furthermore, polls have shown that the patriation of the constitution was not being rejected by the people. In March 1982, a CROP poll indicated that 48 percent of Quebecers blamed Mr. Levesque's government for refusing to sign the accord, while only 32 per cent agreed with it. In June of the same year, a Gallup poll found 49% of Quebecers agreed with the Constitution Act and only 16 per cent disapproved."

Trudeau's only regret was that he didn't hold a referendum on the Constitution Act in Quebec. He had public opinion in Quebec firmly on his side at the time.

Maybe we need better confidence conventions, or maybe it is time to codify them… I think the past system's ambiguity and flexibility has served us well, but if people would prefer that we spell them out, we certainly could pass an advisory statute or even a constitutional amendment, setting out the rules in advance…
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/tigerinexil1428 tigerinexile

They both pushed the envelope, absolutely.

But as for your read on Trudeau's move — you've been spun by the separatists, kcm.

http://www.solon.org/Constitutions/Canada/English…

"Furthermore, polls have shown that the patriation of the constitution was not being rejected by the people. In March 1982, a CROP poll indicated that 48 percent of Quebecers blamed Mr. Levesque's government for refusing to sign the accord, while only 32 per cent agreed with it. In June of the same year, a Gallup poll found 49% of Quebecers agreed with the Constitution Act and only 16 per cent disapproved."

Trudeau's only regret was that he didn't hold a referendum on the Constitution Act in Quebec. He had public opinion in Quebec firmly on his side at the time, as he overrode constitutional conventions regarding Quebec's government's consent.

Re last December – maybe we need better confidence conventions, or maybe it is time to codify them… I think the past system's ambiguity and flexibility has served us well, but if people would prefer that we spell them out, we certainly could pass an advisory statute or even a constitutional amendment, setting out the rules in advance…

kcm

Thanks for the link. I wouldn't say i'd been spun exactly. I always took Trudeau's side of the arguement inany case. But those polls are telling. One question. How did the PQ get away with refusing to recognise this reality in the Quebes leg? And why have so many journalists bought the myth that Trudeau shafted them? Of course it didn't help matters that Mulroney cravenly leant credence to this view in his attempt to one-up PET.
I imagine this story would still get a very different narrative among Q inteligencia to this very day.

http://intensedebate.com/people/tigerinexil1428 tigerinexile

If you don't show up to fight, the other side's interpretation wins by default. (And it can be maddening!)

It's a good lesson for life, and it's certainly a good lesson for politics.

Sea Otter

This is all very simple – Canadians do not want an election right now, and will punish those they deem responsible for the constant state of paralysis in Parliament. The same thing happened last December, when the threat of the coalition pushed the Conservatives up to something like 46%. There was a mini-boom for the Tories in mid-June, when we had a mini-election drama, and of course you have this latest episode.

The Liberals need to figure it out – no one wants an election right now. They need to tour their leader across the country, build their coffers, and construct a policy platform. They have to earn their way back into government. If they go out and do that spade work, they will be rewarded for it eventually. If they continue to thrash around like a fish on a dock, trying to get back into government the quick and easy way, they will continue to sink.
matt

Soooooooooooooft Tory numbers. 45% in Toronto/Vancouver? Not ever ever ever going to have that voting percentage, even if Ignatieff campaigned in an Old Glory speedo. But I'd believe that those soft votes might just stay home and let the Tories pick up some "snowball in hell seats."

Sea Otter

Ding ding ding! Give the man a prize. Declining turnout benefits the party with greater voter intensity, and that is the Tories in spades right now. They don't need any more actual votes – they just need some more Liberals to stay home, which looks increasingly likely.
hosertohoosier

"Toronto" and "Vancouver" include a lot of suburban areas where the Tories are already quite strong. Even in 2008 there were a few downtown Toronto seats (and Vancouver) ones where the Tories did quite well. They were pretty close in Don Valley West, for instance, and Eglinton-Lawrence (Joe Volpe's seat). Toronto has returned Tories before too. Harris in 1995, for instance, even won in my riding (Parkdale-High Park), one of the most left wing ridings in the country.
http://intensedebate.com/people/ChrisInKW ChrisInKW

Fantastic imagery there. I love it.

matt

The sample was taken during Sept. 30 – Oct. 6, i.e., it might be missing some of the piano bounce effect.
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/john_g2708 john g

I don't think the steep drop in Iggy's support is all that complicated to explain.

He's trying to force an election that almost nobody wants, not even a year after his party was decimated in the last one, for the most crassly ambitious of motives, when the economy is recovering rather well under the Tories and the public is not really discontent with how the Tories are doing a year after they were elected. Furthermore, he hasn't even dropped so much as a hint of what he would do if elected.

I really don't think there's any more to it than that.

http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

in other words….giving life to the image the con ads created……funny that
http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

John,

Iggy has asked voters to take another look at him as an alternative for PM on a number of occassions. He and his friends have not figured out that we are just not into him!