Liberals ready to Think Big

Nice reporting from the Star today, confirming that the Liberal party’s long-anticipated Big Thinkers…

by Andrew Potter on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:47am - 66 Comments

Nice reporting from the Star today, confirming that the Liberal party’s long-anticipated Big Thinkers conference is set to go in January.

I’m generally quite in favour of these sorts of things. A political party is the hinge institution of a democracy, where policy gets transferred into power. It’s bad for democracy when a party is too ideological and unwilling to sacrifice principle for power — as was too often the case with the Reform party. But it’s probably worse when a party is so blindly focused on gaining and keeping power that it loses sight of why it wants to govern in the first place. See: Liberal party from 2000 to 2006.

But here’s a caution to the Liberal party. From the Star’s piece, you already get the sense that expectations for this within the party are high, and getting higher by the week. As always, Liberals are thinking back to the famous Kingston conference that energized the Pearson years, and the Aylmer conference that gave Chretien a push. It’s like they think all they have to do is read a bunch of academic papers and the majority governments will beat a path to their door.

But things have changed a lot in Canada in the nearly 20 years since the Aylmer conference. It’s a much different country, and it faces much different challenges. I don’t have a solid argument on this, but my feeling is that the ideological landscape of Canada has narrowed considerably since then. What that means is that Canadian politics is much less amenable to Big Ideas and Grand Narratives. That isn’t to say we don’t face problems, many of which are open to partisan disagreement. But in general, the country seems to me to have become substantially post-partisan. To put it in a way that will drive a lot of you nuts: Canada, as a state, might have reached the End of History in the Fukuyamian sense.

Which means that the idea that the Liberals will come out of this conference brimming with a grand national vision is misplaced. Instead of a big policy conference every few decades, where they expect to set in motion a strategy that will bring them years of comfortable power, the Liberals might want to consider having a regular series of small conferences. Hold them every two years, or one a year alternating official languages. Or better yet, make long-term strategic thinking a permanent part of the party appparatus. But keep it small and keep it nimble — the world operates in a much higher tempo than it did when Mulroney was in power.

What the Liberals need are not a couple of Big Ideas (High Speed Rail! National Energy Grid!) that will require massive amounts of political and financial capital, but a whole bunch of great little ideas. Can a bunch of little ideas add up to a comprehensive strategy that could serve as a proper political brand? Of course. It’s harder to do, and it requires, in many ways, far more in the way of leadership.

Is Ignatieff the man for the job? Maybe, but only if he shows himself willing to think small.

(In many ways, what I’m getting at is something close to what Andrew Coyne and I both argued a few years ago for the 40th anniversay of This Magazine — our little essays are available here.)

are different challenges facing the country,

already feel the excitement building in the party, and with excitiemetn

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  • kcm

    'Because the party makes them feel like they have a voice. And substantively, many of their platform planks were the direct product of tapping into the real grievances and desires of their members'

    You make it sound as if all the deep thinkers are down on the family farm or corner store. [ i'm sure there are ] The generation of ideas often comes from those with grievences who then join political parties and try to persuade others. Eventually you have a consensus of sorts. I don't dispute this is valid. But this is getting dangerously close to the canard that educated elite idealists should have no say because they aint ordinary folks. I'm sure you didn't intend that but you must agree it's a downside to modern populism. It's Pallinism writ large and frankly it disgusts me. I have no problem with populism if includes everyone, and doesn't just appeal to the lowest common denominator.

  • kcm

    Is that i any way like my father's gripe? I don't have children anymore. It's fascism. Why should i have to pay school taxes?

  • kcm

    I meant school age kids…sorry dad.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

    "when fascism comes to America, it will not be in brown and black shirts. It will not be with jackboots. It will be Nike sneakers and smiley shirts. Smiley-smiley. Fascism – Germany lost the Second World War. Fascism won it. Believe me, my friend."

    I don't know your dad, nor do I know what he gripes about. But even George Carlin understood what's going on.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

    "when fascism comes to America, it will not be in brown and black shirts. It will not be with jackboots. It will be Nike sneakers and smiley shirts. Smiley-smiley. Fascism – Germany lost the Second World War. Fascism won it. Believe me, my friend."

    I don't know your dad, nor do I know what he gripes about. But even George Carlin understood what's going on. But I do like your education example. State indoctrinating kids from an early age is a great example of fascism.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

    "when fascism comes to America, it will not be in brown and black shirts. It will not be with jackboots. It will be Nike sneakers and smiley shirts. Smiley-smiley. Fascism – Germany lost the Second World War. Fascism won it. Believe me, my friend." George Carlin

    I don't know your dad, nor do I know what he gripes about. But I do like your education example. State indoctrinating kids from an early age is a great example of fascism. Even Carlin understood what's going on around us.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/TJCook TJCook

      Alternately: "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" –Sinclair Lewis.

      So jolyon, just so we're clear: you think Canada would be better off without a 100+-year history of educating its population at public expense? Never mind our current dropout rates and levels of illiteracy, you think we would all be better off if education bore out-of-pocket cost for each student?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

        "you think Canada would be better off without a 100+-year history of educating its population at public expense?"

        Yes. We would have much better education system if private companies were competing for students. I would prefer it if parents paid to educate their own children but I would accept State giving parents $10,000 per annum, per kid and let parents decide which school would best educate their children. This would allow all kinds of different types of schools to open and kids would no longer be expected to attend one size fits all school system we have now.

        I would even settle for system where we eliminated the past 45 years of educational quackery and teachers went back to how it used to be: impart useful knowledge kids need to know and stop teachers from thinking they are the moppets moral and spiritual guardians.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/TJCook TJCook

          If parents paid directly for their kids' education, the poor would, of course, be even further disadvantaged. The very success of public education has been in setting a minimum standard of education for everybody and we all reap the benefits.

          As for vouchers – if you don't like your taxes paying to educate kids that aren't yours, how happy will you be about your taxes paying for the School for the Lifestyle You Disagree With around the corner? Do you think it'll be a good outcome to atomize children's upbringing into the narrow religious or special interest categories that appeal to their parents?

          Frankly, I don't like my tax dollars supporting the Separate school system (and I went through it!) because the state should have no involvement with religion. Now, in the name of eliminating "fascist" education, I'm supposed to support a school for every religion out there?

          As for the past 45 years of "educational quackery", I think you need to go back to shouting at those teenagers to get off your lawn. I have kids in the public education system right now. I'm not totally satisfied but your complaints about quackery bear no semblance to the reality I see.

  • http://theplaceofbiff.blogspot.com biff

    Liberals "Thinking Big" invariably translates into Canadians thinking big tax and spending increases.

    Conservatives are by no means angels in fiscal prudence right now, but all this big government talk coming from the left will be food for thought for any responsible Canadian moderately concerned with our tax levels and burgeoning government apparatus.

    Oh sure, there are many big government voters out there -

    but not nearly enough to divide up among three other parties.

    A long conservative reign is likely upon us.

    • wilson

      ''A long conservative reign is likely upon us. ''

      As it should be,
      following a long Liberal reign that has left the LPC out of touch and out of ideas.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ed_Sweeney Ed_Sweeney

    Potter's very credible argument aside, I find it perplexing that the Liberals are calling for this conference after Mike has been appearing in ads proclaiming that he already has the big plan. Is this a newer bigger plan they are working on?

  • Foreigner

    "Mike has been appearing in ads proclaiming that he already has the big plan."

    No. That's just the post-literate "gut feeling" you got when you watched those ads. Ignatieff's notions of vision have been largely aspirational at this point.

    It's legitimate to argue against Big Ideas, but for once, I'd like to hear a persuasive one, and not just the usual eye-rolling we get from people like Andrew Potter.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ed_Sweeney Ed_Sweeney

    Good of you to grant what is legitimate to argue. Big Ideas died with the collapse of Keynesian economics and the fall of the Berlin Wall. That's persuasive enough for most people.

  • Foreigner

    Uh, in case you haven't noticed…it's over 20 years later (and how old were you when the Berlin Wall fell, anyway?). Neoliberalism and American triumphalism have also failed. Spectacularly, I might add.

    I was tired of Big Ideas back then too, but it wasn't too long before those two Big Ideas filled the vacuum.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ed_Sweeney Ed_Sweeney

      You are arguing that big ideas haven't failed by arguing that big ideas have failed. Spectacular logic.

  • hosertohoosier

    What I am detecting here is a meme that with the end of socialism (affirming the end of history argument, incidentally) there are no big ideas out there. I think this reflects considerable success on the part of free-marketeers in painting the small government status quo as some sort of default – ie. as a world that is not the result of big ideas, but just the way things are. The Reagan/Gingrich/Chretien/Thatcher/Klein/Harris revolutions were big ideas, and controversial ones. I think it is meaningful that rolling back those revolutions is seen as revolutionary, while keeping them is not. It means that, for once, Conservatives can actually be Conservative defenders of the status quo. Indeed electorally motivated folks on the left (Ignatieff, Martin, Chretien, Clinton, most blue dems and Blair) have operated largely by co-opting those ideas, rather than challenging them.

    I am not so sure that is a permanent situation, however. Indeed, the 2008 recession was a good reminder that markets are imperfect. Perhaps the Liberals would do well to learn from the winner of the Nobel prize in economics this year (Elinor Ostrom). There is a third way to get things done other than markets and the states. In policymaking there are no panaceas – a statist approach works well in some areas (say, fighting crime), and a market approach in others. Still other systems (such as our parliament) operate with informal and unwritten rules and conventions that are mutually agreed upon and largely self-enforced (there is no law telling the governor-general… or is it the Queen… whom she must appoint as PM for instance).

    So perhaps if the Liberals wanted to "THINK BIG!" they might "think small". Canadian policy debates have traditionally been dominated by federal-provincial relations. The Liberals could push for a third way – becoming the party of local government.

  • Ed3463

    "my feeling is that the ideological landscape of Canada has narrowed considerably . . . . " Don't confuse BIG Ideas with BIG Government.
    If the Grits cannot see a Big idea tha does not involve bigger government, that will be their downfall in this generation.
    I also agree that "policy conferences" tend to be tightly scripted and closed affairs. With all progress in social networking and on-line blogging we seem to be as disconnected as ever from the policymaking work of Parliament.

  • Wascally Wabbit

    By jove – I think he's got it Mr. Wherry that is – I'm not sure about Mr. Ignatieff.
    In contrast to some of writers above – the policy conference came out with a well balanced mix of policies – which Policy chair Joan Bourassa pulled together for Mr. Ignatieff in July ( a little late – he wanted it by June).
    The grassroots got fire up in the spring debating al this online. Still full of optimism, they held on through the summer – waiting for the strategic moment when it would be released – with great fanfare – to differentiate us from the CPC. Then – polite enquiries to Ms. Bourassa got the standard reply – The constitution states that the leader does not have to take regard of the policies voted on at a policy confernece…Duh! Take that grassroots! I think the consequences of that decision – and playing peekaboo are beginning to sink in – at last!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ed_Sweeney Ed_Sweeney

      By jove, I think you mean Mr. Potter.

    • kcm

      That is depressing. Who would you blame for that? The party brass? Ignatieff? Or is it just rookie syndrome?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

    Whenever the Liberals Think Big, large swaths of the country get significantly poorer.

  • Foreigner

    Oops. "they're."

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