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		<title>By: train horn</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-2/#comment-190680</link>
		<dc:creator>train horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 10:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post was very well written, and it also contains many useful facts. I appreciated your professional way of writing the post. Thanks, you have made it easy for me to understand.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post was very well written, and it also contains many useful facts. I appreciated your professional way of writing the post. Thanks, you have made it easy for me to understand.<br />
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		<title>By: loan Fall River</title>
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		<dc:creator>loan Fall River</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is amazing at how far they will go! I admire you and thank you for trying to wake people up with all the great information you are putting out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is amazing at how far they will go! I admire you and thank you for trying to wake people up with all the great information you are putting out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Lymph Treatment</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lymph Treatment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well this is very interesting indeed. Would love to read a little more of this. Great post. Thanks for the heads-up. This blog was very informative and knowledgeable</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well this is very interesting indeed. Would love to read a little more of this. Great post. Thanks for the heads-up. This blog was very informative and knowledgeable</p>
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		<title>By: linen trousers</title>
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		<dc:creator>linen trousers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 10:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is understandable to me now, but in general, the usefulness and importance is overwhelming. Thanks again and good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is understandable to me now, but in general, the usefulness and importance is overwhelming. Thanks again and good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: midhunboss</title>
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		<dc:creator>midhunboss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 07:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m delighted to know that she&#039;s relocated close by to where the Angier family compound was.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.seo-directmail-lists.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bulk mail&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m delighted to know that she&#039;s relocated close by to where the Angier family compound was.<br />
<a href="http://www.seo-directmail-lists.com" rel="nofollow">bulk mail</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Katzman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Katzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wonder if Steyn knows that Allah means God in Arabic. It doesn&#039;t specify which one!&quot;

Yes it does. Try delivering that line on TV in Saudi Arabia, and see what happens to you.

&quot;Al&quot; is used often in Arabic, and is roughly equivalent to &quot;The.&quot; It combines with &quot;lah,&quot; and properly translates as &quot;THE [one, indivisible, neither begot nor begetting] God.&quot;

Mind you, Jack Layton may well see the socialist state in those terms, and simply rely on the mutual incomprehension of his audience to sound good, while camouflaging the mortal insult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I wonder if Steyn knows that Allah means God in Arabic. It doesn&#039;t specify which one!&quot;</p>
<p>Yes it does. Try delivering that line on TV in Saudi Arabia, and see what happens to you.</p>
<p>&quot;Al&quot; is used often in Arabic, and is roughly equivalent to &quot;The.&quot; It combines with &quot;lah,&quot; and properly translates as &quot;THE [one, indivisible, neither begot nor begetting] God.&quot;</p>
<p>Mind you, Jack Layton may well see the socialist state in those terms, and simply rely on the mutual incomprehension of his audience to sound good, while camouflaging the mortal insult.</p>
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		<title>By: Mars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grieve--Iggy grieve!!! YOur arrogance is taking over--what-who-- where &amp; when--are U??? Have U nothing 2 say 2 the electorate--except what the other parties are not doing!!! Get off your high horse &amp; tell us who U really are!! Wouldn&#039;t vote 4 a liberal--anyhow-have nothing 2 go on!!! so look up--4 a chamge--&amp; open your eyes!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grieve&#8211;Iggy grieve!!! YOur arrogance is taking over&#8211;what-who&#8211; where &amp; when&#8211;are U??? Have U nothing 2 say 2 the electorate&#8211;except what the other parties are not doing!!! Get off your high horse &amp; tell us who U really are!! Wouldn&#039;t vote 4 a liberal&#8211;anyhow-have nothing 2 go on!!! so look up&#8211;4 a chamge&#8211;&amp; open your eyes!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Langmuir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Langmuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignatieff is now officially unelectable. God save the Liberal party of Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignatieff is now officially unelectable. God save the Liberal party of Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: canucklehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>canucklehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 04:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Falling on deaf ears/your own sword here.</description>
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		<title>By: FPSS_Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>FPSS_Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 04:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What ARE Human Rights? I would suggest that it was stated most accurately in the American Declaration of Independence, where it was written, you have the right to the PURSUIT of happiness. More to the point, one does not have a RIGHT to happiness, for that implies it must be provided to you, and therefore someone somewhere is obligated by this right to your happiness. A RIGHT does not obligate another individual to you. A RIGHT does not enslave one portion of society to another. This would appear to fly in the face of the lofty goals written in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights where apparently you have the right to an education, a right to a standard of living, a right to be treated with dignity. Well, no. Certainly anyone with any compassion and empathy might agree with this to some degree, but if you make it someones right to have these things, you enslave others to provide it. Quite simply, you have the right to EARN these things. We seem to have lost any requirement for self responsibility. We seem to have lost any backbone. We rely on Human Rights Commissions to water down what human rights actually are so that these new-age rights do exactly the opposite of what we want them to do. They stifle and discourage freedom.

Regards
Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What ARE Human Rights? I would suggest that it was stated most accurately in the American Declaration of Independence, where it was written, you have the right to the PURSUIT of happiness. More to the point, one does not have a RIGHT to happiness, for that implies it must be provided to you, and therefore someone somewhere is obligated by this right to your happiness. A RIGHT does not obligate another individual to you. A RIGHT does not enslave one portion of society to another. This would appear to fly in the face of the lofty goals written in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights where apparently you have the right to an education, a right to a standard of living, a right to be treated with dignity. Well, no. Certainly anyone with any compassion and empathy might agree with this to some degree, but if you make it someones right to have these things, you enslave others to provide it. Quite simply, you have the right to EARN these things. We seem to have lost any requirement for self responsibility. We seem to have lost any backbone. We rely on Human Rights Commissions to water down what human rights actually are so that these new-age rights do exactly the opposite of what we want them to do. They stifle and discourage freedom.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Ceeger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ceeger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 02:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What evidence do you have that Steyn plays better with &quot;lesser&quot; educated people? Have you done a poll, or are you privy to a poll that shows how he is trending, based on level of education attained? Or are you, as I suspect is most likely, simply making the entire thing up as you go along in an attempt to bolster your specious argument?
I&#039;m educated. I like Steyn&#039;s columns. And I also &quot;harbour a dislike towards the groups most protected by the HRC&quot; for the simple reason that they are a serious threat to my individual rights and liberty of thought and expression as a Canadian. I guess your pollster didn&#039;t have my number.
But, I know, I know - you&#039;re right because you&#039;re left, and I&#039;m wrong because I&#039;m right. The same old drum - but the cadence of the left&#039;s drumbeats are growing fainter as Canadians evaluate the foundation of the arguments being presented by leftists, only to find they are made of sifting sand. The looming Conservative government majority that is in the offing should shock you to that conclusion before long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What evidence do you have that Steyn plays better with &quot;lesser&quot; educated people? Have you done a poll, or are you privy to a poll that shows how he is trending, based on level of education attained? Or are you, as I suspect is most likely, simply making the entire thing up as you go along in an attempt to bolster your specious argument?<br />
I&#039;m educated. I like Steyn&#039;s columns. And I also &quot;harbour a dislike towards the groups most protected by the HRC&quot; for the simple reason that they are a serious threat to my individual rights and liberty of thought and expression as a Canadian. I guess your pollster didn&#039;t have my number.<br />
But, I know, I know &#8211; you&#039;re right because you&#039;re left, and I&#039;m wrong because I&#039;m right. The same old drum &#8211; but the cadence of the left&#039;s drumbeats are growing fainter as Canadians evaluate the foundation of the arguments being presented by leftists, only to find they are made of sifting sand. The looming Conservative government majority that is in the offing should shock you to that conclusion before long.</p>
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		<title>By: Foreigner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foreigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God, the gushy Stain sycophants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God, the gushy Stain sycophants.</p>
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		<title>By: Foreigner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foreigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Glad to see someone&#039;s not afraid to make vague allegations in an uncertain attempt to undermine the point being made.&quot;

Yes, but enough about Mark Stain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Glad to see someone&#039;s not afraid to make vague allegations in an uncertain attempt to undermine the point being made.&quot;</p>
<p>Yes, but enough about Mark Stain.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No leader of a national party in Canada will dare to take a position against Section 13 because Canadian Jewish Congress supports it. That&#039;s the &quot;hidden agenda&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No leader of a national party in Canada will dare to take a position against Section 13 because Canadian Jewish Congress supports it. That&#039;s the &quot;hidden agenda&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: canucklehead</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-2/#comment-190666</link>
		<dc:creator>canucklehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had hoped it would be less awkward for Iggy than Harper. Harper has to tip-toe around potential &quot;hidden agenda&quot; issues which is why he isn&#039;t being himself regarding section 13.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had hoped it would be less awkward for Iggy than Harper. Harper has to tip-toe around potential &quot;hidden agenda&quot; issues which is why he isn&#039;t being himself regarding section 13.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us not forget that it is a Liberal government that passed section 13 into law. So it would be rather awkward for the new Liberal leader to attack it and push for its suppression. We should blame Harper for reneging on his prior statements about this Section and maintaining it while he is in power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us not forget that it is a Liberal government that passed section 13 into law. So it would be rather awkward for the new Liberal leader to attack it and push for its suppression. We should blame Harper for reneging on his prior statements about this Section and maintaining it while he is in power.</p>
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		<title>By: robbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m on a Steyn diet (went from overdose to cold turkey) which made this column great to read. I just don&#039;t understand where Iggy&#039;s coming from. I recall being so energized by the prospect of a real liberal leading the Liberal party that I was 2/3&#039;rd of the way to being an Iggybopper and even voting... Liberal.

But instead of ever outflanking Harper to the right - meaning on the side of liberalism in this case - Iggy has, with tragic panache, outflanked him on the field of petulant and petty politicking. The Liberal habit of fighting popularity contests pitting the cool &quot;big Canada&quot; people against the squares is creating a small-tent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m on a Steyn diet (went from overdose to cold turkey) which made this column great to read. I just don&#039;t understand where Iggy&#039;s coming from. I recall being so energized by the prospect of a real liberal leading the Liberal party that I was 2/3&#039;rd of the way to being an Iggybopper and even voting&#8230; Liberal.</p>
<p>But instead of ever outflanking Harper to the right &#8211; meaning on the side of liberalism in this case &#8211; Iggy has, with tragic panache, outflanked him on the field of petulant and petty politicking. The Liberal habit of fighting popularity contests pitting the cool &quot;big Canada&quot; people against the squares is creating a small-tent.</p>
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		<title>By: Wakefield Tolbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wakefield Tolbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In any case, speech is speech.  Or so the left tells us when making everything from government-finanaced PISS_CHRIST art, or crayon posters with questionable sentence structure on more than one occasion, or burning flags and pissing on people.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zombietime.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.zombietime.com&lt;/a&gt;

As against this backdrop from the alleged stalwarts of &quot;free speech&quot; meaning (to the left) that Grog can say bad things about Nog, or show pictures of gory decapitations of George Bush with not visits from secret service agents, I&#039;d say mine and Steyn&#039;s take on things is said &lt;i&gt;fairly well&lt;/i&gt; by comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In any case, speech is speech.  Or so the left tells us when making everything from government-finanaced PISS_CHRIST art, or crayon posters with questionable sentence structure on more than one occasion, or burning flags and pissing on people.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zombietime.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.zombietime.com</a></p>
<p>As against this backdrop from the alleged stalwarts of &quot;free speech&quot; meaning (to the left) that Grog can say bad things about Nog, or show pictures of gory decapitations of George Bush with not visits from secret service agents, I&#039;d say mine and Steyn&#039;s take on things is said <i>fairly well</i> by comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Wakefield Tolbert</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-2/#comment-190662</link>
		<dc:creator>Wakefield Tolbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the hot tip,  right off the Grammarian Express Train, Chico.

Though in the first place I might point out that the mere omission of the requisite follow-up of &quot;attack&quot; to &quot;ad hominem&quot; in order to satisfy the grammarian prudes who haunt us and make sure the phrase&#039;s adjective status is well intact for future generations---is all that much of a sin enough to be evicted from the train.

Secondly, I think your grammarian point might come off with more bang had you spelled the phrase correctly.

Unless, that is, you hail from a land where spelling is far more optional than &quot;parts of speech.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the hot tip,  right off the Grammarian Express Train, Chico.</p>
<p>Though in the first place I might point out that the mere omission of the requisite follow-up of &quot;attack&quot; to &quot;ad hominem&quot; in order to satisfy the grammarian prudes who haunt us and make sure the phrase&#039;s adjective status is well intact for future generations&#8212;is all that much of a sin enough to be evicted from the train.</p>
<p>Secondly, I think your grammarian point might come off with more bang had you spelled the phrase correctly.</p>
<p>Unless, that is, you hail from a land where spelling is far more optional than &quot;parts of speech.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Yuppie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yuppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think anybody who thinks that &quot;ad hominum&quot; is a noun should be on the free speech train.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t think anybody who thinks that &quot;ad hominum&quot; is a noun should be on the free speech train.</p>
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		<title>By: Wakefield Tolbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wakefield Tolbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we certainly appreciate support from all playgrounds, I think we see in some enough emotional baggage and ad hominem with words like &quot;bigot&quot; that it&#039;s not worth the effort to have you on board the Free Speech train.

Especially since the removal or banning or Steyn would bring no real tears to more than a few liberals who just LOVE to posit to the rest of us how they reluctantly must begrudge free speech to people who don&#039;t eat at Elaine&#039;s or read The New Yorker.

Gee...THANKS.

Further,  I doubt it&#039;s real bigotry to raise more than a few eyebrows about the Steynian subject matter--the conversion of Europe&#039;s maternity wards into nurseries for the Sons of Allah (who&#039;re caucasion, even if olive-toned) and the social and cultural decay of Europe and Canada and other People&#039;s Worker Paradises that have all the time in the world to eat, drink, screw, and suck down wine on the beach, and have all manner of sumptious handouts and goodies from government, BUT don&#039;t think enough of their own civilization to either reproduce or defend it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we certainly appreciate support from all playgrounds, I think we see in some enough emotional baggage and ad hominem with words like &quot;bigot&quot; that it&#039;s not worth the effort to have you on board the Free Speech train.</p>
<p>Especially since the removal or banning or Steyn would bring no real tears to more than a few liberals who just LOVE to posit to the rest of us how they reluctantly must begrudge free speech to people who don&#039;t eat at Elaine&#039;s or read The New Yorker.</p>
<p>Gee&#8230;THANKS.</p>
<p>Further,  I doubt it&#039;s real bigotry to raise more than a few eyebrows about the Steynian subject matter&#8211;the conversion of Europe&#039;s maternity wards into nurseries for the Sons of Allah (who&#039;re caucasion, even if olive-toned) and the social and cultural decay of Europe and Canada and other People&#039;s Worker Paradises that have all the time in the world to eat, drink, screw, and suck down wine on the beach, and have all manner of sumptious handouts and goodies from government, BUT don&#039;t think enough of their own civilization to either reproduce or defend it.</p>
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		<title>By: Wakefield Tolbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wakefield Tolbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since trillion is now the new billion when it comes to economics, perhaps the same could be for billions being the new millions in chattersphere.

I say bully for Steyn.

May he get the word out over and over--while he still can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since trillion is now the new billion when it comes to economics, perhaps the same could be for billions being the new millions in chattersphere.</p>
<p>I say bully for Steyn.</p>
<p>May he get the word out over and over&#8211;while he still can.</p>
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		<title>By: @mpatton62</title>
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		<dc:creator>@mpatton62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like speech bans either.  Among all of the other problems they create, they make ordinary bigots look like free-speech martyrs.  Such people are already thoroughly pumped up with self-pity as it is . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t like speech bans either.  Among all of the other problems they create, they make ordinary bigots look like free-speech martyrs.  Such people are already thoroughly pumped up with self-pity as it is . . .</p>
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		<title>By: SisyphusThis</title>
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		<dc:creator>SisyphusThis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firefox will soon have an update with an &quot;irony alert&quot; add-on.</description>
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		<title>By: Abraham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh oh! You better tell Christians in Egypt and other Arabic-speaking countries that when they say &#039;Allah&#039; they are actually praying to the wrong God!</description>
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		<title>By: Dick Richards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you follow the news?  Stephen Harper (Taliban Steve) now  holds the same views as Taliban Jack on the Afgan war  (Note: Mr. Harper doesn&#039;t really &quot;holding views&quot; but he&#039;s taken words almost from jack laytons mouth on the issue)

The Canadian Press
Date: Mon. Mar. 9 2009 7:35 PM ET
NDP Leader Jack Layton earned the nickname &quot;Taliban Jack&quot; by Tories and other critics for promoting the idea of a negotiated ceasefire involving the Afghan government, Pakistani combatants and the Taliban.

Harper said in October 2006 that NDP House Leader Libby Davies was asking &quot;despicable questions&quot; in the House of Commons for raising that possibility.   And as recently as during last spring&#039;s Commons debate on the length of the Afghan mission, Tory MPs were still suggesting it was foolishness to talk to the Taliban.   But reports emerged around the same time that Canadian troops were already engaging in discussions with local leaders connected with the Taliban on the ground in Afghanistan.  The rhetoric has gradually cooled around such activities, and the Conservatives have supported the Karzai government&#039;s efforts to slowly build bridges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you follow the news?  Stephen Harper (Taliban Steve) now  holds the same views as Taliban Jack on the Afgan war  (Note: Mr. Harper doesn&#039;t really &quot;holding views&quot; but he&#039;s taken words almost from jack laytons mouth on the issue)</p>
<p>The Canadian Press<br />
Date: Mon. Mar. 9 2009 7:35 PM ET<br />
NDP Leader Jack Layton earned the nickname &quot;Taliban Jack&quot; by Tories and other critics for promoting the idea of a negotiated ceasefire involving the Afghan government, Pakistani combatants and the Taliban.</p>
<p>Harper said in October 2006 that NDP House Leader Libby Davies was asking &quot;despicable questions&quot; in the House of Commons for raising that possibility.   And as recently as during last spring&#039;s Commons debate on the length of the Afghan mission, Tory MPs were still suggesting it was foolishness to talk to the Taliban.   But reports emerged around the same time that Canadian troops were already engaging in discussions with local leaders connected with the Taliban on the ground in Afghanistan.  The rhetoric has gradually cooled around such activities, and the Conservatives have supported the Karzai government&#039;s efforts to slowly build bridges.</p>
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		<title>By: joannie1</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-2/#comment-190654</link>
		<dc:creator>joannie1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mr. Steyn, Mr. Levant, and Macleans magazine for speaking on this issue.  I couldn&#039;t agree with you more!

I read a quote attributed to Benjamin Franklin and I think it applies to a number of issues.  &quot;Those that would sacrifice liberty for safety don&#039;t deserve liberty&quot;.

It would be refreshing to hear from a politician that doesn&#039;t sound like he&#039;s been scripted by polsters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mr. Steyn, Mr. Levant, and Macleans magazine for speaking on this issue.  I couldn&#039;t agree with you more!</p>
<p>I read a quote attributed to Benjamin Franklin and I think it applies to a number of issues.  &quot;Those that would sacrifice liberty for safety don&#039;t deserve liberty&quot;.</p>
<p>It would be refreshing to hear from a politician that doesn&#039;t sound like he&#039;s been scripted by polsters.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Richards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you &quot;attack your enemy from both sides&quot; (placing your &quot;enemy&quot; in the middle) and you &quot;saw off the branch you&#039;re standing on,&quot; wouldn&#039;t everyone fall down?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you &quot;attack your enemy from both sides&quot; (placing your &quot;enemy&quot; in the middle) and you &quot;saw off the branch you&#039;re standing on,&quot; wouldn&#039;t everyone fall down?</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Richards</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-1/#comment-190652</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Steyn tends to radiate well with rural, lesser educated people who tend to harbour a dislike towards the groups most protected by HRC and he plays to that base who tend to identify as evangelicals (though to his credit he&#039;s catching on to a broader audience) While urban, educated folks look down south, and say to themselves &quot;I don&#039;t want the Westbro Baptist Church here&quot; and ask the question &quot;if I don&#039;t want to be a society like America, why should I give up the HRC?...Is there a middle ground?&quot; (Steyn has yet to answer that question HRC...and on a side note, the HRC might as well be named &quot;Ensuring We&#039;re Not American Commission&quot; ).  These people tend to end up in  mainline denominations.

I suppose Christians who go to church weekly or more may tend to support Harper&#039;s causes, though they also tend to want to put creationism in our schools and get red in the face when you bring up evolution...it is interesting that identify with Steyn a lot more than others normally do

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Steyn tends to radiate well with rural, lesser educated people who tend to harbour a dislike towards the groups most protected by HRC and he plays to that base who tend to identify as evangelicals (though to his credit he&#039;s catching on to a broader audience) While urban, educated folks look down south, and say to themselves &quot;I don&#039;t want the Westbro Baptist Church here&quot; and ask the question &quot;if I don&#039;t want to be a society like America, why should I give up the HRC?&#8230;Is there a middle ground?&quot; (Steyn has yet to answer that question HRC&#8230;and on a side note, the HRC might as well be named &quot;Ensuring We&#039;re Not American Commission&quot; ).  These people tend to end up in  mainline denominations.</p>
<p>I suppose Christians who go to church weekly or more may tend to support Harper&#039;s causes, though they also tend to want to put creationism in our schools and get red in the face when you bring up evolution&#8230;it is interesting that identify with Steyn a lot more than others normally do</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Richards</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-1/#comment-190651</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gaunilion

There&#039;s a desire in the media (and evidently within these comments) to use the world &quot;Christian&quot; and &quot;Albertain&quot; interchangeably and it&#039;s getting tiresome.

The &quot;Christian vote&quot; is almost entirely based on  geographical region and perhaps to a lesser extent education, and little to do with the Bible or church leadership.  Evangelicals tend to be rural and mainline Christians tend to live in the city.  The fact of the matter is, if you polled Christians about Jesus&#039; thoughts on guns, evangelicals would almost certainly conclude Christ was pro-guns and mainline Christians would almost certianly say he would be anti-gun, when if fact, he never brought up the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaunilion</p>
<p>There&#039;s a desire in the media (and evidently within these comments) to use the world &quot;Christian&quot; and &quot;Albertain&quot; interchangeably and it&#039;s getting tiresome.</p>
<p>The &quot;Christian vote&quot; is almost entirely based on  geographical region and perhaps to a lesser extent education, and little to do with the Bible or church leadership.  Evangelicals tend to be rural and mainline Christians tend to live in the city.  The fact of the matter is, if you polled Christians about Jesus&#039; thoughts on guns, evangelicals would almost certainly conclude Christ was pro-guns and mainline Christians would almost certianly say he would be anti-gun, when if fact, he never brought up the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Knuckle_Head</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-2/#comment-190650</link>
		<dc:creator>Knuckle_Head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heroic?? Just another jack-booted blowhard.</description>
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		<title>By: Knuckle_Head</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-1/#comment-190649</link>
		<dc:creator>Knuckle_Head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you say &quot;shallow, manipulative, incompetent politicians whose primary concern is their own election and pay and pensions&quot;, I hope that you include all of the Reform/Alliance/Con party as well as the Libs and NDP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you say &quot;shallow, manipulative, incompetent politicians whose primary concern is their own election and pay and pensions&quot;, I hope that you include all of the Reform/Alliance/Con party as well as the Libs and NDP.</p>
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		<title>By: Mars</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-2/#comment-190648</link>
		<dc:creator>Mars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank goodness- we have someone  like Steyn-- tell it like it is!!!! If Iggy were smart-- he would put out a set of values-- one cuold live by-- but he has NONE! All he is concerned about is the making of his--kingdom!!!  Will people be fooled??? As 4 the  Muslims-- we have already given too much freedom 2 them--it&#039;s time every religion--so called-- obeyed the laws of the land. I feel they are coming here- to eventually take over-(perhaps not in our life time)- doing everything in their mosques-behind closed doors--it&#039;s time we examined this,...
As far as Layton goes-- he is only killing his own goose!! When has he ever shown any morals --or integrety--politically or otherwise! so 2 all politicians-- put your platforms--agendas--policies--&amp; convictions out there-so we know where U stand-- never mind looking 4 a platform that U don&#039;t believe in--nor will the people!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank goodness- we have someone  like Steyn&#8211; tell it like it is!!!! If Iggy were smart&#8211; he would put out a set of values&#8211; one cuold live by&#8211; but he has NONE! All he is concerned about is the making of his&#8211;kingdom!!!  Will people be fooled??? As 4 the  Muslims&#8211; we have already given too much freedom 2 them&#8211;it&#039;s time every religion&#8211;so called&#8211; obeyed the laws of the land. I feel they are coming here- to eventually take over-(perhaps not in our life time)- doing everything in their mosques-behind closed doors&#8211;it&#039;s time we examined this,&#8230;<br />
As far as Layton goes&#8211; he is only killing his own goose!! When has he ever shown any morals &#8211;or integrety&#8211;politically or otherwise! so 2 all politicians&#8211; put your platforms&#8211;agendas&#8211;policies&#8211;&amp; convictions out there-so we know where U stand&#8211; never mind looking 4 a platform that U don&#039;t believe in&#8211;nor will the people!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-1/#comment-190647</link>
		<dc:creator>Maureen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it is - that is the beauty of free speech.</description>
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		<title>By: Gaunilon</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-1/#comment-190641</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaunilon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you honestly not see the difference between those who practice their religion and those who were baptized in a particular denomination as children but later abandoned it?

Among Christians who practice their faith (the easiest differentiator used by pollsters is &quot;attend Church services weekly&quot;) polls consistently show a lopsided support for conservative causes, and they would likely be more in agreement with Steyn than with you on most issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you honestly not see the difference between those who practice their religion and those who were baptized in a particular denomination as children but later abandoned it?</p>
<p>Among Christians who practice their faith (the easiest differentiator used by pollsters is &quot;attend Church services weekly&quot;) polls consistently show a lopsided support for conservative causes, and they would likely be more in agreement with Steyn than with you on most issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaunilon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaunilon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree. If two rights don&#039;t interfere with one another then logically they can both be inalienable.

For example, the right to breathe and the right to blink do not infringe on each other in any way per se. Someone could introduce an artificial link by saying &quot;if you blink I will suffocate him&quot;, but then it is they who are trespassing on people&#039;s rights, not the guy who chooses to exercise his right to blink.

Similarly the right to speak one&#039;s mind does not interfere with the right to live per se, although artificial links may be introduced by those who will kill another based on the urgings or revelations of a third. This does not change the fact that free speech and the right to life can both be irreducible. (I am not saying they should, just that they can.)

Same goes for owning a weapon. Property in general is a more complicated case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree. If two rights don&#39;t interfere with one another then logically they can both be inalienable.</p>
<p>For example, the right to breathe and the right to blink do not infringe on each other in any way per se. Someone could introduce an artificial link by saying &quot;if you blink I will suffocate him&quot;, but then it is they who are trespassing on people&#39;s rights, not the guy who chooses to exercise his right to blink.</p>
<p>Similarly the right to speak one&#39;s mind does not interfere with the right to live per se, although artificial links may be introduced by those who will kill another based on the urgings or revelations of a third. This does not change the fact that free speech and the right to life can both be irreducible. (I am not saying they should, just that they can.)</p>
<p>Same goes for owning a weapon. Property in general is a more complicated case.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Star Falling</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-2/#comment-190645</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Star Falling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for Taliban Jack, one of these days, Mr. Twinkle Toes will be swaggering about Yong Street, dressed in a chiffon/peach pirate shirt, where he&#039;ll notice a deafening silence on behalf of the spectators. Instead of the cheering hoards of gay activists, he&#039;ll see all kinds of Islmaists dressed in their own form of business suits. And they won&#039;t be cheering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for Taliban Jack, one of these days, Mr. Twinkle Toes will be swaggering about Yong Street, dressed in a chiffon/peach pirate shirt, where he&#039;ll notice a deafening silence on behalf of the spectators. Instead of the cheering hoards of gay activists, he&#039;ll see all kinds of Islmaists dressed in their own form of business suits. And they won&#039;t be cheering.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Star Falling</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-2/#comment-190646</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Star Falling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very fascinating article. Haroon Siddiqui wants some form of gag order to prevent people like Steyn from identifying cold hearted fact about Islamic behavior and verses from the Koran-the same seedy stuff is found in the old testament, and if taken at face value is a tad eyebrow raising. For example the story of Lot and his daughters at face value speaks to incest. But the figures in the narrative are mere images to make the story stick. What the story means is that faced with extinction-remember Sodom and Gomorrah were reduced to ashes-people will do the most desperate things to survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very fascinating article. Haroon Siddiqui wants some form of gag order to prevent people like Steyn from identifying cold hearted fact about Islamic behavior and verses from the Koran-the same seedy stuff is found in the old testament, and if taken at face value is a tad eyebrow raising. For example the story of Lot and his daughters at face value speaks to incest. But the figures in the narrative are mere images to make the story stick. What the story means is that faced with extinction-remember Sodom and Gomorrah were reduced to ashes-people will do the most desperate things to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaunilon</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-1/#comment-190644</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaunilon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last year&#039;s US Presidential election.</description>
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		<title>By: Gaunilon</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-1/#comment-190643</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaunilon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last year&#039;s Presidential election.</description>
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		<title>By: Gaunilon</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-1/#comment-190642</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaunilon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last year&#039;s Republican primaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year&#039;s Republican primaries.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaunilon</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-1/#comment-190640</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaunilon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you honestly not see the difference between those who practice their religion and those who were baptized in a particular denomination as children but later abandoned it?

Among Christians who practice their faith (the easiest differentiator used by pollsters is &quot;attend Church services/Mass weekly&quot;) polls consistently show a lopsided support for conservative causes, and would likely be more in agreement with Steyn than with you on most issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you honestly not see the difference between those who practice their religion and those who were baptized in a particular denomination as children but later abandoned it?</p>
<p>Among Christians who practice their faith (the easiest differentiator used by pollsters is &quot;attend Church services/Mass weekly&quot;) polls consistently show a lopsided support for conservative causes, and would likely be more in agreement with Steyn than with you on most issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaunilon</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-1/#comment-190638</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaunilon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not so.  If two rights don&#039;t interfere with one another then logically they can both be irreducible.

For example, the right to breathe and the right to blink do not infringe on each other in any way per se.  Someone could introduce an artificial link by saying &quot;if you blink I will suffocate him&quot;, but then it is they who are trespassing on people&#039;s rights, not the guy who chooses to exercise his right to blink.

Similarly the right to speak one&#039;s mind does not interfere with the right to live per se, although artificial links may be introduced by those who will kill another based on the word of a third.  This does not change the fact that free speech and the right to life can both be irreducible.

Same goes for owning a weapon.  Property in general is a more complicated case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so.  If two rights don&#039;t interfere with one another then logically they can both be irreducible.</p>
<p>For example, the right to breathe and the right to blink do not infringe on each other in any way per se.  Someone could introduce an artificial link by saying &quot;if you blink I will suffocate him&quot;, but then it is they who are trespassing on people&#039;s rights, not the guy who chooses to exercise his right to blink.</p>
<p>Similarly the right to speak one&#039;s mind does not interfere with the right to live per se, although artificial links may be introduced by those who will kill another based on the word of a third.  This does not change the fact that free speech and the right to life can both be irreducible.</p>
<p>Same goes for owning a weapon.  Property in general is a more complicated case.</p>
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		<title>By: SisyphusThis</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-2/#comment-190637</link>
		<dc:creator>SisyphusThis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In honour of Taliban Jack , some dust in the wind ....

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=1082&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In honour of Taliban Jack , some dust in the wind &#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=1082" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: shel</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/15/thinking-about-the-old-ignatieff/comment-page-1/#comment-190636</link>
		<dc:creator>shel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you know what i mean. these three rights are interconnected as parts of a whole. together they make up &quot;the&quot; irreducible primary called &quot;liberty&quot;.  you can&#039;t have one or two without the other(s).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know what i mean. these three rights are interconnected as parts of a whole. together they make up &quot;the&quot; irreducible primary called &quot;liberty&quot;.  you can&#039;t have one or two without the other(s).</p>
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