and is this now also related to the Quebec corruptions scandals going on presently as well.. after all some of of the biggest cement companies are in Montreal.. Lafarge Cement included.. and is this why the Conservative federal government does not want to get into Quebec's legal affairs too?

But as an Albertan and a Canadian, I have only contempt for Harper, who is the worst PM in living memory, worse even than Mulroney. Harper betrays Canada and Canadians every chance he gets and our children will suffer for the bad decisions that meanspirited prick makes today.

The only point I might make in defence (the rest is bang on, LOL) is that a whole lot of us who are Liberals now, did not vote for the Liberal Party on their next opportunity after the sponsorship scandal came to light. I speak for myself, yes, but I'm betting I speak for a number of others around here as well.

(1) Yes he's corrupt, but they're all corrupt!
(2) A smart slippery PM is exactly what this country needs. Naive twits like the Opposition could never govern effectively.
(3) Better to elect the devil you know than gamble on the one you don't!
(4) Yes he'll misuse taxpayer money and bribe his friends, but at least nothing will get done federally and that's a good thing!
(5) We don't care, we like him.
(6) Doesn't matter what he's like, we vote Conservative 'cause it's Canada's Natural Governing Party.
(7) Who cares about corruption. He looks Prime Ministerial. Have you seen those backwoods dweebs in the Opposition?
(8) Peter Mansbridge likes him, and news anchors know everything so he must be ok.

Let me also remind everyone that what we have here so far are (a) some disturbing allegations from the Liberals, (b) a lack of openness from the Conservatives to clear things up, and (c) an idiotic statement by Baird. That is a far cry, as yet, from proven misuse of public money on a grand scale…which is what Chretien's Liberals left us as their legacy.

So yes, if the CPC is frantically funneling these fantastic funds to CPC ridings, they should face the music. I'm guessing though that all those on this board who are shocked, shocked I tell you, at the (alleged) shenanigans were Liberal voters both before and after Chretien's Shawinigate and Adscam peccadilloes came to light – and by "came to light" I mean "became known facts", not "were alleged by members of the Opposition".

(1) Yes he's corrupt, but they're all corrupt!
(2) A smart slippery PM is exactly what this country needs. Naive twits like the Opposition could never govern effectively.
(3) Better to elect the devil you know than gamble on the one you don't!
(4) Yes he'll misuse taxpayer money and bribe his friends, but at least nothing will get done federally and that's a good thing!
(5) We don't care, we like him.
(6) Doesn't matter what he's like, we vote Conservative 'cause it's Canada's Natural Governing Party.
(7) Who cares about corruption. He looks Prime Ministerial. Have you seen those backwoods dweebs in the Opposition?
(8) Peter Mansbridge likes him, and news anchors know everything so he must be ok.

Let me also remind everyone that what we have here so far are (a) some disturbing allegations from the Liberals, (b) a lack of openness from the Conservatives to clear things up, and (c) an idiotic statement by Baird. That is a far cry, as yet, from proven misuse of public money on a grand scale…which is what Chretien's Liberals left us as their legacy.

So yes, if the CPC is funneling these funds to CPC ridings, they should face the music. I'm guessing though that all those on this board who are shocked, shocked I tell you, at the (alleged) shenanigans were Liberal voters both before and after Chretien's Shawinigate and Adscam peccadilloes came to light – and by "came to light" I mean "became known facts", not "were alleged by members of the Opposition".

(1) Yes he's corrupt, but they're all corrupt!
(2) A smart slippery PM is exactly what this country needs. Naive twits like the Opposition could never govern effectively.
(3) Better to elect the devil you know than gamble on the one you don't!
(4) Yes he'll misuse taxpayer money and bribe his friends, but at least nothing will get done federally and that's a good thing!
(5) We don't care, we like him.
(6) Doesn't matter what he's like, we vote Conservative 'cause it's Canada's Natural Governing Party.
(7) Who cares about corruption. He looks Prime Ministerial. Have you seen those backwoods dweebs in the Opposition?
(8) Peter Mansbridge likes him, and news anchors know everything so he must be ok.

Let me also remind everyone that what we have here so far are (a) some disturbing allegations from the Liberals, (b) a lack of openness from the Conservatives to clear things up, and (c) an idiotic statement by Baird. That is a far cry, as yet, from proven misuse of public money on a grand scale…which is what Chretien left us as his legacy.

So yes, if the CPC is funneling these funds to CPC ridings, they should face the music. I'm guessing though that all those on this board who are shocked, shocked I tell you, at the (alleged) shenanigans were Liberal voters both before and after Chretien's Shawinigate and Adscam peccadilloes came to light – and by "came to light" I mean "became known facts", not "were alleged by members of the Opposition".

(1) Yes he's corrupt, but they're all corrupt!
(2) A smart slippery PM is exactly what this country needs. Naive twits like the Opposition could never govern effectively.
(3) Better to elect the devil you know than gamble on the one you don't!
(4) Yes he'll misuse taxpayer money and bribe his friends, but at least nothing will get done federally and that's a good thing!
(5) We don't care, we like him.
(6) Doesn't matter what he's like, we vote Conservative 'cause it's Canada's Natural Governing Party.
(7) Who cares about corruption. He looks Prime Ministerial. Have you seen those backwoods dweebs in the Opposition?
(8) Peter Mansbridge likes him, and news anchors know everything so he must be ok.

Let me also remind everyone that what we have here so far are (a) some disturbing allegations from the Liberals, (b) a lack of openness from the Conservatives to clear things up, and (c) an idiotic statement by Baird. That is a far cry, as yet, from proven misuse of public money on a grand scale…which is what Chretien left us as his legacy.

So yes, if the CPC is funneling these funds to CPC ridings, they should face the music. I'm guessing though that all those on this board who are shocked, shocked I tell you, at the (alleged) shenanigans were Liberal voters both before and after Chretien's Shawinigate and Adscam peccadilloes came to light – and by "came to light" I mean "became known facts", not "were alleged by members of the Opposition".

Yeah, right. A $1,000 contribution (annual max, might be 1,100) is going to lead to a new bridge or highway? What planet are you living on?

And to any Liberal MPs, or potential Liberal MPs, please know we will not think kindly if you do it too, years later. "The Conservatives did it first" will not, repeat will not, be an acceptable excuse.

I have absolutely no problem with an MP having a photo-op where he hands over a large novelty cheque for the cameras. He is seen to support his constituents. But I do think the large novelty cheque needs to be a rough representation of the actual cheque to both make any sense and avoid misunderstandings. Yes, you can make the case that you've got to be stupid not to understand what is going on, but if we were that bright would we keep falling for politicians' lies?

On the contrary the pupil is fast becoming the master. And all you can do is you can manage is:' just because we said we were better, doesn't mean you actually expected us to try and be better did you'? As for not believing what comes out of the mouths of politicians, i'd lay odds you didn't think that way when Saint Steve was threatening to burn the place down and drive the money changers out of the temple.

In fact I recall the Liberal platform in 1993 where Chretien talked about bringing honest, accountable government etc. etc. What did we get a tightly controlled government with boondoggle after boondoggle and outright theft of taxpayer money.

The Conservatives don't have to take any lessons from the Liberal party of Canada. The Libs are the masters of deception and deceit.

In fact I recall the Liberal platform in 1993 where Chretien talked about bringing honest, accountable government etc. etc. What did we get a tightly controlled government with boondoggle after boondoggle and outright theft of taxpayer money.

The Conservatives don't have to take any lessons from the Liberal party of Canada. They are the masters of deception and deceit.

They have already lost much of their credibility with the public and this kind of silliness will only reinforce that image. Lets not forget all the stimulus funding is decided jointly by the three levels of government and it is they who manage the projects not the federal government. I recall the Libs complaining about the process at the time but the fact remains it was an effort to minimize mismanagement etc.