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by Aaron Wherry on Friday, October 23, 2009 1:44am - 73 Comments

The CBC offers its analysis of stimulative spending.

According to the analysis of the Infrastructure Stimulus Fund, Conservative ridings have received about 60 per cent of the funding, compared with 40 per cent for opposition ridings. For example, the Saskatchewan riding of Liberal House Leader Ralph Goodale, who has been a vocal critic of the stimulus spending, has received about $4.8 million. But the Conservative riding next door received about $6.5 million. Crunching the numbers in a sample of other ridings across the country shows a similar pattern.

Meanwhile, McGregor & Maher look at what money from a specific fund for struggling communities went to what projects in the Industry Minister’s riding.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack_Mitchell

    You're probably right. There is just so much spite involved in this stimulus thing — "You want us to spend money? Got the dagger at our throats, eh? Well, just watch us spend this sucker, baby!" — that I'm impressed they spent anything on Opposition ridings (or at least ones with big Opposition margins).

  • http://accidentaldeliberations.blogspot.com The Jurist

    re: the "what projects were turned down?" question, see Contrarian's analysis of paving projects in Nova Scotia – and feel free to explain why 83% of submitted projects would be approved in Con-held ridings (and 88% in the riding the Cons hope to take in a by-election) while only 22% would be in Lib-held ridings.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ricard_S_Argent Ricard_S_Argent

    My word, you Harper apologists are all over the place on this one!

    "Nothing to see here, move along!"
    "What's the big deal anyway? That's just politics baby!"
    "It's the media's fault! The big bad media! They hate us! Waaaaah!"
    "Liberals did it too!"

    Which one is it? Frankly I've come to expect better message discipline from you guys (perhaps we need to go back and carefully reread our talking points, regroup and come back more focused? Hmm?)

    Sincerely,
    Disappointed.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Blamo Blamo

    The stimulus money can't be allocated at the drop of the hat. Legitimate projects have to be in the works, specific requriements have to be met, guidelines followed, meaning that the number of projects that rely on ministerial discretion are is limited. My guess, however, is that the Cons are pushing for 90-10 for those discretionary projects, resulting in a 60-40 split overall.

  • jarrid

    "Liberals did it too!"

    … and would do it again if they had the chance.

    I'll start worrying when instead of investing funds in Canada and Canadians, the party in power starts diverting and misappropriating money to their own party, ie. ADSCAM.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/TwoYen TwoYen

    This has a ring of truth to it.

  • jarrid

    Agreed. It all seems so high schoolish to me.

    The Liberals seem to be regressing in more ways than one.

  • Ted

    There hasn't been a study yet that shows even handedness.

    In fact, Baird and Harper admitted that Tory ridings are getting more. Baird quoted Chretien to justify and Harper blamed Liberal MPs for not working hard enough.

    So the fact that Tory ridings are getting more pork in every category is settled.

  • Ted

    As noted elsewhere, you conservative folks need to get your story straight on all this graft.

    We have Tony Clement saying all the money is being distributed equally and Tory ridings are not being favoured.

    We have John Baird quoting Jean Chretien as justification for favouring Tory ridings.

    We have some in the blogosphere trying to say there reasons for the favouratism, i.e. differing needs of differing ridings.

    And then you have the Prime Minister admitting that the money is not spread evenly but justifying it not by the needs of the ridings but by simpley and arrogantly saying Tory MPs worked harder than Liberal MPs to get that pork into their ridings.

    I think if the Prime Minister and Baird are admitting that the money is not spread evenly, you can stop trying to convince the world that favouratism isn't happening and start trying to unapologetically excuse Harper's most massive broken promise so far just as the PM does.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/TwoYen TwoYen

    Not only is the above analysis by HTH accurate, it has essentially been confrmed by Dalton McGuinty's Deputy Premier.

    Sure, Gerrard Kennedy's whining might help reinforce support from Liberal partisans, but the Tories will never win the hard core Liberal vote anyway. This is the problem with Liberal strategy. It's aimed at Liberal voters. That may help Liberal GOTV efforts in downtown Toronto, but won't win many converts.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Scott_Tribe Scott_Tribe

    Smitherman and the Municipalities are not going to say anything to get them in hot water with this overly partisan bunch that might get the tap shut off for funding… they're just trying to cover their tracks.

    They are entitled to their opinions.. but the facts (and more importantly the numbers) speak for themselves; doling out of the stimulus funds is predicated by partisan/porkbarrel considerations and also what helps the Cons get re-elected.. not on the good for the overall country.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/TwoYen TwoYen

    Wherry is competing with Susan Delacourt to be first in line for a Senate seat when the Liberals return to power in 2024.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

    As to cooperating with anybody, I presume you are being almost barbarically sarcastic.

    Heh… I'll try to be more civilized with my sarcasm, but your instincts are probably right. The Liberals can't have it both ways – either the Tories are ham-fisted clods with all the subtlety of a herd of elephants, or they are cunning manipulators who managed to slip their alleged patronage stealthily past the watchful eyes of the municipalities and provinces.

  • Ken

    I miss the fiscal conservative Stephen harper who used to say things like this back in 1997…
    "I think the public is more sophisticated now. I don't think they believe that just throwing money at make- work projects or make-work jobs is going to create an overall rise in the employment level. Governments of all stripes are following very different policies precisely because the public isn't that gullible any more."

    I know that he wasn't eveybody cup of tea back then, but he was my cup of tea. Now he might as well be a card carrying member of the NDP when it comes to fiscal matters and a Liberal when it comes to social matters.

  • Dakota

    Speaking of interesting numbers from the CBC, here's this weeks poll.

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/10/21/ekos-po…

  • Dakota

    Same as it ever was.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/john_g2708 john_g2708

    but the facts (and more importantly the numbers) speak for themselves

    Indeed they do. For RinC in Ontario, the subject of the Globe's hit piece, for Toronto there were 130 applications for RinC funding. 118 were approved, over 90%.

    Perhaps you could point out where the partisan bias or pork barrelling was when not a single one of these ridings are held by a Conservative.

  • Dakota

    What is new about this? This same thing has been going on forever, it's how it works. When your MP is in cabinet you are probably going to see more influence when it come to federal spending. WOW! SHOCKER! Someone cal the Toronto Red Star!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack_Mitchell

    Definitely a one-two "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" thing. "Mr. Speaker, I ask the Minister this: is he too incompetent to allocate the monies fairly, or is he completely unethical?" I agree with Danby below that these are both paradigmatic critiques of any government and might register with the big public for that reason; seems to me Blamo, above, has probably hit the nail on the head, though to my mind the really big problem is not misallocation of funds but the whole idea of shoveling money out a truck. I don't know who's more to blame for that being the flavour du jour, the parties that insisted on it or the party that embraced it with open arms. It reminds me of the reconstruction of Iraq.

    Sorry about the "barbaric sarcasm" line, btw, I just couldn't resist the idea that barbarians (not that you are one) would be more sarcastic than civilised people.

  • anonymoose

    Now, without discussing whether or not the extra stimulus fund was necessary on top of the building canada infrastructure fund, this though came into my head. So, If I was the trying to win seats that I needed for a majority, would I not pump huge amounts of money into seats I did not hold, instead of ones I did? I would think that there would be a 60-40 spit that way if one was really trying to buy votes. sorry folks, just don't see it happening this way

  • http://theplaceofbiff.blogspot.com biff

    Ted,

    I believe that you believe this is "the most massive broken promise!!!" Just as I believed all those partisans believed every other over-hyped faux scandal as being truly scandalous. It comes with the partisan territory.

    Just like in "cartoon bird gate", "wafer gate", "wearing too soft looking a sweater gate", "bad black humour gate", "giant ceremonial check gate",

    the efforts to elevate, hype, expand every shortcoming, slip , what-have-you, into something that will seriously damage the CPC,

    is partisan, not populast.

    The public wasn't outraged: a small number of liberal supporters and their friends in the media were outraged, and tried to make the public outraged in story after story. Not saying the CPC is perfect. But the attempt to portray them as political monsters is well past the expiry date.

  • tobyornottoby

    Headlines about Conservative held ridings getting more spending are like advertising for the Conservative Party because their brand appeals to self-interest I don't mean that pejoratively, just that their platform tends to be individual-focused vs. community-focussed, for example with childcare tax benefit s to parents rather than funding to create daycare spaces. I would suspect that even while they deny favourtism is happening, many Conservative MPs and candidates enjoy the accusation.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ricard_S_Argent Ricard_S_Argent

    Wow! A 4 pt swing in favour of the Liberals!

    You're right! That IS interesting!!

  • Dakota

    Yup, they are realy flying now, better switch gears again and start threatening an election! Wait…maybe springtime will look better, or maybe next summer, or the fall, or maybe 2012 will be better….how old is Ignatieff again?

  • Michael

    "Don't feel particularly bad for the unemployed…" ~ Stephen Harper.

    Yep, he cares. Deeply.

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