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David Akin, bane of Canadian Liberalism

by Paul Wells on Monday, October 26, 2009 8:38am - 56 Comments

The Canwest reporter (ah-ha!) finds one federal infrastructure program that disproportionately benefits NDP and Liberal ridings and writes up a poll that extends a few familiar trendlines. It gets worse: the other night at a prominent Ottawa restaurant, I saw David sitting with Conservatives! This proves everything you always suspected about him. Or me. Or something.

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  • jarrid

    That's very sensitve of you Paul not to put up the actual poll numbers on your post. Some of these numbers are becoming almost too much to bear for many Liberals. Hopefully your small gesture will get you off the hook from the wrath currently being hurled by the Libs at the media.

    A line from the Akin's story did catch my attention:

    "Mr. Dion received 26.3% of the popular vote last fall as his party lost to Stephen Harper's Conservatives. The Liberals had not done that poorly at a general election since the country's very first general election in 1867."

    I'd forgotten that little historical tidbit. I'll also refrain from posting the numbers out of deference to Liberal sensitivites but the curious might want to read Akin's article entitled:

    "Ignatieff would take Liberals to worse election showing than Dion: poll".

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/moonvest moonvest

      'I'd forgotten that little historical tidbit."

      Is that why you're such a CPC superfan? If you can't remember things that happened barely a year ago, you don't have be a stickler for consistency or accountability.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

      Except it is not fair to compare actual voter share with a later poll result. The poll's undecideds have to go somewhere on election day, and it is possible that the undecideds will shake down to Stay-Home, Liberals, and Not-Liberals in such a way that an election result may boost the actual Liberal results.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/M_A_N M_A_N

    Wow, does that mean we all get to look at the numbers now? You know, the list?

  • William

    It would not surprise me one bit if the Conservative Akin was sitting with was none other than Mr. Wells. And I`m not sure why a certain attractive short-haired blonde lady would return from the mother ship to be in such company.

    Wells must still be spinning from the lashing Pearson handed out earlier—–thankfully he had the decency not to drag our man Wherry into such a sordid group.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

    Well it proves Akin eats food…..

    • Style

      Paul made no such claim. All he'll say is Akin sits where food is sold.

  • Anon Lib

    Oh look how happy PW has made Jarrid everyone. So cute.

  • shazam!

    Akin eats food?

  • Dakota

    15 point lead again…ouch. I bet it makes Liberals pine for the good old days of Dion. Oh to be at 28% again!

  • edeast

    This poll cheer-leading is weird.

  • Jim

    The fatal flaw in Akins reasoning, is that Conservative ridings are primarily in rural Canada, while Universities are primarily in Urban Canada where the Liberals and NDP have footholds.

    when you look at schools that find themselves in Conservative ridings, you will find that they get far more funding than a similar institution in an opposition riding.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

      well now that would be the logic around why the RinC program appeared to favour conservative ridings….but nobody wanted to listen to that one….except maybe George Smitherman.

      Anyway politics is politics and spin is the use of fact to support an opinion as opposed opinions being derived from facts.

      But Akin is clearly conservtive stooge from the planet "V"

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

        They eat food on V?

  • kcm

    "What is becoming clear, however, is the difficulty citizens, journalists, municipalities and others are having in learning how billions of dollars in federal infrastructure grants are being spent".

    Number crunching is such a bore. I'll settle for this – for now.

  • matt

    PW: Akin's big point that gets a little missed in the details of the campus/riding analysis is that, be it the whole of economic stimulus spending, or be it particular stimulus programs, the independent analysis of *every newpaper to do a study thus far* is based on incomplete data sets. There's a media ethics issue there, no?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

      Correct…..and stating that would be impartial buit hammering the government for lack of information would be bang on

      • matt

        You mean stating that *and* hammering the government for lack of information would be bang on? I agree.

  • Smith

    I don't understand what the Libs are hoping to do with this Infrastructure criticism. For me, they're just reinforcing why someone should vote conservative. If they think it makes the Tories look more partisan/unethical/etc. I'd suggest that Canadians think all politicians are that way. So whats the point?

    • dan in van

      You may be right… Canadians are becoming more and more like the 'me, i and mine' party that is suppose to lead and unite it. No more 'us and we'. Get your hands off my tax credit etc. The next chant led by the CONbots will be 'I'm not paying for it, you can!'

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/WDM WDM

    What's most interesting about the latest polls in my opinion is that the low NDP number is not giving the Liberals any traction at all. Usually, a low NDP number means the Conservatives are in trouble – but the NDP continues to poll below 15% and the Liberals aren't reaping any benefits of that at all. So, are these votes migrating from the NDP to the Conservatives? Or is the NDP vote collapsing in all directions – some Lib, some Green, some Tory – but not enough to stop the larger bleeding of Liberal votes to the Tories?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/TwoYen TwoYen

      I agree that NDP votes may be migrating to Conservatives, especially in BC and the West. At the same time, voters in ethnic communities may be shifting their votes from the Libs to Conservatives.

    • Orson Bean

      The really scary thing that those numbers could mean, if you're a Liberal supporter, is that voting Liberal is no longer the "default voting option" for vast swaths of Canadians the way it once was. Many commentators have talked about how that is a big part of Harper's Grand Plan, i.e., to make the Tories into a sort of consensus party, in effect to replace the Liberals in that respect. I've always been skeptical, but who knows . . .

  • Riley Hennessey

    The numbers are down for Libs. Period. So down, that nobody bats an eye when a poll shows 25%. Two years ago, there would be panic in the streets at that number, but now it is met with a shrug.

    What does that tell you?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

      What does that tell you?

      It tells me that Liberals no longer see themselves as "Canada's Natural Governing Party".

      • Orson Bean

        To see a perfect example of what's wrong with the LPC these days, go check out Warren Kinsella's website — he's got pictures of the newspaper headlines from the Liberals' crushing victory in 1993. Then he says something like "and we'll do it again." Kinsella — and a boatload of other Liberals — still haven't come to grips with the fact that, umm, the Tories and Reform kinda merged a while ago. Moreover, Kinsella and his ilk refuse to even acknowledge the fact that Chretien's 3 consecutive majorities were only made possible by Tory-Reform vote-splitting. 1993 was 16 years ago, a lot of things have changed since then, and too many LPC poohbahs are still in denial about those changes.

        • kcm

          I agree. The brutal truth is people are no longer interested in what the liberal's did for us yesterday. It's what are you going to do for us today and tomorrow. The past is past. Celebrate the good and get on with the future.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless

          I just can't get over how fantastic the Globe looked in 1993. Thousands of hours of expert consulting help has "improved" the paper beyond recognition since then.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/tigerinexil1428 tigerinexile

            I like their old headline typeset…

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/tigerinexil1428 tigerinexile

      That there isn't going to be an election anytime soon?

    • Orson Bean

      "Two years ago, there would be panic in the streets at that number, but now it is met with a shrug. "

      Yes, well it's met with a shrug because Ian Davey, David Smith, Warren Kinsella et al. are all confident that:

      1. This whole Tory government thing is just a bad dream, and we'll all wake up tomorrow and the Good Old Days of Liberal hegemony will be back.

      OR

      2. The Magic Bullet will appear any day now, i.e., the thing that will magically come along and make Canadians finally realize that the Tories are utterly evil and must be immediately turfed and replaced with Canada's Natural Governing Party. I think right now Kinsella et al. are convinced it's this stimulus spending thing — I mean, it's sorta like Adscam/Gomery, isn't it? Isn't it?

  • Style

    Just a friendly reminder for the "release the list" crowd, until Ignatieff demanded these quarterly reports, the government never reported on infrastructure programs this regularly. Why assume the list exists? Why assume the civil service should report spending by riding?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

      It shouldnt report by riding, a political designation that is irrelevant outside the HoC. It is normal administartion to report it by name/project number, description, location (more on this in a second) and status (i.e. pending, approved, interim funding, complete)

      On location….this is a real problem, because it cuts to how this was decided….is it by the address of where the project is taking place (how do you define a road improvement or subway) or by the municipality that initiated the project?

      Its harder than it looks, if only to decide what to put in the database. But one would think they would put the info in one place, whatever the info is…..it sort of is with their map, but I dont know if that covers it all.

      Then you have another question of how much money do you spend on reporting, a stimulus project all its own.

      • Style

        "But one would think they would put the info in one place, whatever the info is". A reasonable assumption, but take a look at the reporting our government ordinarily does (the Main Estimates, the Public Accounts etc.) and you'll see this is not how things are set up. It's not even clear which department would collect this information – didn't Kady point out that PCO is unhappy being the current collator?

        I might be wrong, but if all this information is in one place, it was in one place in the past and somebody should be able to pull up the previous database to prove it.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

          I am sure it is spread far and wide. I also agree that it takes effort to pull all of this together. I also agree that it being spread out might serve a political purpose, or not….who knows. The inertia of the info being everywhere but in one repository is the problem.

          Reporting is always the last thing to be put in place. The point was to get the money out the door not designing a wonderful way to examine it. They are going to have to spend the money to report it some time, whether now or when the aud general comes calling or slaps them. Being good civil servants I am sure they are working on it in anticipation of Ms Fraser

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

      Uh. Cause Harper said he had the list?

      • Style

        A secret list he won't share with anyone? Or the Economic Action Plan website?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

          http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/19/the-accountabi…

          "Last month in Oakville, when asked about the allegation — made by a Tory candidate — that one project was killed because the riding was Liberal, the prime minister said don’t worry: “We can give you a list of announcements made across the country.”

          So not just the Economic Action Plan, but what projects were killled as well.

          • Style

            "(PMO) directed me to the useless actionplan.gc.ca site". Which seems to confirm that Harper was referring to that when he "we can give you a list of announcements made across the country". Maher doesn't appear to know that the US recovery.gov site is populated with info from databases which do not exist in Canada. He also doesn't seem to release the recovery.gov website won't tell you federal spending by riding. From this, he concludes there is a conspiracy to hid information from the Canadian public.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

            Did you seriously stop reading there? Or are you just that bad at spinning your crap that you thought you could selectively quote the article I provided to you without being called on it? The rest of the sentence.. which you conveniently neglected to include, .. " and suggested I click on 6,000 individual links and draw up my own list."

            Which seems to confirm that Harper said there was a list and was simply telling a bald-faced lie.

          • Style

            Not sure what you think you're calling me on – those 6000 links being the Economic Action Plan website As previously said, the PM said "we have a list of announcements", his office said "that list is the Economic Action Plan website" and the journalist threw a hissy fit.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Nich Nich

    With recent poll numbers, we can anticipate this blip being corrected shortly.

  • Foreigner

    This proves everything you always suspected about him. Or me.

    That "journalists" only wait until an issue gets some degree of traction in public discourse before they pursue it? Well, I didn't always suspect that…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/bazoo bazoo

    Mr Wells: know yourself by who you please.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

      So what does he know if he pleases himself?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/bazoo bazoo

        I'm finding myself at a loss for the ideal euphemism, but otherwise, yeah…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

    Who paid for the dinner?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless

      Satan.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

        Say what you like about Satan, he always picks up the cheque.

        • http://chuckercanuck.blogspot.com chuckercanuck

          But he's a vegan and always wastes my time asking the waitress about "gluten-free options"….. be-jeez, I says, I'd sell my soul a second time just to make you bloody well hurry up. Then he goes on and on about wheat allergies and looking puffier than Joan Rivers after visiting the plastic surgeon.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

          LOL, too true.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

        LOL – the lunch reminded me of when Obama and Bill Clinton had lunch and the US media were obsessing over who paid for lunch.

  • http://skinnydips.blogspot.com Skinny Dipper

    That's Senator Akin. Ask the Duff-man!

  • http://www.TennisVagabond.com Big Dave S

    Paul
    I'm curious if you've found this response amusing or depressing. On the plus side, its been educational. I hadn't realized you and Akin were the Limbaugh and Beck of the North. You can be the fat one.

  • http://www.tennisvagabond.com BigDaveS

    Err, not meant in any way as a commentary on your own surely impressive physique.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless

      No worries, BigDaveS. The comment boards here are such a constant tribute to Orwell's definition of nationalism that nothing surprises me any more.

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