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Peter Donolo and the Curse of the Mummy's Hand

by Paul Wells on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:34am - 171 Comments

It is always interesting (well, to geeks anyway) to see how a prime minister’s communications director decorates his office. They spend so much time shaping someone else’s identity that it’s instructive to see how they express their own. Kory Teneycke had three laminated political posters — a vintage Reagan Morning In America; a PM for PM poster from Preston Manning’s unsuccessful run for leader of the Canadian Alliance; and a Libranos parody poster (Chrétien and Gagliano photoshopped into a Sopranos family shot) from the Ezra days of the Western Standard — along with a World War II morale poster with the slogan, Attack on Every Front! Francie Ducros had only a huge map of riding-by-riding results from the 1995 Quebec secession referendum. Peter Donolo, famously, decorated his office with huge posters from classic Hollywood movies. (Even older Ottawa veterans than I will be needed to remember what the movies were.)

I don’t know whether Donolo has seen The Mummy’s Hand, a jaunty little Universal horror flick from 1940, but I’m going to bet he did. I have been thinking a lot about that movie’s opening sequence lately, as I contemplate the mess the Liberal Party of Canada — not only Michael Ignatieff, but the whole organization — has gotten into. The Mummy’s Hand opens with a long vignette about erased memory. So, lately, has the Liberal Party.

As I’ve pointed out before in a column, Michael Ignatieff is the fourth Liberal leader since Jean Chrétien retired in 2003: that’s four in six years (if you count Bill Graham, and you should, because he was interim leader for about as long as Ignatieff has been leader). Before that, how long did the Liberals take to go through four leaders? Thirty-five years, from Trudeau to Chrétien (counting Herb Gray). And before that? Eighty-one years, from Wilfrid Laurier to Lester Pearson. So the rate of churn, if we can put it that way, at the top of the Liberal party has accelerated beyond anything in its history.

With that rate of change comes a loss of personal memory. Jean Chrétien had been a Member of Parliament for 23 years (and out for four) on the day he became Liberal leader. Paul Martin had been an MP for 15 years. Stéphane Dion for 13 years. Ignatieff for three years, kind of, depending how you count it.

With that loss of personal memory comes a loss of institutional memory. Each new Liberal leader has seen fit to substantially purge his predecessor’s office. Ignatieff’s people held most of Dion’s in perfect contempt. Dion’s replaced Graham’s, who had conceived their role as one of filling in and hadn’t prepared for the long haul. Graham’s filled the vacuum when Martin’s board gave up. Martin’s board purged Chrétien’s staff (precisely one person, Paul Corriveau, worked in a political role in both the Chrétien and Martin PMOs.UPDATE: I’m told this excellent point  is, unfortunately, not very close to being true. Sorry ’bout that.)

The Mummy’s Hand opens with an extended vignette set in Egypt 3000 years ago. The crown prince, Kharis, discovers the secret of eternal life, but he is found out by the emperor. For his impertinence Kharis is buried alive in a secret location. Then the slaves who buried him are murdered by other slaves so the secret will never get out. I do not believe the Universal Pictures scriptwriters were offering management advice, but the Liberal Party of Canada has spent six years faithfully adopting the method of the Hollywood Egyptian emperor.

Ignatieff is a rookie who has been advised by rookies as he tries to lead a party whose bywords have been chaos, constant upheaval, and a stubborn eagerness to prove to the Canadian people that they were wrong to vote against the Liberals in 2006. Ignatieff, like Dion, has preferred to re-offer policies from the late decadent phase of the Martin era (Kyoto, Kelowna, pink books, daycare, doubling the Canada Council budget), apparently hoping they will do better this year than they did in the last two elections.

Donolo is a popular glad-hander with the Chrétien crew’s keen understanding that hierarchy matters in an organization under pressure. The endless supply of bright twentysomethings who work for Ignatieff had better brace themselves: they are about to get jobs, with defined responsibilities. (A Chrétien-era staffer asked one of the bright twentysomethings what he does for Ignatieff. “I apply a political lens to everything,” he was told. “Ah,” the staffer recounted to me later, “so he means he does nothing.” That’s over now.)

Donolo’s arrival is no guarantee of a miracle. What matters most to a staffer’s success is the leader he works for. Paul Martin’s board, in the end, amplified Martin’s personality rather than correcting for it. Dion attempted a shakeup, bringing in Johanne Sénécal a year into his tenure, but she had no mandate to change the rest of his office and she could not change the way he thinks and behaves. The leader of the Liberal Party is still Michael Ignatieff, and the absurd gong show that surrounded the leaked-and-denied-but-true-yet-unready news of Donolo’s hiring was pure Ignatieff. But Donolo corrects, if only partially, for the constant failure of the last four Liberal leaders: he has seen a Liberal win, and he does not think the lessons from that time are beneath his contempt. He knows what victory looks like. That makes him the freshest possible face in a party that has become deeply dependent on forever re-enacting the habits and attitudes of losers.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/psiclone psiclone

    First order of business for Peter will be : attention everyone under 40 -> those long pointy shoes are HISTORY! have to go folks so sorry!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Douglass Douglass

      Oh honey, you are so wrong about pointy shoes.

      • MJ Patchouli

        But the pointy glasses can go, right Douglass? Cuz I think they make everyone look like slick business sharks…

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Douglass Douglass

          Lol! As long as you don't take away my pretty shoes I'm good!

  • Wascally Wabbit

    Great analysis and advice Mr. Wells.
    I just hope that the new team don't realize that today October 28th – is the anniversary of the 1929 meltdown.
    They might impusively wish a repeat it upon Mr. Harper – forgetting that – if it did happen and resulted in Mr. Harper's electoral demise – they would have to clean up the mess – much as President Obama is trying to do south of the border right now…no easy task!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

      It would be even more difficult trying to while imposing a national daycare program, another Kelowna, solve child poverty, double arts funding to the artsy fartsy crowd, introduce a cap and trade system and all of the other broken promises from every other recent Liberal regime.

      As for Obama and his doubling of the deficit within 10 years I would not be surprised to see his ass kicked out of office in 2012.

      However, continue to dream on.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/minaka minaka

      Obama's cleaning up a mess? That would be like cleaning up a spaniel's mess by having a Great Dane do his worst on top of it.

    • http://solopiano2.wordpress.com solo piano

      one of these days, it's all going to really meltdown financially. and harper is to blame.

  • Mulletaur

    Yup.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/bruce24 bruce24

    Again, this fiasco demostates that Ignatieff has a' tin ear'. Time after time he displays an appalling lack of judgment. In this instance, he apparently hangs Ian Davey out to dry, and stimulates speculation in the media about what is really happening. As I watced Tom Clark's program on CTV last night it necame clear that even his own senior colleagues were unclear about what was going on.I despair at the thought of Ignatieff becoming Prime Minister. He would make Joe Clark seem to be exceptional!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/TwoYen TwoYen

      Now, there's an idea. Maybe Joe Clark would be willing to join the OLO?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jenn_ Jenn_

      Joe Clark was exceptional.

      • DPT

        yes, exceptionally pathetic, bumbling and whiny topped off with exceptionally bad political instincts.

        • Susaan

          And Joe couldn´t count either.

      • http://coyne kc

        Don’t worry Jenn. Joe was/is a great guy. It’s why the presnt con party doesn’t want him around. He’s a “loser” in their parlance.

    • Arturolexo

      Iggo would make Bonzo the chimp seem to be exceptional!

  • Peter 1951

    And the media wonders why Prime Minister Harper doesn't like the press. I have been watching Mike Duff for years and now a faithful Tom Clark show watcher, and have seen Peter Donolo give what I thought was an unbias opinion, when in actual fact he was sending a helping hand the the Liberal party, Shame Shame Peter, remember what goes around comes around, but you most likely have already run a poll on that Ha Ha !!

    • tobyornottoby

      It's news to you that Peter Donolo was a Liberal?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dennis_F Dennis_F

        It probably would be to people who sat their and listened to a "pollster" whose supposed to be scientific and objective, right? To be fair, though, I thought that Donolo generally gave objective political analysis when commenting as a pundit. And the ability to be objective about things is something that I think Iggy's OLO sorely needs.

        Nevertheless, I think it should be noted that this seems to be yet another example of someone working in a supposedly unbiased and non-partisan political job jumping into the partisan sphere as, wait for it, a Liberal. We've seen journalists do it (yeah, I know, Mike Duffy), bureaucrats do it, and now a pollster. But, whenever someone even hints at the, dare I say it, liberal bias of these establishment folk, it's like telling one's wife that her butt is too big. You get sent out of the room with shouts and screams of denial flying right behind you.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/moonvest moonvest

          Funny, I know plenty of people who would argue the opposite: you can't argue against liberal bias without being shouted down and shut out. But I guess everyone disagrees with you except for all the people who agree with you, right?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dennis_F Dennis_F

            Oh really. So maybe you can name for me all those pollsters, bureaucrats, and journalists (Duffy already cited) who go from seemingly unbiased positions to the Conservative party. Thanks.

          • McC

            that's easy: Allan Gregg was a Tory Staffer, then a Pollster and a Pundit who continued to advise conservative parties.

          • McC

            but I was first, where are my steak knives?
            (if I wasn't entitled to my entitlements, they would have called them privileges, yo!)

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/YYZ YYZ

            Peter Kent.

            Pamela Walling.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/YYZ YYZ

            Mark Cameron (just left the PMO)

          • Ted

            Allan Cutler, former civil servant.

          • Ted

            Yeah, but but but… not counting all of the many pollsters, bureaucrats and journalists who go from unbiased positions to the Conservative Party, I bet you can't name any pollsters, bureaucrats and journalists who go from unbiased positions to the Conservative Party!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/moonvest moonvest

            Stop telling Dennis that his butt is too big, you guys.
            It's rude.

          • wilson
          • Ted

            Monte Solberg was a radio broadcaster before politics.

          • Ted

            It is quite funny though. The whine by conservatives that the media is so biased, that Hollywood is all so liberal, and yet you look at the Conservative Party and the Republican Party and that is where you find all of the actors/media personalities turned politician, especially actors like Fred Thompson, Sony Bono, Fred Gandy and that guy who played the Gipper in Knute Rockne, All American, whatever his name was. Dubya's press secretary was a former FoxNews anchor. Etc.

    • Dick Richards

      Sorry, I'm confused! You thought Mike Duffy was non-biased?

      • wilson

        CTV fixed that with Tom Clark, lol

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

      Both the Globe and CTV used Donolo for political commentary under the guise of what the latest polls were telling us. While he did crticize the Libs he was never short of real criticism about Harper and his government. I always suspected he was still a mouthpiece for the Liberal party and this has proven my point in spades. You can't trust what is being said by the pundits etc.

      What next…will we see Jane Taber join the Iffy communications team?

      • wilson

        She hasn't? I thought she and her side kick were on that volunteer group , like Kinsella, and the CBC

        • Ted

          Yes because Taber has been so very very friendly to Martin, Dion and Ignatieff, yup. Especially with her gossip column in the Globe, oh yes.

      • Ted

        No, hiring media personalities like Peter Kent, Mike Duffy, Pam Wallin, Tony Snow, etc. is a Republican/Conservative thing to do.

  • Riley Hennessey

    Great analysis! Will Donolo and Kinsella clash? I think Kinsella's got to go.

    • Justin

      I doubt they will clash. They worked together with Chretien.

      • Riley Hennessey

        Not everyone who worked together under Chretien got along. Regardless, my larger point is that if Donolo brings a sense of realism and focus on the long-game to the Leaders office, that whole concept will clash with Kinsellas "fire all canons/ sling the mud/ bring these guys down now" strategy.

        • MJ Patchouli

          It seems to me that Donolo has the paid job and title, and Warren is a volunteer. But I'm pretty sure these guys are buds, and it's not as though Warren's changed his spots or anything.

          • Riley Hennessey

            Frustrating to get a debate going here.. but I'm not just asking "do you think they will be buddies??" I am asking, "will their strategies and vision of communications direction clash?"

            I think they will, because Kinsella seems bent on immediate hijinx/pranks and concentrating on how evil Mr. harper is, ie the strategy that has bombed for the past two elections, while Donolo seems more level headed (not interested in how evil harper is) and prefers to concentrate on the "long game". Those two strategies contrast eachother.

          • Orson Bean

            I have to agree with Riley here on the strategic clash, and his characterization of Kinsella's M.O. these days. I think the average apolitical Canadian quit being "scared" by the Tories some time ago and does not view the Tories as the equivalent of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, the way Kinsella and Co. do. And I think Donolo, on his best days, is far more sober and realistic — more the mindset of a pollster, which is what the LPC desperately needs, i.e., a serious dose of pure realism.

          • Riley Hennessey

            Thank you Orson Bean for a good debate comment! I agree 100% that Donolo is a voice of sober thought and will be a huge benefit to Ignatieff because he is not a "yes man".

            If I was Harper today, i'd be nervous because Donolo is not going to walk in there are repeat the same tired mistakes of the past 4 years. He will be targeted, focused and set on long-term goals, not just daily news-clips.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/SamDavies SamDavies

            While Donolo might try a fresh approach, remember that it all depends on whether the current MP's are capable or willing to take on a different approach. It is well known in the animal kingdom that once there is the taste of blood, it's hard to shake off. He might have to take many of them out back like ol' Yeller, and do the humane thing! ;)

            Animal trainers do not work miracles overnight! But with the crack of the whip, and some lessons on obedience and loyalty, things might look better in the long run!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/TwoYen TwoYen

            I agree with Riley. That was the same point I made on another thread when I wondered if Warren K would get turfed from the sandbox. Sure, both are Liberals and may indeed be friends, but Warren's dinosour style has bombed and Donolo's polling results must know that.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/SamDavies SamDavies

          Keeping fingers crossed that Kinsella is either toned down, or given the boot!

          I would almost suspect that much of Iggy's blunders can be attributed to this "fire all canons" strategy that frankly, Canadians are getting sick of! I think the key to Iggy's success depends on his ability to distinguish himself as above and beyond mud slinging, which frankly fits the image people would like to associate with a professor. He should be a man of reason, not a warrior!

          I will admit, I do not know much about Kinsella, and really only became aware of him this last year. To learn more, I decided to subscribe to the RSS feed of his blog. At first, I followed along, but must admit that his one sided nature became pretty intolerable. Perhaps this is what the die-hard supporters need, but as a fence sitter – not my cup of tea.

          And I can tell you – I had a bad feeling right from the get go! Don't know how many of you use RSS feeds, but the way it works is you have some kind of software that acts as a headline aggravator. You click on the headline you like, and it opens the full posting. My bad feeling can be attributed to an internet faux pas – his headlines are typed entirely IN CAPITAL LETTERS!!! This immediately signifies arrogance, and makes me feel like he is yelling at me. Quite the turn off. Combine that with the angry aggressive nature of his posts – yuck!

          No doubt – guys like Kinsella serve a great function during war time, but the Liberals shouldn't be concerning themselves with this right now. They should be busy rebuilding and rearming – only fools and egotists take aggressive actions when they are not ready to fight. And like it or not – they really are not ready. They come across as desperate – an easy message for Harper to convey because it's kinda obvious!

          So – keeping fingers crossed that Donolo can straighten things out. It would make the battle so much more interesting.

          PS – Very much enjoyed the insight from this posting Wells….

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jenn_ Jenn_

            Riley, it's hard to start a debate when everyone is on the same side, and I particularly agree with SamDavies on this one. I doubt Kinsella will go away entirely, but as long as that voice is muted, it should be fine. Surely Donolo will point out that Iggy's polling numbers were highest when he was taking the high road, asking actual questions during QP, not getting down into the gutter with his Conservative colleagues. That's what we Liberals need to get back to, never mind elections–really, don't obsess on elections!–and say what we actually think as a party, instead of what would be a good soundbyte going into an election. If, in the course of doing that, it means an election is called, oh well. But the election should be the byproduct, not the main goods. Also, I think party discipline is going to have to be examined, even though I don't particularly relish people not able to say what they think. It is this "rumour" nonsense, it has got to stop.

        • wilson

          "fire all canons/ sling the mud/ bring these guys down now" strategy

          And Donolo was hired to … do exactly that, with better organization and communication.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

      Kinsella filled a vacumn, I suspect with a clear direction he will play his part. Either that or you will have trouble keeping the bile and acid from leaking from screen if went to his blog.

      Warroom supports strategy not the other way around. If there is a lack of startegy the War room will fill the void, if only to make itself feel better.

      It all comes down to Iggy, he has to reinforce Donolo's position and back him up once a decision is taken. No more strikes are allowed because you cant blame the staff one more time.
      I have said elsewhere Donolo is use to listening the voters rather than wishing they were something diferent than what they are. That attitude change alone is half the battle.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/SamDavies SamDavies

        Fair enough. A guided war-room could change entirely….

        I asked this previously – but no answer.

        Why did Donolo leave his position in 1999?

        • Guest

          Big pay raise as a lobbyist. He knew all the power players in the Chretien Regime and I suppose he got tired of being third banana behind Goldenberg and Pelletier.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/HarveyMushman HarveyMushman

      The real question is not whether Kinsella's "got to go."

      The real question is why did Ignatieff allow him "in" in the first place?

  • wilson

    Delacourt says MI tells John Manley that Davey is out, Manley tells everyone he knows,
    but no one tells Davey.

    And the pointy shoes are being blamed?
    Seems to me both MI and John Manley were to blame for the communications gong show.

    • wilson

      Oh, but wait!!!
      manley now says he had absolutely nothing to do with the Davey gong show.

    • MJ Patchouli

      Since the communications director and the chief of staff are common law partners, how could one be advised without the other? It is an embarrassing debacle for the, but political jobs are like that — you live and die by that political sword. I would hope people who take such jobs understand that.

      • wilson

        I would think that a once very trusted friend and ally, Ian Davey, could have expected MI to at the very least, tell him to his face that he was being replaced.
        That is just common decency and nothing to do with politics.
        Being notified he was fired on a political gossip show, is beyond cruel.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/psiclone psiclone

    I don't know about the choice of movies. I think Invasion of the Body Snatchers would offer more anologies that are approprite as the only way the LPT fortunes are going to rise, is if they start kidnapping people and putting them into tinly little liberal pods! I can see peter now stuffing some hapless young liberal into a pod exclaiming – 2 hours ought to do it – before the next news cycle -

  • anon

    Wells, Now that the Ignatieff is down to Stockwell Day numbers, Donolo needs to be Iggy’s John Reynolds.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/robert_mccl6309 Robert McClelland

      It was only four years ago that Harper was sitting at 25% support and Martin was at 39%.

      • Riley Hennessey

        That turn-around by Harper didn't just happen on its own…….

        • Riley Robertson

          And 3 months ago the Liberals were leading the Conservatives. This is the third time Harper has been at 40% in the polls. All that matters is the election Campaign. Dion was within a few points of Harper until the last week of the last campaign when Mike Duffy played the outtakes of an interview with Dion — clearly making fun of Dion's poor English and setting up for an appointment to the Senate. Paul Martin was pulling away from the Conservatives in '06 until the Christmas campaign recess when the NDP colluded with the RCPC — er RCMP — to publicize that the mounties were going to investigate Goodale's office over a leak that affected markets. It turned out to be baseless but in the shadow of the sponsorship scandal even a whiff of corruption was enough and Liberal support collapsed. Inter-election polls are not everything. Wait for the campaign. Some good campaigners are now about to move into the OLO. The guys from the Liberal glory days are not going to sit around and let a bunch of trolls run this country into the ground. I don't want my uncle Pete from Toad Suck Arkansas running this country and I don't want people who laugh and heckle an opposition question about H1N1 and pregnant women running this country anymore. It's got to the point where it's hard to tell the difference. That is literally a crying shame.

          • Riley Hennessey

            Riley, although I must commend your excellent first name… I also should point out your comment/rant echoes the exact same garbage that has gotten Liberals into trouble lo these many years.. mainly that it is other peoples fault they lost in 2006 and 2008.

            I refer you to Wells' post above… particularly the party where he says Liberals show a "stubborn eagerness to prove to the Canadian people that they were wrong to vote against the Liberals in 2006". His larger point, I think, is that until Liberals realize why they lost in 2006 and 2008, they will never be able to win in *next election*.

            If you view your opponents as no more than a "bunch of trolls", chances are you aren't taking them seriously, and aren't taking the voters who vote for them seriously either. bad move.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/psiclone psiclone

            well said and very accurately focused on the main point!

          • MJ Patchouli

            In the Battle of the Riley's — I'm on your side. Go non-con Riley!

          • http://www.invisiblehand.ca/ The Invisible Hand

            Paul Martin was pulling away from the Conservatives in '06 until the Christmas campaign recess when the NDP colluded…

            Wrong. The Conservatives were starting to catch up with the Liberals, even before the RCMP investigation was announced.

      • wilson

        MI does not have what it takes to unite the left.
        MI can't even win a leadership race,
        let alone win the leadership of a united LibDipper party….won't happen

  • kcm

    Does this mean the liberals are prepared to pay the price to win now? I've been of the view that they joined the boy scouts when they picked Dion. So far Ignatieff's done little to persuade me he wants to pay the price of admission to play adut games. The liberal party has/is paying a terrible price for losing the thread. For forgetting why and how winners win.

    • wilson

      'Does this mean the liberals are prepared to pay the price to win now?'

      As opposed to rebuilding the party?
      Of course!

      • kcm

        Part of the price will be rebuiding. The now was merely figurative, not meant to be…let's get right back in now.

    • http://solopiano2.wordpress.com solo piano

      ignatieff is the last decent politician left standing. who cares if he's an adult? the adult world of politics stinks.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

    This is getting rather silly here folks.

    Tory Corn Cob Bob's office decor sounds rather weird and frightening to me. Says volumes.

    • Kory Teneycke

      It is worse than you think. He left out my replica Roman Centurian helmet.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

    This is not directed at you Wells because you do better than most but the Donolo story highlights what msm is doing wrong, or at least one aspect. There was reporter after journo on tv last night talking about how people have been gossiping about trouble in OLO for months but political junkies who rely on msm for their information know nothing about it.

    Corderre was clue but msm did no follow up or expand on what Coderre was talking about. This is the kind of information us pol-junkies want but we get nothing but weeks of frivolous stories like wafer-eating, polls/election speculation … etc that focus on inanities. And then we get some interesting info after event has occurred – lots of anecdotes floating around today but I am curious to know why we were not hearing them previously.

    I agree that Libs lack institutional memory but there is good reason for that. The crew that participated in AdScam could not be kept around for obvious reasons so Martin had to bring in some new people to deal with public-perception problems. And Martin's crew were not very good and that leads to talent problem – bring in more new people or stick with the experienced but talentless.

    I was just looking up Donolo's bio on wiki and it appears that Donolo has experience running departments but has not been in overall charge of organization. Libs seem to like him but does he have good connections with party members? If I was appointing chief of staff, I would focus on experience and does person have significant connections with party members.

    • wilson

      'If I was appointing chief of staff, I would focus on experience and does person have significant connections with party members'

      consider who is the Lib leader,
      a guy with 3 1/2 years experience as an MP, paracuted into Canada, Parliament and Lib leader.
      never has won a leadership race, #2 pic from the B Team…..first Lib leader in Canadian history to never have held a ministerial position,
      Team MIs front bench is fellow Lib leadership losers, first time elected, floor crossers,..from Toronto

      • Orson Bean

        . . . which is another point: I think Donolo is a pretty skilled political operator with decent judgement. But among the LPC problems which have not been addressed here is the fact that the top/inner circle is still ridiculously concentrated among inhabitants of the 416 area code.

        • Mulletaur

          Would you like them better if they all came from Red Deer ?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

            "Would you like them better if they all came from Red Deer ?"

            No, but other Canadians might.

          • Mulletaur

            What, like Québécois ?

          • Orson Bean

            Mulletaur, you're clearly a smart person, thoughtful and all, but IMO your reaction to this point is exactly indicative of what's wrong with the mindset of LPC supporters these days. It's pointed out to you the obvious fact that the LPC, in terms of seats and senior personnel, is over-concentrated in the 416 area code, and your first reaction is to take a veiled swipe at Alberta. Yeesh, think about the last LPC leadership convention, and count the leadership candidates who were from Toronto and Quebec, versus Somewhere Else. If you don't think that's indicative of a problem, then there's a river in Egypt named after you.

          • Mulletaur

            " … your first reaction is to take a veiled swipe at Alberta … "

            Nope, my first reaction was to point out how ridiculous it is to make the staffing a Iggy's office a geographical issue. By the way, what is the geographical distribution of the staff in Harper's PMO ? Or even the geographical distribution of Conservative MP's ? Because so many of them come from Alberta, does that mean they are automatically stupid ? Because that is exactly what this ridiculous discussion about geography implies.

            People are drawn to Toronto (as they are to every big city) by opportunity. That makes it much more likely to find the best and brightest in a big city like Toronto. Toronto also happens to be the provincial capital of Ontario, another reason for political operators to be based there. I am getting sick and tired of this Toronto hate. Just because Coderre bitterly says so doesn't make it true.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

            Actually, it has been a long-running anecdote that Harper went beyond the roots of the Canadian Alliance and ended up staffing the cabinet with so many people that were not from Alberta. Hello Clement, Flaherty, Cannon, Mackay, Baird. Not only that, it has been clear from the outset that Harper has been trying, sometimes without success, to recruit members from areas where they had weak representation (hello Fortier and Bernier).

            Whether you like Toronto or not, I think it's safe to assume the issues in Toronto are not the same issues in Nunavut, Newfoundland and Nanaimo. So it helps to have good representation from elsewhere.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/YYZ YYZ

            DUDE, EVERY CABINET HAS PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

          • Mulletaur

            Cabinet, yes. We are talking about staff.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

            Thanks dude. Whatever.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

    Excellent points.

    The unspoken assumption, however, is that the Liberal political landscape is still fundamentally the same as it was in Chretien's heyday: otherwise Donolo's experience of what works and what doesn't is no longer applicable.

    That's a big assumption for two reasons:
    (1) The sponsorship scandal has inflicted longstanding damage on the Liberal brand. Donolo is used to the Liberal brand being an asset, not a liability.
    (2) The Liberals are no longer viewed as Canada's Natural Governing Party. In Chretien's day they merely had to avoid being too horrific and they'd win. Now the opposition is no longer divided and the Liberals are not the inevitable rulers.

    It is a markedly different landscape, perhaps fundamentally different. Bringing Donolo in at this juncture may be the equivalent of putting an Army general in charge of a naval battle.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

      "It is a markedly different landscape, perhaps fundamentally different."

      Wherry linked to university paper on the weekend called Anatomy of a Liberal Defeat which focused on 2008 election. It confirms your point that Liberal political landscape is different now than 15 years ago.

      Two key points:

      1) "The visible minority vote dropped 14 points between 2000 and 2004. The main beneficiary was the NDP. The Liberals did not lose any further ground in 2006, but in 2008, they lost a massive 19 points.In fact, minority voters were almost as likely to vote Conservative in 2008 as they were to vote Liberal."

      2) "Catholic support has dropped a massive 24 points since 2000. In 2006, Catholics were as likely to vote Conservative as Liberal. In 2008, they clearly actually preferred the Conservatives to the Liberals."

      • Orson Bean

        . . . although you'd hope that Donolo, with his polling experience, might pick up on stuff like that (or be more receptive than some of the other tin ears in the inner circle).

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

          I have no doubt Donolo, and many other Libs, are aware of problem but question is can they do anything about it.

          Lots of woolly thinking on Libs part today. Donolo was on winning team in '93 ipso facto he will do it again. But circumstances have changed drastically: Libs can't rely on minorities or catholics and they face a united right.

      • Katherine

        That point ties into another one, and shows why the Liberals aren't likely to recover rapidly. I would guess that the changes in the minority and Catholic vote are due mainly to the end of the Reform Party and its social conservatism
        (social conservatism has been nonexistent since the Conservatives took office). It's something Harper did right, not something Liberals did wrong.

        The same goes for the related rise in Conservative support in Ontario – Liberals are unlikely to ever again have the complete dominance of the province that was responsible for Chretien's majorities. They are unlikely to be as strong in Quebec as they were pre-Bloc. They're doing well in the Maritimes, but that's not a large area. They need to be able to do much better in the West – their highest level in the recent past was 14 seats – because they don't have areas of complete dominance in the centre/east to compensate for weakness there.

        And relating to the original post, that might suggest Donolo won't be all that useful. The political situation that allowed Chretien's victories – absence of significant competition in Ontario – no longer exists and, absent a Mulroney-scale conservative trainwreck, won't occur again.

        • TedTylerEzro

          I don't think that the social conservatism is hurting the Conservatives among the church-going Catholics, but ending strong support for social conservatism probably helped among ethnic Catholics. Ex-Catholics of course belong to the Liberals and always will.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

      I just tried to post this but disappeared. I will try again.

      Wherry linked to university paper on weekend that confirms Liberal political landscape is indeed different now than it was 15 years ago.

      Two key points from Anatomy of a Liberal Defeat:

      1) "The visible minority vote dropped 14 points between 2000 and 2004. The main beneficiary was the NDP. The Liberals did not lose any further ground in 2006, but in 2008, they lost a massive 19 points"

      2) "Catholic support has dropped a massive 24 points since 2000. In 2006, Catholics were as likely to vote Conservative as Liberal. In 2008, they clearly actually preferred the Conservatives to the Liberals."

    • Andre

      I'd say that that in Chretien's days Donolo was acting out of creativity and intelligence rather than experience. Being 20 years older now he may weigh in more on experience than he used to, but still…

      Also, judging by how Canada is not chastising Harper's "Liberal ways" and focusing more on his Conservative Opinions, I think we can assume that Canada does want to have a Liberal Government.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/hollinm hollinm

      Fully agree. I made much the same point in my comments.

      It has been 10 years and there is no longer a divided opposition where Donolo appeared to excel. Will he be as respected one year from today when things remain but the same?

      The fact is it is the leader that is the issue and they can continue to change advisers as much as they want.

  • Peter12

    I am wondering if Ignatieff thinks Donolo is just the guy to lead the attack on Conservatives about patronage appointments – not .

    Donolo served as Chrétien's director of communications from 1993 to 1999. Following that, he served for two years as Canadian Consul General to Milan and later was a vice president at Air Canada.

    What really got in my craw last night, ( as if to stick it in the eye of the Canadian taxpayer), was a picture in one of the media of Kinsella, Chretien and Donolo together – the natural reaction was back to the good old days of sponsorship. No accusation that Donolo directly participated in Sponsorship fraud but he obviously was part of Chretien's inner circle at the time and should have been be aware of the shenanigans going on – a man of principle would resign and not want to be anywhere near that mess.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/frenchie101 frenchie101

      A yes, lets bring Chretien into the mix, everything old is new again with this party.They keep bringing in the old gaurd, and its not working, not at all.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dennis_F Dennis_F

      Which raises another interesting question about hiring people like Donolo, and Kinsella. Is it in Iggy's interest to have people around him whose greatest personal loyalty almost certainly belongs to another former leader and prime minister?

      • Susaan

        Always a relief to Liberals is that 25 – 30% of voting Canadians no matter what happens, would vote for Pinocchio if he happened to be the Liberal Party leader. Oh yeah they did….

  • bob

    well now you libs know what it is like to be in the political wilderness like us "neocons"- I wear the label proudly- for so many years when we had to stomach chretien & company. not quite as pleasant as being in power is it? come on, take it like a man and suck it up!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/frenchie101 frenchie101

    He had to choose someone, after all a couple of people left the party, including the former chief of staff.So Peter steps in – Allan Gregg will like that,as pollsters go.It will make no difference at all, wait.

  • Anon Lib

    Now if they can just resurrect Jean Pelletier…

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

      The Choo Choo man……

  • Mickey

    The entire Liberal MO for about 4 years has been Harper doesn't deserve to be PM and we need to replace him yesterday.

    If this changes that, then they'll probably be fine (in the medium/long term – not now). If it doesn't, then they'll continue to struggle.

    The real question is whether Ignatieff understands this. I am doubtful.

  • Darrell

    In addition to having seen a Liberal victory, Donolo has also seen an effective opposition.

    • http://solopiano2.wordpress.com solo piano

      Donolo is a flash in the pan.

  • d. andy

    Quoth Wells: "Ignatieff, like Dion, has preferred to re-offer policies from the late decadent phase of the Martin era (Kyoto, Kelowna, pink books, daycare, doubling the Canada Council budget), apparently hoping they will do better this year than they did in the last two elections."

    I'll repectfully dispute this part of your analysis. First, promises related to Kyoto implementation (or whatever-comes-out-of-copenhagen-implementation) link to the original decision to sign on to Rio in 1992. Debate the merits or integrity of thosepromises, sure, but framing them as a relic from 2006 when Obama won an election in 2008 with a climate change policy that's more aggressive than our current government's is missing the point.

    Second, Iggy has spent the last year distancing himself from the 2 key strategic decisions of the Dion era – green shift and coalition – with the result that Iggy's now polling worse than Dion.

    The Liberals have problems, but I would suggest that an insistence on clinging stubbornly to their 2006 platform isn't one of them.

  • Foreigner

    I couldn't get past the descriptions of what people had in their fridges or whatever that was about.

    Gosh, I wish politics were as fun for the rest of us as they are for the pundits.

  • Casual Observer

    It ain't the party, it ain't the pointy shoes, it ain't the under 30 somethings……it's Iggy, people, Iggy. A handful of Liberal elitists thinks Iggy's just swell and that the rest of Canada will also bow down to his greatness. Unfortunately for them, but fortunately for Canada, the rest of the country doesnt like him, don't want him, and won't give him the job of PM. Back to the drawing board for the Libs, if they ever want to run things again, because there is no way Canadians will ever let Ignatieff have the job – never, no, not ever.

    • Anon Lib

      Were you stamping your feet as you typed this?

      And you may be giving Canadian voters too much credit. After all millions of them have voted for Stephen Harper and friends the last couple of elections and tons of people dislike him. Intensely.

    • d. andy

      Problem is, wasn't the problem…Dion? And the solution to the problem, not Dion? So is the solution to not Dion, Dion?

      Nah, I'm just bitter.

  • Orson Bean

    Bottom line on this, I think, is that if Peter Donolo can get the LPC to focus on stuff that average, apolitical Canadians actually care about, he and the LPC will be more successful. On the other hand, if he and the LPC continue to focus on things that only hard-core LPC supporters care about, then they're going nowhere. I though that this Smart Guy named Wells encapsulated the problem quite well in a recent column, when he quoted (I think) David Smith to the effect that "most Canadians intensely dislike Stephen Harper." Wells corrected the statement and pointed out that most people that David Smith hangs out with intensely dislike Stephen Harper. There's an important difference there, and most of the LPC poohbahs and advisors (cf. Kinsella in particular) currently seem oblivious to it.

    • Mulletaur

      I don't know whether Canadians "intensely dislike" Harper, I don't really think Canadians have strong enough feelings about anything or anyone to be that intense. One thing I do know, however, is that Canadians do not trust Stephen Harper. They have refused to give him a majority three times now. That is something to work with.

      • Orson Bean

        Personally, I think the Cons' inability to win a majority has a lot more to do with the BQ owning vast swaths of Quebec than anything else. Chretien was only able to get majorities with the BQ around because of Tory-Reform vote-splitting. People constantly forget that. I agree that there are lots of people that distrust Harper (mostly Liberal and Dipper supporters), but the level of dislike among average, apolitical Canadians is nowhere near what a lot of Liberal partisans inside the 416 area code (i.e., where most of them live) think it is. They really ought to get out more.

        • William

          Good point by CO above—-the problem is simple—it`s IGGY.
          OB is correct about how Chretien got his majorities, and the reference to David Smith is also solid. The constant hope that the public will hate PM Harper as much as faithful Libs do is really getting stale. Most Canadians see a PM who is a calm and competent leader, is good to his family, gets along with his co-workers and appears to be well liked and respected when he leaves the country—-even plays the piano and sings—what`s not to like ?

          Seriously, Harper may have his faults, but whoever is in charge of the Lib machine had better learn that this phony scandal a day routine is a flop—it may charge up the faithful but it is starting to pi$$ off the rest of us. Think of the past phony scandals—the wafer thing—all that effort and no story there—or the cheque thing—-that story lasted a week and a half. And now you have Ms. Bennett screaming about a flu strain—trying to pin peoples anxiety on a gov`t—–unbelievable.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/parnel parnel

            William, Harper is only popular right now because he has painted the libs in a corner. His stimulus handouts have proven very popular but once the bill comes in and it is coming very soon he will be painted in a much different colour. There are major issues starting to burn holes in the tory armour and the Libs need to exploit those holes while offering something of substance in return

          • Mulletaur

            Correct.

        • Mulletaur

          "I agree that there are lots of people that distrust Harper (mostly Liberal and Dipper supporters) …"

          You're going in circles, Bean. They don't trust Harper, therefore they don't vote for Harper, they vote for the Liberals or even the NDP. Or they stay home. Again, dislike has nothing to do with it. Leadership is about trust, or at least predictability. That is why Harper has not been able to achieve a majority. When he says that the longer he is Prime Minister, the longer he will be Prime Minister, or words to that effect, he recognizes this trust issue is at the core of his inability to achieve a majority. People simply don't trust Harper.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/parnel parnel

            mulletaur, people also seem to forget that harper nearly got his majority becasue Lib voters simply sat on their hands last election. they also forget that Harper also received fewer actual votes in that election. Had the 800,000 or so Lib voters actually voted we would be in a different situation now. I also truly believe that Harper's current higher numbers won't last through the fall. Most polls are still showing around 20% undecideds.

          • Mulletaur

            That's another good point, Parnel.

  • http://kathleenw@execulink.com gramps

    warren Kinsella is a bigmouth and belongs with the Cons…Paul Martin was ridiculed on talkshows by this idiot in his last try and he should be thrown out of the Liberal Party…he was the one pushing Easter with the doorknob flub last week…does anyone remember his CHICKEN….he is representing Liberals on CTV…..the opposition are using him for fodder…..he makes my eyes and ears sting.

  • Mulletaur

    Warren Kinsella must really make 'les Cons' anxious judging by the comments here. Funny that.

    • William

      I suspect that it is the clear-thinking Libs who have Kinsella anxiety.

      • Mulletaur

        Not at all.

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