Comments on: Notes on a non-crisis http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/ Canada's only national weekly current affairs magazine. Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:13:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: KRB http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-6/#comment-201680 KRB Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:33:30 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201680 Carolyn Bennett is an idiot, pure and simple, Hedy Fry is even worse ("why aren't we being vaccinated!!"), and Kristy Duncan has that "wild eyes" look that give me the creeps. They're perfectly following Wells rule of politics (forget which one): Whomever auditions for the role of opposition, will get it. Carolyn Bennett is an idiot, pure and simple, Hedy Fry is even worse ("why aren't we being vaccinated!!"), and Kristy Duncan has that "wild eyes" look that give me the creeps.

They're perfectly following Wells rule of politics (forget which one): Whomever auditions for the role of opposition, will get it.

]]> By: Mulletaur http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-201679 Mulletaur Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:38:22 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201679 Two questions : 1. What was the age distribution of those who died from seasonal flu for the figures you are quoting ? 2. What are the sources of the figures you are quoting ? (If possible, please provide links). Two questions :

1. What was the age distribution of those who died from seasonal flu for the figures you are quoting ?
2. What are the sources of the figures you are quoting ? (If possible, please provide links).

]]> By: Mulletaur http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-5/#comment-201678 Mulletaur Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:36:19 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201678 <i>"In the spring, the prevailing wisdom was that H1N1 seemed mild so let's make sure we've got seasonal ready to save more lives."</i> It is impossible to have any kind of a discussion with somebody who lies like you did in the above quotation from your post. But you don't want a real discussion, you just want to try to save Stevie's bacon on H1N1. Keep diggin'. "In the spring, the prevailing wisdom was that H1N1 seemed mild so let's make sure we've got seasonal ready to save more lives."

It is impossible to have any kind of a discussion with somebody who lies like you did in the above quotation from your post. But you don't want a real discussion, you just want to try to save Stevie's bacon on H1N1. Keep diggin'.

]]> By: madeyoulook http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-5/#comment-201677 madeyoulook Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:19:58 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201677 Buddy, feel free to read the whole paragraph, would you? At least the first one? You might actually discern that I was actually partially agreeing with you on the risk to the whole order. And there is NOTHING entertaining about this story. They did their best. The virus beat the vaccine for many, but not all. The vaccine made it in significant but not total quantities, and distribution is snagging (not surprisingly) anyways. People are dying. The Monday morning quarterbacks are now all braying about how H1N1 should have been produced instead before seasonal. Dudes, if the timing of H1N1 were earlier enough it WOULD HAVE BEEN one of the three components of the seasonal vaccine itself! In the spring, the prevailing wisdom was that H1N1 seemed mild so let's make sure we've got seasonal ready to save more lives. Then they changed their minds to try to cover H1N1 first, because the virus never really "went away" in the summer and folks worried about an earlier H1N1 season. But go ahead and yell "ConBot! ConBot!" all you like Mr. Nonshrill Nonpartisan. Because now I know you are out of useful things to say, and I am through with you. Your execrable hyperbole around here will stand on its own, um, merits, with no additional commentary on my part. Anytime you want to be fair and reasonable again, I will look forward to the conversation. Buddy, feel free to read the whole paragraph, would you? At least the first one? You might actually discern that I was actually partially agreeing with you on the risk to the whole order.

And there is NOTHING entertaining about this story. They did their best. The virus beat the vaccine for many, but not all. The vaccine made it in significant but not total quantities, and distribution is snagging (not surprisingly) anyways. People are dying. The Monday morning quarterbacks are now all braying about how H1N1 should have been produced instead before seasonal. Dudes, if the timing of H1N1 were earlier enough it WOULD HAVE BEEN one of the three components of the seasonal vaccine itself!

In the spring, the prevailing wisdom was that H1N1 seemed mild so let's make sure we've got seasonal ready to save more lives. Then they changed their minds to try to cover H1N1 first, because the virus never really "went away" in the summer and folks worried about an earlier H1N1 season.

But go ahead and yell "ConBot! ConBot!" all you like Mr. Nonshrill Nonpartisan. Because now I know you are out of useful things to say, and I am through with you. Your execrable hyperbole around here will stand on its own, um, merits, with no additional commentary on my part. Anytime you want to be fair and reasonable again, I will look forward to the conversation.

]]> By: Mulletaur http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-5/#comment-201676 Mulletaur Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:49:45 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201676 <i>"Two suppliers DOUBLES the chance that something bad might happen to the order ... "</i> ConBots twisting themselves into pretzels trying to justify the incompetence of the Harper Conservative government makes for good entertainment, but it doesn't change the fact of the incompetence of the Harper Conservative government on H1N1. "Two suppliers DOUBLES the chance that something bad might happen to the order … "

ConBots twisting themselves into pretzels trying to justify the incompetence of the Harper Conservative government makes for good entertainment, but it doesn't change the fact of the incompetence of the Harper Conservative government on H1N1.

]]> By: threenorns http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-201675 threenorns Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:15:48 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201675 seasonal flu is WAY deadlier - in the 2009 flu season, australia had 36,991 *confirmed* cases of H1N1 - over here, they don't differentiate any more, it's all automatically H1 now so numbers are skewed. of that near-37,000, 186 ppl died. in a typical flu season, they get 2500 - 3500 deaths from regular seasonal flu. add that the CDC expects rougly 30,000 severe to lethal adverse reactions to the shot and tha the FDA only requires it be effective 3 out of 10 times, and H1 is starting to look to me about as deadly as a north american mosquito bite with about the same rate of complication (iow, billions of mosquito bites per year and a handful of ppl come down with west nile). and *then* we find out that the medical industry has known since the 40s that mercury *is* a factor in many cases of autism (and the H1 shot has a full blast of the crud in it) and quite frankly, it'll be nordic skiing in hades before i let anyone near me or my daughter with that junk! the way ppl are ranting and panting, you'd think it was the Black Plague or Ebola all over again - utterly ridiculous. seasonal flu is WAY deadlier – in the 2009 flu season, australia had 36,991 *confirmed* cases of H1N1 – over here, they don't differentiate any more, it's all automatically H1 now so numbers are skewed. of that near-37,000, 186 ppl died. in a typical flu season, they get 2500 – 3500 deaths from regular seasonal flu. add that the CDC expects rougly 30,000 severe to lethal adverse reactions to the shot and tha the FDA only requires it be effective 3 out of 10 times, and H1 is starting to look to me about as deadly as a north american mosquito bite with about the same rate of complication (iow, billions of mosquito bites per year and a handful of ppl come down with west nile). and *then* we find out that the medical industry has known since the 40s that mercury *is* a factor in many cases of autism (and the H1 shot has a full blast of the crud in it) and quite frankly, it'll be nordic skiing in hades before i let anyone near me or my daughter with that junk!

the way ppl are ranting and panting, you'd think it was the Black Plague or Ebola all over again – utterly ridiculous.

]]> By: madeyoulook http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-5/#comment-201674 madeyoulook Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:01:07 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201674 Two suppliers DOUBLES the chance that something bad might happen to the order, but the bad would only happen to half of it. One supplier indeed puts all the eggs in one basket. Unless you want to pay for both suppliers to belt out 50 million doses each, just to be safe. So why stop there, why not three? four? All for the privilege of flooding the zone with product so much sooner that the provinces still can't handle anyways. So sorry, I remain unconvinced that the federal government has been so incompetent on this issue to merit your kids'-blood-on-their-hands hair-pulling. Especially if you actually care to look around the globe. Two suppliers DOUBLES the chance that something bad might happen to the order, but the bad would only happen to half of it. One supplier indeed puts all the eggs in one basket.

Unless you want to pay for both suppliers to belt out 50 million doses each, just to be safe. So why stop there, why not three? four?

All for the privilege of flooding the zone with product so much sooner that the provinces still can't handle anyways. So sorry, I remain unconvinced that the federal government has been so incompetent on this issue to merit your kids'-blood-on-their-hands hair-pulling. Especially if you actually care to look around the globe.

]]> By: KatieMate http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-6/#comment-201673 KatieMate Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:45:53 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201673 Further to others' comments about Australia's handling of the swine flu earlier this year: I am a Canadian living in Australia where we haven't heard a single word about H1N1 since our flu season back in May/ June. I know that the vaccine is available to me - only because I have been seeking out information from the NSW Immunization Department. I do plan on getting it because my family is returning home to Canada for Christmas. Where it gets confusing for me, is that the vaccine has not been approved for children under ten years old here. I am bringing two young children with me; but I'm told here not to worry as they are not considered to be within the 'high risk categories'. They maintain that those at highest risk are people with underlying conditions such as asthma, diabetes etc. in addition to young adults (otherwise healthy). It seems to me that governments and health authorities need to get their acts together and present consistant information to the public. I'm confused and wondering if I should be exposing my children or if I'm just being paranoid (after watching a few too many Youtube clips looking for information!). Further to others' comments about Australia's handling of the swine flu earlier this year:

I am a Canadian living in Australia where we haven't heard a single word about H1N1 since our flu season back in May/ June. I know that the vaccine is available to me – only because I have been seeking out information from the NSW Immunization Department. I do plan on getting it because my family is returning home to Canada for Christmas. Where it gets confusing for me, is that the vaccine has not been approved for children under ten years old here. I am bringing two young children with me; but I'm told here not to worry as they are not considered to be within the 'high risk categories'.
They maintain that those at highest risk are people with underlying conditions such as asthma, diabetes etc. in addition to young adults (otherwise healthy).
It seems to me that governments and health authorities need to get their acts together and present consistant information to the public. I'm confused and wondering if I should be exposing my children or if I'm just being paranoid (after watching a few too many Youtube clips looking for information!).

]]> By: Mulletaur http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-201671 Mulletaur Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:58:31 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201671 At least I can spell. At least I can spell.

]]> By: Mulletaur http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-5/#comment-201672 Mulletaur Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:58:08 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201672 You've lost the argument when all you can do is spew bile. You should admit that you're wrong and move on. Drawing further attention to the fact that Stephen Harper's Conservative government totally dropped the ball on H1N1 and they know it doesn't help your cause. You've lost the argument when all you can do is spew bile. You should admit that you're wrong and move on. Drawing further attention to the fact that Stephen Harper's Conservative government totally dropped the ball on H1N1 and they know it doesn't help your cause.

]]> By: Mulletaur http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-201670 Mulletaur Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:56:02 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201670 Fact : The Little Shop of Tories has totally run out of ammunition on this one, and is sending their ConBots out to try and change the channel. You've clearly lost the argument. Fact : The Little Shop of Tories has totally run out of ammunition on this one, and is sending their ConBots out to try and change the channel. You've clearly lost the argument.

]]> By: Mulletaur http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-5/#comment-201669 Mulletaur Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:54:19 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201669 You can read the <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/h1n1-swine-flu/canada-needs-two-vaccine-suppliers-ottawa-admits/article1353348/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Globe and Mail</a> as well as I can : <i>"Canada needs more than one vaccine manufacturer to deal with future flu pandemics and to avoid production delays that have affected the fight against the H1N1 virus, federal officials say. "There is no debate. We all feel that when the time will come to renegotiate, we will go to tenders on a two-part contract to ensure maximum flexibility," said a senior official who has been working directly on the file. While the Harper government has applauded GlaxoSmithKline Inc. for making more than 6 million doses so far at its facility in Ste-Foy, Que., a number of officials involved in the crisis said Canada deserves a second producer in the future. Had that been the case this time, one manufacturer could have worked on the production of vaccines with the adjuvant additive, while the other one could have produced non-adjuvanted vaccines for pregnant women. GSK was forced to make changes to its production line in mid-course, which caused delays in the delivery of vaccines to the provinces. The official said that a simple stroke of bad luck can endanger thousands of doses of vaccine, and that it's better to "be safe than sorry" when it comes to production matters."</i> You can read the Globe and Mail as well as I can :

"Canada needs more than one vaccine manufacturer to deal with future flu pandemics and to avoid production delays that have affected the fight against the H1N1 virus, federal officials say.

"There is no debate. We all feel that when the time will come to renegotiate, we will go to tenders on a two-part contract to ensure maximum flexibility," said a senior official who has been working directly on the file.

While the Harper government has applauded GlaxoSmithKline Inc. for making more than 6 million doses so far at its facility in Ste-Foy, Que., a number of officials involved in the crisis said Canada deserves a second producer in the future.

Had that been the case this time, one manufacturer could have worked on the production of vaccines with the adjuvant additive, while the other one could have produced non-adjuvanted vaccines for pregnant women.

GSK was forced to make changes to its production line in mid-course, which caused delays in the delivery of vaccines to the provinces.

The official said that a simple stroke of bad luck can endanger thousands of doses of vaccine, and that it's better to "be safe than sorry" when it comes to production matters."

]]> By: Mulletaur http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-6/#comment-201668 Mulletaur Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:43:28 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201668 ""I believe that if they had made the bold and courageous decision to follow the evidence, and abandon the seasonal flu vaccine, that we could have had our H1N1 vaccine about six weeks earlier," says Dr. Richard Schabas, Ontario's former chief medical officer of health. "The consequence of that is that we've got lots of seasonal flu vaccine, but no seasonal flu, and not enough H1N1 vaccine, and lots of H1N1," Schabas said. "It's backwards."." From a story in the Edmonton Journal today entitled "Canada should have abandoned seasonal flu shot to focus on H1N1: critics". Puts the lie to all the ConBots who are trying to defend the (non)-response of Stephen Harper's Conservative government to this health crisis, which is costing people their lives. ""I believe that if they had made the bold and courageous decision to follow the evidence, and abandon the seasonal flu vaccine, that we could have had our H1N1 vaccine about six weeks earlier," says Dr. Richard Schabas, Ontario's former chief medical officer of health.

"The consequence of that is that we've got lots of seasonal flu vaccine, but no seasonal flu, and not enough H1N1 vaccine, and lots of H1N1," Schabas said. "It's backwards."."

From a story in the Edmonton Journal today entitled "Canada should have abandoned seasonal flu shot to focus on H1N1: critics".

Puts the lie to all the ConBots who are trying to defend the (non)-response of Stephen Harper's Conservative government to this health crisis, which is costing people their lives.

]]> By: madeyoulook http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-3/#comment-201667 madeyoulook Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:39:13 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201667 The fact you impute some nonexistent "nefarious" accusation of mine in my accounting of a perfectly allowable declining of an autopsy says all I need to know about you. I would ask that you continue to use the double-A unregistered user name here, so that I may recognize your writing and offer it exactly the level of attention it deserves. Many thanks. The fact you impute some nonexistent "nefarious" accusation of mine in my accounting of a perfectly allowable declining of an autopsy says all I need to know about you. I would ask that you continue to use the double-A unregistered user name here, so that I may recognize your writing and offer it exactly the level of attention it deserves. Many thanks.

]]> By: KatieMate http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-201666 KatieMate Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:28:53 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201666 I'm Canadian living in Sydney. I can tell you that we are hearing *nothing* about the swine flu at the moment. During the flu season here there were a few news stories for a week or two, but since then; not a word. I know that the vaccine is available to us now, and am considering it because I am coming home to Canada for Christmas. My dilema with traveling into flu season is that I am bringing my two young children with me, and the vaccine has not been approved for children under ten here (as of last week, at least). The NSW Immunization Department told me that they only recommend the vaccine for those people that have asthma and diabetes etc. and they reckon that children aren't in one of the at risk categories. It's all very confusing! I'm Canadian living in Sydney. I can tell you that we are hearing *nothing* about the swine flu at the moment. During the flu season here there were a few news stories for a week or two, but since then; not a word.

I know that the vaccine is available to us now, and am considering it because I am coming home to Canada for Christmas. My dilema with traveling into flu season is that I am bringing my two young children with me, and the vaccine has not been approved for children under ten here (as of last week, at least).

The NSW Immunization Department told me that they only recommend the vaccine for those people that have asthma and diabetes etc. and they reckon that children aren't in one of the at risk categories.

It's all very confusing!

]]> By: Kaaren http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-3/#comment-201665 Kaaren Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:34:20 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201665 The fact you had to clarify your remarks twice says it all. The fact you had to clarify your remarks twice says it all.

]]> By: MAC http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-3/#comment-201664 MAC Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:59:48 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201664 I think the cover and subsequent story was addressing the on the fence attitude many Canadians had about the vaccine two weeks ago. So many people still were latching onto the idea that the shot was some evil pharma plan and of course every parent I know was out there looking at homeopathic options rather than expose kids to less mercury than a tuna sandwich and far less toxins than new carpet and flooring. Of course I am in a high-priority group (asthma) and STILL have been able to get my shot thanks to the crazy line ups in our area. We have only had 3 clinics and they stop giving the shot when they hit 1500 doses each day. I am a teacher (germ-ridden kids all around :>) and I get the flu shot each year with no side-effects and have been flu free since I started getting the shot 10 years ago. I think it works, I will get the H1N1 shot as soon as I can. In my humble opinion the news media (TV, MSN) are the big ones to blame. Maclean's has a whole week to check out their facts rather than the hour by hour Balloon Boy electronic media. I think the cover and subsequent story was addressing the on the fence attitude many Canadians had about the vaccine two weeks ago. So many people still were latching onto the idea that the shot was some evil pharma plan and of course every parent I know was out there looking at homeopathic options rather than expose kids to less mercury than a tuna sandwich and far less toxins than new carpet and flooring.
Of course I am in a high-priority group (asthma) and STILL have been able to get my shot thanks to the crazy line ups in our area. We have only had 3 clinics and they stop giving the shot when they hit 1500 doses each day. I am a teacher (germ-ridden kids all around :>) and I get the flu shot each year with no side-effects and have been flu free since I started getting the shot 10 years ago. I think it works, I will get the H1N1 shot as soon as I can.

In my humble opinion the news media (TV, MSN) are the big ones to blame. Maclean's has a whole week to check out their facts rather than the hour by hour Balloon Boy electronic media.

]]> By: RasAlhague http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-6/#comment-201663 RasAlhague Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:33:07 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201663 Canada will protect swine flu vaccine maker from lawsuits <a href="http://www.thestar.com/newsfeatures/swineflu/article/703355" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestar.com/newsfeatures/swineflu/arti...</a> Canada will protect swine flu vaccine maker from lawsuits

http://www.thestar.com/newsfeatures/swineflu/arti…

]]> By: Kim http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-6/#comment-201662 Kim Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:26:30 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201662 More people get killed in car crashes every year than will die from the flu. In the grand scheme of things a few dying every year is normal. Our society is far too hung up on every one living forever and their fear of death. It will happen to all of us, some just sooner than others. More people get killed in car crashes every year than will die from the flu. In the grand scheme of things a few dying every year is normal. Our society is far too hung up on every one living forever and their fear of death. It will happen to all of us, some just sooner than others.

]]> By: Pooeysk http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-201661 Pooeysk Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:15:00 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201661 Check the stats from Australia/New Zealand. This "choose any 2 items" dish of fact and logic you serve up just isn't the case. More people were admitted into ICU with seasonal flu than H1N1, and more people died of seasonal flu. And in case you're tempted to go for the "mutation" side-dish, that ain't available: the strain that we have is unchanged from its appearance in Mexico this March. Check the stats from Australia/New Zealand. This "choose any 2 items" dish of fact and logic you serve up just isn't the case. More people were admitted into ICU with seasonal flu than H1N1, and more people died of seasonal flu. And in case you're tempted to go for the "mutation" side-dish, that ain't available: the strain that we have is unchanged from its appearance in Mexico this March.

]]> By: RasAlhague http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-6/#comment-201660 RasAlhague Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:47:11 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201660 It is amazing how the media can simply drop in a little politics to preoccupy every sheep’s mind. So obsessed with liberal this, conservative that... no one questions the safety of the vaccine anymore. How can anyone think this stuff is safe to use? <a href="http://health.gsk.com/hcp/H1N1Vaccine/safety.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://health.gsk.com/hcp/H1N1Vaccine/safety.htm</a> It is amazing how the media can simply drop in a little politics to preoccupy every sheep’s mind. So obsessed with liberal this, conservative that… no one questions the safety of the vaccine anymore. How can anyone think this stuff is safe to use?

http://health.gsk.com/hcp/H1N1Vaccine/safety.htm

]]> By: Angry! http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-5/#comment-201659 Angry! Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:33:52 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201659 We, the people know it is not a Level 6 crisis. The pharmaceutical companies don't give a damn about the people. But, they stand to lose millions, even billions if they don't create some form of panic to scare the pubic into a pandemic. As long as they get their paycheck. I read that just before the h1n1 was even known to the public, the pharmaceutical company put a patent on this vaccine. Why is that? And why are they forcing it on the public? Are these not legitimate questions to be answered? How about our PM answer these. He won't because he doesn't know either. We, the people know it is not a Level 6 crisis. The pharmaceutical companies don't give a damn about the people. But, they stand to lose millions, even billions if they don't create some form of panic to scare the pubic into a pandemic. As long as they get their paycheck.
I read that just before the h1n1 was even known to the public, the pharmaceutical company put a patent on this vaccine. Why is that? And why are they forcing it on the public? Are these not legitimate questions to be answered? How about our PM answer these. He won't because he doesn't know either.

]]> By: madeyoulook http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-3/#comment-201658 madeyoulook Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:05:30 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201658 You are obviously reading stuff I didn't write, Kaaren. Where on earth do you see "nefarious," please? You are obviously reading stuff I didn't write, Kaaren. Where on earth do you see "nefarious," please?

]]> By: Oemissions http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-5/#comment-201657 Oemissions Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:33:06 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201657 The scare on H1N1 has been talked about for almost a year. Why does this always have to be a Con vs Lib thing? Does it promote democracy or bring attention to what needs to be fixed or solutions. Bob B reporting on the polio example is a very good contribution. Before the hockey boy First Nations were having this flu epidemic. Others had died too but a hockey player is a big deal, right? Shows where our priorities are. We still have NOT got the final coroner report on that hockey boy's real cause of death. The scare on H1N1 has been talked about for almost a year.
Why does this always have to be a Con vs Lib thing?
Does it promote democracy or bring attention to what needs to be fixed or solutions.
Bob B reporting on the polio example is a very good contribution.
Before the hockey boy First Nations were having this flu epidemic.
Others had died too but a hockey player is a big deal, right?
Shows where our priorities are.
We still have NOT got the final coroner report on that hockey boy's real cause of death.

]]> By: Kaaren http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-3/#comment-201656 Kaaren Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:27:50 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201656 That's not 'all' you said. You suggested that because there was no autopsy (and who knows if that is even true) that the cause of death wasn't known, and also, that Evan's parents may have 'refused' autopsy for some sort of nefarious reason. What you wrote sucks! I reported your comment but I see it's still here. Apparently, Macleans is fine to use that child in their writing without even mentioning his name, and see his family abused on the comment board, but they're not OK with me posting here.... hmmmm. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ycofkok" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ycofkok</a> That's not 'all' you said. You suggested that because there was no autopsy (and who knows if that is even true) that the cause of death wasn't known, and also, that Evan's parents may have 'refused' autopsy for some sort of nefarious reason. What you wrote sucks! I reported your comment but I see it's still here. Apparently, Macleans is fine to use that child in their writing without even mentioning his name, and see his family abused on the comment board, but they're not OK with me posting here…. hmmmm.
http://tinyurl.com/ycofkok

]]> By: Public Health Nurse http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-5/#comment-201655 Public Health Nurse Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:23:42 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201655 It's not easy to vaccinate so many people so quickly. We (public health nurses) found out yesterday that a new H1N1 clinic was planned for today, so we've been scrambling to do our best as quick as we can. It's not easy to vaccinate so many people so quickly. We (public health nurses) found out yesterday that a new H1N1 clinic was planned for today, so we've been scrambling to do our best as quick as we can.

]]> By: Mike http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-201654 Mike Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:57:57 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201654 Hum - how about anything that will direct attention away from "Count" Ignatieff and his plodding year as leader of the opposition? He makes Dion look photogenic and competent. Hum – how about anything that will direct attention away from "Count" Ignatieff and his plodding year as leader of the opposition? He makes Dion look photogenic and competent.

]]> By: maria jones http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-5/#comment-201653 maria jones Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:13:48 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201653 I am very grateful for Andrew Coyne's comments as always, clear, investigated, truthful and relevant also in this case re H1N1 But do you what is sad about this country that I emigrated to? The constant in house bickering.. never seeing the big picturre.. never working together in Unity..to protect Canada.. and in doing so help other nations --- Where have all the Idealists gone? should be the title for a new song.. surely Canadians can do better than this.. And if things get worse.. will everybody just start blaming each other.. or will they role up their sleeves and say...'instead of bickering and posting pointed comments, why dont I go out and volunteer.. my time.. at lets say the local hospital' because guess what folks... my dad went to a war that he didnt start so that I would be free today... Would be nice to see a more generous response to 'global problems' as they creep up on us rather than ... the constant bickering... I saw often see in these comments.. Mary I am very grateful for Andrew Coyne's comments as always, clear, investigated, truthful and relevant also in this case re H1N1

But do you what is sad about this country that I emigrated to? The constant in house bickering.. never seeing the big picturre.. never working together in Unity..to protect Canada.. and in doing so help other nations —
Where have all the Idealists gone? should be the title for a new song.. surely Canadians can do better than this..
And if things get worse.. will everybody just start blaming each other.. or will they role up their sleeves and say…'instead of bickering and posting pointed comments, why dont I go out and volunteer.. my time.. at lets say the local hospital' because guess what folks… my dad went to a war that he didnt start so that I would be free today…
Would be nice to see a more generous response to 'global problems' as they creep up on us rather than … the constant bickering… I saw often see in these comments..
Mary

]]> By: J campbell http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-5/#comment-201652 J campbell Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:10:08 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201652 One flu east One flu west One flu over the cuckoo's nest. One flu east
One flu west
One flu over the cuckoo's nest.

]]> By: CanadianSense http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-201651 CanadianSense Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:54:30 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201651 Mullethead poster with Zero creditibily. Schooled by at least 5 posters. Cheers Mullethead poster with Zero creditibily. Schooled by at least 5 posters. Cheers

]]> By: CanadianSense http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-5/#comment-201650 CanadianSense Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:53:06 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201650 You have ZERO credibility for your "extremist" ranting on this post. Cheers. You have ZERO credibility for your "extremist" ranting on this post. Cheers.

]]> By: Mulletaur http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-201649 Mulletaur Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:39:29 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201649 Wow, more insults and no points to make. You lost the argument. Crawl back under your rock, nematode. Wow, more insults and no points to make. You lost the argument. Crawl back under your rock, nematode.

]]> By: Mulletaur http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-5/#comment-201648 Mulletaur Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:37:04 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201648 All your bile doesn't change the fact that Stevie totally dropped the ball on this one. All your bile doesn't change the fact that Stevie totally dropped the ball on this one.

]]> By: Worried Mother http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-5/#comment-201647 Worried Mother Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:27:14 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201647 you say "task now should not be to point fingers, but to learn so we can all do a better job the next time" Didn't we say that after SARs. As a nation we should have been better prepared this time round. you say "task now should not be to point fingers, but to learn so we can all do a better job the next time" Didn't we say that after SARs. As a nation we should have been better prepared this time round.

]]> By: CanadianSense http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-5/#comment-201646 CanadianSense Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:47:00 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201646 Impressive mullethead pulls denying every Poll as a Liberal Proof. J.C. must be proud. At least 5 posters from all voting patterns have called you out for over the top crap on this post. You have been reduced as a talking and walking Liberal shill who is playing games with a serious issue. You have ended any credibility after ignoring any rational debate. Done! You are now exposed and finished for your imbecilic posts on H1N1. Be proud! Impressive mullethead pulls denying every Poll as a Liberal Proof. J.C. must be proud. At least 5 posters from all voting patterns have called you out for over the top crap on this post. You have been reduced as a talking and walking Liberal shill who is playing games with a serious issue. You have ended any credibility after ignoring any rational debate. Done!

You are now exposed and finished for your imbecilic posts on H1N1. Be proud!

]]> By: Mulletaur http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-201645 Mulletaur Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:38:38 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201645 Conservatives like you calling people who disagree with you 'morons' is why your boy Stevie will never get a majority. Nobody trusts your party. Conservatives like you calling people who disagree with you 'morons' is why your boy Stevie will never get a majority. Nobody trusts your party.

]]> By: hal http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-201644 hal Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:17:48 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201644 the b is nowhere near the p on the keyboard, i'm genuinely curious at how you came up with the spelling. the b is nowhere near the p on the keyboard, i'm genuinely curious at how you came up with the spelling.

]]> By: madeyoulook http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-5/#comment-201643 madeyoulook Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:48:36 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201643 Single supplier delivers ahead of schedule. More vaccine than we can actually handle this week, and more antigen than they can bottle, so antigen gets exported to help save lives elsewhere, too. Quelle scandale. Single supplier delivers ahead of schedule. More vaccine than we can actually handle this week, and more antigen than they can bottle, so antigen gets exported to help save lives elsewhere, too. Quelle scandale.

]]> By: Faith http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-201642 Faith Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:31:51 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201642 Excellent ,I watched her on cpac last night great describtion. Excellent ,I watched her on
cpac last night great describtion.

]]> By: madeyoulook http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-3/#comment-201641 madeyoulook Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:21:50 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201641 I am not saying he didn't die of it. I am reporting what some medical commenters have said, more than a little incredulous at the turn of events, because it does not fit with the usual course of events. Is all. I am not saying he didn't die of it. I am reporting what some medical commenters have said, more than a little incredulous at the turn of events, because it does not fit with the usual course of events. Is all.

]]> By: madeyoulook http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-5/#comment-201640 madeyoulook Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:12:57 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201640 Recommended by whom? Senior managers at public health? Or competitors to the sole source, which by the way has rolled out vaccine faster than anybody can use anyways? Referrals to documented evidence would be nice. Recommended by whom? Senior managers at public health? Or competitors to the sole source, which by the way has rolled out vaccine faster than anybody can use anyways? Referrals to documented evidence would be nice.

]]> By: Mulletaur http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-5/#comment-201639 Mulletaur Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:05:34 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201639 <i>"But please note that your punching bags in elected office took advice based on available evidence from their public health smart people."</i> No they didn't. They were recommended not to have a sole source of vaccine. They did not take that advice. Please stick to the facts. "But please note that your punching bags in elected office took advice based on available evidence from their public health smart people."

No they didn't. They were recommended not to have a sole source of vaccine. They did not take that advice. Please stick to the facts.

]]> By: Lloyd MacIlquham http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-4/#comment-201638 Lloyd MacIlquham Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:45:39 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201638 That's it, no rational argument as to why Harper might be right on this (and I mean in the moral sense). Oh, of course, I forgot that is not the Con's style of personal attack, insult, shirk responsibility, blame everyone and everything thing else for everything, obscure, obstruct, hide the truth. Compared to your other comments about Liberals this one is quite tame. The fact that you hide behind a fake name says it all - you don't even have the moral persuasion of conviction to stand up and be counted. On the other hand, reading your other comments one can easily see why you might be too embarrassed to do that. PS: It is nice to know that all I have to do to win in an election is listen to you - it might come in handy some day. Lloyd MacIlquham <a href="http://www.cicblog.com/comments.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">cicblog.com/comments.html</a> That's it, no rational argument as to why Harper might be right on this (and I mean in the moral sense). Oh, of course, I forgot that is not the Con's style of personal attack, insult, shirk responsibility, blame everyone and everything thing else for everything, obscure, obstruct, hide the truth.

Compared to your other comments about Liberals this one is quite tame.

The fact that you hide behind a fake name says it all – you don't even have the moral persuasion of conviction to stand up and be counted. On the other hand, reading your other comments one can easily see why you might be too embarrassed to do that.

PS: It is nice to know that all I have to do to win in an election is listen to you – it might come in handy some day.

Lloyd MacIlquham cicblog.com/comments.html

]]> By: CanadianSense http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-201637 CanadianSense Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:35:10 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201637 He could always join the Liberal MD Panel. I heard Hedy Fry wants her own special queue as well. He could always join the Liberal MD Panel. I heard Hedy Fry wants her own special queue as well.

]]> By: CanadianSense http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/comment-page-2/#comment-201636 CanadianSense Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:03:15 +0000 http://macleans.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/notes-on-a-non-crisis/#comment-201636 Anti AB Liberal, believes he knows more than medical experts, what a shocker! Anti AB Liberal, believes he knows more than medical experts, what a shocker!

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