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	<title>Comments on: &#039;That was totally useless. Thank you.&#039;</title>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202983</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[youtube S0i-yS4oItI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0i-yS4oItI youtube]

Here is the video of said exchange with Van Loan</description>
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<p>Here is the video of said exchange with Van Loan</p>
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		<title>By: kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean Van Loan and his talking point? I&#039;m sure that&#039;s exactly true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean Van Loan and his talking point? I&#039;m sure that&#039;s exactly true.</p>
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		<title>By: kathryn</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202981</link>
		<dc:creator>kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not agree more - they need to press for real answers and not accept the pre-canned scraps that are normally  tossed by Ministers.  They represent the people after all and we are entitled to some measure of accountability from government.

Perhaps I wasn&#039;t paying attention before but it seems to me this strategy for dealing with the media via talking points arose with the advent of the first Harper minority.  There was a change in policy that the ministers and the PM especially did not take questions at all for the most part and generally avoid all but the most tightly scripted appearances.

A perfect case in point, any interview with Pierre Poilievre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not agree more &#8211; they need to press for real answers and not accept the pre-canned scraps that are normally  tossed by Ministers.  They represent the people after all and we are entitled to some measure of accountability from government.</p>
<p>Perhaps I wasn&#039;t paying attention before but it seems to me this strategy for dealing with the media via talking points arose with the advent of the first Harper minority.  There was a change in policy that the ministers and the PM especially did not take questions at all for the most part and generally avoid all but the most tightly scripted appearances.</p>
<p>A perfect case in point, any interview with Pierre Poilievre.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202980</link>
		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is not Question Period.&quot;  Priceless!

Who was the reporter, Aaron?  He deserves a salute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;This is not Question Period.&quot;  Priceless!</p>
<p>Who was the reporter, Aaron?  He deserves a salute.</p>
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		<title>By: PeteTong</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202979</link>
		<dc:creator>PeteTong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You don&#039;t get to decide what&#039;s interesting&quot;.
That sounds like a fun job.  Do the tables ever get turned and the pols heckle you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;You don&#039;t get to decide what&#039;s interesting&quot;.<br />
That sounds like a fun job.  Do the tables ever get turned and the pols heckle you?</p>
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		<title>By: PeteTong</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202978</link>
		<dc:creator>PeteTong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone still read her?  Her schtick got old fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone still read her?  Her schtick got old fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202977</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It definitely sounds like he imagined that going differently in his head: &quot;Oh these reporters will love to hear about these stats after the vote... they&#039;ll lift me up on their shoulders... cheer my name for the entire length of the hall... this is going to be grand!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It definitely sounds like he imagined that going differently in his head: &quot;Oh these reporters will love to hear about these stats after the vote&#8230; they&#039;ll lift me up on their shoulders&#8230; cheer my name for the entire length of the hall&#8230; this is going to be grand!&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: PolJunkie</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202976</link>
		<dc:creator>PolJunkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a scrum so there were more than one reporter asking the questions. Buzzetti, however, looked like she was about to smack Vanloon on the head with her recorder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a scrum so there were more than one reporter asking the questions. Buzzetti, however, looked like she was about to smack Vanloon on the head with her recorder.</p>
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		<title>By: PolJunkie</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202975</link>
		<dc:creator>PolJunkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It usually works.  In fact, the Tories have that one down to an art form.  Frankly, I&#039;m pleasently surprised by the reporters&#039; reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It usually works.  In fact, the Tories have that one down to an art form.  Frankly, I&#039;m pleasently surprised by the reporters&#039; reaction.</p>
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		<title>By: tdotlib</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202974</link>
		<dc:creator>tdotlib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continue to duck the questions long enough and people will stop asking you questions - I think that&#039;s what Peter was going for.  Running away with his head down and his proverbial tail between his legs was classic though.  &quot;I&#039;m needed on the car lot!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continue to duck the questions long enough and people will stop asking you questions &#8211; I think that&#039;s what Peter was going for.  Running away with his head down and his proverbial tail between his legs was classic though.  &quot;I&#039;m needed on the car lot!&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Foreigner</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202972</link>
		<dc:creator>Foreigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you cant accept that Van Loan was engaging in a technique taught to many people many times a day then I dont know what else to say.&quot;

It&#039;s not that I can&#039;t accept it.  It&#039;s that I won&#039;t accept it.  If I had been in Peter Van Loan&#039;s place, I probably would have done the exact same thing (although I&#039;d also have to imagine that I&#039;d have accepted to operate within an environment where opacity and disinformation are normal ways of operating, which is highly unlikely), but I wasn&#039;t, was I?

The larger issue for me is that being exhorted to simply accept that this is the way things work is truly only relevant to politicians and political journalists.  It&#039;s not relevant at all to consumers of news (who, you know, pay for this stuff) or citizens (who, you know...also pay for this stuff).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;If you cant accept that Van Loan was engaging in a technique taught to many people many times a day then I dont know what else to say.&quot;</p>
<p>It&#039;s not that I can&#039;t accept it.  It&#039;s that I won&#039;t accept it.  If I had been in Peter Van Loan&#039;s place, I probably would have done the exact same thing (although I&#039;d also have to imagine that I&#039;d have accepted to operate within an environment where opacity and disinformation are normal ways of operating, which is highly unlikely), but I wasn&#039;t, was I?</p>
<p>The larger issue for me is that being exhorted to simply accept that this is the way things work is truly only relevant to politicians and political journalists.  It&#039;s not relevant at all to consumers of news (who, you know, pay for this stuff) or citizens (who, you know&#8230;also pay for this stuff).</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202971</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just impressed he didn&#039;t lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m just impressed he didn&#039;t lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a training room at the Little Shop of Tories.</description>
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		<title>By: john g</title>
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		<dc:creator>john g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you completely. From PVL&#039;s point of view, the bad headlines were unavoidable. Better to get bad headlines for poor media relations (which everyone expects anyways) than to get headlines that you admitted covering up a report.

It&#039;s ugly, but people do it for a reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you completely. From PVL&#039;s point of view, the bad headlines were unavoidable. Better to get bad headlines for poor media relations (which everyone expects anyways) than to get headlines that you admitted covering up a report.</p>
<p>It&#039;s ugly, but people do it for a reason.</p>
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		<title>By: VinceClortho</title>
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		<dc:creator>VinceClortho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not going anywhere in particular, other than saying why is his bafflegab a surprise.   And if the story is what you indicate, there really isnt a useable quote out of this.   So, I guess my point is Van Loan did his tactical political job so why should anyone complain.   If the meme is he covered something up, then there needs to be a different turn to this.

Being shocked that a Minister does a complete stonewall on a topic he doesnt like isnt news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not going anywhere in particular, other than saying why is his bafflegab a surprise.   And if the story is what you indicate, there really isnt a useable quote out of this.   So, I guess my point is Van Loan did his tactical political job so why should anyone complain.   If the meme is he covered something up, then there needs to be a different turn to this.</p>
<p>Being shocked that a Minister does a complete stonewall on a topic he doesnt like isnt news.</p>
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		<title>By: kcm</title>
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		<dc:creator>kcm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Van Loan met his goals, he won ugly, and the reporter is left without any useable information...&quot;

I&#039;ve no idea where you&#039;re going with this. In my world my headline would read:&quot; Minister admits he may have held back report&quot;!  Not strictly true, but i no longer care when dealing with this type of politician.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#039;Van Loan met his goals, he won ugly, and the reporter is left without any useable information&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>I&#039;ve no idea where you&#039;re going with this. In my world my headline would read:&quot; Minister admits he may have held back report&quot;!  Not strictly true, but i no longer care when dealing with this type of politician.</p>
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		<title>By: VinceClortho</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202967</link>
		<dc:creator>VinceClortho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, the purveyor of the empty quip is just a naif in the woods?   I appreciate you brightening my day, that gave me a good chuckle.

If you cant accept that Van Loan was engaging in a technique taught to many people many times a day then I dont know what else to say.   You dont have to love it, or even agree with it to understand it.  Denial of &quot;what is&quot; doesnt help.  The reporters job now, as far as I can tell, is to find some other way to confirm what the minister wouldnt say directly.   Assuming it is even worth his time to do so.   My suspicion is it isnt and the story sinks underneath the waves...therefore you now have to question why this is even worth pointing to, other than to show up Van Loan.   It is an everyday occurence, that Wherry&#039;s &quot;professional&quot; colleagues teach for good money, a known and accepted tactic.  So why are we discussing this again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, the purveyor of the empty quip is just a naif in the woods?   I appreciate you brightening my day, that gave me a good chuckle.</p>
<p>If you cant accept that Van Loan was engaging in a technique taught to many people many times a day then I dont know what else to say.   You dont have to love it, or even agree with it to understand it.  Denial of &quot;what is&quot; doesnt help.  The reporters job now, as far as I can tell, is to find some other way to confirm what the minister wouldnt say directly.   Assuming it is even worth his time to do so.   My suspicion is it isnt and the story sinks underneath the waves&#8230;therefore you now have to question why this is even worth pointing to, other than to show up Van Loan.   It is an everyday occurence, that Wherry&#039;s &quot;professional&quot; colleagues teach for good money, a known and accepted tactic.  So why are we discussing this again?</p>
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		<title>By: kc</title>
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		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. You almost get the feeling from the transcript, that Vanloon&#039;s wondering where the peanut gallery is and why the hell the speaker does call time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. You almost get the feeling from the transcript, that Vanloon&#8217;s wondering where the peanut gallery is and why the hell the speaker does call time.</p>
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		<title>By: danby</title>
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		<dc:creator>danby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PVL impulsively  went looking for an easy score and met up with trouble instead.
 My guess is he&#039;ll be looking for payback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PVL impulsively  went looking for an easy score and met up with trouble instead.<br />
 My guess is he&#039;ll be looking for payback.</p>
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		<title>By: VinceClortho</title>
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		<dc:creator>VinceClortho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps.   I am just saying, this is what they teach.

Why wont the public see the clip, because it is not concise, not sexy and it is full of bafflegab or bridged messages.  So I dont think Van Loan is too worried this would lead the national, it just makes its way to some blogs...yawn.....where very abnormal people like you and I can look at it and opine.

Van Loan met his goals, he won ugly, and the reporter is left without any useable information...good when Van Loan had something he DIDN&#039;t want to talk about.

And as I said...Aarons colleagues get REALLY GOOD MONEY teaching this tactic and when it should be used to anyone of a number of groups who go before the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps.   I am just saying, this is what they teach.</p>
<p>Why wont the public see the clip, because it is not concise, not sexy and it is full of bafflegab or bridged messages.  So I dont think Van Loan is too worried this would lead the national, it just makes its way to some blogs&#8230;yawn&#8230;..where very abnormal people like you and I can look at it and opine.</p>
<p>Van Loan met his goals, he won ugly, and the reporter is left without any useable information&#8230;good when Van Loan had something he DIDN&#039;t want to talk about.</p>
<p>And as I said&#8230;Aarons colleagues get REALLY GOOD MONEY teaching this tactic and when it should be used to anyone of a number of groups who go before the media.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hiding behind percentages.

Van Loan claims the percentage of use has gone down. But all that is is a comparison to the use of the handgun registry.

The &lt;b&gt;actual&lt;/b&gt; use has gone up. The use of the handgun registry has gone up even more.

That should tell us that law enforcement find an &lt;b&gt;increasing&lt;/b&gt; usefulness to the long gun registry. The exact opposite of what Van Loan is trying to spin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hiding behind percentages.</p>
<p>Van Loan claims the percentage of use has gone down. But all that is is a comparison to the use of the handgun registry.</p>
<p>The <b>actual</b> use has gone up. The use of the handgun registry has gone up even more.</p>
<p>That should tell us that law enforcement find an <b>increasing</b> usefulness to the long gun registry. The exact opposite of what Van Loan is trying to spin.</p>
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		<title>By: kc</title>
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		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know how this looked, but it reads like a very effective cross examination. Persist with your question until the defendant...er pol hangs himself. A good day for journalism i&#039;d say; even so, i wonder if that journo is on his/her way to Iqaluit tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know how this looked, but it reads like a very effective cross examination. Persist with your question until the defendant&#8230;er pol hangs himself. A good day for journalism i&#8217;d say; even so, i wonder if that journo is on his/her way to Iqaluit tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: PolJunkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>PolJunkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite line was the one about this not being Question Period.  Priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite line was the one about this not being Question Period.  Priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: Foreigner</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202960</link>
		<dc:creator>Foreigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your cynicism is refreshing.   Thanks for the lesson on how the World works.

I approach this as a consumer of news products and a citizen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your cynicism is refreshing.   Thanks for the lesson on how the World works.</p>
<p>I approach this as a consumer of news products and a citizen.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202959</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a statistic then.

84000 times. That&#039;s the number of times the police will not be able to get information (2.3% of 3.5 million) from the Registry.

That&#039;s a lot of information being eliminated to police.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#039;s a statistic then.</p>
<p>84000 times. That&#039;s the number of times the police will not be able to get information (2.3% of 3.5 million) from the Registry.</p>
<p>That&#039;s a lot of information being eliminated to police.</p>
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		<title>By: kc</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202958</link>
		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re completely forgetting the audience - the public. Any reasonable person would conclude that Vanloon came off looking like a clown. Even more so since the media&#039;s persistence in this case eventually eked out the very info they wanted - confimation from his own lips that he had an ulterior motive for witholding the report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re completely forgetting the audience &#8211; the public. Any reasonable person would conclude that Vanloon came off looking like a clown. Even more so since the media&#8217;s persistence in this case eventually eked out the very info they wanted &#8211; confimation from his own lips that he had an ulterior motive for witholding the report.</p>
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		<title>By: TwoYen</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202957</link>
		<dc:creator>TwoYen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kady posted this yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kady posted this yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: Zamprelli</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202956</link>
		<dc:creator>Zamprelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q: &quot;God morning, Mr Van Loan. Lovely day, isn&#039;t it?&quot;

A: &quot;What&#039;s interesting is that day follows night, and night follows day&quot;

Q: &quot;But don&#039;t you think it&#039;s a lovely one, as far as days go?&quot;

A: &quot;I guess the Yankees were just the better team.&quot;

Q: &quot;Why won&#039;t you answer the question I&#039;m asking?&quot;

A: &quot;Rainbows!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q: &quot;God morning, Mr Van Loan. Lovely day, isn&#039;t it?&quot;</p>
<p>A: &quot;What&#039;s interesting is that day follows night, and night follows day&quot;</p>
<p>Q: &quot;But don&#039;t you think it&#039;s a lovely one, as far as days go?&quot;</p>
<p>A: &quot;I guess the Yankees were just the better team.&quot;</p>
<p>Q: &quot;Why won&#039;t you answer the question I&#039;m asking?&quot;</p>
<p>A: &quot;Rainbows!&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: ROBBEY</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202955</link>
		<dc:creator>ROBBEY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was wayyyy better.

[youtube naV6EK1rbGY &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naV6EK1rbGY&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naV6EK1rbGY&lt;/a&gt; youtube]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was wayyyy better.</p>
<p>[youtube naV6EK1rbGY <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naV6EK1rbGY" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naV6EK1rbGY</a> youtube]</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202954</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, no. The journalist should be congratulated for being so persistent in his or her questioning in regard to Van Loan&#039;s refusal to answer when he had received the report. Add this now to the admission that his claim (that only 2.4% of the queries were in regard to long guns) does not appear in that report, it certainly suggests that Van Loan was trying to manipulate availability of key info before the vote.

Interesting though that some people lament that this Cons govt does not answer legitimate questions during QP(acknowledging that there are some questions from the opposition that really do not deserve serious answers) and then would suggest that this reporter should just have shrugged his or her shoulders and walked away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, no. The journalist should be congratulated for being so persistent in his or her questioning in regard to Van Loan&#039;s refusal to answer when he had received the report. Add this now to the admission that his claim (that only 2.4% of the queries were in regard to long guns) does not appear in that report, it certainly suggests that Van Loan was trying to manipulate availability of key info before the vote.</p>
<p>Interesting though that some people lament that this Cons govt does not answer legitimate questions during QP(acknowledging that there are some questions from the opposition that really do not deserve serious answers) and then would suggest that this reporter should just have shrugged his or her shoulders and walked away.</p>
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		<title>By: VinceClortho</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202953</link>
		<dc:creator>VinceClortho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not particularly fond of the tactic, but really, isnt our cherubic host being just a tad naive.   As I said, his colleagues teach this tactic every day to business, labour and political managers and leaders.   Its infuriating when you&#039;re a journalist, but part of your job isnt just to ask quetion...anyone can do that....its to ask the right questions in the right way...and even then, in the face of a determined media saavy answerer you wont get much at that exchange.  Nobody said Van Loan had to make their job easier, he had a message he wanted out and he did his job.

This is just another day in the jungle.   The teaching of the black arts of media training will go on regardless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not particularly fond of the tactic, but really, isnt our cherubic host being just a tad naive.   As I said, his colleagues teach this tactic every day to business, labour and political managers and leaders.   Its infuriating when you&#039;re a journalist, but part of your job isnt just to ask quetion&#8230;anyone can do that&#8230;.its to ask the right questions in the right way&#8230;and even then, in the face of a determined media saavy answerer you wont get much at that exchange.  Nobody said Van Loan had to make their job easier, he had a message he wanted out and he did his job.</p>
<p>This is just another day in the jungle.   The teaching of the black arts of media training will go on regardless.</p>
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		<title>By: john g</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202952</link>
		<dc:creator>john g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. Walking away was the outcome Van Loan was looking for.</description>
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		<title>By: Foreigner</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202951</link>
		<dc:creator>Foreigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The reporter better hope his editor doesnt decide the useless comment belongs in his performace review.&quot;

The editor better start worrying that it&#039;s exactly this type of condemnation of common sense that is killing news journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;The reporter better hope his editor doesnt decide the useless comment belongs in his performace review.&quot;</p>
<p>The editor better start worrying that it&#039;s exactly this type of condemnation of common sense that is killing news journalism.</p>
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		<title>By: VinceClortho</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202950</link>
		<dc:creator>VinceClortho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Au Contraire.    This is exactly what they teach you to do, it will be used as an example why the technique works.  It might be used as a de brief in a journalism class to generate more ideas on how the questions could have been asked differently.

The reporter better hope his editor doesnt decide the useless comment belongs in his performace review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Au Contraire.    This is exactly what they teach you to do, it will be used as an example why the technique works.  It might be used as a de brief in a journalism class to generate more ideas on how the questions could have been asked differently.</p>
<p>The reporter better hope his editor doesnt decide the useless comment belongs in his performace review.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202949</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they did a better job there by not letting the issue go. They let him have his spin once and then would not let him repeat it but kept on him and on him. The total video showing the evasiveness and ignoring a very relevant, proper and important follow-up question has a bigger impact than if they had walked away.

They need to be more aggressive, like they were under Martin, than walking away. Walking away would be more than fine for the Conservatives. They don&#039;t like it when people ask them questions about how they are running our government or spending our money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they did a better job there by not letting the issue go. They let him have his spin once and then would not let him repeat it but kept on him and on him. The total video showing the evasiveness and ignoring a very relevant, proper and important follow-up question has a bigger impact than if they had walked away.</p>
<p>They need to be more aggressive, like they were under Martin, than walking away. Walking away would be more than fine for the Conservatives. They don&#039;t like it when people ask them questions about how they are running our government or spending our money.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202945</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone is not a PVL fan! It&#039;s hard not to cheer for a reporter who actually gives a politician trouble for being evasive and duplicitous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone is not a PVL fan! It&#8217;s hard not to cheer for a reporter who actually gives a politician trouble for being evasive and duplicitous.</p>
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		<title>By: Con Ed</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202947</link>
		<dc:creator>Con Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching the tv clip of Van Loan, my impression is he thought he was becoming more Baird-than-thou but just because you can bray a few retorts with a cheerleading section behind you in QP doesn&#039;t necessarily translate to doing well in a scrum.  As Van Loan so obviously demonstrates.  This clip will be used in media training seminars for years to come, as what not to do.  Brutal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching the tv clip of Van Loan, my impression is he thought he was becoming more Baird-than-thou but just because you can bray a few retorts with a cheerleading section behind you in QP doesn&#039;t necessarily translate to doing well in a scrum.  As Van Loan so obviously demonstrates.  This clip will be used in media training seminars for years to come, as what not to do.  Brutal.</p>
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		<title>By: Con Ed</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202948</link>
		<dc:creator>Con Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s not their job, to walk away.  I think this became more interesting because they stayed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#039;s not their job, to walk away.  I think this became more interesting because they stayed.</p>
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		<title>By: Foreigner</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202946</link>
		<dc:creator>Foreigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very rare indeed for a journalist, after having provided repeated opportunities for a respondent to answer a question he/she doesn&#039;t like, to advance, finally, a plausible explanation for the evasion and then ask the respondent what he/she thinks of that.  Such as &quot;Let&#039;s try this another way.  Minister Van Loan, I suspect you had this report and didn&#039;t release it because you didn&#039;t want the Parliamentarians to have this information.  What do you think of that?&quot;

Of course, we know why this rarely happens.  It&#039;s not one of the &quot;rules of the game.&quot;  Which goes a long to explain why people are turned by both politics and the news media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s very rare indeed for a journalist, after having provided repeated opportunities for a respondent to answer a question he/she doesn&#039;t like, to advance, finally, a plausible explanation for the evasion and then ask the respondent what he/she thinks of that.  Such as &quot;Let&#039;s try this another way.  Minister Van Loan, I suspect you had this report and didn&#039;t release it because you didn&#039;t want the Parliamentarians to have this information.  What do you think of that?&quot;</p>
<p>Of course, we know why this rarely happens.  It&#039;s not one of the &quot;rules of the game.&quot;  Which goes a long to explain why people are turned by both politics and the news media.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dave S</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202944</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dave S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like someone&#039;s angling for a senate seat!</description>
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		<title>By: jolyon</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202943</link>
		<dc:creator>jolyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Politicians need the media&quot;

Not often we agree McClelland but this time we do. Many journos appear grateful for whatever crumbs pols are willing to give but pols would freak out if reporters stopped covering them for a few days. Being on tv, or in the newspaper, is a big draw for a lot of pols and taking it away should keep them in line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Politicians need the media&quot;</p>
<p>Not often we agree McClelland but this time we do. Many journos appear grateful for whatever crumbs pols are willing to give but pols would freak out if reporters stopped covering them for a few days. Being on tv, or in the newspaper, is a big draw for a lot of pols and taking it away should keep them in line.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202942</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, reporters in Ottawa not being total pushovers for once!

Lets see more of this people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, reporters in Ottawa not being total pushovers for once!</p>
<p>Lets see more of this people!</p>
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		<title>By: Anon Lib</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202941</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon Lib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FINALLY! If only our reporters could always be this tenacious.</description>
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		<title>By: Robert McClelland</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202940</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert McClelland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more important question is why the press doesn&#039;t simply walk away when it becomes clear that the person is not willing to answer the questions. Politicians need the media, not the other way around and until the press clues into that fact, politicians will continue to be evasive because they know that whatever they&#039;re belching out will be dutifully published.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more important question is why the press doesn&#039;t simply walk away when it becomes clear that the person is not willing to answer the questions. Politicians need the media, not the other way around and until the press clues into that fact, politicians will continue to be evasive because they know that whatever they&#039;re belching out will be dutifully published.</p>
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		<title>By: VinceClortho</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/that-was-totally-useless-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-202939</link>
		<dc:creator>VinceClortho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great example of what you are taught to do by ex-journalists who run media training companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great example of what you are taught to do by ex-journalists who run media training companies.</p>
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