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	<title>Comments on: Why Harper is heading to Asia</title>
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		<title>By: Carmen</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202876</link>
		<dc:creator>Carmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harper should be doing business with countries such as China and Colombia if its going to benefit Canada ultimately. And there is nothing wrong with the Colombian government, so if you don&#039;t know anything about the government, dont make judgements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harper should be doing business with countries such as China and Colombia if its going to benefit Canada ultimately. And there is nothing wrong with the Colombian government, so if you don&#039;t know anything about the government, dont make judgements.</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202875</link>
		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here here...well said...the real deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here here&#8230;well said&#8230;the real deal.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202874</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Either that picture accompanying the article is of a sad owl or Canada has its very own &quot;Balloon Boy&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Either that picture accompanying the article is of a sad owl or Canada has its very own &quot;Balloon Boy&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: james curran</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202873</link>
		<dc:creator>james curran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that Alfred Hitchcock in that picture?</description>
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		<title>By: Dot</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202872</link>
		<dc:creator>Dot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And sometimes very partisan...provides subtle cover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And sometimes very partisan&#8230;provides subtle cover.</p>
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		<title>By: Crit_Reasoning</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202871</link>
		<dc:creator>Crit_Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes I&#039;m much too subtle. ;-)</description>
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		<title>By: Dot</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202870</link>
		<dc:creator>Dot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. I now admit I didn&#039;t see the satire.

Good one. Fooled me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. I now admit I didn&#039;t see the satire.</p>
<p>Good one. Fooled me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dot</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202869</link>
		<dc:creator>Dot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So then, maybe the original shooting was in order, non-messenger. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So then, maybe the original shooting was in order, non-messenger. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Crit_Reasoning</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202868</link>
		<dc:creator>Crit_Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a private citizen, Dot - nobody sends me &quot;talking points&quot;.  This was just a rumour, and the &quot;pitch-perfect&quot; bit was my own humorous embellishment.   The absurdity was intentional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m a private citizen, Dot &#8211; nobody sends me &quot;talking points&quot;.  This was just a rumour, and the &quot;pitch-perfect&quot; bit was my own humorous embellishment.   The absurdity was intentional.</p>
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		<title>By: Dot</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202867</link>
		<dc:creator>Dot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I could tell you were passing on talking points when I read this line: &lt;i&gt;Harper will walk onstage to thunderous applause and will deliver the punchline in pitch-perfect Mandarin. &lt;/i&gt;

Having taken two Mandarin classes, to become &quot;pitch-perfect&quot; in a tonal language is quite an achievement. Is Harper even pitch-perfect in french? As far as the rest of the note, it looks like some Communist official wrote it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I could tell you were passing on talking points when I read this line: <i>Harper will walk onstage to thunderous applause and will deliver the punchline in pitch-perfect Mandarin. </i></p>
<p>Having taken two Mandarin classes, to become &quot;pitch-perfect&quot; in a tonal language is quite an achievement. Is Harper even pitch-perfect in french? As far as the rest of the note, it looks like some Communist official wrote it.</p>
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		<title>By: Crit_Reasoning</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202866</link>
		<dc:creator>Crit_Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t shoot me, I&#039;m just the messenger. ;-)</description>
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		<title>By: Dot</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202865</link>
		<dc:creator>Dot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crit Reasoning at his worst. The cultural ignorance is astounding.

Bu hao!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crit Reasoning at his worst. The cultural ignorance is astounding.</p>
<p>Bu hao!</p>
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		<title>By: Home412AD</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202864</link>
		<dc:creator>Home412AD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the real name of India is Hindustan.</description>
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		<title>By: Home412AD</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202863</link>
		<dc:creator>Home412AD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For crying out loud. As other posters have described, the information you request is readily available on the internet, and has been for years. Look it up for yourself, if you genuinely want to know. Gujarat is kitty-corner to the state where Canada has its main office, and most people believe the interests of Canada would be better served with another office further away, to involve more of the host country in Canadian influence. By any geopolitical standard, two states right beside each other in such a vast area as India is not good strategy, tactics, or logistics, and Canada obviously would have been better off to put the office almost anywhere else. Look up the facts on the internet, going back about 20 years. Try the Europa Year Book at your local library, if you can&#039;t use the internet properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For crying out loud. As other posters have described, the information you request is readily available on the internet, and has been for years. Look it up for yourself, if you genuinely want to know. Gujarat is kitty-corner to the state where Canada has its main office, and most people believe the interests of Canada would be better served with another office further away, to involve more of the host country in Canadian influence. By any geopolitical standard, two states right beside each other in such a vast area as India is not good strategy, tactics, or logistics, and Canada obviously would have been better off to put the office almost anywhere else. Look up the facts on the internet, going back about 20 years. Try the Europa Year Book at your local library, if you can&#039;t use the internet properly.</p>
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		<title>By: Home412AD</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202862</link>
		<dc:creator>Home412AD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I regret the bluntness of pointing out that your position doesn&#039;t have a leg to stand on. When you pile up most of the nations of Africa and Latin America, Southeast Asia, including the island nations, Central Asia, at least half the nations of the Mideast, and every European nation east of Poland and south of the Czech Republic, you will see a travesty of incompetence and corruption that will turn your blood to ice. You can&#039;t honestly suggest you would want to live under any of those regimes and expect other people to take you seriously, or even pretend to believe you.

To argue that China doesn&#039;t have a good government is plainly ludicrous. You try taking a nation of more than a billion people from abject deprivation and misery to a major world power in one generation, and see how well you perform at the task. Your stance appears emotional, not rational or realistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I regret the bluntness of pointing out that your position doesn&#039;t have a leg to stand on. When you pile up most of the nations of Africa and Latin America, Southeast Asia, including the island nations, Central Asia, at least half the nations of the Mideast, and every European nation east of Poland and south of the Czech Republic, you will see a travesty of incompetence and corruption that will turn your blood to ice. You can&#039;t honestly suggest you would want to live under any of those regimes and expect other people to take you seriously, or even pretend to believe you.</p>
<p>To argue that China doesn&#039;t have a good government is plainly ludicrous. You try taking a nation of more than a billion people from abject deprivation and misery to a major world power in one generation, and see how well you perform at the task. Your stance appears emotional, not rational or realistic.</p>
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		<title>By: kathryn c</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202861</link>
		<dc:creator>kathryn c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frenchie
What about human rights abuses in Colombia then? Harper apparently has no qualms about them. Without consistency, a principled stand against human rights abuses is not really credible.  Take these together and it looks more like old-tyme Commie bashing.

FWIW, I also avoid buying Chinese whenever possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frenchie<br />
What about human rights abuses in Colombia then? Harper apparently has no qualms about them. Without consistency, a principled stand against human rights abuses is not really credible.  Take these together and it looks more like old-tyme Commie bashing.</p>
<p>FWIW, I also avoid buying Chinese whenever possible.</p>
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		<title>By: kathryn c</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202860</link>
		<dc:creator>kathryn c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Change your first sentence to read &quot;That&#039;s the problems with Harper&quot; and you&#039;d have something.

The media is doing its job as it must.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Change your first sentence to read &quot;That&#039;s the problems with Harper&quot; and you&#039;d have something.</p>
<p>The media is doing its job as it must.</p>
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		<title>By: Per Arvidson</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202859</link>
		<dc:creator>Per Arvidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crit Reasoning at its best</description>
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		<title>By: Crit_Reasoning</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202858</link>
		<dc:creator>Crit_Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So do I!  It sounds like a fantastic idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So do I!  It sounds like a fantastic idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202857</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing bad about standing up for human rights, quite the contrary. I would be happy to pay more for consumer goods if I thought it would make any difference to human rights in China, although I suspect the vast majority of people could care less. Unfortunately, Harper has acted like a petulant child regarding China. That just made them angry at us without doing anything whatsoever to improv human rights in China. If you are going to take action, it should be effective action. But once again, Harper was motivated by partisan considerations rather than Canada&#039;s best interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing bad about standing up for human rights, quite the contrary. I would be happy to pay more for consumer goods if I thought it would make any difference to human rights in China, although I suspect the vast majority of people could care less. Unfortunately, Harper has acted like a petulant child regarding China. That just made them angry at us without doing anything whatsoever to improv human rights in China. If you are going to take action, it should be effective action. But once again, Harper was motivated by partisan considerations rather than Canada&#039;s best interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202856</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, I heard about this Dashan guy!  Apparently he&#039;s huge!  It would be a great idea to include him in a big gala, with the PM front &amp; centre.  A great PR coup, especially if televised.  Kudos to the Beijing embassy for this and to the PM for seeing the potential.  I hope it happens!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, I heard about this Dashan guy!  Apparently he&#039;s huge!  It would be a great idea to include him in a big gala, with the PM front &amp; centre.  A great PR coup, especially if televised.  Kudos to the Beijing embassy for this and to the PM for seeing the potential.  I hope it happens!</p>
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		<title>By: Crit_Reasoning</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202855</link>
		<dc:creator>Crit_Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted this in Wells&#039;s blog earlier, and now I&#039;m posting it in the relevant column:

I heard a tantalizing rumour that Harper has big plans for the China visit. Harper will be part of a gala event that will simultaneously promote the 2010 Shanghai Expo and the 2010 Vancouver Olympics (a symbolic &#8216;passing of the torch&#8217; from Summer to Winter Olympics).

The event will feature glittery performances by Chinese musicians, dancers and acrobats, and one of the major themes will be Chinese/Canadian friendship and cultural understanding. It will be televised nationally, with a projected TV audience in the hundreds of millions.

One of the most famous foreigners in China, Dashan (a.k.a. Mark Rowswell) is a master of the ancient Chinese comedic art of &lt;a href=&quot;http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch\?v=lpxezw_Qsjg&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;xiangsheng&lt;/a&gt;. He speaks perfect Mandarin and often acts as a &#8220;cultural ambassador&#8221;. Earlier this year, Harper appointed him Canada&#8217;s Commissioner General for the 2010 Shanghai World Expo. Dashan will play a starring role in the gala.

Dashan wrote a comedy routine which will be performed by him and four Chinese artists. The routine is full of puns and wordplay, joking about hockey and other Canadian winter sports that seem exotic to most Chinese. Toward the end of the performance, Harper walk onstage to thunderous applause and will deliver the punchline in pitch-perfect Mandarin. Following this surprise, Harper will deliver a short speech of goodwill to China in French and English, which will be translated by Dashan. Norman Bethune and others will be honoured.

This performance should go a long way toward mending bridges and boosting Canada&#8217;s profile in China. Needless to say, it will be Harper&#8217;s largest audience ever, by a factor of at least ten (a nice follow-up to his &#8220;piano man&#8221; routine).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this in Wells&#039;s blog earlier, and now I&#039;m posting it in the relevant column:</p>
<p>I heard a tantalizing rumour that Harper has big plans for the China visit. Harper will be part of a gala event that will simultaneously promote the 2010 Shanghai Expo and the 2010 Vancouver Olympics (a symbolic &lsquo;passing of the torch&rsquo; from Summer to Winter Olympics).</p>
<p>The event will feature glittery performances by Chinese musicians, dancers and acrobats, and one of the major themes will be Chinese/Canadian friendship and cultural understanding. It will be televised nationally, with a projected TV audience in the hundreds of millions.</p>
<p>One of the most famous foreigners in China, Dashan (a.k.a. Mark Rowswell) is a master of the ancient Chinese comedic art of <a href="http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch\?v=lpxezw_Qsjg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">xiangsheng</a>. He speaks perfect Mandarin and often acts as a &ldquo;cultural ambassador&rdquo;. Earlier this year, Harper appointed him Canada&rsquo;s Commissioner General for the 2010 Shanghai World Expo. Dashan will play a starring role in the gala.</p>
<p>Dashan wrote a comedy routine which will be performed by him and four Chinese artists. The routine is full of puns and wordplay, joking about hockey and other Canadian winter sports that seem exotic to most Chinese. Toward the end of the performance, Harper walk onstage to thunderous applause and will deliver the punchline in pitch-perfect Mandarin. Following this surprise, Harper will deliver a short speech of goodwill to China in French and English, which will be translated by Dashan. Norman Bethune and others will be honoured.</p>
<p>This performance should go a long way toward mending bridges and boosting Canada&rsquo;s profile in China. Needless to say, it will be Harper&rsquo;s largest audience ever, by a factor of at least ten (a nice follow-up to his &ldquo;piano man&rdquo; routine).</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202854</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not &quot;restoring the names from their anglicised forms,&quot; it&#039;s altering the names as pronounced in English.  It&#039;s every language&#039;s right to mispronounce, and thus misspell, foreign proper names; actually it&#039;s kind of distinguishing, it means the person / place mispronounced and misspelt has an independent life in another language / country.

Thus Roma &gt; Rome, Par-EE &gt; PAIR-iss, YAY-soos &gt; JEE-zuz, Nietzsche &gt; NEE-chee, Ca-MUE &gt; KA-moo, etc. etc. etc.

The very name for India (in English) is derived from Sanskrit via Persian via Greek via Latin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s not &quot;restoring the names from their anglicised forms,&quot; it&#039;s altering the names as pronounced in English.  It&#039;s every language&#039;s right to mispronounce, and thus misspell, foreign proper names; actually it&#039;s kind of distinguishing, it means the person / place mispronounced and misspelt has an independent life in another language / country.</p>
<p>Thus Roma &gt; Rome, Par-EE &gt; PAIR-iss, YAY-soos &gt; JEE-zuz, Nietzsche &gt; NEE-chee, Ca-MUE &gt; KA-moo, etc. etc. etc.</p>
<p>The very name for India (in English) is derived from Sanskrit via Persian via Greek via Latin.</p>
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		<title>By: TedTylerEzro</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202853</link>
		<dc:creator>TedTylerEzro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting theory, and the type of information I was wondering about.   Do you have any sources that I could examine to back that up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s an interesting theory, and the type of information I was wondering about.   Do you have any sources that I could examine to back that up?</p>
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		<title>By: TedTylerEzro</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202852</link>
		<dc:creator>TedTylerEzro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but you lost me here.   The chinese government has gotten better, but I wouldn&#039;t say that it is a good government.  Not by a long shot.   Certainly when I think of regimes whose authority I&#039;d want to live under, they would be in the bottom 50 of the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but you lost me here.   The chinese government has gotten better, but I wouldn&#039;t say that it is a good government.  Not by a long shot.   Certainly when I think of regimes whose authority I&#039;d want to live under, they would be in the bottom 50 of the list.</p>
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		<title>By: TedTylerEzro</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202851</link>
		<dc:creator>TedTylerEzro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make a good case here...</description>
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		<title>By: Orson Bean</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202850</link>
		<dc:creator>Orson Bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we only traded with countries who actually &quot;share our values on human rights&quot;, we would only be trading with a very small number of countries, especially in terms of the global population.  Basically we would be trading with the EU, the US (except that the entire Canadian centre-left sees the US as evil, so maybe not them either), Australia and New Zealand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we only traded with countries who actually &quot;share our values on human rights&quot;, we would only be trading with a very small number of countries, especially in terms of the global population.  Basically we would be trading with the EU, the US (except that the entire Canadian centre-left sees the US as evil, so maybe not them either), Australia and New Zealand.</p>
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		<title>By: Home412AD</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202849</link>
		<dc:creator>Home412AD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Second, whether we endure a neighbor we don&#039;t like or not doesn&#039;t depend only on making a buck. Tolerance depends on how many bucks are involved. In the case of China, the number of bucks so clearly outweighs any other consideration, the pragmatic, practical decision of national governments is obvious, not worth a second thought.

Finally, the State Council is not a bad government. As national governments go, it&#039;s actually pretty good, and certainly better than the majority in the world. Asserting that the Chinese government &#039;don&#039;t give a damn about the health and welfare of their own people&#039;, is simply preposterous, and libel. Some people should do some research before they take the leash off their typing fingers. Looking up a definition of &#039;totalitarian state&#039; would be a good place to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second, whether we endure a neighbor we don&#039;t like or not doesn&#039;t depend only on making a buck. Tolerance depends on how many bucks are involved. In the case of China, the number of bucks so clearly outweighs any other consideration, the pragmatic, practical decision of national governments is obvious, not worth a second thought.</p>
<p>Finally, the State Council is not a bad government. As national governments go, it&#039;s actually pretty good, and certainly better than the majority in the world. Asserting that the Chinese government &#039;don&#039;t give a damn about the health and welfare of their own people&#039;, is simply preposterous, and libel. Some people should do some research before they take the leash off their typing fingers. Looking up a definition of &#039;totalitarian state&#039; would be a good place to start.</p>
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		<title>By: Home412AD</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202848</link>
		<dc:creator>Home412AD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some posters are clearly sent by the gods to be a trial and tribulation, to strengthen our spirit by encouraging us to be polite and tolerant.

First of all, sanctions don&#039;t work, and have never worked in 2,000 years. Anyone can smuggle anything in and out of a country for enough money. Only the poor, who can&#039;t afford the black market premium, suffer under sanctions. The middle class and upper class never even notice sanctions were ever imposed. The increase in black market cost is merely one more type of inflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some posters are clearly sent by the gods to be a trial and tribulation, to strengthen our spirit by encouraging us to be polite and tolerant.</p>
<p>First of all, sanctions don&#039;t work, and have never worked in 2,000 years. Anyone can smuggle anything in and out of a country for enough money. Only the poor, who can&#039;t afford the black market premium, suffer under sanctions. The middle class and upper class never even notice sanctions were ever imposed. The increase in black market cost is merely one more type of inflation.</p>
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		<title>By: frenchie101</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202846</link>
		<dc:creator>frenchie101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never win popularity contests , then again,thats not my goal in life:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never win popularity contests , then again,thats not my goal in life:-)</p>
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		<title>By: frenchie101</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202847</link>
		<dc:creator>frenchie101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never win popularity contests , then again,thats not my goal in life:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never win popularity contests , then again,thats not my goal in life:-)</p>
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		<title>By: frenchie101</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202845</link>
		<dc:creator>frenchie101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I am not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I am not.</p>
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		<title>By: Spence</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202844</link>
		<dc:creator>Spence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your full of SH1T!</description>
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		<title>By: madeyoulook</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202843</link>
		<dc:creator>madeyoulook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but the prevailing wisdom is that Harper is becoming Chretien-Deux.  So, then, time for a Team Canada mission or two, dontcha think?  Anybody know if he&#039;s dragging along a bunch of business types for the dog-and-pony show of &quot;making deals&quot; already made?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but the prevailing wisdom is that Harper is becoming Chretien-Deux.  So, then, time for a Team Canada mission or two, dontcha think?  Anybody know if he&#039;s dragging along a bunch of business types for the dog-and-pony show of &quot;making deals&quot; already made?</p>
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		<title>By: The real deal</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202842</link>
		<dc:creator>The real deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By choosing to punish India for the their nuclear test and punish India and Gujarat for the riots and the results we have damaged Canada&#039;s ability to succeed in India. Fact: Bilateral trade with India is $4.6B annually today. Trade with China is $85B.  Number of Indian students 7,000 (appx). Number Chinese students studying in Canada 42,000 (appx). Canada is far behind on India and if we choose to continue talking down to India, blacklisting state governments or imposing sanctions on India as Canada did in 1998, we will continue to alienate a great potential ally.

On your point about collusion, there have been reports and various investigations regarding Gujarat and the riots led by the Congress government. If there was indeed collusion, the Congress government would have been the first to charge Modi for these alleged crimes. However, the untold story is in fact that the riots were the result of the actions of radical Islamists.

Regarding the blacklisting of Modi, ask yourself if it is justifiable to blacklist the Chief Minister of a state within a democratic India, with rule of law,  while we, in the Western world, especially Canada has never blacklisted any of the leaders from China who actively ordered the Tianamen Square massacre, the torture of Falun Gong practitioners and the suppression of Tibetans (which continues today).

The changing of the names was an act of national pride by the government of India to change the names from their anglocized names (i.e. Calcutta, Bombay, Madras and Bangalore). Indians wanted to restore the names that the British had changed. At the very least, my recommendation is that Mr. Wells, the PM and his staff should respect the current way in which those cities are officially addressed in the 21st century.  It would be proper protocol, as it would be not to refer to Beijing as Peking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By choosing to punish India for the their nuclear test and punish India and Gujarat for the riots and the results we have damaged Canada&#039;s ability to succeed in India. Fact: Bilateral trade with India is $4.6B annually today. Trade with China is $85B.  Number of Indian students 7,000 (appx). Number Chinese students studying in Canada 42,000 (appx). Canada is far behind on India and if we choose to continue talking down to India, blacklisting state governments or imposing sanctions on India as Canada did in 1998, we will continue to alienate a great potential ally.</p>
<p>On your point about collusion, there have been reports and various investigations regarding Gujarat and the riots led by the Congress government. If there was indeed collusion, the Congress government would have been the first to charge Modi for these alleged crimes. However, the untold story is in fact that the riots were the result of the actions of radical Islamists.</p>
<p>Regarding the blacklisting of Modi, ask yourself if it is justifiable to blacklist the Chief Minister of a state within a democratic India, with rule of law,  while we, in the Western world, especially Canada has never blacklisted any of the leaders from China who actively ordered the Tianamen Square massacre, the torture of Falun Gong practitioners and the suppression of Tibetans (which continues today).</p>
<p>The changing of the names was an act of national pride by the government of India to change the names from their anglocized names (i.e. Calcutta, Bombay, Madras and Bangalore). Indians wanted to restore the names that the British had changed. At the very least, my recommendation is that Mr. Wells, the PM and his staff should respect the current way in which those cities are officially addressed in the 21st century.  It would be proper protocol, as it would be not to refer to Beijing as Peking.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202841</link>
		<dc:creator>Bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More wasted tax money. Let companies go and negotiate on their own. For Harper its only a vacation at tax payers expense.</description>
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		<title>By: psiclone</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202840</link>
		<dc:creator>psiclone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well said Frenchie - but be careful on these web forums -as if you start dealing with realistic information rather than uber partisan shots you won&#039;t be popular!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well said Frenchie &#8211; but be careful on these web forums -as if you start dealing with realistic information rather than uber partisan shots you won&#039;t be popular!</p>
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		<title>By: PlaidShirt</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202839</link>
		<dc:creator>PlaidShirt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All my Indian friends living in Calcutta, still call it Calcutta or CAL for short. Kolkataa is political pablum for the linguistic feudalists, just like Mumbai and Chennai.

Furthermore, yours is but one side of the story. The other side is that Narendra Modi&#039;s administration and the state police forces actively stood by while Hindu retribution mobs went after Gujarati Muslims. There were central government enquiries into the facts to see if their was indeed collusion that resulted in many deaths. Now Modi has mostly rehabiliated his image such that he has an excellent chance of becoming the Leader of the Opposion and BJP party in the central government.

The blacklisting was probably justified, but the time has come to remove them from the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All my Indian friends living in Calcutta, still call it Calcutta or CAL for short. Kolkataa is political pablum for the linguistic feudalists, just like Mumbai and Chennai.</p>
<p>Furthermore, yours is but one side of the story. The other side is that Narendra Modi&#039;s administration and the state police forces actively stood by while Hindu retribution mobs went after Gujarati Muslims. There were central government enquiries into the facts to see if their was indeed collusion that resulted in many deaths. Now Modi has mostly rehabiliated his image such that he has an excellent chance of becoming the Leader of the Opposion and BJP party in the central government.</p>
<p>The blacklisting was probably justified, but the time has come to remove them from the list.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnC</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202838</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all political optics and blather.  There is nothing Stephen Harper or any PM can do, including opening &quot;trade offices&quot; to improve economic relations with other countries.  That is something merchants and the markets do.  Except, oh yeah, Canada poses as a Free Trading nation, while in reality maintains strict political and bureaucratic control of trade.  If we want improved trade relations with China -- and we do -- it is time for our poseur PM to stay home, repeal whole spools of red tape and stop with his disordered obsessive politicking at Canadians&#039; expense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all political optics and blather.  There is nothing Stephen Harper or any PM can do, including opening &quot;trade offices&quot; to improve economic relations with other countries.  That is something merchants and the markets do.  Except, oh yeah, Canada poses as a Free Trading nation, while in reality maintains strict political and bureaucratic control of trade.  If we want improved trade relations with China &#8212; and we do &#8212; it is time for our poseur PM to stay home, repeal whole spools of red tape and stop with his disordered obsessive politicking at Canadians&#039; expense.</p>
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		<title>By: frenchie101</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202837</link>
		<dc:creator>frenchie101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canada&#039;s exports to China went from $7,325,135,765 in 2006 to $9,994,684,999 year end 2008, that&#039;s an increase of 36%.
Canada&#039;s exports to China went from $6,770,000,000 in 2004 to $7,325,135,765 year end 2006, that&#039;s an increase of 8%.

what damage????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canada&#039;s exports to China went from $7,325,135,765 in 2006 to $9,994,684,999 year end 2008, that&#039;s an increase of 36%.<br />
Canada&#039;s exports to China went from $6,770,000,000 in 2004 to $7,325,135,765 year end 2006, that&#039;s an increase of 8%.</p>
<p>what damage????</p>
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		<title>By: YSP</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202836</link>
		<dc:creator>YSP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect small shiny pottery figurines emphasizing his Buddha-ness would be more popular.  Or maybe a dashboard bobblehead . . .

If you read Chinese-language media, Stephen Harper is widely regarded in China as being sympathetic to Chinese terrorists &amp; criminals.  Google Huseyincan Celil or Lai Changxing.  He was also widely regarded as being the only world leader who made Bush look smart and worldly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect small shiny pottery figurines emphasizing his Buddha-ness would be more popular.  Or maybe a dashboard bobblehead . . .</p>
<p>If you read Chinese-language media, Stephen Harper is widely regarded in China as being sympathetic to Chinese terrorists &amp; criminals.  Google Huseyincan Celil or Lai Changxing.  He was also widely regarded as being the only world leader who made Bush look smart and worldly.</p>
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		<title>By: frenchie101</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202835</link>
		<dc:creator>frenchie101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dislike anyhting made in China, why is most of everything I pick up is just that. What&#039;s the big deal with China, I like a man that stands his ground on human rights.Is that so terrible</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dislike anyhting made in China, why is most of everything I pick up is just that. What&#039;s the big deal with China, I like a man that stands his ground on human rights.Is that so terrible</p>
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		<title>By: PoliticalPundit</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202834</link>
		<dc:creator>PoliticalPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have lost any sense of humour!  Lighten up will&#039;ya!

Yes, Harper loves to be in the coattails of Obama!  Canada has become truly subservient to its largest trading partner but will not get an exemption from Congress&#039;s very popular Buy America decree!!  Harper&#039;s government intervened in the Democratic leadership race because it fear Obama&#039;s protectionism.  Obama has not forgotten that dirty little trick carried out by the PMO office and Canada&#039;s Ambassador in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have lost any sense of humour!  Lighten up will&#039;ya!</p>
<p>Yes, Harper loves to be in the coattails of Obama!  Canada has become truly subservient to its largest trading partner but will not get an exemption from Congress&#039;s very popular Buy America decree!!  Harper&#039;s government intervened in the Democratic leadership race because it fear Obama&#039;s protectionism.  Obama has not forgotten that dirty little trick carried out by the PMO office and Canada&#039;s Ambassador in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: OntarioTown</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202833</link>
		<dc:creator>OntarioTown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re comment is way over the top.

If nothing else, Harper can get photo-ops with Obama again....cause he&#039;ll be there too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;re comment is way over the top.</p>
<p>If nothing else, Harper can get photo-ops with Obama again&#8230;.cause he&#039;ll be there too.</p>
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		<title>By: VinceClortho</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/06/why-harper-is-heading-to-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-202832</link>
		<dc:creator>VinceClortho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A government has a record to defend, might be a good one, might be a bad one or i might even be a non existent one.   Dion to his credit, had an idea, it was just a bad one and certainly a badly communicated one.

Look there are loits of examples on either side, good and bad.   Liberals released the red book in 1992 to counter that they were yesterdays man with no ideas, the cons in 1984 had to produce policies to get attention, the cons in 2006 (?) did the same thing, some before some after the writ.

Taking the position that you are going to bering the govenrment down with either no demonstartion of your own plan, or a a convincing demonstration of governing party incompetence is folly.  This isnt partisan, its pretty fundamental strategy.   But these mistakes get made by all sides and all leaders....Haprer made his in 2005.   day got totally whipsawed by Chretien in what 1998?.   Happens to all of them.

The Liberals need to ask why the last two OLO&#039;s have been so tone deaf to electoral reality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A government has a record to defend, might be a good one, might be a bad one or i might even be a non existent one.   Dion to his credit, had an idea, it was just a bad one and certainly a badly communicated one.</p>
<p>Look there are loits of examples on either side, good and bad.   Liberals released the red book in 1992 to counter that they were yesterdays man with no ideas, the cons in 1984 had to produce policies to get attention, the cons in 2006 (?) did the same thing, some before some after the writ.</p>
<p>Taking the position that you are going to bering the govenrment down with either no demonstartion of your own plan, or a a convincing demonstration of governing party incompetence is folly.  This isnt partisan, its pretty fundamental strategy.   But these mistakes get made by all sides and all leaders&#8230;.Haprer made his in 2005.   day got totally whipsawed by Chretien in what 1998?.   Happens to all of them.</p>
<p>The Liberals need to ask why the last two OLO&#039;s have been so tone deaf to electoral reality?</p>
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