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By-election brouhaha

by Aaron Wherry on Monday, November 9, 2009 9:05pm - 78 Comments

Results to come at 10pm EST, comments closed until then. (Note: Results now in and updates below.)

In the meantime, there are allegations of shenanigans in Riviere-du-Loup.

And for the numerically inclined, here is how the parties fared in these four ridings combined the last time they were contested as they are tonight—using the 2008 results for three of the four, and the 2006 result for Cumberland.

Conservative 32.6%
Bloc Quebecois 23.6%
NDP 21.2%
Liberal 17.6%
Other 5.0%

That, if you’re particularly keen to make something of this, might be the most interesting benchmark to watch.

Update, 9:46pm. Several other people to keep an eye on tonight: the Star’s Susan Delacourt, our old friend Kady O’Malley at CBC, David Akin on Twitter, Alice Funke at Pundits’ Guide and Eric at ThreeHundredEight.com.

Update 10:00pm. First returns are in. Conservative Scott Armstrong takes Cumberland quite comfortably, though not quite by the same margin as his Bill Casey did three years ago. Hochelaga is a blowout. Montmagny is tight.

Update 10:12pm. In case you were wondering, an automatic recount is called if the margin of victory is less than .01% of votes cast. Recounts may also be requested if there is an allegation of impropriety.

Update 10:17pm. Congratulations, by the way, to the people of Cumberland on the impending arrival of federal stimulus funding.

Update 10:22pm. Key difference between the two Conservative candidates in Quebec tonight. Stephanie Cloutier’s website includes three pictures of the Prime Minister’s face. Bernard Genereux’s website features seven pictures of the Prime Minister’s face. Please try harder next time Ms. Cloutier.

Update 10:29pm. First results give the NDP a lead in New Westminster.

Update 10:31pm. Two important points about Daniel Paille, the new Bloc MP for Hochelaga. First, his beard might become the best beard in Parliament (sorry Thomas Mulcair). Second, he and Stephen Harper are well acquainted.

Update 10:50pm. Now that he looks a safe bet to win in Montmagny, we can perhaps start wondering just how interesting Bernard Genereux’s stay in Ottawa will be. From a recent CBC item on the Conservative candidate: Bernard Généreux, the former mayor of La Pocatière, turned Conservative candidate, is already addressing a group of 20 employees at a company called Bioglobe … he says he doesn’t agree with everything the Conservatives stand for. In fact, he says that’s why voters should send him to Ottawa, to change the party from the inside and make it better reflect Quebec values … Later on, while we’re sitting in his campaign van … Généreux won’t expand a whole lot about what he meant. He does say that he disagrees with the way the Conservatives are handling environmental issues.

Update 10:55pm. With all polls reporting in Cumberland, here’s how the numbers compare to 2006.

Conservative 45.8 (-6.2)
NDP 25.7 (+5)
Liberal 21.3 (-2.6)

Update 11:10pm. Fin Donnelly’s current margin in New Westminster—18 points as of this writing—would surpass the victories in 2006 and 2008 for Dawn Black. Perhaps a statement on the HST in British Columbia. Perhaps a victory for those who insist on the relevance of the actual candidate.

Update 11:16pm. Fin Donelly: not only Parliament’s first Fin, but possibly also one of its best swimmers.

Update 11:35pm. With 200 of 219 polls reporting in Hochelaga, here’s how the numbers compare to 2008.

Bloc Quebecois 50.8 (+1.1)
NDP 20.4 (+6.0)
Liberal 14.0 (-6.6)
Conservative 10.0 (+0.8)

Update 11:39pm. With 245 of 257 polls reporting in Montmagny, here’s how the numbers compare to 2008.

Conservative 42.4 (+11.8)
Bloc Quebecois 38.2 (-8.1)
Liberal 12.7 (-2.6)
NDP 4.9  (-0.6)

Update 11:50pm. Voter turnout percentages for the nine by-elections held during the last Parliament: 24.7, 27.9, 33.8, 24.5, 37.4, 46.8, 42.7, 42.2 and 37.1 Tonight’s turnouts appear to be on the low side of that range.

Update 12:01am. Scott Armstrong is apparently one of those foreign-educated elites. From his bioAfter completing his undergraduate degree, Scott went on to earn both a Master of Social Science Education from Florida State University, and a Ph.D. in Curriculum and Instruction from the University of Southern Mississippi.

Update 12:03am. Don Martin weighs inIf there’s been a harder push by a governing party to buy a seat or two that doesn’t mean very much in the greater scheme of things for Prime Minister Stephen Harper, it has escaped my fragile memory. Highway improvements for eastern Quebec, a missing-in-spawn salmon inquiry for B.C. and plenty of oversized Conservative cheque handouts backed by visiting Senate stars and radio commercials by Cabinet ministers in Nova Scotia — all in the pursuit of what senior government officials declared to be a four-way lost cause long before the polls closed.

Update 12:07am. Eric at 308 considers Montmagny. As I explained before, this riding does fit the profile of a Conservative Quebec riding, so I wouldn’t call this a “game changer”.

Update 12:12am. Wraps from the Globe, Canwest and Canadian Press.

Update 12:16am. With 210 of 225 polls reporting in New Westminster, here’s how the numbers compare to 2008.

NDP 50.5 (+8.7)
Conservative 36.1 (-2.7)
Liberal 9.0 (-2.3)
Green 4.4 (-2.8)

Update 1:04am. With all polls reporting, the turnouts for the four by-elections are 29.9, 36.6, 22.3 and 35.7 respectively.

Update 1:12am. Back then to the numbers we started the night with. Here are the cumulative vote percentages for the parties tonight with the difference from the last run in brackets.

Conservatives 35.7 (+3.1)
NDP 24.4 (+3.2)
Bloc Quebecois 20.8 (-2.8)
Liberal 14.7 (-2.9)
Other 4.3 (-0.7)

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/WDM WDM

    No surprise in CCMV. Strong Tory riding, and their candidate was a good friend of Casey who stood behind him in 2008 and the years previous. Glad too see him win.

    • Jesse

      Kind of a blow for the NDP.

      They were supposed to have all kinds of momentum after the provincial Nova Scotia results…

  • jarrid

    Looks like a barn-burner in tjhe Montmagny riding 39.3 to 39.1 for the Conservatives.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

      I think the Tories will take Montmagny. Just a hunch.

  • jarrid

    Cumberland returns to the Tory fold.

  • jarrid

    Montmagny 39.9 to 39.6 for the Bloc. This one might switch a few more times before it's over.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/WDM WDM

    Kind of a fabricated story from my perspective. The NDP threw out a largely unpopular government. Not taking away from that, they deserved to win, and remain a popular provincial government, I just don't think it was a sign of a grand ideological shift in usual Tory federal ridings (in fact they will stand side by side but Darryl Dexter's NDP and Jack Layton's NDP are two very different things)

  • Jesse

    The NDP should have done something to dampen down on that story line then because for the last two weeks all i've been hearing is how Darryl Dexter is out there campaigning and all the provincial seats in the federal riding went NDP.

    I guess they wanted to keep the story going to create enthusiasm though.

  • jarrid

    The Conservatives appear to pulling away in the Montmagny riding, now leading by more than a point – 40.6 to 39.4. It's nowhere near over but it appears to be an ever so slight trend.

  • jarrid

    More than half of the polling stations reporting in Montmagny, and the Conservatives lead 41.2 to 39.3. Very, very encouraging but very, very close.

  • jarrid

    Here's Susan Delacourt's burning question about the Montmagny race from her perch in downtown Toronto:

    "Question: The Conservatives presumably want to keep second place, at the least, so will it be a strong second, or will Liberals/NDP chip away at it?"

    Clueless as usual.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

      Very funny! Her comment on "Cumberland-Colchester-Musquodoboit Valley" is funny too: "Question: A simple one…Bill Casey's 68 per cent has to go somewhere. Who gets it?"

      • Richard

        Well, they kept at least second in Montmagny and they got Casey's vote in NS. So what "predictions" did she make that were oh so wrong?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

          She predicted the Cons would finish second in Montmagny. And she insinuated that the Nova Scotia riding was up for grabs, rather than the blow-out that it was.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/WDM WDM

    Very good night for the Tories in QC. I maintain tonight's results aren't some grand harbinger of things to come, but for the Conservatives the Riviere de Loup results have to be quite encouraging. Get a good local candidate (maybe even one willing to stray from the talking points?) and residents will take notice.

  • Style

    The Green party is still ahead of the Liberals in BC, and even further ahead of the Rhinos in Quebec. Still early going yet…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/hellomike hellomike

    Wow, you're right about that beard. Mulcair may as well shave his off entirely.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

    That picture you posted of Paille bears an uncanny resmeblemce to Yakov Smirnoff…..

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/tigerinexil1428 tigerinexile

    Looking good for the Tories tonight — have Harper & co. recovered all territory lost since last year? Looking very much like they have, and possibly a bit more…

    BC looks a bit wider a margin than I thought, but that's with only 3 polls of 225 up on my screen, so who knows?

    • Foreigner

      Voter turn-out:

      Cumberland–Colchester–Musquodoboit Valley: 35.7%
      Hochelaga: 18.6%
      Montmagny–L'Islet–Kamouraska–Rivière-du-Loup: 31.1%
      New Westminster–Coquitlam: too soon to report.

      A good night for the Conservatives indeed.

      • jarrid

        Nice to see a Liberal supporter finally show up on this thread.

        Do you think the Liberal candidate in New Wesminister will get to 10% enabling him to claim the 50% refund of campaign expenses from Elections Canada?

        I'm betting not.

      • Foreigner

        37 comments, 35 from "Jarrid."

  • Style

    Looks like the Greens will easily beat the Rhinos in Quebec, but they've fallen behind the Liberals in BC. It's a real nail-biter though…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/tigerinexil1428 tigerinexile

    Why aren't CTV Newsnet or CPAC doing live election night stuff?

    _Someone_ needs to cater to us political junkies…

    Or is there a source I'm missing?

    [I mean, really, reruns of Sesame St. interviews?! If you _had_ to do stuff other than election coverage, do Berlin Wall stuff...]

    • Lou

      Agree – totally pathetic news coverage by the MSM – nowhere found !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And they are crying about local TV

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/tigerinexil1428 tigerinexile

    I mean, I'm stuck hitting re-load here, at Kady O'Malley's post, and at the Elections Canada website…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

    The dominoe in Berlin were cool.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/VinceClortho VinceClortho

    Here they are

    [youtube nO20w_-yqHc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO20w_-yqHc youtube]

  • Style

    What happens to the election results if the identity theft accusations from Montmagny are substantiated?

  • jarrid

    Jarrid's election desk calls Montmagny – L'Islet – Kamouraska – Riviere-du-Loup for the Conservatives.

    Big win for the Conservatives in the Bloc`s backyard

  • jarrid

    The New Democrats are looking good in New Westminister.

    The Liberals and Green vote looks pretty low. It`s a tad early but this looks like a hold for the New Democrats at this juncture.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/TwoYen TwoYen

      Do New Democrats look good in orange?

  • Katherine

    Looks like a good night for the Conservatives, and, if the NDP manage to win in New West, a good night for the NDP as well. Not so good for the Bloc. Nobody really expected much from the Liberals anyway, but they appear to be doing worse than 2008 in both Quebec seats and worse than 2006 in NS (though given that nobody expected them to win, it's hard to see why their supporters would be all that motivated to turn out).

    To the degree that a byelection can tell us anything about a general election, this one mainly says that the Liberals are no longer the default federalist option in Quebec.

  • Style

    Liberals look set to finish behind the New Democrats in Hochelaga.

  • ahm

    Are by-election turnouts usually in the 35% range?

    • Katherine

      Probably depends on how close the race is or appears to be. For example, in 2008 there were 4 byelections and the highest turnout was 33%; the others were in the 25-27% range. But it was over 35% in all three 2007 byelections, up to the mid-40s in some.

      Turnout's lower in Hochelaga because that was always a solid Bloc riding, but the others were expected to at least be a contest so I guess more people turned out.

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