Comments on: The “Khadr effect” http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/ Canada's only national weekly current affairs magazine. Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:13:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Vira http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205697 Vira Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:59:23 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205697 As an immigrant I feel priviledged and grateful that I was accepted into Canada. My Canadian passport clearly outlines that should I go back to my country of birth and get caught in any political concern Canada will not be there to support me. If the Kadr family ran back to fight or support their cause or belief then tough, tough. They should suffer the consequences on their own and at their expense no matter how old they are. While it is easy to get sucked into the emotional sympathy tears of others, think twice of the possible consequences. Good for you Canada !! As an immigrant I feel priviledged and grateful that I was accepted into Canada. My Canadian passport clearly outlines that should I go back to my country of birth and get caught in any political concern Canada will not be there to support me. If the Kadr family ran back to fight or support their cause or belief then tough, tough. They should suffer the consequences on their own and at their expense no matter how old they are. While it is easy to get sucked into the emotional sympathy tears of others, think twice of the possible consequences. Good for you Canada !!

]]> By: bras minimizer http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205696 bras minimizer Mon, 11 Oct 2010 10:43:11 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205696 This article gives the light in which we can observe the reality. this is very nice one and gives indepth information. thanks for this nice article This article gives the light in which we can observe the reality. this is very nice one and gives indepth information. thanks for this nice article

]]> By: midhunboss http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205695 midhunboss Sun, 05 Sep 2010 09:21:43 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205695 It's a nice story and congratulations for getting through the move and the goodbyes. <a href="http://www.seo-directmail-lists.com" rel="nofollow">bulk mailing</a> It's a nice story and congratulations for getting through the move and the goodbyes.
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]]> By: Steven http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205694 Steven Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:53:08 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205694 The Gov should deport all the Kader klan to their home country where they will be delt with , in the right way .We as a country have spent way too much on this Family of terorsts get the out of this country.Would better spent money The Gov should deport all the Kader klan to their home country where they will be delt with , in the right way .We as a country have spent way too much on this Family of terorsts get the out of this country.Would better spent money

]]> By: Steven http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205693 Steven Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:00:18 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205693 Why are our all the people in gov. so willing to give admited killer a chance.At 15 years old he knew it was wrong to kill acourding to Ala. All the bleeding hearts should go back to Afghanistan, and see how thy like it Let the US courts deal with this admited killer. Too much effort spent on these terorsts . Canada is too soft on them no wonder all kinds terorsts come here. They just have to cry, and our bleeding hearts for give everying they did. Get real befor it is to late Why are our all the people in gov. so willing to give admited killer a chance.At 15 years old he knew it was wrong to kill acourding to Ala. All the bleeding hearts should go back to Afghanistan, and see how thy like it Let the US courts deal with this admited killer. Too much effort spent on these terorsts . Canada is too soft on them no wonder all kinds terorsts come here. They just have to cry, and our bleeding hearts for give everying they did. Get real befor it is to late

]]> By: jeremy http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205692 jeremy Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:59:16 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205692 child soldiers are beaten, abused, sometimes forced to kill their parents, drugged.... Is Khadr really a child soldier? child soldiers are beaten, abused, sometimes forced to kill their parents, drugged…. Is Khadr really a child soldier?

]]> By: johnny http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205691 johnny Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:01:48 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205691 you shut up! no one made you read this ya dick. you shut up! no one made you read this ya dick.

]]> By: Knuckle_Head http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205690 Knuckle_Head Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:07:04 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205690 McQuaig's criticism of unrestrained capitalism is right on the mark. As it has been practised in the US, capitalism has spread the gap between rich and poor that can never be healed. 99% of the wealth of that nation being held by less than 5% of the population is not only outrageous, but immoral. The deregulation of the financial sector that started under the reign of Reagan has caused not only a meltdown there, but the rest of the world. Right-wing ideologues such as yourself have never been on the receiving end of economic meltdowns to any great degree. It would do you the world of good to join the real working world for more than a summer job to experience what it's like for the majority of us. I am not saying that life in the Eastern Bloc was "pretty" or not wracked with greed at the top of the totalitarian gov'ts there, however the capitalist system as it has been practised in the US is only a world of smoke and mirrors. You can't shill for freedom and democracy while endorsing (or encouraging or preacticing) torture and illegal trials and have any semblance of ligitimacy. McQuaig's criticism of unrestrained capitalism is right on the mark. As it has been practised in the US, capitalism has spread the gap between rich and poor that can never be healed. 99% of the wealth of that nation being held by less than 5% of the population is not only outrageous, but immoral. The deregulation of the financial sector that started under the reign of Reagan has caused not only a meltdown there, but the rest of the world. Right-wing ideologues such as yourself have never been on the receiving end of economic meltdowns to any great degree. It would do you the world of good to join the real working world for more than a summer job to experience what it's like for the majority of us. I am not saying that life in the Eastern Bloc was "pretty" or not wracked with greed at the top of the totalitarian gov'ts there, however the capitalist system as it has been practised in the US is only a world of smoke and mirrors. You can't shill for freedom and democracy while endorsing (or encouraging or preacticing) torture and illegal trials and have any semblance of ligitimacy.

]]> By: Dieter http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205689 Dieter Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:54:10 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205689 No one has a monopoly on being an a-hole. But at least in an non politically correct democracy, freedom of expression can offer a beacon of hope that the truth may come out every now and then. try speaking you mind in Cuba, and if the secret police don't like what they hear, you could be charged with political insanity and locked up. Try speaking your mind behind closed doors in communist Czechoslovakia. All of a sudden you hear a knock on the door, the secret police arrive and direct everyone to a different room. They interview each person and ask what they were discussing. Then they compare notes. This is political correctness to the nth degree!! No one has a monopoly on being an a-hole. But at least in an non politically correct democracy, freedom of expression can offer a beacon of hope that the truth may come out every now and then. try speaking you mind in Cuba, and if the secret police don't like what they hear, you could be charged with political insanity and locked up. Try speaking your mind behind closed doors in communist Czechoslovakia. All of a sudden you hear a knock on the door, the secret police arrive and direct everyone to a different room. They interview each person and ask what they were discussing. Then they compare notes. This is political correctness to the nth degree!!

]]> By: Dieter http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205688 Dieter Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:48:04 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205688 Well said knuckle head, But if you understand the concept, you'd know that the Marxist want us to regress to a totalitarian state. The objective of a cultural Marxist is the same as a communist like Fidel, but the means are very different. have you ever read any of Linda McQuaig's dribble? She is totally fixated on the wrongs of capitalism, the errors of the market, and the position of the rich. Not once has she ever viewed like behind the iron Curtain. I have and it isn't pretty!! Well said knuckle head, But if you understand the concept, you'd know that the Marxist want us to regress to a totalitarian state. The objective of a cultural Marxist is the same as a communist like Fidel, but the means are very different. have you ever read any of Linda McQuaig's dribble? She is totally fixated on the wrongs of capitalism, the errors of the market, and the position of the rich. Not once has she ever viewed like behind the iron Curtain. I have and it isn't pretty!!

]]> By: Knuckle_Head http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205687 Knuckle_Head Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:14:30 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205687 Thank you "once a soldier" from another ex CF vet. Amazing how short-sighted many of our countrymen have become. Thank you "once a soldier" from another ex CF vet. Amazing how short-sighted many of our countrymen have become.

]]> By: Knuckle_Head http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205686 Knuckle_Head Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:06:49 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205686 I suppose that if I am to be characterized as a "cultural Marxist", that makes you Dieter a "cultural fascist". My father fought against the fascist (Nazi) forces of Germany in the second world war so that even clowns like you have the freedom to write this type of tripe. I suppose that if I am to be characterized as a "cultural Marxist", that makes you Dieter a "cultural fascist". My father fought against the fascist (Nazi) forces of Germany in the second world war so that even clowns like you have the freedom to write this type of tripe.

]]> By: Knuckle_Head http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205685 Knuckle_Head Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:01:21 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205685 Regardless of what you think, Canada is a signatory to the UN Converntion on Child Soldiers and has chosen to ignore its obligations to that charter. The federal gov't has chosen to ignore every Canadian court that has ruled that Khadr should be repatriated (and rehabilitated) here. Some democracy huh? My father didn't go to Europe in 1944 to defend the rights and freedoms of SOME Canadians; he fought (as did many others) for the rights and freedoms of ALL Canadians, including those of Omar Khadr. Regardless of what you think, Canada is a signatory to the UN Converntion on Child Soldiers and has chosen to ignore its obligations to that charter. The federal gov't has chosen to ignore every Canadian court that has ruled that Khadr should be repatriated (and rehabilitated) here. Some democracy huh? My father didn't go to Europe in 1944 to defend the rights and freedoms of SOME Canadians; he fought (as did many others) for the rights and freedoms of ALL Canadians, including those of Omar Khadr.

]]> By: Holly Stick http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205684 Holly Stick Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:12:17 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205684 Did you ever hear of the presumption of innonce until proven guilty? The kid has never had a trial. He was probably tortured by the Americans. And the evidence suggests that he was framed for murder. Did you ever hear of the presumption of innonce until proven guilty? The kid has never had a trial. He was probably tortured by the Americans. And the evidence suggests that he was framed for murder.

]]> By: Holly Stick http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205683 Holly Stick Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:09:51 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205683 The notwithstanding clause? You don't actually understand how Canada works, do you? The notwithstanding clause? You don't actually understand how Canada works, do you?

]]> By: Simon http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205682 Simon Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:12:54 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205682 A point of clarification. Chertien did not intervene on behalf of the elder Khadr other that to request a fair trial for him. The request was granted and the Pakistani police released him on lack of evidence. There is a conscious effort to misrepresent this ordeal. It is not unreasonable for heads of state to demand habeas corpus for detained nationals. A point of clarification. Chertien did not intervene on behalf of the elder Khadr other that to request a fair trial for him. The request was granted and the Pakistani police released him on lack of evidence. There is a conscious effort to misrepresent this ordeal. It is not unreasonable for heads of state to demand habeas corpus for detained nationals.

]]> By: francisco http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205681 francisco Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:03:20 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205681 so according to you;although he killed someone;the americans should go soft on him;cuz he was a (child soldier) of only 15 yrs of age!!when do 15 yr olds start taking responsibilty for what they do?? do you also think (cuz he was only 15)that he coulnt understand the hatred that his immediate family had against christianity or the teachings of his koran book??? in my beliefs (yuo do the crime;you do the time;period!! enough excuses for these 15 yr olds! if he is found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt;let him rot in prison;this (nicer man that you say that you have never met!! what a gullable one you are;how did bernie madoff miss you?? so according to you;although he killed someone;the americans should go soft on him;cuz he was a (child soldier) of only 15 yrs of age!!when do 15 yr olds start taking responsibilty for what they do?? do you also think (cuz he was only 15)that he coulnt understand the hatred that his immediate family had against christianity or the teachings of his koran book??? in my beliefs (yuo do the crime;you do the time;period!! enough excuses for these 15 yr olds! if he is found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt;let him rot in prison;this (nicer man that you say that you have never met!! what a gullable one you are;how did bernie madoff miss you??

]]> By: VinceClortho http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205680 VinceClortho Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:53:06 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205680 Sigh...here we go again....and the definition that the International Criminal Court uses for Child Soldiers is Under 15, He is not a child soldier, how many times is this lie going to be repeated, including in front of the Supreme Court of Canada. And logically, if he is, where are the criminal indictments for any one of a number of Al Queda operatives for using, recruiting etc child soldiers? Including his mother? I will say again that the definitions being used to charge Thomas Lubanga in th ICC regarding Child Soldiers are for UNDER 15. These are the only operative definitions being used in the world today, though many wish the age raised. Sigh…here we go again….and the definition that the International Criminal Court uses for Child Soldiers is Under 15,

He is not a child soldier, how many times is this lie going to be repeated, including in front of the Supreme Court of Canada.

And logically, if he is, where are the criminal indictments for any one of a number of Al Queda operatives for using, recruiting etc child soldiers? Including his mother?

I will say again that the definitions being used to charge Thomas Lubanga in th ICC regarding Child Soldiers are for UNDER 15. These are the only operative definitions being used in the world today, though many wish the age raised.

]]> By: mike http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205679 mike Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:50:08 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205679 How do we ''REPATRIATE'' someone who had no ''PATRIOTIC'' feelings for our wonderful Country Canada in the first place ?? How do you ''REPATRIATE'' someone who,s ''PATRIOTISM'' lies with Allah and Islam and who thinks it,s just peachy to kill innocent people in their names and go to heaven and collect their vestal virgins ?? How do you ''REPATRIATE'' someone who,s whole family were only Canadians for the convenience of a Passport and all the wonderful rights it holds ?? Why is it that Canada has to prove our ''LOYALTY '' to these people who spoke our Oath of Allegiance with as much sincerity as wiping dog crap from ones shoe and continually since have done nothing for Canada only to bring shame and terror and suspicion upon other Muslim Canadians and to publicly voice their hatred and scorn for us ?? Why should Canada prove anything to them when they,ve done SQUAT for Canada but shame us ?? How do we ''REPATRIATE'' someone who had no ''PATRIOTIC'' feelings for our wonderful Country Canada in the first place ?? How do you ''REPATRIATE'' someone who,s ''PATRIOTISM'' lies with Allah and Islam and who thinks it,s just peachy to kill innocent people in their names and go to heaven and collect their vestal virgins ?? How do you ''REPATRIATE'' someone who,s whole family were only Canadians for the convenience of a Passport and all the wonderful rights it holds ??
Why is it that Canada has to prove our ''LOYALTY '' to these people who spoke our Oath of Allegiance with as much sincerity as wiping dog crap from ones shoe and continually since have done nothing for Canada only to bring shame and terror and suspicion upon other Muslim Canadians and to publicly voice their hatred and scorn for us ?? Why should Canada prove anything to them when they,ve done SQUAT for Canada but shame us ??

]]> By: Charles Hopper http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205678 Charles Hopper Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:28:25 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205678 You all see to forget he was a child of 15 at the time of arrest he was also so badly wounded by American soldiers during the fight he was expected to die. Think about it, other child soldiers in the world are recognized as being exploited by manipulative adults who abuse and threaten the children into committing horrific crimes. These children are being rehabilitated and given support so they can recover from this abuse. Why do you all think Khadr is so different to these other children? You all see to forget he was a child of 15 at the time of arrest he was also so badly wounded by American soldiers during the fight he was expected to die. Think about it, other child soldiers in the world are recognized as being exploited by manipulative adults who abuse and threaten the children into committing horrific crimes. These children are being rehabilitated and given support so they can recover from this abuse. Why do you all think Khadr is so different to these other children?

]]> By: Raging Ranter http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205677 Raging Ranter Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:46:15 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205677 Omar Kadr. Charles Ng. Human rights types choose the strangest symbols to rally around. Omar Kadr. Charles Ng. Human rights types choose the strangest symbols to rally around.

]]> By: Raging Ranter http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205676 Raging Ranter Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:29:08 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205676 You sound almost as though you are looking forward to the end of the western empire. I can see why. Those non-westernized nations are just so much more enlightened than we are. You sound almost as though you are looking forward to the end of the western empire. I can see why. Those non-westernized nations are just so much more enlightened than we are.

]]> By: shrilankalanka http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205675 shrilankalanka Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:00:21 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205675 As a realist you seem to have blinkers. The previous and continuous errors of Canada to shelter and support terrorists has to stop at some point. Canada's own laws seem to be working against the rights of the non-terrorist population. Why does Canada need this terrorist and his terrorist family? Giving terrorist Canadian citizenships is immoral and goes against my Charter rights. I do applaud the PM and the government for at least this one time standing on the right side of the equation. We don't need Kader and his kind. We have more terrorists than we can use. As a realist you seem to have blinkers. The previous and continuous errors of Canada to shelter and support terrorists has to stop at some point. Canada's own laws seem to be working against the rights of the non-terrorist population. Why does Canada need this terrorist and his terrorist family? Giving terrorist Canadian citizenships is immoral and goes against my Charter rights. I do applaud the PM and the government for at least this one time standing on the right side of the equation. We don't need Kader and his kind. We have more terrorists than we can use.

]]> By: DanielShays http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205674 DanielShays Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:57:11 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205674 Kadr isn't a "Canadian citizen arrested in another Country" That's Conrad Black you are thinking of.Kadr is a viscous animal who voluntarily hauled himself off to bear arms ( and commit treason) against Canada and its allies in a theater of war that was none of his business to begin with. Harper is 100% to let him rot where he is and the author of this piece is to be commended for how he laughs in the face of ridicule Kadr isn't a "Canadian citizen arrested in another Country" That's Conrad Black you are thinking of.Kadr is a viscous animal who voluntarily hauled himself off to bear arms ( and commit treason) against Canada and its allies in a theater of war that was none of his business to begin with. Harper is 100% to let him rot where he is and the author of this piece is to be commended for how he laughs in the face of ridicule

]]> By: HarveyMushman http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205673 HarveyMushman Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:31:09 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205673 There's no "selling out" involved. He's been charged with a serious crime and should have his day in court against his accusers. Looks like that's what he's getting. Using the power of the government of Canada to "save" him from facing his day in court seems a foolhardy precedent to set. Let him go to trial. Don't like or trust "their" justice system to deliver the verdict you happen to wish for...so bring him home? Well...you'd better be prepared then to yank every Canadian out of just about every other jurisdiction in the world when they're charged with a crime. Any country who doesn't happen to meet all of Canada's legal standards will be deemed "unfit" to try a Canadian. I'm sure lots of Canadians would love to have this sort of "diplomatic immunity" to escape prosecution around the world...but I doubt it would do much for our standing in the world. But hey...maybe instead of sustaining our economy on international trade we could do it with international piracy and plunder eh matey? In any case...this is all a moot discussion. He's heading back to the US to face trial...as he should. There's no "selling out" involved.

He's been charged with a serious crime and should have his day in court against his accusers. Looks like that's what he's getting. Using the power of the government of Canada to "save" him from facing his day in court seems a foolhardy precedent to set.

Let him go to trial. Don't like or trust "their" justice system to deliver the verdict you happen to wish for…so bring him home? Well…you'd better be prepared then to yank every Canadian out of just about every other jurisdiction in the world when they're charged with a crime. Any country who doesn't happen to meet all of Canada's legal standards will be deemed "unfit" to try a Canadian.

I'm sure lots of Canadians would love to have this sort of "diplomatic immunity" to escape prosecution around the world…but I doubt it would do much for our standing in the world. But hey…maybe instead of sustaining our economy on international trade we could do it with international piracy and plunder eh matey?

In any case…this is all a moot discussion. He's heading back to the US to face trial…as he should.

]]> By: what goes around http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205672 what goes around Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:46:53 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205672 Ah finally I understand. Canadians can be sold out for fear of economic reprisal. Guilt or innocence are irrelevant. If you threaten us with economic sanctions and you can do whatever you want to our nationals. Forgive me for pointing out that even a vile dictator like Kim of North Korea has more self respect than that. Ah finally I understand. Canadians can be sold out for fear of economic reprisal. Guilt or innocence are irrelevant. If you threaten us with economic sanctions and you can do whatever you want to our nationals. Forgive me for pointing out that even a vile dictator like Kim of North Korea has more self respect than that.

]]> By: what goes around http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205671 what goes around Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:37:22 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205671 One thing should be noted: the Taliban are currently defeating Nato and are likely to win. I wonder if they will set up kangaroo courts to try the defeated (us) once they are back in Kabul. Of course they will have to extradite Karzai from his villa on the French riviera where most western puppets retire. We are in the waning days of the western empire. The days when we could order the natives about at our whim are gone. We had a pretty good run though: five hundred years of lording it over everyone else was not to bad. I just hope our former subjects and slaves in Africa and Asia dont hold grudges. One thing should be noted: the Taliban are currently defeating Nato and are likely to win. I wonder if they will set up kangaroo courts to try the defeated (us) once they are back in Kabul. Of course they will have to extradite Karzai from his villa on the French riviera where most western puppets retire. We are in the waning days of the western empire. The days when we could order the natives about at our whim are gone. We had a pretty good run though: five hundred years of lording it over everyone else was not to bad. I just hope our former subjects and slaves in Africa and Asia dont hold grudges.

]]> By: HarveyMushman http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205670 HarveyMushman Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:48:55 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205670 Well...as of a few minutes ago the news is that poor little Omar will be leaving Gitmo and heading to US soil to face charges in a US military court. I sort of doubt with those plans already in place Obama is going to give Omar a "get out of jail free" card anytime soon, even if our Supreme court rules that we have to ask for one. One of Obama's main weaknesses within the US is that he has been labeled "soft on terrorism." The last thing he'll want to do is foster that impression by setting Omar free. (And if you're thinking Omar will see the inside of a courtroom in Canada...well, he probably will but only as the litigant, not the defendant. $$$) Remember the fallout from Ghadafi and Libya for giving a "hero's welcome" to the "Lockerbie Bomber?" Imagine the backlash in the US if Omar is returned to his (inevitable) "hero's welcome" here at Pearson? You think "buy American" and "border security" are issues now? You ain't seen nothin' yet. Well…as of a few minutes ago the news is that poor little Omar will be leaving Gitmo and heading to US soil to face charges in a US military court.

I sort of doubt with those plans already in place Obama is going to give Omar a "get out of jail free" card anytime soon, even if our Supreme court rules that we have to ask for one. One of Obama's main weaknesses within the US is that he has been labeled "soft on terrorism." The last thing he'll want to do is foster that impression by setting Omar free. (And if you're thinking Omar will see the inside of a courtroom in Canada…well, he probably will but only as the litigant, not the defendant. $$$)

Remember the fallout from Ghadafi and Libya for giving a "hero's welcome" to the "Lockerbie Bomber?" Imagine the backlash in the US if Omar is returned to his (inevitable) "hero's welcome" here at Pearson? You think "buy American" and "border security" are issues now? You ain't seen nothin' yet.

]]> By: once a soldier http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205669 once a soldier Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:11:46 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205669 By the way the rule of law is as fundamental a principle of our society as is representative democracy and invidual freedom. When you attack it or any other aspect of the country you attack the country. On remembrance day we remember those who died to defend these principles. Have we become such cowards that we would surrender these democratic freedoms from fear of a young man who may or may not be guilty of a crime (there have been many accusations but as yet no conviction) when our fathers and grandfathers did not flinch from confronting the armies and navies of tyrants in the defence of these same freedoms? I served in our forces in defence of these principles. I find it disturbing that so many of my fellow citizens prefer tyranny to the freedoms others have bought with their lives. By the way the rule of law is as fundamental a principle of our society as is representative democracy and invidual freedom. When you attack it or any other aspect of the country you attack the country. On remembrance day we remember those who died to defend these principles. Have we become such cowards that we would surrender these democratic freedoms from fear of a young man who may or may not be guilty of a crime (there have been many accusations but as yet no conviction) when our fathers and grandfathers did not flinch from confronting the armies and navies of tyrants in the defence of these same freedoms? I served in our forces in defence of these principles. I find it disturbing that so many of my fellow citizens prefer tyranny to the freedoms others have bought with their lives.

]]> By: Mike T. http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205668 Mike T. Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:49:54 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205668 I agree. I agree.

]]> By: Dakota http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205667 Dakota Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:24:35 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205667 Why do Liberals feel the need to support terrorists and terrorist organizations? Why do Liberals feel the need to support terrorists and terrorist organizations?

]]> By: the realist http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205666 the realist Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:41:58 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205666 Actually the split is between those who support the rule of law and those who prefer the rule of Harper. For those who are unfamiliar with the concept of the rule of law I can suggest some readings starting with the Magna Carta. My copy is in latin but I am sure translated versions can easily be found on the internet. The gist of the thing is that even kings 9(or would be kings) are subject to the laws of the land. They cannot pick and choose which ones they will or wont enforce. If the PM or CSIS are not happy with the fact that they are not only subject to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (aka the law of the land) then they can go looking for jobs that they may be more qualified for. The PM can always go back to the NCC. As for the incompetants at CSIS, I am sure the are lots of Malls around looking for security personnel though I am not sure the average CSIS agent could meet the high standards required of Mall Cops. Actually the split is between those who support the rule of law and those who prefer the rule of Harper. For those who are unfamiliar with the concept of the rule of law I can suggest some readings starting with the Magna Carta. My copy is in latin but I am sure translated versions can easily be found on the internet. The gist of the thing is that even kings 9(or would be kings) are subject to the laws of the land. They cannot pick and choose which ones they will or wont enforce. If the PM or CSIS are not happy with the fact that they are not only subject to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (aka the law of the land) then they can go looking for jobs that they may be more qualified for. The PM can always go back to the NCC. As for the incompetants at CSIS, I am sure the are lots of Malls around looking for security personnel though I am not sure the average CSIS agent could meet the high standards required of Mall Cops.

]]> By: danby http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205665 danby Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:45:06 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205665 Yet there was a lot of open debate and communication during the GWB era? Yet there was a lot of open debate and communication during the GWB era?

]]> By: Judge Roy Bean http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205664 Judge Roy Bean Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:14:50 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205664 Dieter--you are bang on. The same cancer permeats the Americans Presidents Washington 'mafia'. Unfortunately I think we are going to wind up in some sort of civil war in North America. The left are so far out there is hardly any talking anymore. We are some of the most privileged people in the world yet super-rich American Hollywood types feel the need to suck up to Castro against their own country. Unbelivable madness. Dieter–you are bang on. The same cancer permeats the Americans Presidents Washington 'mafia'. Unfortunately I think we are going to wind up in some sort of civil war in North America. The left are so far out there is hardly any talking anymore. We are some of the most privileged people in the world yet super-rich American Hollywood types feel the need to suck up to Castro against their own country. Unbelivable madness.

]]> By: Fakirs Canada http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205663 Fakirs Canada Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:43:21 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205663 This is a very well-written, fair and knowledgeable article. This is a very well-written, fair and knowledgeable article.

]]> By: kc http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205662 kc Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:26:22 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205662 No, we'll put him in yours. Unless you promise never, ever to use that worn out, tiresome old line again. No, we’ll put him in yours. Unless you promise never, ever to use that worn out, tiresome old line again.

]]> By: Craig O http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205661 Craig O Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:04:49 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205661 Ya know, we have jails here too. If he committed a crime and is a danger to society, we do have place to put him to deal with both those issues. If not, then he shouldn't be in jail. This has nothing to do with Marxism, but simple rule of law. Ya know, we have jails here too. If he committed a crime and is a danger to society, we do have place to put him to deal with both those issues. If not, then he shouldn't be in jail. This has nothing to do with Marxism, but simple rule of law.

]]> By: eneri http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205660 eneri Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:58:30 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205660 eneri whoever takes him back.Take him into your house. eneri whoever takes him back.Take him into your house.

]]> By: Mccluth http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205659 Mccluth Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:50:54 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205659 Can the canadian government exercise the notwithstanding clause in this matter?. I truly think that the foreign affairs of a country should be left to the elected officials, and not to a group of people with no accountability for their decisions. Can the canadian government exercise the notwithstanding clause in this matter?. I truly think that the foreign affairs of a country should be left to the elected officials, and not to a group of people with no accountability for their decisions.

]]> By: madeyoulook http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205658 madeyoulook Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:44:22 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205658 <i>Ottawa’s lawyers may also point out—as they did in front of the Federal Court of Appeal—that if Harper did ask for Khadr’s return, there is “one chance in a million” that the U.S. would even agree.</i> I have a feeling "one-in-a-million" is a major underestimate of the odds. <i>But it’s also true that Ottawa doesn’t want to ask for Khadr back because they’re terrified the Americans just might say yes.</i> I have a feeling this is closer to reality. Ottawa’s lawyers may also point out—as they did in front of the Federal Court of Appeal—that if Harper did ask for Khadr’s return, there is “one chance in a million” that the U.S. would even agree. I have a feeling "one-in-a-million" is a major underestimate of the odds.

But it’s also true that Ottawa doesn’t want to ask for Khadr back because they’re terrified the Americans just might say yes. I have a feeling this is closer to reality.

]]> By: kc http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205657 kc Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:30:30 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205657 Cultural marxists! Yeesh...that's a new label...I prefer respecters of the law. You're right...it isn't as catchy. Cultural marxists! Yeesh…that’s a new label…I prefer respecters of the law. You’re right…it isn’t as catchy.

]]> By: Dieter http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205656 Dieter Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:39:54 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205656 There is a growing schism in Canada with cultural Marxists on one side and those wanting stability, predictability and confidence, on the other. The Marxist are the politically correct camp, and part of their strategy, according to Antonio Gramsci, is to undermine societies values by turning them into their antithesis. In other words black changes to white,. With this mindset, if one doesn't want kadar back because they feel he is a security threat, the left will call one a racist or use some other type of derogatory statement in order to intimidate you, silence you and allow them to control the language. There is a growing schism in Canada with cultural Marxists on one side and those wanting stability, predictability and confidence, on the other. The Marxist are the politically correct camp, and part of their strategy, according to Antonio Gramsci, is to undermine societies values by turning them into their antithesis. In other words black changes to white,. With this mindset, if one doesn't want kadar back because they feel he is a security threat, the left will call one a racist or use some other type of derogatory statement in order to intimidate you, silence you and allow them to control the language.

]]> By: kcm http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205655 kcm Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:33:45 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205655 " Ottawa’s lawyers may also point out—as they did in front of the Federal Court of Appeal—that if Harper did ask for Khadr’s return, there is “one chance in a million” that the U.S. would even agree." What an utterly pathetic excuse! It's shameful and embarassing! Man, what a truly bizarre story. " Ottawa’s lawyers may also point out—as they did in front of the Federal Court of Appeal—that if Harper did ask for Khadr’s return, there is “one chance in a million” that the U.S. would even agree."

What an utterly pathetic excuse! It's shameful and embarassing!
Man, what a truly bizarre story.

]]> By: Lobbycanada http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205654 Lobbycanada Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:14:28 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205654 This is the most important part of the article "Today, however, Omar is looking less and less like a murderer. Newly released photographs reveal that he was badly wounded and buried under the rubble of a U.S. air strike at the same time he supposedly threw the grenade. Even if he did kill Sgt. Speer, his age—15 years old—means he was a child soldier at the time, and not legally responsible for his actions. And killer or no killer, seven years in a legal black hole is probably punishment enough." This is the most important part of the article
“Today, however, Omar is looking less and less like a murderer. Newly released photographs reveal that he was badly wounded and buried under the rubble of a U.S. air strike at the same time he supposedly threw the grenade. Even if he did kill Sgt. Speer, his age—15 years old—means he was a child soldier at the time, and not legally responsible for his actions. And killer or no killer, seven years in a legal black hole is probably punishment enough.”

]]> By: Justin K. http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/the-%e2%80%9ckhadr-effect%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-205653 Justin K. Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:09:27 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=92281#comment-205653 How the hell do you know that Harper is afraid of this idiot? Work on your headlines a bit more. The press these days sure think they know everything about our political leaders thoughts, fears, truths etc. Here is a clue: You do not know. Shut up already. How the hell do you know that Harper is afraid of this idiot? Work on your headlines a bit more. The press these days sure think they know everything about our political leaders thoughts, fears, truths etc. Here is a clue: You do not know. Shut up already.

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