The flu shot screw-up

Can Canada’s vaccination plan be fixed before it’s too late?

by Michael Friscolanti and Cathy Gulli on Monday, November 16, 2009 8:00am - 34 Comments

The answer depends on whom you believe. A debate is brewing between experts over the likelihood of a third wave. In previous pandemics, a more serious winter wave followed the autumn one. If that happens again, the H1N1 vaccine would still offer protection during the next round of infection.

But Schabas insists that the notion of a third wave is nonsense, a convenient theory to alleviate our surprise at how few people have actually died. He is so convinced we won’t see another round of pandemic H1N1 that he is considering telling healthy people in his area not to bother getting vaccinated. Fisman, who conducts mathematical modelling for MITACS, a Canadian research network, says his calculations also do not point to a third wave. But he is careful with his forecast because he says there may still be isolated pockets of H1N1 in the coming months.

Even if there is no third wave, experts argue that getting the pandemic shot is still important because there is a good chance H1N1 will become part of future seasonal flus, including what may come next fall. Dr. Monika Naus, an epidemiologist and director at the B.C. Centre for Disease Control, also predicts that H1N1 will become part of “the fabric of circulating strains for quite a while to come.” In fact, Naus says that there is “every expectation” that the World Health Organization will recommend that H1N1 be incorporated into the next seasonal vaccine.

Whatever comes next, everyone acknowledges this much: the H1N1 strain has provided a test run for public health authorities, an opportunity to learn a few hard lessons about what Canada can do better next time. Many health experts are calling for a complete rethink of how we deliver shots, even suggesting the creation of a national immunization program that would require all the provinces and local health units to roll out the pandemic flu vaccine in the same way. Crowcroft admits that it borders on blasphemy to propose that provincial and local authorities bow down to federal rules about their own well-being, but she’s not a fan of differentiation for its sake alone. “It doesn’t make a lot of sense to have different approaches. I know that goes against the Constitution of Canada, but it might have made some issues a lot easier.” Adds Scheifele: “It confuses the daylights out of the public when one province is saying one thing and the adjacent province is saying something else. There are lots of points where you wish there was just a czar who said: ‘We’re doing it this way.’ ”

For now, the experts are just happy that H1N1 hasn’t been the catastrophe that health authorities have been bracing for-—and had in mind when they wrote the frightening federal pandemic plan. “I’m grateful that it’s not the 1918 pandemic, that the mortality rates aren’t higher,” says Naus. “If we had that kind of situation in this type of vaccine supply we’d be in a much harder place.”

Much harder. What if a dozen Evan Frustaglios had died in the arms of their helpless parents? What if triple the number of fear-stricken people showed up at the country’s understaffed, under-supplied flu clinics? What if their frustration at being turned away led to violence? And what if—despite the best efforts of GSK—something else went wrong at the production plant and vaccines suddenly stopped flowing?

The answer, unfortunately, is that we would be pumping out the flu shot at much the same pace as we are right now. Of course, if this was a deadlier pandemic, many other measures would be implemented immediately. Schools, social centres and places of employment would close down, quarantines would be ordered at the first sign of infection, and the national stockpile of antivirals would be deployed en masse. And squabbling over who deserves the flu shot first would soon be trumped by unthinkable choices over who gets the last life-saving ventilator—the 65-year-old man with a bad heart, or the 21-year-old woman with a whole life to live?

Maybe the lineups aren’t so bad.

With Nicholas Köhler and John Geddes

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

    What if a dozen Evan Frustaglios had died in the arms of their helpless parents?

    Well, that's the rub, eh? And for "a dozen" substitute "10 000." Let's say there were some horrible plague out there that could kill you overnight and that had, oh, a 1 in 3 mortality rate; and let's say it were spreading. And there's a vaccine and, gee, we've got 50 million doses. My question is, would the logistics still be so insurmountable as they are now or would everyone involved, from the nurse to the Premiers to the PM, do a rather better job?

    It seems to me that if Napoleon, in 1809, was able to march an army of 80 000 men along the Danube, organising that massive operation by hand-written orders and horse courier, so that no division, no battalion overlapped with any other, it is possible to distribute a vaccine to 30 million people in a month.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

      "would the logistics still be so insurmountable as they are now?"

      I am assuming/hoping(???) public health authorities were not going as fast as possible. I have not had the jab but my impression is that there was no sense of urgency, people had to fill out paperwork and odd opening hours. I wondered why they didn't open up gymnasiums, bring in a bunch of nurses and do conveyor-belt style – 30 seconds per person.

      As always, bureaucracy was more concerned with its own rules and comfort instead of being focused on getting people vaccinated as quickly as possible.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

        Yes, it's clearly being handled with an urgency proportionate to the mortality rate (or slightly below). I just wish they'd used H1N1 as a test run for what we'd do in the case of a serious epidemic. One of those is coming, after all, and when it does an efficient, tested vaccination system might well save hundreds of thousands of lives.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

          "A DEADLY plague could sweep across Europe, doctors fear, after an outbreak of a virus in Ukraine plunged the country and its neighbours into a state of panic.

          A cocktail of three flu viruses are reported to have mutated into a single pneumonic plague, which it is believed may be far more dangerous than swine flu. The death toll has reached 189 and more than 1 million people have been infected, most of them in the nine regions of Western Ukraine."

          http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/140492/Millio…

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            Great. And apparently vodka is powerless to stop it.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

            If you do the math, it has killed 189 and a million have been infected. so 1 in 10000 is the morality rate. That is lower mortality than swine flu, which is lower mortality than seasonal flu. So it looks like just another senseless mass hysteria, just like swine flu. It seems people these days are on the edge of panic at all times.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            But eventually a bug like the Spanish flu (or worse) will arrive, no? And it does look like we'll be in some trouble when that happens.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

            Well, then, H1N1 is a GIFT to the public health people to survey this "rehearsal" and pick up the lessons for the next one.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

            Maybe, but on the other hand, sooner or later people may become ambivalent, as the list of false alarms grows bigger. It doesn't look like we're anywhere near that though, people today seem to be searching for disasters, almost as if they are hoping for them.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

            That's what the experts are saying. I'm not so sure we will be in trouble, but frankly, it does seem possible. In the mean-time, we appear to be playing a long-running reproduction of the boy who cried wolf. When the wolf arrives, we may be less prepared thanks to these mass hysterias.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

    No plan survives first contact with the enemy, which is another way of saying that there is a huge difference between planning and execution.

    The planning was done, but the execution was left to bureaucrats who'd never had their livelihood depend on getting things right.

  • peter

    The experience in the southern hemisphere, where winter is just ending was benign. Mortality was low, transmition was spotty and the hype was exposed.

    Meanwhile, the media studiously ignored real world experience in Australia new Zealand etc. and continued the drum beat of doom. My heart goes out to the family of the young boy who died and nothing I can say can ease their loss, but my children are fine.

    If I were a bureaucrat looking for more funding is this the kind of situation I would promote? Everyone knows that fear sells. Irrational fear sells best of all.

    • Ryan

      Great message peter. I also don't like how some in the media are trying to stir up some kind of outrage towards the Federal Government. Polls have shown people are OK with the Feds but not with the media.

      Personally, I kind of enjoy the resentment towards the media, because it IS overblown coverage, but the media still doesn't seem to listen. Then again, I enjoy reading articles about how the media overhypes.. what a vicious circle.

  • Nurse

    As a nurse who is working on the front lines administering this vaccine to the masses, I do agree that the plan has its flaws but we are doing our absolute best in order to keep people from waiting in long lines. I have personally been working seven days a week giving shots and am tired but will keep going until everyone who wants their shot in my city has one. I hope that the general public is not lumping the nurses who are administering the vaccine into the same category as those who have been "planning for the pandemic" because we can only follow orders and try to keep on top of the lines. Remember that many of the nurses are working long hours and don't get angry or frustrated with them! Thank the nurse whose chair you sit in, I know I appreciate the thank you it makes this stressful time a little more bearable.

    • bev

      I have an unemployed well qualified nurse as a friend, she called to see if she could help, her answer was she was overqualified. This was in the Toronto area.

  • RagingRanter

    The media in France and Britain are scarcely paying attention to the H1N1 "crisis". It's not that no one has died there. Some have. It just seems the media there (even the rabid British tabloids) have taken a more mature, measured tone in covering it. While it's major news here, it hardly registers in the conciousness of most Europeans. In France, the few vaccine clinics they have opened are poorly attended. My own doctor gave me the regular flu shot on Thursday and advised me not to bother with the H1N1 shot, as the whole thing was completely overblown. Apparently he was interviewed on CBC and he said the same thing, though I have not seen the clip myself.

    It's not just H1N1 that kills young people. Young healthy people sometimes fall to the seasonal flu. But when a young person dies of the "regular" seasonal flu, it rarely makes the news.

  • RagingRanter

    From the National Post:

    Reporting in this month's Harvard Health Letter, Harvard University researchers said data from the United States shows the death rate for H1N1 is one death for every 2,000 people who develop symptoms. The death rate for seasonal flu is about one death for every 1,000 to 2,000 infections.

  • wayne moores

    I can't help but wonder if some of the TV media generated hysteria isn't partially caused by TV execs desperate to have government impliment a TV Tax or get their grubby fingers on the cable companies loot. After all they are providing all this vital "news" and the more people they can scare the more important they can seem. If they didn't have this boogieman to trot out over and over and over, they wouldn't have anything to talk about. The other night after the latest miffed person who stood around some cold arena at 4 am and didn't get their shot was interviewed, the next "news" item was about Aunt Bessie's porcillin doll collection up Picou way(I kid you not). With out the flu I guess that would have been the lead story.

    • peter

      It's not like all those full-page ads are being given away either or the all the spots on TV

  • Jill

    And what about the non-protective garments that front-line H1N1 healthcare workers wear in hospital? There are gowns available in the industry that meet international standards against viral penetration and blood borne pathogens – such as Provent 10,000 gowns made by US company, Kappler, for instance – but healtcare workers continue to wear regular-issue, non-protective garb. Shouldn't keeping healthcare workers / nurses healthy matter a great deal? …then the atmosphere in the hospital is a lot healthier for everyone.

    I've heard better suits cost a few dollars more than the normal protective suits, but saving a few dollars this way is false economics. Statistics from a Cambridge, MA–based Institute for Healthcare Improvement show it costs a U.S. hospital between $50,000 and $100,000 to replace one nurse, not including salary. So which do we want to spend money on… better protective equipment for current staff… or replacements for the sick?

    • wayne moores

      Are you saying we should have all hospital nurses in hazmat suits with breathing regulators? For what? I can't swear to it but of the 100 or so people who have died, I don't think any of them were frontline hospital staff administering the shots. Regardless, just reported Canada is far ahead of any other country in percentage of residents vaccinated. Fed. Health Minister reports some of the more vulnerable communities in the north have essentially finished getting their shots. I guess the Harper haters will have to find something else to blame on him. Most of the country will be finished getting their shots by Xmas. Then the TV "news" people will have to find a new boogieman to scare everyone with.

  • Raging Ranter

    Jolyon, that story on the Ukraine outbreak is fascinating. And it's generating no coverage here in North America at all. When the swine flu outbreak was first discovered in Mexico, it was big news at once, and the din never died down. Now the media is still squacking about discarded vaccines and long lineups, and completely missing a story which may be truly important. As is their nature.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/WildTuesday WildTuesday

      its an intentional populashun control thing…heard some jewish scientist told everyone about it when he called into some LA radio statio. he ended up in a 8 hour police standoff and then was shippped off to Isreal…true story….

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/WildTuesday WildTuesday

    anyone notice the knuklehead with the mask on…haha…h1n1 wont be stopped with some silly little surgical mask…i love watching morons do stupid thinkgs….

  • Jack Van Meggelen

    The latest headline about the flu shot screw-up should have been called the "Fly Shot Brouhaha". It would have reflected reality a whole lot more than "screw-up"

  • hosertohoosier

    In a fair world, the people who said the government should have ordered more doses would be eating crow right about now… But its not a fair world, so lets all panic. I hope there's looting!

  • Bastian De Peuter

    Possibly it is the news media who has screwed up about the flu vaccine story! Every hour on the hour the media puts their negative spin on the "story" so to sell newspapers, radio, TV, etc. 90% or more of the media reports is negative, leaving the Provincial & Federal expertise to counter act the false reports coming from media stories. When will McLean's, CBC and other give a balanced report and support the successes that are taking place and the hard work of our health professionals. The media should be ashamed of how they spun this story!!! It was no service to the health of our nation, provinces and communities!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/RasAlhague RasAlhague

    Medimmune Patented H1N1 Swine Flu Virus Back in 2008

    http://www.fightbackh1n1.com/2009/09/medimmune-pa…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/RasAlhague RasAlhague

    Medimmune Patented H1N1 Swine Flu Virus Back in 2008
    http://www.fightbackh1n1.com/2009/09/medimmune-pa…

  • Home412AD

    The rationale for the flu virus hype is that it is not cost-effective for drug companies to make a flu vaccine without guaranteed massive sales. Thus, national governments make a big fuss every year, in order to maintain vaccine equipment and production at big pharmaceuticals, just in case a serious bug appears some day. The medical field concedes a severe epidemic is inevitable. The sudden appearance of a virus with a high contagion and fatality rate will happen. If pharmaceuticals didn't already have the equipment and production lines in place to deal with an epidemic, it would take them at least 12 months, and more likely 18, to get the process of making a vaccine in operation, before one unit was available.

  • Home412AD

    Believe it or not, most governments consider losing 30 percent or more of their population, labor force, and tax base to be a bad thing. Therefore, the investment of paying pharmaceuticals for megadoses of ordinary flu vaccines every year, simply to keep the production lines for a vaccine up and running at every major pharmaceutical in the world, is regarded as a sensible plan. Those who disagree are always free to write their MP a protest note.

  • bev

    The governments can't run countries properly, they are too busy looking for ways they can spend our money on themselves. I would not consider getting jabbed with this quickly tested crap. And certainly do not trust the government or the media.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/RasAlhague RasAlhague

    GlaxoSmithKline recalls a lot of H1N1 vaccine Pandemrix from Canada due to side-effects
    http://www.dancewithshadows.com/pillscribe/glaxos…

  • Fred – Brandon MB

    Now that the lineups have subsided, and the flu vaccine is available to anyone who wants it, and there hasn't been a flood of H1N1 patients, and only a handful of deaths, does it still look like such a screw-up?

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