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"The interaction now draws to a close"

by Paul Wells on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:25pm - 42 Comments

From the Inkless emailbox: Stephen Harper holds a news conference with the Prime Minister of India. Full transcript as provided by the Privy Council Office (ours, not theirs).

UNIDENTIFIED: Your Excellency, Prime Minister of Canada, Honourable Prime Minister, distinguished guests, we welcome you to today’s signing ceremony, where two agreements are going to be signed.  First, we have the memorandum of understanding for setting up the joint study group for examining the feasibility of signing a free trade agreement with Canada.  The Canadian signatory is his Excellency Mr. Stockwell Day, Minister of International Trade, and the Indian signatory is Shri Anand Sharma, Honourable Minister of Commerce and Industry.  The two ministers are requested to come to the dais, please.

(APPLAUSE)

UNIDENTIFIED: Next we have the memorandum of understanding for cooperation between the two countries in the field of energy.  The Canadian signatory is his Excellency Mr. Joseph Caron, High Commissioner of Canada to India, and the Indian signatory is Shri Harishankar Brahma, Secretary, Ministry of Power.

(APPLAUSE)

UNIDENTIFIED: This concludes the signing ceremony.  The spokesman of the Ministry of External Affairs is now requested to conduct the joint press interaction.

MODERATOR: A very good evening to you all, and welcome to the joint press interaction. First, the Prime Minister of India, Honourable Dr. Manmohan Singh, would be making his opening statement.  Next, the Prime Minister of Canada, his Excellency Stephen Harper will be making a statement.  May I now invite the Prime Minister of India for his remarks?

DR. MANMOHAN SINGH (Prime Minister of India): Your Excellency Prime Minister Stephen Harper, ladies and gentlemen, it is a great honour for me to extend a very warm welcome to Prime Minister Stephen Harper on his first visit to India as the Prime Minister of Canada.  This had been a long overdue visit, and we are extremely honoured, then, that Prime Minister Harper has been able to accept our invitation.  Relations between India and Canada are of long-standing nature.  They derive their strength from our shared values of democracy, respect for fundamental human rights, and multiculturalism.  Canada is host to a large Indian origin community of over one million.  This reflects the strong people-to-people links that exist between us and which have enriched our relationship.

Our bilateral relations have greatly strengthened since Prime Minister Harper assumed office.  This is particularly true in the areas of trade and investment.  A large number of Indian corporate entities have invested in Canada and several Indian…several Canadian enterprises have entered the Indian market.  There are, however, vast opportunities for doing much more.  There is a significant scope for greater investment by Canadian companies in the areas of high technology and infrastructure development, and enhancing cooperation in the areas of science and technology, agriculture, mining, natural resources, education and energy.  The memorandum of understanding we have signed on energy will facilitate greater cooperation in this very vital area.  We look forward to cooperation in the field of civil nuclear energy.  To further boost our trade, which is currently below $5 billion US, we have decided to set up a giant study group to examine the possibility of a bilateral, comprehensive economic partnership agreement.  We are also working to further strengthen the institutional mechanisms of cooperation such as a bilateral investment promotion and protection agreement, and a social security agreement.  We have decided to organize a year-long Festival of India in Canada in 2011 to showcase India’s culture and economic progress, and I have invited Canada to organize a similar festival in India.  We reviewed the process of global economic recovery and how we can prepare for the next G20 summit, which Canada will be hosting.  We had a very useful exchange of views on climate change energy security, nuclear disarmament and regional issues.  I conveyed to Prime Minister Harper India’s grave concern over the scourge of international terrorism and the threat posed to pluralistic societies like India from extremist ideologies.  We reaffirmed our commitment to deepen our cooperation to counter these threats.  Prime Minister Harper’s visit has imparted a fresh momentum to India-Canada relationship.  We will take all the necessary steps to further intensify our interaction in all areas.  I thank you.

TR. HON. STEPHEN HARPER (Premier ministre du Canada): Merci Monsieur le Premier ministre à vous et à tous les Indiens d’être des hôtes aussi agréables.

Thank you Prime Minister Singh to you and to all Indians for being such gracious hosts.  Visiting a country whose past has so greatly enriched our civilization and whose future stands to transform our world has been for me an extraordinary and invigorating experience.  This trip comes at a critical time for both Canada and India.  Facing the greatest global recession in half a century, our two countries have worked and need to work together for our common prosperity.  As Prime Minister Nehru noted to one of my predecessors, John Diefenbaker, it is a fundamental rule of life that if you give friendship, you get friendship in return.  Ladies and gentlemen, I have come to India with my hand extended in friendship, resolved to usher in an era of even stronger relations between our two great countries.  We have a solid foundation on which to build.  The bonds between Canada and India are strong and plentiful.  We are both democratic federal states that have forged cohesive societies out of ethnically, spiritually and linguistically diverse populations.  And we are both nations whose aspirations are being realized through the ingenuity and resiliency of our people, increasingly a population of shared origins.

Le moment est venu pour le Canada et l’Inde de nous unir dans une cause commune, d’exploiter nos forces partagées et de réaliser notre plein potentiel.

Now is the time for our two countries to unite in common cause, to capitalize on our shared strengths, and to realize our full potential.  Today Prime Minister Singh and I are taking steps that will help us to do just that.

Le Canada et l’Inde se sont entendus pour prendre des mesures initiales vers la conclusion d’un accord de partenariat économique exhaustif.  En (inaudible) les obstacles et en réduisant la réglementation, l’accord que nous allons élaborer permettra au Canada et à l’Inde de mettre nos forces économiques à profit pour répondre à nos besoins mutuels.

Canada and India have agreed to take the first steps towards a comprehensive economic partnership agreement.  In the coming months, our two countries will launch a joint study group to develop the parameters of the future agreement.  By removing trade barriers and streamlining regulatory requirements, the agreement we will develop will allow Canada and India to use our economic strengths to use each other’s economic needs.  Energy is a case in point.  With an abundance of natural resources and technological expertise in the area, Canada is an emerging energy superpower.  With a rapidly expanding economy and growing infrastructure needs, India is one of the largest energy consumers in the world.  Indeed, Canada’s strengths and India’s needs have made collaborations on energy an emerging pillar of our relationship.  And that’s why energy is the subject of the agreement Ministers Day and Sharma have just signed, which will increase cooperation in such fields as clean and renewable energy, oil and gas exploration, power generation and research and development.

Ensemble, les deux accords que le Canada et l’Inde signent aujourd’hui amélioreront le commerce, ouvriront les portes à nos exportateurs, stimuleront la croissance économique, et créeront des emplois dans nos deux pays.

Taken together, the two agreements Canada and India are signing today will expand trade, open doors for our exporters, spur economic growth, and create jobs in both countries.  In closing, I’d like to thank Prime Minister Singh for his thoughtful leadership, his leadership in partnering with Canada, and for his hospitality in welcoming us here.  Working together, our two countries will seize the opportunities that lie before us and arrive at a brighter and even more prosperous future.  Merci, thank you.

MODERATOR: Thank you, sir.  (APPLAUSE) The Prime Ministers will be happy to take one question from each side.  May I request the correspondent in question to please restrict himself to one question either to the Prime Minister of India or the Prime Minister of Canada.  First question to Mr. Ajay Kaul of the Press Trust of India.  Just wait for the mic to come to you.  Yeah.

REPORTER: Good evening, sir.  My question is in context of terrorism.  As you mentioned, it is a grave threat, so we are talking in the backdrop of Tahawwur Rana, an LeT operative who has been arrested…of Canadian origin, who has been arrested by FBI.  Did this issue come up during…India has sought cooperation from Canada and I mean, trailing his links in Canada.  Did this issue come up, and as part of question to the Canadian Prime Minister, will you investigate the links in Canada?

DR. MANMOHAN SINGH: Well, we had a very fruitful discussion in expanding areas of cooperation between our two countries in dealing with the scourge of international terrorism.  I did mention to Prime Minister Stephen Harper the particular case that you have mentioned.  Since the matter is under investigation, it would not be proper for me to say anything more at this time.

RT. HON. STEPHEN HARPER: Let me just say this first specifically on the case in question.  We worked very closely with our American friends in this matter, and Prime Minister Singh and I certainly discussed the case, and are certainly resolve to close…to cooperate closely in the future and exchange information on these matters.  Let me remind you of the following.  First of all, in terms of our own history, the worst terrorist act in Canadian history was the bombing of Air India…of an Air India flight over Canada that killed 329 mainly Canadian citizens, and of course two Canadians were killed last year in the Mumbai attacks.  So we are countries that have felt the pain of terrorism together. We, as I said in my opening comments, we’re countries that share, very deeply share values.  Unfortunately, the flip side of that in our world of today is that we also share threats.  The same people who threaten the security and threaten terrorism to India inevitably have exactly the same intentions toward our own country.  So we are certainly of one mind and of one purpose in resisting these forces all over the world.

MODERATOR: Second and last question, Mr. John Ibbitson of the Globe and the Mail.

REPORTER: Thank you.  My question is also for Prime Minister Singh, though I would invite Prime Minister Harper to respond in English et en français.  Prime Minister Singh, your country has placed your nuclear facilities on high alert.  Canada is negotiating a civil nuclear (inaudible) with India.  In light of security concerns, how can Canadians trust that any trade in nuclear technology would be safely and appropriately used?

DR. MANMOHAN SINGH: We have entered into civil nuclear cooperation agreements now with three countries, the United States, Russia and France, and we will do all that is within our power to ensure safety and security of our nuclear installation.  There should be no doubt about that.  And we look forward to negotiating in the near future a very similar nuclear cooperation deal with Canada.

RT. HON. STEPHEN HARPER: If I could just say a couple of things on this, first of all, I…you should know, of course, that India signed an important agreement a couple of years back with the United States.  Canada played an important role in getting international acceptance of that agreement.  We believe Canada and India have a prosperous civilian nuclear future ahead of us.  We also have great faith in our Indian friends and partners.  We are not living in the 1970s.  We are living in 2009.  As Prime Minister Singh said, India has concluded these negotiations with other significant players in the world, and this is a, notwithstanding the challenges that face this country and the neighbourhood in which it lives, this is a stable and reliable friend of our country, and we have no, certainly no reservations about pursuing this kind of an agreement.

Peut-être je devrais répondre en français pour les deux questions.  Comme je viens de dire, nous vivons…nous vivons plus dans les années ’70.  Nous sommes en 2009.  L’Inde est un pays stable et important pour le Canada.  Plusieurs pays ont déjà signé de telles ententes avec l’Inde et nous avons…nous avons autant de confiance avec l’Inde que nos amis du monde.

Aussi, pour la question un peu plus tôt, la question du terrorisme, je voudrais faire emphase que le fait que nous partageons les valeurs veut dire que nous partageons aussi des menaces, des menaces du terrorisme, des menaces contre des sociétés libres et démocratiques, et pour…pour cette raison, nous sommes déterminés de coopérer dans n’importe quel cas du terrorisme ici dans cette partie du monde ou même en Amérique du Nord.  Nous sommes des amis, des partenaires et des alliés dans la lutte contre le terrorisme.

MODERATOR: Thank you very much.  The interaction now draws to a close.  Thank you for your presence.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/psiclone psiclone

    Way to go Stevie – did anyone notice how he helped Singh! think about it …

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

    It sounds like the PM's India visit was fruitful.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

    "we have the memorandum of understanding for setting up the joint study group for examining the feasibility of signing a free trade agreement with Canada."

    Harper traveled all that way to sign a MoU about setting up a group that will think about whether it is possible to create a free deal accord? And people wonder why some of us think government and/or diplomacy is absurd.

    And wasn't Harper giving GG a hard time recently about titles? I wonder when we added "Your Excellency" to PM's style. They used to be known as Right Honourable.

  • Riley

    So the harper government is currently pursuing trade deals with the EU and with India… if either one of those comes to fruition it will be one hell of an achievement for his administration. I know a lot of people claim he isn't trying to do anything significant with his mandate of leadership, but if he pulls either of those off… it's going to be a big deal.

  • Mulletaur

    I was about to congratulate Harper on signing an agreement with India to study the feasibility of free trade between our two countries, but then I realized that Harper first announced this in March 2007 and nothing has happened since. And now a feasibility study. Just like all the other free trade initiatives of the Harper government, all hat, no cattle.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

      These things take time, you know.

    • Ian

      Trade agreements take time. You really think the Harper government isn't working hard enough on free trade?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless

      Feasibility study is, in fact, the next step in the epic journey. But allll the hard work lies ahead: the actual negotiations, which began last month with the EU and are, I'd guess, at least two years ahead with India.

    • Riley

      Trade deals today take a long, long, long time to come to fruition and during the process many irritants come up. I think we've been working on a South Korean free trade deal for something like 10 years under both Liberal and CPC governments.

      Progress is key though, and in this case Harper has gone to India and stood next to their PM and announce the new move. It may seem like all hat, and no cattle but it is a real next step toward securing something tangible. It's political, because it shows harper reaching out to non-whitey's, but it's also economical, because it shows he is a promoter of free and open trade.

      All in all, this is indeed a good move and is definitely a good chunk of cattle.

      • Mulletaur

        Well, I'm glad there is progress and I hope I see it come to fruition in my lifetime. It would certainly be a good way to balance off our seemingly ever increasing trade dependency on China, which, last time I looked, was still Communist, at least in name, and still a dictatorship in fact. India is neither.

      • Orson Bean

        If Iggy were PM, he would have negotiated a final, comprehensive free-trade deal with India in 5 minutes. Blindfolded. While bound and gagged underwater. He's that good. Just elect him. You'll see.

        I'm not making this up.

    • Dakota

      Wow, nice try at spinning this one.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

      I love listening to the Harper apologists. "So what if we've already been talking to India for two years? Trade deals take time. Lots of time".

      Yeah. The FTA, by far the most profound, complex and comprehensive free-trade agreement in the history of the American continent, was negotiated, formulated and codified in a year and a half–from early '86 to late '87.

      Harper's vamping. This an empty announcement, designed to make the loads of cash burned on this junket appear well spent.

      • Mulletaur

        The dancing made good pictures, though.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

          Yeah, although Harper's wires were a bit distracting; they caught the lights too often. His puppeteers should have used fish line instead; it would have looked more natural.

      • Anonymous

        I love listening to the Harper apologists. "So what if we've already been talking to India for two years? Trade deals take time. Lots of time".

        Well that's what you get when you outsource your paid shilling to Bangalore.

  • Jesse

    "Our bilateral relations have greatly strengthened since Prime Minister Harper assumed office"

    - PM of India

    Oops! There goes the international embarrasment, Harper isn't good at foriegn relations meme that the Liberals have been pushing!

    • kcm

      Er…India has politics too…or he could be wrong or eveen lying. Imagine Indian's lying like we do, or doing visiting PMs a favour by gingering up the truth.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/LynnTO LynnTO

    I find the verbal volume of Harper's responses compared to the relative succinctness of Singh's responses rather interesting. Is it normal for a visiting Parliamentarian to talk so much by comparison to his host?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

    Relations between India and Canada…derive their strength from our shared values of democracy, respect for fundamental human rights, and multiculturalism.

    How hard must it be to stand there with a straight face and listen to "democracy", "human rights" and "multiculturalism" receiving laudations from a guy who runs a nation where murderous attacks on Christians are routine and where an entire category of people has been culturally consigned to an hereditary "untouchable" status?

    Moreover, I notice that the Harperoids who have applauded his few "pro-democracy" anti-China pronouncements have not been as passionate about Harper's commensurate obligation to provide the same kind of scolding lectures to his Indian hosts. I guess medieval brutality is fine as long as you’re not a “Red”.

    • Jesse

      The difference is that they have a democratic political system in which these issues can be addressed.

      Canada is NOT perfect either. Do you want visiting officials to lecture us on the fact that many native communities do not have clean water and live in third world conditions ??

      No, of course not, because they know we have an internal political framework where people can make a good faith effort to try to improve the lives of our people just like India does.

      The difference is that China has no such framework, no way for democracy to tackle these issues, just an unaccountable out of touch ruling elite.

      Epic, EPIC, fail at not grasping the basic difference between democracy and left wing dictatorship!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

        The difference is that they have a democratic political system in which these issues can be addressed.

        Yes indeed–and that system has "addressed" those issues so brilliantly that they remain fully entrenched decades after independence and partition.

        Epic, EPIC, fail at not grasping the basic difference between democracy and left wing dictatorship!

        Epic, epic fail at not recognising a pseudo-democracy when you see one. Here's a hint: India is one. So is Pakistan.

        Epic fail, too, at missing the point of my comment: if Harper is going to do some cheap, safe, show-boating "pro-democracy" posturing at the expense of one cabal of ruling élites, he should do it at the expense of them all (even when he's butt-kissing for a free-trade deal).

        Harper and Co. look cute in “Free Tibet” t-shirts. Too bad they haven’t the stones to put on some “Free the Dalits” t-shirts.

    • John W.

      Ghandi is a model for all humanity, don't you know?

  • Big Dave

    Well worth the $7,000 that PMO was charging for a seat on the plane.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/psiclone psiclone

    Overall I would say this is fantastic news : think about the possibilities folks and you harper haters out there I know you would rather see bad economic news rather than giving Harper any credit – but please you are being way too obvious – think about what this means NAFTA, a deal in the works EU and now this .. can you imagine in a few years what a canadian company that is international will be able to do and how we will be able to leverage our good and services and if you do not see the possibilities .. well I am not sure what to say but take my word for it this is very and i mean very good news folks.

  • Mark

    Am I the only one who found it odd that the Indians referred to our PM and ministers as "his excellency", especially when they used the correct "the honourable" for their own representatives? I was under the impression that the former title was reserved only for royalty.

    I guess the monarchists had better take action before HRH Stephen I gets too attached to his new title. Paging Andrew Coyne!

    • kcm

      When he next visits the UK it'll be His Lordship:)

  • John W.

    I wonder if Stephen Harper reached his personal zenith of hypocrisy today when he called Gandhi a "model for all mankind".
    Harper. Gandhi. Wow!

    • Orson Bean

      Yes, I'd forgotten about the fact that Stephen Harper is on record as advocating the abolition of Indian Independence and its re-establishment as a British Colony. And the fact that Harper is also on record as forcefully advocating religious sectarian violence. Thanks for reminding us.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/psiclone psiclone

        zing – well done Orson

        • John W.

          Well, if a Canadian Ghandi is seen wandering around the Parliamentary precincts we'll let you know. I'm sure Harper will be out there in a flash with the PPG in tow to say hello and give him a big hug.

          • Orson Bean

            The nerve of that Harper going on an official visit to India and saying nice things about Ghandi. Next thing you know, he'll go on an official state visit to Washington D.C. and say nice things about Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson. Has he no sense of propriety?

          • John W.

            Well I guess he can go to Russia and say nice things about Lenin and Marx.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

            Let's not forget the kind words Harper has had for Castro.

          • John W.

            I wonder if he would call John A "a model for all mankind"?

          • Orson Bean

            Ok, so I guess John W. and Sir Francis' point is: it is inappropriate and hypocritical for our Prime Minister to praise Ghandi, unless he is also prepared to praise Lenin, Marx and Castro. I'm not sure I follow your reasoning there, but does that correctly summarize your position?

          • John W.

            I forgot. ZING!!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

    Not going to jump on the bandwagon. just put my hand on it and run along side
    for a bit.
    What are the goods or services that Indian companies might want from Canadian-based
    that they can't now access ? And vice versa ?

    If it's simply a matter of AECL, just sell it to them. We don't seem particularly interested in it.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless

      Part of the problem is that Canadians keep referring to "free trade" deals, because it reminds us of the drama of that late-80s business with the U.S. But mostly what we're negotiating these days moves far past a simple elimination of formal tariffs at borders. The action now, certainly in the Canada-EU negotiation, is in investment, skilled labour mobility, equal treatment in government procurement, and so on — a far deeper trade integration than simple tariff elimination. That's why the formal name for the Canada-EU thingie is "CETA," a "Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement." That would mean, for instance, that each country could bid on government procurement contracts, as equal contenders, in the other country. And an engineer in each could work in the other. And non-tariff barriers, like place-of-origin labelling, would be dealt with in a coherent, predictable fashion, so neither country could improvise a non-tariff way to keep the other out. And agriculture would not be subject to assorted protections and barriers. For Canada, in India — to which, I was astonished to learn, we are a major grain and cereal exporter — that would be huge. For India, access to a labour market for their burgeoning professional class, and to an export market for their industry, would be less huge, but obviously worth having.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

        Agree about the misleading use of "free trade". That was obvious in the original FTA and NAFTA debates.

        Your explanation is enlightening and, to me, worrisome. The benefits are considerable. I hope the
        downside is explored in some public way. I expect it will be but probably by people and
        organizations that effectively marginalized these days.

        Thanks.

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