Comments on: 'It would seem that some of the key lessons of the Somalia experience … have not been learned' http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/20/it-would-seem-that-some-of-the-key-lessons-of-the-somalia-experience-have-not-been-learned/ Canada's only national weekly current affairs magazine. Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:13:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: jay http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/20/it-would-seem-that-some-of-the-key-lessons-of-the-somalia-experience-have-not-been-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-209306 jay Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:16:32 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=93585#comment-209306 "Let's hope that the current government wasn't paying attention to that particular lesson." Oh, they have been. There is no more attentive student of Jean Chretien in politics today than Stephen Harper . . . funny how life's like that. "Let's hope that the current government wasn't paying attention to that particular lesson."

Oh, they have been. There is no more attentive student of Jean Chretien in politics today than Stephen Harper . . . funny how life's like that.

]]> By: kc http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/20/it-would-seem-that-some-of-the-key-lessons-of-the-somalia-experience-have-not-been-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-209305 kc Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:59:44 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=93585#comment-209305 'This commission was so created in order to ensure its credibility and effectiveness in fostering public confidence in military policing, which effectively means the caring and enforcement of the laws and standards that Canadians expect within their military, including from the chain of command at home and abroad. Unfortunately, the fallibility of this arrangement has been exposed in the matter of the detainee complaints when quite out of step with the normal situation wherein the principle challenge to police oversight is what has been often referred to as “the blue wall”. The government becomes the obstacle in the oversight piece, as opposed to the police themselves" There's often more then one or two sides to a story...funny how life's like that. ‘This commission was so created in order to ensure its credibility and effectiveness in fostering public confidence in military policing, which effectively means the caring and enforcement of the laws and standards that Canadians expect within their military, including from the chain of command at home and abroad. Unfortunately, the fallibility of this arrangement has been exposed in the matter of the detainee complaints when quite out of step with the normal situation wherein the principle challenge to police oversight is what has been often referred to as “the blue wall”. The government becomes the obstacle in the oversight piece, as opposed to the police themselves”

There’s often more then one or two sides to a story…funny how life’s like that.

]]> By: lgarvin http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/20/it-would-seem-that-some-of-the-key-lessons-of-the-somalia-experience-have-not-been-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-209304 lgarvin Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:49:56 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=93585#comment-209304 One of the key lessons of the Somalia experience is the lesson that Chretien taught us all about our own apathy when he decided to shut down the public inquiry into the "Somalia experience." Let's hope that the current government wasn't paying attention to that particular lesson. One of the key lessons of the Somalia experience is the lesson that Chretien taught us all about our own apathy when he decided to shut down the public inquiry into the "Somalia experience."

Let's hope that the current government wasn't paying attention to that particular lesson.

]]> By: doug_rogers http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/20/it-would-seem-that-some-of-the-key-lessons-of-the-somalia-experience-have-not-been-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-209303 doug_rogers Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:47:09 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=93585#comment-209303 It doesn't have to be true, it just has to be plausible. It doesn't have to be true, it just has to be plausible.

]]> By: psiclone http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/20/it-would-seem-that-some-of-the-key-lessons-of-the-somalia-experience-have-not-been-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-209302 psiclone Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:30:48 +0000 http://www2.macleans.ca/?p=93585#comment-209302 The danger and difficulty of all of this, what I will refer to as “information”, is that it is incomplete and/or untested in a procedurally fair and thorough manner, respecting the rights of those involved. Accordingly, it cannot properly be referred to as a proper and complete evidentiary base of fact. As such, we, the commission and I, cannot draw any conclusions or implications from such information and I have cautioned the public to adopt similar restraint. The danger and difficulty of all of this, what I will refer to as “information”, is that it is incomplete and/or untested in a procedurally fair and thorough manner, respecting the rights of those involved. Accordingly, it cannot properly be referred to as a proper and complete evidentiary base of fact. As such, we, the commission and I, cannot draw any conclusions or implications from such information and I have cautioned the public to adopt similar restraint.

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