Comments on: Just give the man his baguel and no one will get hurt

By: madeyoulook

madeyoulook — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:58:36 +0000

Well, then, what you need is the Grand dictionnaire terminologique helpfully created by equalization-supporting Canadian taxpayers from the have provinces. Sorry, Paul, "bagel" is baguel, and not pain rond hasidique... http://www.olf.gouv.qc.ca/ressources/gdt.html

By: madeyoulook

madeyoulook — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:58:36 +0000

By: madeyoulook

madeyoulook — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:55:38 +0000

Yes they can. They're the bilingual ones.

By: Gaunilon

Gaunilon — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:32:19 +0000

Or at least, anyone who does is immediately advised to get out and see the world.

By: MBToday

MBToday — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:08:13 +0000

Vien à St-Boniface tu peux les commander en français!

By: Gaunilon

Gaunilon — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:55:27 +0000

I'd be delighted if I had to use an unfamiliar language to buy groceries at the local store. It would be a good chance to practice.

By: Quebs

Quebs — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:37:55 +0000

So I should speak italian in order to buy pasta??? Wow you must have a 200+ IQ!

By: s_c_f

s_c_f — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:21:08 +0000

Yes, if you're buying pasta in Italy, you should speak Italian. If you're buying it in East Side Mario's, speak whatever the heck you like.

By: Nich

Nich — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:32:46 +0000

Perhaps there is a Kettleman's in Toronto?

I beleive they are a Montreal -based chain and they are the best bagels I have found in Ottawa.

By: Bryan

Bryan — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:49:51 +0000

From my experience as a Toronto tourist who didn't have that Montreal instinctive sense of what language to speak before the employee speaks first, the first thing the old guy in St-Viateur will say to you if he doesn't know your language is an enthusiastic (if terribly accented) "Bonjour Monsieur". Which suggests that even leaving aside one's political views, our friend Mr Valois' empirical premise is false.

By: madeyoulook

madeyoulook — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:08:01 +0000

But how do you hold up twelve fingers?

By: madeyoulook

madeyoulook — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:38:26 +0000

Will give that a try next time I pass by there. Will report on the quizzical looks I get in response. From the French guys in line with me.

By: madeyoulook

madeyoulook — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:36:33 +0000

So, that fat lady at Eaton's? Now you know where she stocked up on her carbs…

By: TwoYen

TwoYen — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:05:09 +0000

I'm happy to order in any language. In Tokyo I order "bagels" in Japanese. They taste pretty good too. I understand the guy in the shop I frequent comes from Montreal. He speaks three languages and seems well adjusted.

By: andrew potter

andrew potter — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:19:19 +0000

The real poser here is whether this counts as progress or regress in the city's Franco-Judeo relations.

By: s_c_f

s_c_f — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:06:52 +0000

They're still leaving, cuz anglos can't get jobs in Quebec.

By: s_c_f

s_c_f — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:05:20 +0000

Why don't they toss the anglos into internment camps and get it over with.
If they're gonna whine about bagels, you know there is no end.

By: s_c_f

s_c_f — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:03:57 +0000

Why the heck would you expect your bagels to be provided in French? Yiddish, Hebrew, whatever. Get your cheese and your pain in french, but bagels are not the slightest bit French to begin with.

By: Hey

Hey — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:52:56 +0000

Poke him a bit harder. Shouldn't be that difficult to elucidate the real reason he is annoyed about bagel provision in Montreal: all the k***s don't know their place. They'll never be 100% pur laine, but maybe once Vichy 2.0 is installed in Quebec Valois can get his wish.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:42:28 +0000

"No wonder French culture is dying"

Eat another chimichanga and go back to watching Jon and Kate +8.

By: Gaunilon

Gaunilon — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:23:49 +0000

"That explains why you will never win your majority in Québec."

My majority? What?

Anyway, are you seriously suggesting that Quebecers should decide how to vote based on whether people care about the French language? Forget principles, the national welfare, the common good….it all comes down to whether people can buy bagels in their chosen language.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:22:47 +0000

Sorry, I confused you with the other one…Dupond.

By: Be_rad

Be_rad — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:57:48 +0000

Handy, dandy, Google translation tells me – "Je voudrais six bagels, s'il vous plaît." So was it the lack of a word for bagel M. Valois is feeling is lacking, or the capability of using the french words around it?

By: FormerMontrealer

FormerMontrealer — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:51:39 +0000

sad to read an article like this so many years after "languague equality" was reached in Quebec and then spread across Canada–Perhaps one of the biggest consequences of Bill 101 was the mass exodus of Montreal's English (and often billingual) youth who were forced to leave their hometown and family behind in search of better political climate in which to raise their own families.

By: Philippe Gohier

Philippe Gohier — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:42:27 +0000

I suppose a Francophone can be an "angryphone." I still never imagined I'd be lumped in with them.

And no, no one ever becomes interested in Toronto.

By: ScottFeschuk

ScottFeschuk — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:35:04 +0000

Here, let me take a crack at this…

see? easy!

By: CAPS

CAPS — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:34:53 +0000

That explains why you will never win your majority in Québec.

St-Viateur and Fairmont are open 24/7 so one can purchase a delicious Montréal bagel (pronounced bay-gul and not bagg-l) from either establishment whenver one wants(I fall on the St-Viateur side of the eternal question).

However, for M. Valois he claims that he cannot go and order his bagels in French and for him and many other Québecers – federalist and separatist alike – the French language must be of primary place in the linguistic space of Québec and Montréal.

Whenever I am in that great Canadian city I am able to order my dozen half-and-half (six poppy seed, six sesame seed) in either English or French from the Ethiopian or Bengali or Jewish or whatever person working behind the counter at these Greek-owned places selling Azkenazhi Jewish traditional food creations in the second biggest fancophone city in the world.

By: Inkless

Inkless — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:32:39 +0000

Deux pains ronds hasidiques aux pépins de sésame, svp. See? That isn't so hard.

I used to live halfway between Fairmount and St. Viateur. Decided I preferred St. Viateur. Ate a lot of bagels.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:29:23 +0000

You'd think once the whiny angryphones had moved to Toronto, they'd become interested in something else. Like..oh, I don't know…Toronto?

By: Anon Liberal

Anon Liberal — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:27:32 +0000

It's very humiliating to buy an english bagel.

By: jolyon

jolyon — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:26:59 +0000

I am anglo who lives west of toronto and I would be a little irritated, at least, if I had to speak french to buy some groceries from my local shop.

I don't know about now, Phillipe, but Toronto used to have some great bagel shops. Find the Jewish communities and you will be in heaven, at least as far as bagels and lox go.

By: Gaunilon

Gaunilon — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:10:02 +0000

Why the hell would he care whether the bagel is bought in French, English, or Swahili, as long as he can buy one when he wants to?