Colby Cosh

Colby Cosh

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Norwich, we have a problem

by Colby Cosh on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:28pm - 427 Comments

I can’t say I am spectacularly surprised at the emerging scandal over private e-mails obtained from the servers of the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit, which is at the heart of the process that produces IPCC reports on climate change. Some of the controversial practices revealed by the leaked e-mail corpus, such as fidgeting with visual presentations of statistics in order to make them as impressive and sensational as possible, are just evil habits that nonetheless form part of the standard operating procedure of applied science. But others—ignoring requests for data sets from one’s scientific adversaries, playing politics with scientific editorial boards, denouncing criticisms as not being peer-reviewed while working behind the scenes to ensure that those same criticisms are shut out of the peer-reviewed literature—were already known parts of the climate-panic industry’s playbook.

The CRU e-mails, whose veracity has so far held up to intense worldwide scrutiny and been generally confirmed by the University of East Anglia, reveal top IPCC contributors to be supercilious, inquisitorial, paranoid, nasty, thuggish, hypocritical, and, in general, trapped in an echo chamber of very modest dimension. If you didn’t already have a sense that all of this was true, you haven’t been paying close enough attention to the debate.

If, on the other hand, you instinctively think that “Climategate” isn’t going to be a big deal in the long run, I would suggest contemplating the very earliest reactions of the climatology nerds at ClimateAudit.org, the global-warming skepticism site edited by Canadian researcher Stephen McIntyre (who is mentioned dozens if not hundreds of times in the CRU e-mails as a particularly intractable bête noire). In the hours immediately after the CRU leak, many members of the Climate Audit community, confronted with evidence of malfeasance and scumbaggery by the scientists who have been attacking skeptics as lunatics and astroturfers for two decades, at first reacted with… well, skepticism. And, in some cases, even sorrow. Sample quotes from the comment thread:

  • An ideological hacker smart enough to hack CRU is smart enough to manufacture a bombshell or two and seed it amongst the rest of the data. Treat “too good to be true” material with a lot of caution initially from such a source.
  • Folks I would run, not walk, away from this as quickly as possible. To think they would be stupid enough to not cover their tracks on this is not credible IMO. While parts are likely real, some could be added as embellishments meant to create the furor it is already creating in the skeptic community. Let’s not make any judgements on the authenticity until we are sure what we have here is real and not a plant.
  • I find this really quite shocking and distrubing. I mean it is one thing to think that such subversion is going on; it is quite another thing – if this is all undoctored – to read it. I don’t know whether to be elated (as a skeptic) or a little sad that this will reflect badly on science regardless.
  • I have concerns like others that this entire archive may be a “spiked” version of an otherwise legitimate (hacked) archive …but much of my concern is driven by the fact that I assume that things can’t be this blatant.

More such examples could be cited. The point is that the skeptics suspected the contents of the CRU leak were too “good”—that is, too damaging to the cause of the global warming hypothesis and the IPCC—to be true. It now seems nearly certain that they are true. Under the circumstances, what George Monbiot calls “climate rationalists” can hardly maintain a posture of indifference and dismissiveness. Monbiot himself, displaying a courageous spirit of openness that his critics may not have anticipated, has been arguing as much: but voices of agreement on his side of the debate are so few that he admits “I have seldom felt so alone.”

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  • astonerii

    "were already known parts of the climate-panic industry’s playbook."
    It is not what you know. It is what you can prove. So without this kind of evidence, the people who were rightly skeptical of the science were incapable of getting a fair hearing from the public because the media and governments were all accomplices of the AGW crowd.

  • Robert of Ottawa

    That should be "tip-top IPCC contributors "

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/mecheng1388 mecheng

    Alright, question for the supporters of mann made up global warming.

    Science and theories are useless if they cannot make predictions. These AGW proponents have spent millions of dollars developing models that can't even predict if the sun will come up tomorrow with any degree of accuracy. I'm not talking daily temperatures, I'm talking decadal trends (the scientologists in the emails fret about this fact).

    Why should we listen to their theories if they cannot make accurate predictions.

    AGW may be correct. BUT, and this is a REALLY BIG BUT, it may occur over centuries or millenia instead of years like the AGW proponents jabber on about, and to whom policy makers are listening.

  • Van Grungy

    http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/11/23…

    I feel the need to post this paste here to get the acolytes some info to start their deprogramming regime

  • http://theplaceofbiff.blogspot.com biff

    Link here:

    http://www.telegraphindia.com/1091117/jsp/nation/…

    Key graph:

    "In attempts to assess impacts of global warming, the IPCC considered 17 models of how climate would evolve as carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere rose. Some models predict more rainfall over India, but with great uncertainty.

    “The models have very serious problems in simulating even 20th century monsoon patterns,” said Madhavan Rajeevan, a senior scientist at the National Atmospheric Research Laboratory, Tirupati, and a co-author of the paper.

    “When a model (computer simulation) cannot even show with reasonable accuracy monsoon behaviour in the past, there’s a big question mark over its ability to predict future patterns,” Rajeevan told The Telegraph."

    • Anonymous

      No one's reading your copy and pastes, Biff.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

        Anon, Climate Alarmist?

    • AT1

      Reverse predictability is a key aspect of any useful model.

  • Amateur Hour

    A few of the suggestions being vigorously put forward on this thread:

    • Governments are conspiring to fleece citizens using AGW as a justification.
    • Scientists the world over are all complicit or active in the AGW conspiracy.
    • Journalists are suppressing the truth about AGW.
    • Google is manipulating search suggestions about climate change emails, because Al Gore is on their Board.

    I hope someone is archiving this … because it's going to be useful to some social science researcher in a decade or two.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

      Did you miss the Global Recession, are you really this stupid? On what planet do you spend most of your time?

      1) Bundling worthless mortgages using flawed models to mitigate risk.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_mortgage_cr… Estimated loss Global Financial Institutions only $ 4 Trillion!

      So let's close our eyes again and listen to another "Frat Club of Boys" who refuse to share their data and models?

      http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2009…

      "And they refuse to release raw data and code."

      There is no other issue.

      Science demands that scientists who refuse to disclose their data and methodology be ridiculed as the charlatans they are.

      The only morons who take the CRU model at its word are people with vested financial interests who are defrauding goverments for the grant money (which is a trivial feat).

      No reputable scientists stand by the CRU models.

      • Amateur Hour

        "No reputable scientists stand by the CRU models."

        BTW, that's your source for this?

        • LC Bennett

          The e-mails call in to question the credibility of the climate change industry. Perhaps it is an isolated incident but maybe it's just the tip of the iceberg (sorry). News coming out of NZ suggest that their raw data was also made to fit the curve and hide the decline.

          The only way to be sure is to have a full audit and release all raw data. methods and codes. Refusal or a sudden loss of data should be consider an admission of guilt and any reports from those scientists and organizations tossed out. Ignore Gore's and Brown's "we must act now" spiel, there is time to do a thorough examination. In fact, a US Senator is already proposing an investigation.

      • Amateur Hour

        My consistent point has been … if the CRU is not a creditable source, look elsewhere.
        Fortunately, there are many sources of climate research independent of the CRU. That you don't ike their conclusions either is another issue.
        Also, I purposely avoided the asset inflation game. (WTF?)
        There were many sources of caution and criticism about Asset inflation, so using it as proof of global conspiracy (vs. greed and ignorance), doesn't really hold … if that was your intended point.
        And no, I'm not stupid. But thanks for asking.

        • JCL

          Unfortunately they and their ilk are the ones contributing to the IPCC reports, controlling the "peer review" process, and monopolizing the debate in the media. The media was so taken-in by this hoax that they are now completely unwilling to print anything about this scandal (yes it is a scandal). Colby and a select few notwithstanding. Skeptics (not deniers, in science it's ok to be skeptical, really it is) have been totally marginalized, to the detriment of all science and the scientific process itself.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadianSense CanadianSense

          You cite governments, some scientists, google some journalists as the only group capable of dispensing the "truth" or beyond review.

          Fact is simply the CRU has witheld DATA and FOI. (Climate Panic apologists make excuses) did they use the same excuse for Tobacco Companies, Banks, Detainee Committee?

          IF the Raw data, models were given to everyone including those outsde the Frat boys club (Peer Review) would we be having this discussion?

          We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

          There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.
          This petition has been signed by over 31,000 American scientists. ( All Oil shilling denialists?)

          http://www.oism.org/pproject/

          http://www.discovery.org/v/30

  • John W.

    And for God's sake don't let them put that H1N1 vaccine in your arm either. Probably weakens your resistance to Global Warming evidence.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

      "And for God's sake don't let them put that H1N1 vaccine in your arm either."

      Good advice.

      "There have been 24 confirmed cases of a type of severe allergic reaction called anaphylaxis in Canadians who have received an H1N1 flu shot, including one person who died after getting vaccinated, the head of the Public Health Agency of Canada said Wednesday.

      Attention was drawn to the issue of anaphylaxis last week when vaccine maker GlaxoSmithKline told provinces to stop using vaccine from a batch of 172,000 doses that was sent out last month. The halt-use order was issued because six people vaccinated from that batch developed anaphylaxis – a higher than expected number of such cases." CP, Nov 25 '09

      • John W.

        You bit.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

          Not certain what you proved but I am sure it was devastating.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

    "how can you deny that the attempt is being made to proceed in company with reason? "

    Because, at the end of the day, if reason fails there's revelation; and also St. Thomas never contradicts revelation. It is therefore not easy to think that he is arguing in 100% good faith. An argument in which one side always wins, and, if it's losing, just takes its ball and goes home, is not really an argument, it's just a form of bullying.

    • TedTylerEzro

      I think that is rather uncharitable. I believe St. Thomas would say that if something is determined to be demonstrably true that contradicts revelation (ie. the bible) then you would believe what you can demonstrably prove. He wouldn't just take his ball and go home like a fundy that doesn't believe in evolution.

      However, he does say that there are things that you accept as true as a good Christian from revelation, though you have no way to demonstrate whether they are true or false. He attempted however to work as close as he could through reason to get towards the assertions of the Christian faith through base principles. That's what the famous (and demonstrably flawed) 5 truths are about.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

        "5 truths"? What is that? Are you referring to his 5 arguments for the existence of God?

        • TedTylerEzro

          Yes. Is that not a valid term for those arguments? An embarressing mental fart if so.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

            I've never seen a good demonstration concerning their flaws, then. I've seen several attempts, but they all seemed to misunderstand the precise meanings of the Aristotelian terms he uses.

          • TedTylerEzro

            There are some problems if you examine the nature of time, though speculative. The proof that has been thoroughly demolished though is the argument from design.

            Myself, I consider other aspects of his philosophy far more interesting. We wouldn't have notions of prosecuting people for "crimes against humanity" or "declarations of universal human rights" for example, without Thomas and the Neo-Thomists who followed him in the early 20th century.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gaunilon Gaunilon

            Hmm. I'm skeptical. Time wasn't a part of any of the 5 ways. I think you might be confusing them with Kant's Antinomies, one of which is a "proof" of God's existence which contains logical fallacies.

            I'd be interested to see an attempt to demolish the 5th way (argument from the Aristotelian concept that "nature acts for an end") if that's what you mean by "argument from design". It struck me as nonsensical the first time I read it, but after I came to understand the background on which it's based (Aristotle's 'Physics') it struck me as pretty solid.

            But it's a conversation for another thread on another day.

          • TedTylerEzro

            Eh, Darwin's natural selection and random mutation pretty much destroys the 5th way. Or at the very least, it throws enough doubt on it to diminish its gloss significantly. Nature doesn't always act for an end. Sometimes it acts towards a dead end, or doesn't act properly.

            While it is true that the first mover and the first efficient cause depend on time being put into motion with something outside time itself, you generally get into troubles examining the nature of non-linear time and what it means for action. Nothing that can be proven one way or the other of course (if anything is metaphysics, this is) but certainly equally valid arguments that don't play nice with Aquinas. But yeah, rarefied stuff for another day.

    • TedTylerEzro

      I would also argue, more controversially, that despite starting from revelation, the attempt to fit it into a framework that fits with empirical evidence, logic, and reason is not abandoning reason altogether. Certainly one could make the argument that you should start solely from first self-evident principles and believe nothing else, but I would be hesitant to say that you cannot practice reason even if you are theist who believes in revelation.

      The problems of starting solely from self-evident principles has its philosophical problems too, but that is another discussion.

      I guess this places me somewhere in between you, Joylon, and scf on one side and Gaulion on the other.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

        Oh, far be it from me to accuse St. Thomas of being unreasonable. It takes a heck of a lot of subtlety to make Aristotle agree with the Psalms. I just can't recall, from my admittedly haphazard reading of the Summa, a passage in which he does judge against revelation (or the Fathers, for that matter). My question would be, at what point do you get so subtle that you efface the distinction between revelation and reason at revelation's expense? And, once you pass that point, why continue citing revelation?

        I would say, by contrast, that starting (and ending) with self-evident principles is the essence of faith. Christianity's problem is that it attempted to include all knowledge and reason under religion, where beforehand faith had addressed itself only to faith, as myth. It's a big basket, but eventually one accumulates too many eggs and the overreaching exercise is discredited.

        • TedTylerEzro

          There is nothing that has been "discredited" in the core of Christianity's belief system, as it largely relies on a whopper that a Galilean Jew executed by Roman Authorities was the incarnation of the one, true God. There is nothing that the scientific revolution has brought that discredits that notion, because it was so unbelievable in the first place.

          The problem with your model is that it was tried, unsuccessfully. One of the key reasons that paganism lost ground to Christianity was because Christianity made the effort to reconcile its belief systems with philosophy. Paganism to a great degree never did, because it generally followed the model that you are suggesting. I am also hopeful that your model will not succeed with biblical literalists and young earth creationists.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            "Unsuccessfully"? I think it was quite a success. What Christianity did, in terms of integrating philosophy and religion, was to show up in the schools of Athens, where a 700-year-old debate had been raging between Epicureans, Stoics, Sceptics, et al., and say, "Let's try this again, only this time everybody gets a gun." That is, the stakes of being wrong or right on philosophical questions were officially no longer losing or winning an argument but personal salvation or damnation at the hands of an omnipotent God. If that's a success, I say we try failure again.

            As to the incarnation being inherently improbable, I dunno, I think it seems a lot less probable to us in our scientific world than it did even to well-educated Greeks and Romans, accustomed as they were to compartmentalising mythology and ordinary experience. It's no more improbable that Jesus could raise the dead than that Perseus could fly. Perseus' flying was rather irrelevant, however, but as soon as everybody's physical and spiritual fate depends on Jesus' power of resurrection the mythological and the cotidian started intersecting in rather ghastly ways.

          • TedTylerEzro

            Yes Jack, you've made it quite clear that you consider Christianity to be the greatest intellectual setback Western civilization has ever suffered. It is your second most insufferable trait, right after your assertion that whenever Christian populations were butchered they had it coming.

            You know perfectly well as a classicist Jack, that the Platonists, Aristoteleans, Stoics, Epicureans, and Skeptics had very little to do with Greco-Roman cultic religion, which largely involved dramatic rituals based on the myths, animal sacrifice, and a priesthood composed of aristocrats seeking to cultivate divine benevolence (ie. please Gods don't screw us over). Plato said that people shouldn't tell the traditional stories because they opened Gods to ridicule. Aristotle believed in the unmoved mover. The Stoics believed in the logos, which governed all things. Plotinus believed that there was a true divine essence of which the gods were mere pale reflections. Any of this sounding familiar to you? It should, because the Christians adopted all of this into their theological and philosophical thinking very easily. The traditional cultic rituals of pagan Greece and Rome? Not so much.

            Also, Christians didn't sidewipe arguments and change the nature of philosophical debate. Sure, they were concerned with apologetics, but the intellectual class of Christians desired truth, and thus they sought to learn the Greek philosophers and their means of understanding. Sure, you have folks like Tertullian who said "What does Athens have to do with Jerusalem?" but I think it is quite clear that the faith moved on without him.

            As for people being more gullible then than now about whether condemned Galileans can get up again after being executed, or that sex doesn't need to proceed conception… please. There was just as much skepticism about Jesus as you could possibly summon today. As well, you had all sorts of other problems. To the mindset of those who lived in antiquity, a God was someone who strode the world like a colossus. A king or a powerful warrior. A God isn't some lowborn Jew traitor who was disowned by his own people and executed by Roman justice.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            Obviously I did not make myself clear. Pagan philosophy is obviously the basis of Christian theology — no argument there. What I'm saying is that pagan antiquity had no concept of eternal joy or eternal damnation: that came in with Christianity. When you then tie that up with philosophy, you raise the stakes in intellectual activity to the point where truth is not merely the goal, as formerly, but a necessary requirement to pass the pearly gates; whence the idea of heresy.

            I must say it's novel to be instructed by a devout Christian, and one moreover with a fondness for the middle ages, on how unsuperstitious our pagan and Christian ancestors were. Are you serious? You think mystery cults were a kind of pageant? Or that augury was just for fun? People genuinely believed in such things. Of course it was hard for a powerful Roman magistrate to grasp an idea like "God on the cross" — but Christianity was not aiming for such people. The first Christians were slaves and other disempowered folk, for whom the a crucified god was profoundly appealing: they were not skeptical about the reality of their own religion. You don't get martyred for an abstract concept.

          • TedTylerEzro

            As I've said to you before, the Romans and Greeks had their own views of what was heresy. There were many religious movements that the Romans found problematic to the Roman sensibilities about religion that they supressed. It was pretty much as acceptable to be an atheist in the Roman world as it was to be one in the Christian Middle Ages, for example. In other words you kept your head down and your mouth shut. Your ideal of a tolerant Rome is a lie that just doesn't match the evidence, and if the Christians never existed someone else would enforce social orthodoxy. The communists and fascists gave it a go just recently. What is more, because Christians have been around for 2000 years, and held positions of power for more than 1600 years, Christian tolerance to paganism, dissent and heresy waxed and waned. That's not to excuse the periods of intolerance, but it certainly pokes holes in your "Christianity always causes mindset X". Get thee behind me, discredited sociology.

  • http://theplaceofbiff.blogspot.com biff

    Scientists in India tried to use the same models to "predict" past monsoon activity. In other words they had reality to compare it against, not simple predictions.

    The result? Failure every time. Climate patterns are too complex and the interplay between variables not even close to being understood well enough for modelling to be successful.

    As time has gone by we've already seen the failure of the IPCC predictions for the past ten years on world temps.

    Indeed, most experts in computer modelling scoff at the ability to predict out anything this complex, particularly decades out.

    Yet despite all this, one is a "denialist" to be skeptical of these models.

    How utterly intolerant.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/BS_is_Organic BS_is_Organic

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climategate

    Google Search exceeds 1 130 000 hits for “Climategate” 25/11/09 9:30 am

    Google Search exceeds 3 050 000 hits for “Climategate” 25/11/09 5:44 pm

    Google Search exceeds 8 160 000 hits for “Climate-gate” 25/11/09 7:11 pm

    Google Search exceeds 10 400 000 hits for “Climate-gate” 25/11/09 8:04 pm

    Google Search exceeds 17 500 000 hits for “Climate-gate” 26/11/09 10:14 am

  • Dakota

    The eco-fascists are in total damage control over this. Their Global Warming scam is being exposed and they won't go down without a fight.

    What an inconvenient truth this whole story is for Al Gore and his cultists.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

    Almost 300 comments – not bad, Colby!

    Hopefully we'll see more coverage in Canada's mainstream news media about the CRU emails and the still-developing "ClimateGate" story.

    • http://fullyoffset.blogspot.com Jon

      Frankly I think these 350 comments or so indicate that this is a non story.
      How many comments on the Generals? 17?

  • Jens Andersen

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but Climepot Doome story only started breaking Friday, about same time Maclean’s is put to bed (?)

  • John

    With respect there is a line and its called fraud.. Dressing up the truth is alot different than brick and mortor fraud.. Passion for ones own career and political cause is no excuse to abuse the public trust.. Dropping data and adding bogus data.. Strong arming the people in a position to expose your tricks.. Cheering the death of these people.. Endless propaganda from friendly media… The public inquiry thats sure to happen will prove whats really going on.. What do you have to fear anyway.. Afraid you already know the answer…

  • Jens Andersen

    WHY is my answer to Climate Realist’s Q (re deadline) AHEAD of his question???… which vanished for a spell…

  • http://www.jimharris.com Jim Harris

    GLACIERS worldwide have stopped melting after the release of secret emails showing climate change scientists are debating finer points of what is happening to our world. See http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/environment/cl…

  • Climate Realist

    Wow! Almost a week gone by on the CRU scandal and the best we can get from Macleans is some commentary hidden away in a blog! Where's the headliner this issue deserves?

  • JRR

    Thankyou Macleans,those who defend the content of said Emails,might consider reading them.This can not be spun, it is what it says.The silence of our tax funded media is deafening.Failure to investigate will rapidly come to be seen as collusion,our politicians will be throwing advisers under the bus,as soon as the revulsion I share rips thro this shroud of denial from the missinformers we fund.This is the fraud of the century and could destroy the UN .It will destroy political careers,what little credibility CBC had left is gone for me,I now fully supprt scrapping their funding 100%.Trillions wasted cause our watchdog would not do their job.The media,govt agencies& politicians have failed to protect the nation here,is this stupidity or active fraud? JRR Yellowknife

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/balabu balabu

      "destroy the UN"? The UN is the most corrupt world wide organization that exists. At best they are useless but for most part they are harmful. Controlled by dictators stifling free speech, spreading hate and shielding terrorists.

  • Jens Andersen

    Just rechecked last few days’ papers and C-gate stories ARE thin to non-existent (and the exception is always a gutsy journalist, like Lamphier in today’s Edmonton Journal). But I’m not sure I buy the paranoia about lefties/eco-fascists pulling all the strings. Mostly it is just (I would guess) journalists’ OWN biases and retrospective embarrasment, and even more than this the tangled nature of the story, which defies easy reporting. You can’just phone a few sources and get some approximation of “balanced” opinion/quotes. This story demands some very tough judgements upon evidence and authority, and as a result of this treacherous intellectual terrain, most newsroom folks are feeling a dismaying shortage of smarts. Better just to lay low…

  • http://fullyoffset.blogspot.com Jon

    Everything looks bad if you actually read it. But that's off message.

    "Do not read the emails because there's nothing substantive"

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/balabu balabu

    Excellent lecture by Dr. Richard Lindzen, Prof. of Metereology in MIT one of the foremost climate scientists in the world.. This lecture was given before the recent disclosures of "Climategate."
    6 parts You tube video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM8rSSuJ_wQ

  • Jens Andersen

    Well, this story has legs, and like the Danish cartoons it will still be galloping along a year or three from now. With or without the Thpmists debating how many angels will fit on a hockey-stick graph.

  • Garth Wood

    So I guess it can be summed up as follows:

    We have Liars, Damned Liars, and Climate Scientists.

    Nice.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/balabu balabu

      Please don't equal the AGW crooks that were masquarading as scientists with real scientists like Dr Richard Lindzen Prof. of Metereology in MIT
      See [youtube FM8rSSuJ_wQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM8rSSuJ_wQ youtube]

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/balabu balabu

    Any one who questions the AGW cult findings and theory is a “denier” Galileo was also a denier that almost was burnt on the stake for contradicting the scientific and political consensus. Science is not built on consensus but on critical examination and transparency. Science is not matter of belief and trust of a leaders and establishment. . The most dangerous combination for humankind is a combination of politics and “science”. The Nazi extermination machine was based on the science of racism with the totalitarian political enterprise. Eugenics was practiced in Canada based on fake science.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/balabu balabu

    The mere fact that AGW “scientists” resorted to withholding information; doctoring data to suit their hypothesis, destruction of documents and obstructing publication of critical papers is a proof that the AGW is a scam. The climate gate is only the tip of the iceberg. As with cockroaches if you find one in a house you can be sure that there are hundreds hiding in dark spots. There is lot of money at stake “research” funding, traveling to conferences, acting as advisors to banks for the cap and trade BS. The crooks will not resign to go on welfare. They will fight tooth and nails. They know that if they give up and admit the fraud all what they can do in the university is apply for janitors job.

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