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	<title>Comments on: Unobserved irony about that Swiss minaret ban</title>
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		<title>By: tpholmes</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-217571</link>
		<dc:creator>tpholmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colby&#039;s post is excellent, and his point is valid. It&#039;s not about liberal-bashing, it&#039;s about the way a debate unfolds on a hot-button emotional issue.

As I read it, his point isn&#039;t that these liberals are bad or wrong, only that they failed to recognize the nature of the debate itself.

When &quot;emotion&quot; takes over, the message and messengers become far more important than facts or rational debate. In my opinion, this is tragic, sad and unfortunate, but it&#039;s also very true.

Colby could have just as easily had been speaking about the issue of same sex marriage in Canada, where the social conservatives clearly blew the debate (at the price of public opinion) in a very similar way, i.e. people might have been more sympathetic to traditional marriage if the opponents hadn&#039;t rattled on half-crazed about &quot;damnation&quot; and &quot;the Bible&quot; to make their arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colby&#039;s post is excellent, and his point is valid. It&#039;s not about liberal-bashing, it&#039;s about the way a debate unfolds on a hot-button emotional issue.</p>
<p>As I read it, his point isn&#039;t that these liberals are bad or wrong, only that they failed to recognize the nature of the debate itself.</p>
<p>When &quot;emotion&quot; takes over, the message and messengers become far more important than facts or rational debate. In my opinion, this is tragic, sad and unfortunate, but it&#039;s also very true.</p>
<p>Colby could have just as easily had been speaking about the issue of same sex marriage in Canada, where the social conservatives clearly blew the debate (at the price of public opinion) in a very similar way, i.e. people might have been more sympathetic to traditional marriage if the opponents hadn&#039;t rattled on half-crazed about &quot;damnation&quot; and &quot;the Bible&quot; to make their arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Anti-Ummah</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-3/#comment-217570</link>
		<dc:creator>Anti-Ummah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And just as we speak about the growing threat that has been witnessed and evidenced in Europe (and elsewhere in the world), the Uber-Socialist L.A. Times has a new story regarding the increasing &quot;radicalization&quot; of MUSLIMS in America.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://preview.tinyurl.com/yf47pxe&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://preview.tinyurl.com/yf47pxe&lt;/a&gt;
Interesting to note that the larger the &#039;radical&#039; base becomes the smaller the &#039;moderate&#039; base is and also more fearful of retribution from those radicals and the less likely we will see any co-operation from them turning in their co-religionists for processing under our infamous catch and release program called the &quot;Canadian Criminal Justice System&quot;. We are imposing a closed society on Islam by not openly and forcefully supporting the Islamic reformers in their weak - and getting weaker- fight against the fundamentalists.
Pretty soon they will be another &quot;first Nations&quot; community with special rights (can you say Shariah Law?) and privileges similar to our indigenous one, and of course the mainstream Canadian of course will have to pay the price with lowered security.

I would be amenable to a wholesale conversion of all Muslims to the Ahmadiyya sect as they are the only Muslims that have demonstrably proven they have reformed and removed (most) of the violence from their religion. Considered non-Muslim and outright Apostates by the remainder Islamists, the punishment for Apostasy is a one time chance to re-convert and repent or DEATH. Welcome to the peaceful world of Islam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just as we speak about the growing threat that has been witnessed and evidenced in Europe (and elsewhere in the world), the Uber-Socialist L.A. Times has a new story regarding the increasing &quot;radicalization&quot; of MUSLIMS in America.<br />
<a href="http://preview.tinyurl.com/yf47pxe" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://preview.tinyurl.com/yf47pxe</a><br />
Interesting to note that the larger the &#039;radical&#039; base becomes the smaller the &#039;moderate&#039; base is and also more fearful of retribution from those radicals and the less likely we will see any co-operation from them turning in their co-religionists for processing under our infamous catch and release program called the &quot;Canadian Criminal Justice System&quot;. We are imposing a closed society on Islam by not openly and forcefully supporting the Islamic reformers in their weak &#8211; and getting weaker- fight against the fundamentalists.<br />
Pretty soon they will be another &quot;first Nations&quot; community with special rights (can you say Shariah Law?) and privileges similar to our indigenous one, and of course the mainstream Canadian of course will have to pay the price with lowered security.</p>
<p>I would be amenable to a wholesale conversion of all Muslims to the Ahmadiyya sect as they are the only Muslims that have demonstrably proven they have reformed and removed (most) of the violence from their religion. Considered non-Muslim and outright Apostates by the remainder Islamists, the punishment for Apostasy is a one time chance to re-convert and repent or DEATH. Welcome to the peaceful world of Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaplan</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-217568</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to stretch yourself thin on the research. No, please, slow down, you&#039;ll hurt yourself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to stretch yourself thin on the research. No, please, slow down, you&#39;ll hurt yourself!</p>
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		<title>By: Kaplan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Without checking I recall...&quot;

Again, wow. I think you&#039;re not only lowering the standard of print journalism, but you&#039;re actually making bloggers look bad.

Nice work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Without checking I recall&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>Again, wow. I think you&#039;re not only lowering the standard of print journalism, but you&#039;re actually making bloggers look bad.</p>
<p>Nice work.</p>
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		<title>By: McCoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born around the time Neville Chamberlain returned from Nazi Germany proclaiming &quot;peace in our time&quot;.  Germany had made it perfectly clear that peace would be impossible.  I mention this because the excuses and accommodations that well-intentioned liberals give Islam remind me of the 1930&#039;s attempts to appease Hitler.

To enumerate just a few illustrations of Islamic misbehaviour over the last decade, there was the hysterical fuss over the Jyllands-Posten cartoons, the fact that in the UK Scotland Yard has had to set up a special division to investigate &quot;honour&quot; killings, the murder of Theo Van Gogh in Holland, the 9/11 massacre, countless bombings, plots, abductions, threats, and continual whining that Islamists are the victims, not the perpetrators.  In view of what Islam actually does in this world, as distinct from what its proponents claims it does, I think Islamophobia (fear of Islam) is a logical position to take. Islamophobia requires a confrontation with a toxic ideology, not the persecution of Moslems.

Minarets are just symbols, I guess, but just the same I&#039;m glad to hear of measures like banning them or the wearing of hijab, because they suggest a growing awareness of the need to stand up to Islam.  Personally I don&#039;t care how many Moslems settle in my country.  I just want it made clear to them that although they are welcome, there will be no tolerance of Islamic values in our schools, laws or institutions.

I almost agree with you, A-U, except for that word &quot;Inquisition&quot;.  Islamophobia requires a confrontation with a toxic ideology, not the persecution of Moslems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born around the time Neville Chamberlain returned from Nazi Germany proclaiming &quot;peace in our time&quot;.  Germany had made it perfectly clear that peace would be impossible.  I mention this because the excuses and accommodations that well-intentioned liberals give Islam remind me of the 1930&#039;s attempts to appease Hitler.</p>
<p>To enumerate just a few illustrations of Islamic misbehaviour over the last decade, there was the hysterical fuss over the Jyllands-Posten cartoons, the fact that in the UK Scotland Yard has had to set up a special division to investigate &quot;honour&quot; killings, the murder of Theo Van Gogh in Holland, the 9/11 massacre, countless bombings, plots, abductions, threats, and continual whining that Islamists are the victims, not the perpetrators.  In view of what Islam actually does in this world, as distinct from what its proponents claims it does, I think Islamophobia (fear of Islam) is a logical position to take. Islamophobia requires a confrontation with a toxic ideology, not the persecution of Moslems.</p>
<p>Minarets are just symbols, I guess, but just the same I&#039;m glad to hear of measures like banning them or the wearing of hijab, because they suggest a growing awareness of the need to stand up to Islam.  Personally I don&#039;t care how many Moslems settle in my country.  I just want it made clear to them that although they are welcome, there will be no tolerance of Islamic values in our schools, laws or institutions.</p>
<p>I almost agree with you, A-U, except for that word &quot;Inquisition&quot;.  Islamophobia requires a confrontation with a toxic ideology, not the persecution of Moslems.</p>
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		<title>By: Anti-Ummah</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-3/#comment-217565</link>
		<dc:creator>Anti-Ummah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DML has it &quot;dead on&quot;. Nothing will come of this as Eurabia is a done deal. Most of Europe will be majority Muslim by 2050. This is merely a &quot;Stick in your eye&quot;, from the dying White post Christian Swiss. If they didn&#039;t want to become Islamic, why did they allow so much immigration in the first place? The PC elites of Europe couldn&#039;t understand basic demographics, whereas native population rates at distinction levels, and importing those at rates up to 10 times higher, you had to know it was going to come about at some point. Now with merely 10% Muslim in France, the Jihad is full out, the politicians know which side their bread is buttered (why placate a dying entity when the one that is taking over is more vocal and follows through on their threats of violence against those that don&#039;t adhere. So the question remains and always has:
&quot;how does the rest of the world solve the problem of [all of] Islam that is fundamentally and inherently violent, has demonstrated this innumerable times over the 1400+ yrs of its tyranny, mixing with gentle people that pride themselves on human rights, decency and fairness for all regardless of race, colour, gender, political persuasion (unless you&#039;re a Conservative that is). Can the newcomers be modified enough to be fair and benign to the indigenous hosts? Since Islam cannot be Renaissance(d) as witnessed by the Ahmadiyyah (not considered Islamic any more), it seems that a new round of Inquistion may be the only possible solution to this serious and deadly problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DML has it &quot;dead on&quot;. Nothing will come of this as Eurabia is a done deal. Most of Europe will be majority Muslim by 2050. This is merely a &quot;Stick in your eye&quot;, from the dying White post Christian Swiss. If they didn&#39;t want to become Islamic, why did they allow so much immigration in the first place? The PC elites of Europe couldn&#39;t understand basic demographics, whereas native population rates at distinction levels, and importing those at rates up to 10 times higher, you had to know it was going to come about at some point. Now with merely 10% Muslim in France, the Jihad is full out, the politicians know which side their bread is buttered (why placate a dying entity when the one that is taking over is more vocal and follows through on their threats of violence against those that don&#39;t adhere. So the question remains and always has:<br />
&quot;how does the rest of the world solve the problem of [all of] Islam that is fundamentally and inherently violent, has demonstrated this innumerable times over the 1400+ yrs of its tyranny, mixing with gentle people that pride themselves on human rights, decency and fairness for all regardless of race, colour, gender, political persuasion (unless you&#39;re a Conservative that is). Can the newcomers be modified enough to be fair and benign to the indigenous hosts? Since Islam cannot be Renaissance(d) as witnessed by the Ahmadiyyah (not considered Islamic any more), it seems that a new round of Inquistion may be the only possible solution to this serious and deadly problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie&#039;s Farmboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie&#039;s Farmboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point was that weighted clocks (of which cuckoo clocks are but one variety) were apparently invented by the muslims, according to some sources...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point was that weighted clocks (of which cuckoo clocks are but one variety) were apparently invented by the muslims, according to some sources&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DML</title>
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		<dc:creator>DML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It could also be that the Swiss have taken a look at Muslim related problems in Holland, Germany, France and other Europeon nations and are afraid of what they see.  They likely interpret Islam as not being benign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It could also be that the Swiss have taken a look at Muslim related problems in Holland, Germany, France and other Europeon nations and are afraid of what they see.  They likely interpret Islam as not being benign.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord Kitchener&#039;s Own</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord Kitchener&#039;s Own</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Dave, for not taking my comment so seriously!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Dave, for not taking my comment so seriously!</p>
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		<title>By: jolyon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jolyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Three days after Switzerland voted to ban minarets on mosques, enraging the Muslim world, a Libyan court has sentenced two Swiss businessmen to 16 months in prison for violating immigration laws. That could be a coincidence, but I doubt it. It is much more likely to be Colonel Gaddafi&#8217;s latest act of vengeance against a country that has seriously upset him.&quot; The Times, Dec 03 &#039;09

There is an article in The Times today that looks at heated relationship between Switzerland and Libya at the moment. Author of article does not say there is direct connection but Swiss might have been pissed with Libyans and this was one way to express their displeasure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Three days after Switzerland voted to ban minarets on mosques, enraging the Muslim world, a Libyan court has sentenced two Swiss businessmen to 16 months in prison for violating immigration laws. That could be a coincidence, but I doubt it. It is much more likely to be Colonel Gaddafi&rsquo;s latest act of vengeance against a country that has seriously upset him.&quot; The Times, Dec 03 &#039;09</p>
<p>There is an article in The Times today that looks at heated relationship between Switzerland and Libya at the moment. Author of article does not say there is direct connection but Swiss might have been pissed with Libyans and this was one way to express their displeasure.</p>
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		<title>By: kcm</title>
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		<dc:creator>kcm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t it also the case that the oil industry in Texas collapsed around the same time? I guess the NEP was responsible for that too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#039;t it also the case that the oil industry in Texas collapsed around the same time? I guess the NEP was responsible for that too?</p>
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		<title>By: MaggiesFarmboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaggiesFarmboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Dot, I was referring to Colby.

Excuse my improper reply ettiquette.

P.S. I never think of you at all, no offence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Dot, I was referring to Colby.</p>
<p>Excuse my improper reply ettiquette.</p>
<p>P.S. I never think of you at all, no offence.</p>
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		<title>By: Dot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IF I think of you, I worry about Big Brother and sheep (well, the cute ones). &quot;Two legs good, MaggiesFarmboy baaaaad&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IF I think of you, I worry about Big Brother and sheep (well, the cute ones). &quot;Two legs good, MaggiesFarmboy baaaaad&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: SeanStok</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeanStok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Move over America.  There&#039;s a new a**hole on the map!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Move over America.  There&#039;s a new a**hole on the map!</p>
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		<title>By: Dot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That&#039;s a piece I would ONLY be interested in writing for an Alberta audience, which would despise the challenge to its prejudices and consider me a liberal traitor fit only for slow death by livestock hot-shot.&lt;/i&gt;

Hey, then you&#039;ll jump at a chance to write about the myth of the NEP in Alberta. Here&#039;s a YouTube video I have posted here before &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/user/DotDunster#p/a/u/0/Op6XLJCXagk&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/user/DotDunster#p/a/u/0/Op...&lt;/a&gt; and more material in Potter&#039;s latest Linkage blog.  Feel free to run with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That&#039;s a piece I would ONLY be interested in writing for an Alberta audience, which would despise the challenge to its prejudices and consider me a liberal traitor fit only for slow death by livestock hot-shot.</i></p>
<p>Hey, then you&#039;ll jump at a chance to write about the myth of the NEP in Alberta. Here&#039;s a YouTube video I have posted here before <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/DotDunster#p/a/u/0/Op6XLJCXagk" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/user/DotDunster#p/a/u/0/Op&#8230;</a> and more material in Potter&#039;s latest Linkage blog.  Feel free to run with it.</p>
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		<title>By: MaggiesFarmboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaggiesFarmboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just think of you as &quot;That Guy&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just think of you as &quot;That Guy&quot;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lunatic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lunatic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cantons with the most support for the ban are also the ones that have the most public opposition Swiss integration with European institutions (like the rejection of the EEA).  Citing European law in those cantons would predictably produce the same political result as quoting a United Nations resolution to Texans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cantons with the most support for the ban are also the ones that have the most public opposition Swiss integration with European institutions (like the rejection of the EEA).  Citing European law in those cantons would predictably produce the same political result as quoting a United Nations resolution to Texans.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s WAR between the Swiss and me!</description>
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		<title>By: Screen</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-217553</link>
		<dc:creator>Screen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually what people call Swiss cuckoo clocks are German.</description>
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		<title>By: colbycosh</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-3/#comment-217542</link>
		<dc:creator>colbycosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t say it better, except I&#039;m reluctant to use the term &quot;small-mindedness&quot; until the multilingual federation I live in celebrates a 700th birthday.</description>
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		<title>By: kcm</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-3/#comment-217534</link>
		<dc:creator>kcm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And...that alleged popular revolt didn&#039;t include much of the MSM,  if i recall correctly...which i probably don&#039;t as i ceased caring after meech. CC may well have been leading the charge for all i know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And&#8230;that alleged popular revolt didn&#39;t include much of the MSM,  if i recall correctly&#8230;which i probably don&#39;t as i ceased caring after meech. CC may well have been leading the charge for all i know.</p>
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		<title>By: Raging_Ranter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raging_Ranter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to suggest shaving your head, but quickly realized that that would invite the obvious &quot;skinhead&quot; references from the progressive crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to suggest shaving your head, but quickly realized that that would invite the obvious &quot;skinhead&quot; references from the progressive crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: Loraine Lamontagne</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-217552</link>
		<dc:creator>Loraine Lamontagne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further re suspicion of ruling elite and Charlottetown, it has been documented that Tom Flanagan and Stephen Harper, Reform policy advisors at the time, demanded that Preston Manning oppose Charlottetown without consulting with the &quot;grassroots&quot;.  Writes Manning:  &quot;At this point, I did not fully appreciate that while Stephen was a strong Reformer with respect to our economic, fiscal and constitutional positions, he had serious reservations about Reform&#8217;s and my belief in the value of grassroots consultation and participation in key decisions.&#8221;

So in the end ruling elites on both the yes and no sides fought it out.

My recollection of those days is that anything coming from Brian Mulroney was suspicious and viewed as pandering to Quebec.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further re suspicion of ruling elite and Charlottetown, it has been documented that Tom Flanagan and Stephen Harper, Reform policy advisors at the time, demanded that Preston Manning oppose Charlottetown without consulting with the &quot;grassroots&quot;.  Writes Manning:  &quot;At this point, I did not fully appreciate that while Stephen was a strong Reformer with respect to our economic, fiscal and constitutional positions, he had serious reservations about Reform&rsquo;s and my belief in the value of grassroots consultation and participation in key decisions.&rdquo;</p>
<p>So in the end ruling elites on both the yes and no sides fought it out.</p>
<p>My recollection of those days is that anything coming from Brian Mulroney was suspicious and viewed as pandering to Quebec.</p>
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		<title>By: Loraine Lamontagne</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-217551</link>
		<dc:creator>Loraine Lamontagne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case you&#039;re ever tempted to write that 9 out of 10 provinces voted to reject the Charlottetown accord, here is the result:


AlbertaYes 39.8%  --    No 60.2%
British Columbia   Yes 31.7   --   No 68.3
ManitobaYes 38.4--   No 61.6
New Brunswick  Yes 61.8  --   No 38.2
Newfoundland Yes 63.2   ---   No: 36.8
Nova Scotia  Yes 48.8   --   No 51.2
Ontario  Yes 50.1   --   No  49.9
Prince Edward IslandYes 73.9   --   No 26.1
QuebecYes 43.3   --   No  56.7
Saskatchewan  Yes 44.7  --  No 55.3
Northwest TerritoriesYes 61.3--  No 38.7
YukonYes 43.7--  No 56.3

The vote was favourable in four out of ten provinces, all East of Manitoba. Lucien Bouchard and Jacques Parizeau led the &#039;no&#039; side in Quebec where both liberals under Chr&#233;tien and Conservatives under Mulroney were pro-Charlottetown.  And if 50.1% was good enough to stop Parizeau in 95, it is good enough to my claim that Ontarians approved Charlottetown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you&#039;re ever tempted to write that 9 out of 10 provinces voted to reject the Charlottetown accord, here is the result:</p>
<p>AlbertaYes 39.8%  &#8212;    No 60.2%<br />
British Columbia   Yes 31.7   &#8212;   No 68.3<br />
ManitobaYes 38.4&#8211;   No 61.6<br />
New Brunswick  Yes 61.8  &#8212;   No 38.2<br />
Newfoundland Yes 63.2   &#8212;   No: 36.8<br />
Nova Scotia  Yes 48.8   &#8212;   No 51.2<br />
Ontario  Yes 50.1   &#8212;   No  49.9<br />
Prince Edward IslandYes 73.9   &#8212;   No 26.1<br />
QuebecYes 43.3   &#8212;   No  56.7<br />
Saskatchewan  Yes 44.7  &#8212;  No 55.3<br />
Northwest TerritoriesYes 61.3&#8211;  No 38.7<br />
YukonYes 43.7&#8211;  No 56.3</p>
<p>The vote was favourable in four out of ten provinces, all East of Manitoba. Lucien Bouchard and Jacques Parizeau led the &#039;no&#039; side in Quebec where both liberals under Chr&eacute;tien and Conservatives under Mulroney were pro-Charlottetown.  And if 50.1% was good enough to stop Parizeau in 95, it is good enough to my claim that Ontarians approved Charlottetown.</p>
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		<title>By: Loraine Lamontagne</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-217550</link>
		<dc:creator>Loraine Lamontagne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be that 40% of Canadians are bigots.  I would place the percentage of Quebecers who are anglophobic at about 40%.  And from my years in Alberta in the late 70s and 80s, there were about 40% of Albertans encountered in my day-to-day who displayed bigotted views - let those Eastern bastards freeze in the dark attitude was common, and I stopped counting the number of times I was told to not speak that language.  Add to that the number of people who hated having French &quot;rammed down their throats&quot; and you have probably reached 40%.  However, I cannot say that they all belong to one political group. But bigotry is one form or another is very much alive in Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be that 40% of Canadians are bigots.  I would place the percentage of Quebecers who are anglophobic at about 40%.  And from my years in Alberta in the late 70s and 80s, there were about 40% of Albertans encountered in my day-to-day who displayed bigotted views &#8211; let those Eastern bastards freeze in the dark attitude was common, and I stopped counting the number of times I was told to not speak that language.  Add to that the number of people who hated having French &quot;rammed down their throats&quot; and you have probably reached 40%.  However, I cannot say that they all belong to one political group. But bigotry is one form or another is very much alive in Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: craigola</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-3/#comment-217549</link>
		<dc:creator>craigola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s time...it&#039;s time...oh! It&#039;s time to hate the Swiss!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s time&#8230;it&#039;s time&#8230;oh! It&#039;s time to hate the Swiss!</p>
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		<title>By: kcm</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-3/#comment-217548</link>
		<dc:creator>kcm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand some of your angst. As a young man, in AB i greatly admired both Trudeau and Lougheed, often at the same time - still do...i&#039;ve never really recovered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand some of your angst. As a young man, in AB i greatly admired both Trudeau and Lougheed, often at the same time &#8211; still do&#8230;i&#039;ve never really recovered.</p>
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		<title>By: colbycosh</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-3/#comment-217547</link>
		<dc:creator>colbycosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Darwinian atheist who likes abortion, drugs, and pornography. Conservatives don&#039;t even let me in the backyard with their pets. But the confusion is understandable: I mostly write when there&#039;s a chance of annoying somebody, so EVERYBODY thinks I&#039;m on the opposite side at all times.

Toronto&#039;s a good case in point; as a visitor I really dig the place, and without it English Canada would stand among civilizations as the cultural equivalent of a Siberian oblast, but what purpose or function, even to Torontonians, would my goopy love letter to Toronto serve? That&#039;s a piece I would ONLY be interested in writing for an Alberta audience, which would despise the challenge to its prejudices and consider me a liberal traitor fit only for slow death by livestock hot-shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m a Darwinian atheist who likes abortion, drugs, and pornography. Conservatives don&#039;t even let me in the backyard with their pets. But the confusion is understandable: I mostly write when there&#039;s a chance of annoying somebody, so EVERYBODY thinks I&#039;m on the opposite side at all times.</p>
<p>Toronto&#039;s a good case in point; as a visitor I really dig the place, and without it English Canada would stand among civilizations as the cultural equivalent of a Siberian oblast, but what purpose or function, even to Torontonians, would my goopy love letter to Toronto serve? That&#039;s a piece I would ONLY be interested in writing for an Alberta audience, which would despise the challenge to its prejudices and consider me a liberal traitor fit only for slow death by livestock hot-shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Dot</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-3/#comment-217546</link>
		<dc:creator>Dot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we could just get a princess to kiss Crit_Reasoning, I&#039;m sure you&#039;d have good company. He&#039;s just down Queen Betty highway a few hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we could just get a princess to kiss Crit_Reasoning, I&#039;m sure you&#039;d have good company. He&#039;s just down Queen Betty highway a few hours.</p>
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		<title>By: SeanStok</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-217545</link>
		<dc:creator>SeanStok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And so, the backlash begins...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2XTuc6i1Uo&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2XTuc6i1Uo&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so, the backlash begins&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2XTuc6i1Uo" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2XTuc6i1Uo</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-217544</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, good point, and some days I think we could give the Hobbits a run for their money, let alone the Swiss.  Indeed, the 700-year thing is very much to the point: things have always been the same in Switzerland, the mountains, the clothing, the bed times; and there have &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; been minarets.  It&#039;s a miracle anybody converted the place to Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, good point, and some days I think we could give the Hobbits a run for their money, let alone the Swiss.  Indeed, the 700-year thing is very much to the point: things have always been the same in Switzerland, the mountains, the clothing, the bed times; and there have <i>never</i> been minarets.  It&#039;s a miracle anybody converted the place to Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: madeyoulook</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-217543</link>
		<dc:creator>madeyoulook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really? You asked them?</description>
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		<title>By: Gaunilon</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-217511</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaunilon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good explanation.  When I first heard about the minarets thing it just didn&#039;t compute.  Militant secularism I expect in France, and militant xenphobia I expect in Germany, but I couldn&#039;t put my finger on what would make the Swiss go for this.  Backlash against political correctness actually makes a lot of sense.

Now if only they&#039;ll see the folly of rebelling against political correctness by banning religious symbols, and instead remove themselves from the European pansy-ass state, we&#039;ll be getting somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s a good explanation.  When I first heard about the minarets thing it just didn&#39;t compute.  Militant secularism I expect in France, and militant xenphobia I expect in Germany, but I couldn&#39;t put my finger on what would make the Swiss go for this.  Backlash against political correctness actually makes a lot of sense.</p>
<p>Now if only they&#39;ll see the folly of rebelling against political correctness by banning religious symbols, and instead remove themselves from the European pansy-ass state, we&#39;ll be getting somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: kcm</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-217541</link>
		<dc:creator>kcm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t speak for Swiss at home, but in my admittedly limited experience, you called it...small minded...or at least provincial...which may be the same thing really.[ now i&#039;ll probably have someone on my tail for being an arrogant liberal...good thing i live in the NWT.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#039;t speak for Swiss at home, but in my admittedly limited experience, you called it&#8230;small minded&#8230;or at least provincial&#8230;which may be the same thing really.[ now i&#039;ll probably have someone on my tail for being an arrogant liberal...good thing i live in the NWT.]</p>
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		<title>By: kcm</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-217540</link>
		<dc:creator>kcm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colby&#039;s probably a liberal by AB con standards...just kidding...i know lots of Albertan&#039;s who can&#039;t abide social-clownservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colby&#039;s probably a liberal by AB con standards&#8230;just kidding&#8230;i know lots of Albertan&#039;s who can&#039;t abide social-clownservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: kcm</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-217539</link>
		<dc:creator>kcm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah the old enemy of my enemy is my friend ploy eh!
 I couldn&#039;t care less where it drew it&#039;s principle support. When the genisis of the uprising is rooted in fearmongering and xenophobia it&#039;ll get no support from me. The whole thing is shameful...i&#039;m reminded of similar shenanigans in Quebec.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah the old enemy of my enemy is my friend ploy eh!<br />
 I couldn&#039;t care less where it drew it&#039;s principle support. When the genisis of the uprising is rooted in fearmongering and xenophobia it&#039;ll get no support from me. The whole thing is shameful&#8230;i&#039;m reminded of similar shenanigans in Quebec.</p>
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		<title>By: madeyoulook</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-217538</link>
		<dc:creator>madeyoulook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, now you&#039;re guilty of the same thing.  Your quote tells us something about Marlene Jennings, or perhaps of Liberal MPs.  Do be more careful with your sweeping generalizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, now you&#039;re guilty of the same thing.  Your quote tells us something about Marlene Jennings, or perhaps of Liberal MPs.  Do be more careful with your sweeping generalizations.</p>
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		<title>By: madeyoulook</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-217537</link>
		<dc:creator>madeyoulook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought you convinced us it was the fault of direct democracy. By the way, we collected enough: your flight to Pyongyang departs Saturday.  You&#039;re welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought you convinced us it was the fault of direct democracy. By the way, we collected enough: your flight to Pyongyang departs Saturday.  You&#039;re welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-217536</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a &quot;generic popular revolt&quot; as it is simply across-the-board Swiss small-mindedness.  It&#039;s not like the default position of humanity is amity, provoked to grief by supercilious elites or cynical racists.  Some nations are just very small-minded.  Switzerland leads the pack.  Try ordering a caf&#233; cr&#232;me in a glass without schnapps in Zurich.  They&#039;re fanatics for &lt;i&gt;comme il faut&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a &quot;generic popular revolt&quot; as it is simply across-the-board Swiss small-mindedness.  It&#039;s not like the default position of humanity is amity, provoked to grief by supercilious elites or cynical racists.  Some nations are just very small-minded.  Switzerland leads the pack.  Try ordering a caf&eacute; cr&egrave;me in a glass without schnapps in Zurich.  They&#039;re fanatics for <i>comme il faut</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: kcm</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-217535</link>
		<dc:creator>kcm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And...that alleged popular revolt didn&#039;t include much of the MSM,  if i recall correctly...which i probably don&#039;t as i ceased caring after meech. CC may well have been leading the charge for all i know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And&#8230;that alleged popular revolt didn&#039;t include much of the MSM,  if i recall correctly&#8230;which i probably don&#039;t as i ceased caring after meech. CC may well have been leading the charge for all i know.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard_S_Argent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard_S_Argent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So let&#039;s see what I&#039;ve read so far:

1) A couple articles expressing skepticism about climate change (the much ballyhooed &quot;climategate&quot;...Still like Monbiot as much now that he compared Canadian Oil to Japanese Whaling?)
2) Bemoaning how awful some aspect of life is in Toronto
3) Blaming liberals for the minaret ban
4) A couple amusing articles about famous sports celebrities

I&#039;m sure you have some fine distinction you like to make, that you&#039;re a &quot;small government ,right leaning, populist libertarian&quot; or some such thing...but from what you&#039;ve shown so far, you&#039;re a conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So let&#039;s see what I&#039;ve read so far:</p>
<p>1) A couple articles expressing skepticism about climate change (the much ballyhooed &quot;climategate&quot;&#8230;Still like Monbiot as much now that he compared Canadian Oil to Japanese Whaling?)<br />
2) Bemoaning how awful some aspect of life is in Toronto<br />
3) Blaming liberals for the minaret ban<br />
4) A couple amusing articles about famous sports celebrities</p>
<p>I&#039;m sure you have some fine distinction you like to make, that you&#039;re a &quot;small government ,right leaning, populist libertarian&quot; or some such thing&#8230;but from what you&#039;ve shown so far, you&#039;re a conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard_S_Argent</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/02/unobserved-irony-about-that-swiss-minaret-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-217532</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard_S_Argent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No argument there...but saying there was a major disconnect between the citizenry and the political establishment is not the same as saying it was &quot;a generic popular revolt against supercilious elites acting in perceived concert.&quot;

Pretty much every analysis I&#039;ve ever read states that the reason for its failure was because it offered a little of everything to everybody and in doing so didn&#039;t do enough to satisfy supporters of each aspect and ensured that it had as many detractors as possible (even those who supported one aspect could find another they didn&#039;t)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No argument there&#8230;but saying there was a major disconnect between the citizenry and the political establishment is not the same as saying it was &quot;a generic popular revolt against supercilious elites acting in perceived concert.&quot;</p>
<p>Pretty much every analysis I&#039;ve ever read states that the reason for its failure was because it offered a little of everything to everybody and in doing so didn&#039;t do enough to satisfy supporters of each aspect and ensured that it had as many detractors as possible (even those who supported one aspect could find another they didn&#039;t)</p>
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		<title>By: Raging_Ranter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raging_Ranter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The political classes were united in their support - outright &lt;i&gt;fanatical&lt;/i&gt; support - of the Accord. To the point where they resorted to fear tactics to try and sell it. (Joe Clark warning us of the impending return of FLQ bombings. Numerous PC and Liberal MPs, including such notables as Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Liberal MP Paul Martin, hinting that those who opposed it were guilty of treason.) MPs passed it &lt;i&gt;unanimously&lt;/i&gt; in Parliament. It was rejected in all provinces but one. If that isn&#039;t a major disconnect between the citizenry and the ruling elite, I don&#039;t know how else to interpret it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The political classes were united in their support &#8211; outright <i>fanatical</i> support &#8211; of the Accord. To the point where they resorted to fear tactics to try and sell it. (Joe Clark warning us of the impending return of FLQ bombings. Numerous PC and Liberal MPs, including such notables as Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Liberal MP Paul Martin, hinting that those who opposed it were guilty of treason.) MPs passed it <i>unanimously</i> in Parliament. It was rejected in all provinces but one. If that isn&#039;t a major disconnect between the citizenry and the ruling elite, I don&#039;t know how else to interpret it.</p>
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		<title>By: s_c_f</title>
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		<dc:creator>s_c_f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The design of mosques has changed significantly over the years.

The burka also did not become a feature of Islam until recently.  You can say the same about a whole slew of Islamic behaviours.  Pretty well everything the Taliban stands for has been a recent addition to Islam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The design of mosques has changed significantly over the years.</p>
<p>The burka also did not become a feature of Islam until recently.  You can say the same about a whole slew of Islamic behaviours.  Pretty well everything the Taliban stands for has been a recent addition to Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: Raging_Ranter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raging_Ranter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How? Does the new citizenship guide offend you that badly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How? Does the new citizenship guide offend you that badly?</p>
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