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236 Responses to “Is Canada shirking its international obligations when it comes to climate change?”
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Well, people are paranoid about climate change… Nothing we can do about it.
Le réchauffement climatique, un mythe?? Hé! Oh! En est-on vraiment encore là… c'est triste, triste comme d'appuyer ce gouvernement du Moyen-Âge .
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I'm appalled by the fact that 40% actually chose "climate change is a myth" I really hope that's not all of Canada's consensus.
I wish, I really wish, that the denyers were accurate. But they are not. They have just joined the latest religion, spun into being by the OIl industry. I can understand why people are loathe to accept the awful truth. But it doesn't mean they aren't being childish and irresponsbile.
I see that 41% opted for the ''Climate change is a myth'' option. I always wondered how the heck Stephen Harper got to be elected Prime Minister of this country–now I have my answer.
Want to learn something, Google "Sea Level and Climate"
Brilliant:
I don't understand the position of those who want to do nothing to address climate change… just in case there is a giant conspiracy amongst the scientific community.
Here's how I see it:
Column 1 – AGW is real
Column 2 – AGW isn't real
Row 1 – Do something
Row 2 – Do nothing
C1R1 – Despite perhaps being too late, we make an effort to prevent massive disaster. Economic stimulus helps 'green' growth while potentially harming fossil fuel industry. Crisis may not be averted but valiant efforts unite the nation and the world.
C1R2 – Worst case scenario. No effort is made and the results of AGW create misery, war, famine, climate refugees, and eco-terrorists who have a real bone to pick with Canada and USA.
C2R1- AGW isn't real but effort is made anyway. Green industry receives stimulus at taxpayers expense, thus leveling the field with the massive subsidies given to fossil fuel industry. Fossil fuel industry is no longer sucking up all the taxpayer subsidies and has real competition for the first time.
C2R2 – Status quo: we continue to subsidize fossil fuel industry at the expense of free market until green technologies are finally able to overcome the gov't coddling of fossil fuel industry and wind/solar/geothermal displaces fossil fuels with undeniable cost-savings.
Climate change began when the earth began and has been changing ever since and as long as the earth exists climate will be changing and there not much earthlings can do about it unless they can learn how to control the sun. So there is not much use spending thrillions of dollars for not much climate change.
20,000 years ago one third of the earth was covered in ice and the oceans were 400 feet lower than they are today and some time in the past they were about 60 feet higher than they are today. Global warming, well that started about 20,000 years ago when the glaciers began to melt and I dont think there was too many SUVs running around nor were there any coal burning power plants spewing carbon dioxide into the air. So Gore and Suziki tell me why did all that ice melt and the oceans rise 400 hundred feet?
First thing that got me suspicious of “global warming” was the fact that too many governments around the world agreed. That many governments NEVER agree on ANYTHING unless it’s a prelude to restriction of their people, and taking more money from them.
Second thing that made me suspicious was the fact that less than 2 months went by and a global carbon credits SCAM was introduced. GLOBAL leglsiative packages are NOT born in two months. NEVER. It’s simply not possible to do anything like that in such a limited time frame.
Third thing that got me thinking was the fact that polluters get to buy carbon credits from non-polluters, allowing the non-polluters to continie not polluting, and allowing the polluters to keep polluting, resulting in a net benefit of ZERO enviromentally, but in the trillions globally in the form of new taxes and price hikes that ultimately are born by consumers. The ONLY way to avoid this new “non-tax” is to stop consuming ANYTHING…and since that is not possible, the end result is that since everyone pays it, it is a form of taxation without representation…as are almost all forms of taxation today.
Talk about “cow fart taxes” brought the whole idea to the point of utter insanity.
While I am not anywhere near to being against green technologies, and I’ve been tyring to convince people to put up solar panels for decades already–and been either completely ignored or ridiculed–if we do such things as plant a few solar panels on our roofs, this WILL decrease the requirement for carbon-burning/releasing fuels to heat our homes or generate electricity, and if it proves that the many and obvious falsities being put forward have any basis in truth, the these carbon emission reductions will already be in place, at a long-term benefit to the environment, and to the consumer’s bank balance.
The main trouble is that our governments see the only way to fix anything is to find new ways to steal money from the people, and we’re so accustomed to KNOWING that they’re lying to us that we also KNOW that they can not be trusted to do anything BUT lie to us to steal more of our money.
The government KNOWS that the people are too stupid to run their own lives, and they seek to control ever more facets of our daily existence…but eventually, all the new government jobs are going to come crashing down when the time comes that there are more people working within government than are left to support it…it’s time to look at reality for a change, and stop buying into all of the propaganda from those very same people that we already know have been lying to us for decades.
It’s time to get rid of the genocidal criminals who have allowed this world to become what it is…only after they’re gone will we be able to repair the damage that out of control governments have wrought against society.
Awesome response!
Will have the same results as those that thought Bush was an angel.
Another 7 years on no activity and we will be that much closer to the truth.
By then it will be too late to make any significant change, or those that say it is all a bunch of """"" are right. I hope they are right but personally think they are fools leading us down that path of no return and we will all suffer the consequences.. God, do I ever hope they are right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Again obfuscating the subject. Pollution is pollution. CO2 is LIFE GIVING!
Nice to see the elders in the north being part of that "SCIENTIFIC" community. I wonder where they got their degrees?
WHat if- just what if the models were wrong as they apparently are based on fudged data, and the world really has been cooling for ten years now (which it has been), and the previous warming was brought on by high sunspot activity, which is a fact, and you have now ripped apart your country and given its resources away to the third world which continues to overbreed and is not held to account for their contributions.
Giving away your house so homeless people can have one is non-sensical. It makes you homeless too.
Besides, the ice (which is much denser than water) displaces no more mass than the medium itself. Try melting 6 ice cubes in a glass of water, and see if it overflows. then get back to me with your "proof" on how the polar ice caps melting is going to cause the water levels to rise some 30 feet.
Ice is much denser than water, you say? Is that why ice floats on water? You have shot your silly arguments in the head.
Water is life-giving as well. Go stick your face in a pail of it for half-an-hour, please, would you?
And no, it hasn't been cooling. The temperature data was provided to statisticians without telling them what the data represented, they all agreed there was no discernable trend of decreasing numbers whatsoever. See here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/26/tech/ma...
Sunspot activity has been on a lull for a long time now. Temperatures keep climbing.
Ice is not denser than water, but you're correct in that it doesn't increase the level of the water, if it's in the water already. Unfortunately, in Antarctica, the ice is on a large land mass, and melting into the water.
Really all just basic facts, which if you'd engaged in looking up the actual science rather than anti-climate change blog posts, you'd see.
As for your other arguments, whether you've raised them yet or not, they're debunked here:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
Q. Why do Canadians use 6 times more enegy than Mexicans,Algerians or Indians?.,
A. See "World Map"
And why do we use more than swedes?
With 2% of world GHG emissions even a 100% reduction is meaningless in global terms. Dwelling on per capita #'s (where our 33Mil population is amoung highest) is a distraction metric favoured by the GW fanatics. Need to focus on the global problem. Therefore, a made in Canada solution oblivious to programs major emitters develop would be the wrong plan. Must coordinate our program(s) with the majors.
How is it a distraction given that we know the rest of the world wants to live in the style that Canadians do, if not better?
How is it a distraction when there are other countries, like Sweden, that aren't nearly as high on a per-capita basis?
We're in a place where we have the opportunity, and the ability, to figure out how to do a lot more with a lot less.. and if we get off the stick and figure out how to do it first, it's a huge opportunity to sell that technology to the developing world and our more eco-minded neighbours.
I think this poll and the large % of its responses it got can be summed up in one word. POINTLESS. I have other words I'd like to use. I don't want to seem like a hypocrite here as I did find myself reading through the conversations here, because honestly I find this form of debauchery amusing, but don't you people have something better to be doing with your time? Time to go bake some bread, sort my recycling and have some wild sex with the man…. Enjoy your weekend all. Wait my post was pointless too!! Yaaaaargh.
Climate change is a natural phenomenom, Hope I spelled it right. Climate change happens year round. Too bad we can not choose a natural cause.
I suppose this is not going to matter to those who have already decided anthropogenic climate change is a hoax, farce, or even conspiracy, but here is Scientific American's take on it. And this is not some "lefty" publication.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=...
dont read macleans.ca it is complete trash
Anyone who votes that climate change is a myth is an embarassment to humankind.
How can anyone be so blind? Or scared to lose their comfortable indecent lives…
Yes it s a big show that can be criticized, but Groenland has shrunk by half, no matter
how much lies and fake solutions are being thrown in our faces…