Parliament will fight

What’s at stake here is nothing less than our system of government

by Andrew Coyne on Monday, December 21, 2009 12:10pm - 263 Comments

Parliament will fight

We are not yet in a constitutional crisis over the government’s refusal to release the Colvin memos to Parliament, but we probably should be. A secretive and overbearing government has turned an ordinary political dispute into an extraordinary confrontation over the powers and privileges of Parliament. Unless some compromise is found, Parliament will fight, and Parliament will be right.

What began as a manageable controversy over the Harper government’s faltering attempts to deal with a problem it inherited from the Liberals—what to do with the prisoners our forces captured in Afghanistan—has been transformed, via the Conservatives’ reflexive paranoia and insularity, into a full-blown political debacle, complete with martyred whistle-blower, outraged former ambassadors, self-correcting generals, and befuddled ministers. And running throughout, a drumbeat of press reports contradicting virtually every aspect of the government’s story.

It now appears, contrary to the government’s repeated assurances, that at least some of the prisoners we transferred to the Afghan police and security services were tortured, or at least abused; that at least some of our troops knew this; and that serious concerns about the treatment of these prisoners, and about our own procedures for reporting on their whereabouts, were relayed to government and Defence officials, not only from Richard Colvin, the diplomat at the centre of the storm, but from multiple sources.

None of this is evidence of a deliberate policy of transferring prisoners for torture, or even negligent disregard of their probable fate—the stuff of war crimes charges. Neither can we say for a fact that senior officials knew prisoners were being mistreated. The facts, at least so far, remain consistent with a story of officials’ evolving awareness of the seriousness of the problem, and of the inadequacies of their initial responses.

It was, after all, at Canada’s insistence that an agreement was first struck with the Afghan government in December 2005, requiring that any prisoners be treated humanely according to the Geneva Conventions, and ensuring access to Red Cross inspectors at any time. As the weakness of that agreement became apparent, a new arrangement was struck in February 2007 providing for the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission to make inspections as well. Corrections Canada officers were flown over to make recommendations for improving Afghan prisons. And when even that proved deficient (the AIHRC complained it was being denied access), after the publication in April 2007 of prisoners’ allegations of mistreatment the protocol was changed yet again, to provide for inspections by Canadian officials.

It is legitimate to ask why it took so many months for the Harper government to arrive at the same protocol that was insisted upon by the British and Dutch forces from the start. It is equally legitimate to ask why the previous Liberal government did not simply hand any prisoners taken over to the American military, rather than gamble on the prison system of a country whose notion of justice might charitably be described as medieval. Even allowing for the confusion that typifies any war zone, let alone Afghanistan, the answers might well have reflected poorly on both governments.

But whatever controversy might thus have been aroused would have been nothing like the firestorm in which the Conservatives now find themselves, owing entirely to their refusal to allow the evidence to come out—a policy that, whatever its motives, has only fed suspicions of wrongdoing. If the government has nothing to hide, it sure seems determined to hide it.

It is not only Parliament, we should recall, that the government has been stonewalling. Colvin’s sensational appearance before the Commons special committee on Afghanistan only came about after the chairman of the military police complaints commission, Peter Tinsley, discontinued hearings into the treatment of Afghan detainees in the face of the government’s persistent refusal to release the relevant documents to the commission.

Obstructing the work of a quasi-judicial commission is one thing—regrettably, hardly unusual in this country, where the shutdown of the Somalia inquiry caused barely a ripple. But refusing a Commons committee’s demand for the documents—and, more remarkably, last week’s vote of the full House—is another thing again.

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  • orval

    Those 4 RCMP members at Vancouver International Airport will be very happy to learn they had nothing to do with Robert Dzienaski's death… it was the policy.

  • James Connors

    Though, I must admit I take a certain liberty with the word "backwards."

  • Loraine Lamontagne

    Parliamentarians are definitively not above the law. But Parliament is – what is the notwithstanding clause about? Parliament can override the Constitution (the law).

    In the case of the Evidence Act, thank you, Mr. Coyne, for informing readers of the stated intent of the legislator to the House that Parliament’s privilege to send [for] persons, papers and records not be affected” by the Evidence Act.

    • shouldIsellyourwheat

      The notwithstanding clause is a check and balance that the legislative branch has to protect society against they tyranny of the courts. Various tyrannies are possible. Tyranny of the majority. Tyranny of the minority. Tyranny of the executive branch. Tyranny of the courts. The majority might think that the courts got a decision wrong.

      Remember, currently the PM chooses Supreme Court justices. Suppose a PM you disagree with stacks the court with justices who make decisions that you think are egregiously wrong. That is what the notwithstanding clause if for.

      The notwithstanding clause should be hard to use and rarely used, but it is there in case the courts become tyrannical.

      For an example of a court decision in the US that might be considered by many to be tyrannical…i.e. Roe v. Wade, where a progressive might have found a notwithstanding clause useful?

  • http://theplaceofbiff.blogspot.com biff

    This issue and,
    spent in own riding gate,
    giant ceremonial check gate,
    ate the wafer gate,

    will almost certainly be put to the public in a vote early spring. We will see if the public deems these to be matters of importance to all Canadians, or desperate volleys by a hyperpartisan opposition (media) willing to sling mud at whatever direction and whatever the cost.

    Judging by some of the comments in the sub threads here, the last thing the left wants is to have the public decide these issues.

    If only these matters could be decided by the editorial boards of the Globe and Mail and the CBC, eh?

    No. The democracy you've be crying crocodile tears over, is alive and well in Canada, and will be in full expression soon.

    • Jan

      Hyperpartisan opposition – you see that as the problem? Really?

    • Lord Kitchener's Own

      If in between elections our government is going to ignore the supremacy of Parliament, and treat majority votes in the House of Commons demanding government accountability as though they are meaningless, then elections become basically show pieces. Democratic fig leaves. If we're going to let governments ignore the constitutional supremacy of Parliament, and Parliament's essential role of holding our government to account (especially with a government with less than 40% electoral support!) then we no longer have responsible government in Canada, and no number of elections will fix that. I've got no problem with us going to the polls over this, but let's not pretend that, even if they win a MAJORITY, that winning an election would make the Tories "right" on this issue. No electoral result can place the executive above Parliament. It's not actually possible for us to simply vote ourselves out of responsible government in a regular election (and for very good reasons). Despite what Tory supporters might think, even a successful election won't obsolve them of their latest transgressions

  • Kev C

    Whither, Mr. Accountability?

  • Brian

    Bravo, Andrew.

  • Brian

    Orval wrote:

    "Our host is wrong. In our system of government, Parliament, like the Sovereign, is not above the law. If Parliament wants to exempt itself from the provisions of the Security of Information Act (formerly the Official Secrets Act) and the Canada Evidence Act, it can adopt amendments to those Acts to enable that to happen. But absent those changes, Parliament must abide by the law of the land as every other Canadian citizen."

    Orval's post – like my former colleagues now working on the Hill – grossly misrepresents the situation.

    The issue isn't that Parliament is above the law. The issue is that the *Cabinet* isn't above the law. The law in question being the Constitution of Canada, both in its written and conventional form. And Constitutionally, Parliament's right to examine its Ministers, demand public papers for examination, compel testimony and hold its public servants to account for the purpose of oversight supercedes mere statute.

    By way of comparison, if Orval's blue herring was correct, then Parliament wouldn't have protection from libel laws while in session either. But of course, they do – for precisely the same reason. They, our representatives, must have the freedom to debate the laws and their implementation thoroughly if they are to be properly informed when they vote on those laws. The fact that this principle has rarely been exercised properly doesn't make it any less important to protect it for those occasions, like this one, when the principle matters more..

    Civil wars have been fought over less.

    • orval

      Two different issues. The immunity from libel action for statements made in the House of Commons is to ensure freedom to debate in Parliament. If the MP steps outside of the House and makes the same statement, he/she is subject to libel action as any other citizen. This unique privilege has been upheld by the Courts and thus is settled law.

      Parliament is not immune from the law (remember, all laws must have Royal Assent in order to become law) unless provision is made in the law for an exemption. An example of this is the Privacy Act. In that Act, MPs have the power to request personal information in the possession of a governmental department that a citizen can't access without the consent of the person whom the information pertains. This provision is frequently used in immigration applications because the prospective immigrant, who isn't a Canadian citizen, cannot give consent to have personal information released. The family in Canada, or the lawyer, have to ask their local MP to obtain the personal information (e.g. status of immigrant visa application) in order to find out what's going on with the file at the visa office abroad.

      The point is the law (Privacy Act) gives a MP an exemption to the general rule that personal information cannot be released to a third party.

      If Parliament wants to exempt itself from the Security of Information Act, then it can amend the Act accordingly. It can even do it retroactively, but it has to change the law.

      • kcm

        The Commons law clerk, Rob Walsh, takes the opposite view. In a strongly worded exchange of letters with the Department of Justice, Walsh puts the onus the other way around: in the absence of a specific exception in the statutes, the general presumption of parliamentary privilege should apply. If Parliament had wanted the Canada Evidence Act to limit its right to compel evidence, it would have said so. In fact, the parliamentary secretary to the justice minister at the time was at pains to spell out in debate that the intent of the bill was that “Parliament’s privilege to send [for] persons, papers and records not be affected.”

        I beleive the law clerks opinion may carry more weight than yours in tis case.

        • orval

          My opinion is immaterial. The Supreme Court of Canada will have to ultimately decide who is right, if the matter ever goes to court.

          • Lord Kitchener's Own

            Actually, I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court would refuse to hear any such case precisely on the grounds that in matters pertaining to the ability of the House of Commons to hold the government to account, Parliamentary privilege is beyond the purview of the Supreme Court of Canada. In fact, I believe there are already precedents in which the Supremes have made this point.

          • orval

            Actually the SCC considered the limits of parliamentary privilege in the case of Canada (House of Commons) v. Vaid and Human Rights Commission of Canada (20 May 2005).

            The SCC decided that legislatures created under the Constitution Act, 1867 "do not create enclaves shielded from the ordinary law of the land" but that parliamentary privilege operates to provide the "necessary immunity" for legislators to do their work. The test of what is "necessary" relates to that which the dignity, autonomy and efficiency of the House require. The role of the Courts is to ensure that a claim of privilege does not immunize from the ordinary laws the consequences of conduct by Parliament that exceeds the normal scope of the category of privilege being asserted.

            The SCC decided that "in order for a claim of privilege to be sustained, [Parliament]

          • orval

            The SCC decided that "in order for a claim of privilege to be sustained, [Parliament] seeking immunity must show that the sphere of activity for which the immunity is claimed is so closely and directly connected with the fulfillment by [Parliament] as a legislative and deliberative body, including [Parliament]'s working in holding the government to account, that outside interference would undermine the level of autonomy required to enable [Parliament] to do their work with dignity and efficiency."

            I don't know how the SCC would rule in this case where it is claimed that parliamentary privilege overcomes the legal prohibitions contained in Security of Information Act. But Vaid cases states that Parliament is subject to the law unless "necessity" requires it to be immune from the law. So the presumption is that Parliament obeys the law of the land, unless it can be demonstrated that Parliament cannot do its job.

            I would argue that Parliament can do its job without having to disclose information that might endanger Canadian soldiers and operations, but the Court would have to ultimately decide the issue.

            So Parliament should seek to take this to Court.

            (sorry for the truncated post)

          • Lord Kitchener's Own

            "the sphere of activity for which the immunity is claimed is so closely and directly connected with the fulfilment by [Parliament] as a legislative and deliberative body, including [Parliament]'s working in holding the government to account"

            How on Earth could a court possibly rule that a majority vote in the House of Commons demanding the production of documents that may (or may not) show that government Ministers and high ranking military officials lied to Parliamentary Committees and on the floor of the House of Commons itself on an issue of this importance is NOT "directly connected with holding the government to account"???

            If we have to take this to the Supremes to move forward, that's fine by me. I personally think it'll take them about five seconds to say that this is a matter of Parliamentary privilege and that it's not their place to interfere with any attempt by the House of Commons to hold a government to account.

  • Bill

    If Parliament is not supreme and above all and Canadians cannot get the answers we need then why vote. If the exercise of our democratic right doesn't result in Parliament being supreme, what is the point of participating in the exercise?

  • Neil

    The only thing is, if there really are secrets the committee members cannot be trusted. I'm reminded of Trudeau and Joe Clark. Trudeau came within a smidgen of blowing the Iran hostage situation wide open before the hostages were rescued. Joe had taken Trudeau into his confidence and shouldn't have. Trudeau could not be trusted even when the very lives of the hostages and Canadian officials were immediately involved.

    • kcm

      Provide some evidence for that opinion please…a man who enacted the WMA couldn't be trusted – absurd!

  • the realist

    I do not say this often but in this case Mr. Coyne is completely right. A fundamental of the system is that Parliament, acting within its legitimate jurisdiction as defined by the Charter of rights and the constitution cannot bind future parliaments. Hence a resolution of parliament demanding access to documents must be obeyed even if it contravenes previous resolutions or bills. The only way to bind future parliaments is by enshrining the resolutions in the constitution.
    The situation emphasizes the terrible condition of our democracy which is at risk not from attacks by the taliban but by subversion by our prime ministers. It is growing increasingly urgent that the Prime Minister's office be striped of its powers and these be returned to the Commons where they belong. The Royal Prerogative (the residual powers of the crown as exercised by the Prime minister) should either be constitutionalized (fixed election dates) or be submitted to the approval of parliament (appointments to the Supreme Court, prorogation of parliament, appointment of the Governor general etc).

    • shouldIsellyourwheat

      Parlament isn't bound. It can change the law. It can change the Evidence Act and it can change the National Securities law. The rule-of-law is supposed to be inconvenient. Parliamentarians should have to obey the laws that they pass, just like normal people.

      • James Connors

        "Parliamentarians should have to obey the laws that they pass, just like normal people."

        Fixed election dates and all then?

        • for freedom

          Parliamentarians have to obey the law. Parliament makes laws and that is what a parliamentary resolution does.

  • the realist

    It is said that Power corrupts. That applies to all who exercise it. To see the proof you merely have to contrast the democratic principals Stephen Harper claimed to champion before coming to power (see article at link http://splatto.net/blog/post/2009/09/12/Our-Benig… ) and his actual dictatorial style once he claimed to power. The solution is not to leave the system as is and hope to put men in power who can be trusted not to be corrupted by power: no such men exist in any party. The solution is to put checks into place to make it less likely that the power will be abused as it has been by recent prime ministers

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/MaggiesFarmboy MaggiesFarmboy

    Andrew, the House, acting on its own is not "Parliament". I wonder what the Senate's Law Clerk thinks of the House of Commons unilaterally overriding laws passed by both upper and lower chambers.

    What you are really suggesting is that the "House of Commons" is supreme. It isn't. Parliament is.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/MaggiesFarmboy MaggiesFarmboy

    And this is not to suggest that all of the redactions claimed over the documents were legitimate. But they were made pursuant to exisitng laws. Parliament can decide to amend its own laws, of course. It is just that it hasn't chosen to do so, yet.

  • goodforus

    I disagree

  • Brian

    Maggie's Farmboy, the House has the right to examine the Ministry, its servants, papers and accounts for the purposes of oversight. It does not have to consult with the Senate to beg its permission to do so, just as it doesn't have to wait for the Senate's approval to vote on matters of confidence. This isn't about "Parliament" overriding laws; it's about the House performing functions *within* Parliament that by definition supercede those laws.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/MaggiesFarmboy MaggiesFarmboy

      So, it could decide to review and publicly debate your income tax returns for the last ten years, despite privacy laws preventing it from doing so?

      There is no parallel with matters of confidence. The government must have the confidence of both houses to carry on, by Parliamentary convention.

      There is absolutely no similar convention with respect to the "right" to see information otherwise governed by the national security privileges. Walsh could not cite a single previous example.

      If there were such a convention, the answer here would be clear.

      I don't like the outcome either, but there is no sense wishing it weren't so.

      It's Parliament's duty to amend the law.

      • kcm

        "The Commons law clerk, Rob Walsh, takes the opposite view. In a strongly worded exchange of letters with the Department of Justice, Walsh puts the onus the other way around: in the absence of a specific exception in the statutes, the general presumption of parliamentary privilege should apply. If Parliament had wanted the Canada Evidence Act to limit its right to compel evidence, it would have said so. In fact, the parliamentary secretary to the justice minister at the time was at pains to spell out in debate that the intent of the bill was that “Parliament’s privilege to send [for] persons, papers and records not be affected.”

        It seems you have a bee in your bonnet about this. Walsh is clear on this. He says the onus is not on the committee to justify its demands.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/MaggiesFarmboy MaggiesFarmboy

          Well, I agree with the arms length academics Monahan and Scott, who disagree with Walsh. House Law Clerks generally tend to favour the interests of the House of Commons in these disputes.

          Regardless, it is clear that there is a legitimate disagreement.

          How are such matters resolved? Either by reference to the Supreme Court, or by amending legislation.

          Crying "Parliamenary Supremacy" over and over again, even in lengthy Maclean's pieces, resolves nothing.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

        "The government must have the confidence of both houses to carry on, by Parliamentary convention."

        Really? I'm probably exposing a weak point in my understanding of things, but I can't recall the Senate ever being asked to provide confidence for a sitting government via a vote.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/MaggiesFarmboy MaggiesFarmboy

          You are right. It's theoretical only. It would be profoundly democratic in our system.

          • Lord Kitchener's Own

            No "one" is above the statutes of Canada, however the Constitution of Canada is, and as it relates to Parliament's ability to hold a government to account, parliamentary privilege is part of our Constitution. Parliament can no more pass a law which in any way constrains the ability of a future Parliament to hold a government to account than they could pass a law appointing me dictator for life. Well, they can pass such a law of course, but it
            would be constitutionally pointless and moot. If a mere statute could establish a condition preventing our elected representatives from holding our government to account then our constitutional conventions would be essentially meaningless, and a majority government really would be an elected dictatorship.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Loafy Loafy

    Great article.The Tories are banking on apathy in the population, and that will go a long way, but journalists are indignant and not just on the left. This smells like contempt of Parliament and that should frighten any journalist worth his salt.

  • the realist

    I wonder what Harper would say if he asked the GG to prorogue parliament and she insisted that the house must vote for prorogation before she let him do it?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/balabu balabu

    I am sure that Osama Bin Laden and Mulah Omar following the debate and laughing under their beards (although there is no humour in Islam but this might an exception). As Lenin called the western intellectuals that supported the Communism “Useful Idiots” I think that OBL and Mulah Omar will call those that are up in arms about alleged treatment of captured insurgents “Useful Infidels”. There is a chance that if any of the screamers about this issue is captured by the Insurgents he may be for a special treat of having his head cut of with a sharp knife instead of a dull one

  • Gene Rodwell

    Andrew claims that Derek Lee a “Liberal MP could fairly be said to have written the book on this issue—literally.” I recall a different issue (the Heritage Front Affair) when Derek was the Chair of the committee investigating the issue. He showed up on National News stamping his feet in the foyer vowing to “use all the power of the House of Commons to get to the bottom of the issue.”

    He was then quietly moved off the committee and left the issue for someone else to whitewash, which was done. The opposition reports were mush more useful than that approved by the government. Thus Derek Lee has no more credibility that anyone else.

  • Ryan

    It simply just isn't the big issue that Liberals wish to make it out to be. I understand that perhaps less than great things might have occurred here, but it seems to me that it's more in the interest of the Liberals to gain power than it is in the interest of our army in Afghanistan.

    We really shouldn't be playing political football with anything that involves our troops' lives.

    I agree that we should find out exactly what happened, but at this time it should not be a priority. Perhaps come 2011, when we are to withdraw from combat status in Afghanistan, might be a good time, but now, while our troops are still fighting for us, is not at all helpful to our forces, and we should be helping our forces win this fight and not undermine them one iota.

    • orval

      Agreed. Twenty years or more from now, long after our troops have left the field, historians will be able to look at the unredacted reports and write about what they find. Until then, while our troops are in harm's way. even if there is less than a 1% chance that they might be endangered by the release of classified information to the public, it is simply not worth the risk.

  • Brian

    What are you, some sort of bot? Did you read a word of what was said above?

    If we want to "help our forces win this fight," the *best* thing we can do is resolve this, now. For twenty good reasons, but making sure DND, the PMO and Foreign Affairs keep their eye on the ball is reason enough. Soldiers on the ground aren't the only aspect of the war. Policy is another.

    Our soldiers can handle themselves just fine. They're facing IEDs and bullets; a few questions in parliament about prisoner transfer rules won't hurt them at all. If anyone in this world understands the need for someone to kick the suits and the REMF and low-rent allies around a little to make sure we aren't 'accidentally' acting as a recruiter for the Taliban through bad policy, I'm pretty sure a Canadian soldier does.

    This has nothing to do with political football, and everything to do with governing properly.

  • ex canuck

    Partisan pomposity reigns in this entire piece, starting with Coyne's emotional rant and proceeding through most of the responses. The piece is true to Canadian form, ie, when the debate gets sticky, talk constitution.

    • Lord Kitchener's Own

      Pesky constitution. I'm with ex canuck, it's so darned inconvenient.

  • http://www.a-squad.ru/ fightman

    I want to say no comment)))

  • Spenc BC

    You the Liberal press would like to have another constitutional crisis like last year but we the Canadian people will have none of it. In your dreams Coyne. McCleans is now off my list. Just another Fing liberal rag.

    • Cameron

      good call. because reading only what you agree with is the road to enlightenment.

  • Edm AB Guy

    By proroging parlieament to shut down the Afghan detainee inquiry that is proving very damaging to the Conservatives (and rightfully so), the Conservatives have crossed a line that most Canadians will not tolerate or easily forgive. The latest EKOS poll shows the Conservatives numbers are conintuiing to fall fairly rapidly:
    (See http://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2010/01/tor… )
    Cons 33.1%, Libs 27.8%, NDP 16%, Green 13.4%, Bloc 9.8%.

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