John Geddes

John Geddes

John Geddes writes on politics and policy, with occasional reporting and comment on arts and culture.

Shutting down Parliament: on the economy, detainees, and senators

by John Geddes on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:26pm - 189 Comments

I took three main points from the media briefing offered earlier this afternoon by Dimitri Soudas, the Prime Minister’s press secretary, on shutting down Parliament until March 3. MPs had been scheduled to return from their year-end break on Jan. 25.

1. The government is emphasizing the economy. Soudas said a new parliamentary session is needed to set in motion “basically the next phase of the economic action plan.” There will be a budget on March 4, the day following the throne speech that will begin the new session. However, how much “action” can there possibly be in that plan? After all, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty has been warning Canadians not to expect anything much in the way of new tax cuts or spending. That suggests to me something more like an inaction plan, not necessarily a bad thing, but why does it require a new session?

2. The Conservatives are hoping the Afghan detainees issue will fizzle from lack of Question Period and House committee attention. Asked if the government will at least appoint a new Military Police Complaints Commission chair, to allow the MPCC to resume its own inquiry into the matter, Soudas didn’t come close to answering. Instead, he took the opportunity to slam the opposition parties for pursuing what he cast as a stale file. “They are looking at an issue where it is old news,” he said, adding, “And we’re going to continue focusing on the economy.” Obviously, keeping the issue alive through January and February is now a key challenge facing Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff.

3. The Prime Minister is eager not to be seen as wasting the work already done by the House on important legislation. Soudas said the private member’s bill to scrap the long-gun registry will not be affected by ending one parliamentary session and beginning another. He said key bills on consumer protection and drug crime will be reintroduced intact in the new session. And he suggested Parliament will function more smoothly when it resumes, since the Prime Minister will have had time to appoint five new senators—not quite enough for a Tory Senate majority, but giving them more senators than the Liberals. All this, though, argues for continuity with the work of the session the Prime Minister is ending, rather than providing any convincing grounds for starting a whole new one.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dennis_F Dennis_F

    In other words, you don't have a coherent response to any of it, right?

    • Anon

      "In other words, you don't have a coherent response to any of it, right?"

      In other words, you're stupid, right?

      • YSP

        In order to have a coherent response, I think we'll need a coherent question. Or a coherent reason given for proroguing.

        IMHO, Harper just needs some time to get his meds balanced. Either that man is on high doses of SSRI's & benzodiazepines or the Zombie Master is ruling this country,

  • http://theplaceofbiff.blogspot.com biff

    millions and millions of "astroturfers",

    who are likely to put Harper in a majority this spring.

  • John Charles

    And he suggested Parliament will function more smoothly when it resumes, since the Prime Minister will have had time to appoint five new senators—not quite enough for a Tory Senate majority, but giving them more senators than the Liberals.

    And the railways ran on time in Nazi Germany.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Norman_OustonBC Norman_OustonBC

      Yep. Leave it to a lieberal to bring another Nazi nattering into the fray. What a dunderhead this dude is. Go back to bed dummy.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

    Keeping away from an opposition can take many forms. Castro uses one; Harper uses another. The intention is the same

    You're the one who brought this up, by the way. You appear quite certain that Harper's popularity rises when he insulates himself from criticism. That is your assertion. Deal with the implications.

  • mad as hell

    Today I tore up my membership in the CRAP party. I invite all honest citizens to do the same. The dishonest ones can keep theirs since Harpers' gang is their natural home. Having the Conservative party around allows us to segragate the crooks and thugs and makes them easier to identify. I also immediately made a contribution to the liberal party and will continue to do so untill this vile regime is no more than an unpleasant memory. Where is Brian Mulroney when we need him?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/psiclone psiclone

      Thank you – you have just help me make up my mind and I have just got back from handing in my little red lieberal card and went and joined the CPC party. I was forgiving enough of their general all around incompetence ever since martin's coup against Chretien but now seiing how stevie has run circles around both Dion and Iggy I can not in good conscience vote for the poor excuse of a poltical party not to metnion the waste of my time and energy!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

      Bye, don't let the door hit you on your way out.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Norman_OustonBC Norman_OustonBC

        I proudly sent in my year end donation to the Conservative Party yesterday. Go Conservatives. Dump the Lieberals on their collective azz.

        • orval

          Me too. I just sent another $400 to the CPC before year-end. I am proud of our Canadian Government

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

          So long as political parties help themselves to our money (the buck-ninety-five per vote, the borderline-criminal special income tax credit rules favouring themselves), they ain't getting a penny extra from me.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dennis_F Dennis_F

    I'm sorry, but comparing any democratically elected Canadian prime minister to that thug Castro is idiotic. You honestly can't do any better than that?

    Read this thread again. I didn't bring the topic up. Geez.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sir_Francis Sir_Francis

      Read this thread again. I didn't bring the topic up.

      Hey! I know! Let's review our exchange together, Dennis…

      I said, "the less Canadians see of Harper, the more they like him". No mention of the Opposition there.

      You said, "It's the endless opposition screaming and hollering that they're not privy to at these times". Oh dear. All of a sudden, we're talking about the Opposition. Did I miss something up there?

      …comparing any democratically elected Canadian prime minister to that thug Castro is idiotic.

      Not really. As long as the terms are objectively reasonable, as I think mine were. If I were to say that Castro and Harper are similar insofar as both have nostrils, I think that would be objectively reasonable.

      But, if you insist, I shall use a democratically elected thug/buffoon instead, and suggest that Harper is rather like Hugo Chavez in his fear of and loathing for legitimate opposition. Happy now?

      • kcm

        Don't bother Sir Francis, by the time DF is confronted with what he did actually say, imply or attempt to convey he's usually long gone.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/craigola craigola

          And just like that…POOF! Where's Dennis_F?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dennis_F Dennis_F

    Nobody believes you were a member of the Conservative Party. Nice try. Or not.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/frenchie101 frenchie101

      LOL , some people will try anything

    • Anon

      "Nobody believes you were a member of the Conservative Party. Nice try. Or not. "

      Ha! You accusing someone of lying is so rich it has to be fattening.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dennis_F Dennis_F

        Name one instance where I've lied, you smear artist.

    • mad as hell

      To bad for you I really was. i even got my own copies of the bad taste "Duffygrams"sent out by the party.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dennis_F Dennis_F

        Sorry, no one who was a member of the party turns around and calls it "CRAP", which is the childish term that leftists have used for the Alliance for years. Anyone can sign up for those things. Steve Janke gets Liberal E-mails all the time. Next.

        • YSP

          I seem to recall the exact acronym was C-CRAP (okay, I added the hyphen). Which we, like, did.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/danby danby

    he really, really wants them to eat that per vote subsidy

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dennis_F Dennis_F

    Don't think it was a poison pill since Harper was obviously surprised by the coalition coup in response.

    People want the government they elected, so I'll doubt Harper will give them a reason to turn on him like they have Iggy.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

      because he didn't anticipate what all possible responses does not mean that it was not a poison pill.

      if people want the government they elected we would have revolt in the streets right now. the things SH promised that he has since walked away from is getting v.long.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dennis_F Dennis_F

        By that logic, no government every acts according to the will of the people, since they almost never get 50% of the vote. Next.

  • Walkswithcoffee

    I was a member and everyone knows I tore up my membership. I've written hundreds of LTE explaining why. As it turns out, Mr. Harper *is* an alleged war criminal.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dennis_F Dennis_F

      Sure you were. Calling someone a war criminal is a sure sign that you once loved the guy. next.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Skinny_Dipper Skinny Dipper

    The Conservatives are already saying that Chretien "prorogued" Parliament four times. Did Chretien actually do that or did he just have Parliament recessed. I thought Parliament has only been prorogued three times since the start of Confederation.

    • Walkswithcoffee

      I found prorogation in these years: 1847 1872 1873 1886 1895 1909 1938 1939 1983 2008

      Mr Haper and John A McDonald both used it to evade a confidence vote; McDonald was evading questions of corruption and profiteering from the national railway project; Haper was avoiding charges of fiscal incompetence (apparently unaware there was a recession in progress for more than a year)

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Geiseric Geiseric

    I'd have never guessed that Going For Gold is more important than Making Parliament work. Wonder how much I paid for the focus group that figured that one out.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Skinny_Dipper Skinny Dipper

    This is a test comment using IntenseDebate.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

      It's a wonky, erratic, yet endearing little piece of gadgetry.

  • John Charles

    I just watched the interview with Dmitri Soudas on CTV. I had never seen him before. What a disingenuous and immoral spokesman. To compare him to the proverbial second-hand car salesman would disparage those who work on second-hand car lots.

    How long will Canadians tolerate the total dishonesty and obfuscation of the Conservatives, with mouthpieces like this guy, John Baird and Peter Van Loan? How stupid do they think Canadians are? I am just totally offended by the adolescent mentality of the PMO, and its complete contempt for Canadians, the Canadian constitution, and Canadian values. And you know who appoints the members of the PMO. Or is the oil companies?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/frenchie101 frenchie101

      Not quite all he said
      He also said- .Harper has accused the Senate, where the opposition Liberals now have the most seats, of thwarting his legislative program. Soudas said that while the Conservative Party will still lack a formal majority in the Senate after the appointments, it will have a governing minority

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Fish_30 Al O'Wishes

        Do you know what else thwarts a legislative program? Proroguing parliament.

    • MBToday

      Who is paying Mr Soudras salary? If It is the taxpayer (You, me and all Canadians) he is doing a very poor job and should be fired. If is the Conservative party then he is doing a very good job and should be given a raise.

  • Jan

    Mad as Hell, you are nuts.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Geiseric Geiseric

    stupid is as stupid does

  • Walkswithcoffee

    also found in 2003, 1955, 1919, 1880, 1891, 1894

  • Walkswithcoffee

    it has been used a few times
    1. to evade charges of corruption and/or incompetence
    2. to deal with war or famine
    3. in the middle of five year majority terms, to get another speach from the throne

    In Harper's case the first use is the reason.

    • ActionJackson

      Jean Chretien prorogued Parliament four times during his time as Prime Minister: February 5, 1996; September 18, 1999; September 16, 2002; and November 12, 2003.

      I think you are letting your dislike of the Conservatives cloud your judgment. It is just politics. It is hardly the end of the world. Harper is doing it for his own political benefit, but I can't believe anyone is naive enough to buy into all this rhetoric from the opposition parties. They'd do the exact same thing in his position. It is unwise to become emotionally or ideologically beholden to any of the parties.

  • zilla

    As far as I can see….Harper has been excellent and the nibble-head naysaying liberals can only upset the good work Haper has done.

    The liberals have no leader, no ideas, no credability and no hope of fooling taxpayers that they are not criminals.

    Harper is right….Yet Again!

    • Anon

      In other words, you're stupid, right?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Norman_OustonBC Norman_OustonBC

        Zilla don't listen to a dimwhit like anon. You hit the nail bang on the head about the lieberalistas. Iggy and anon can hold hands while walking down loser trail.

  • Ron

    how can harper justify shutting down the country for two or three months when he actually does nothing? harper is corrupt and he's a useles idiot.

  • zilla

    Harper is a brilliant leader. He is doing what needs to be done, the important things that matter to CANADIANS.

    The corruption resides among the Liberal gargoyles that lust power and would slit any throat to get POWER for their own personal profit.

    I will put my faith in mature, responsible thinkers, rather than the rabid criminals seeking rent!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/frenchie101 frenchie101

    Honestly people relax take a little time and watch the Olympics. The PM has not done anything that Chretian didn't do four times so I guess he is only 1/2 as bad as the Liberals (g)

  • Anon

    Don't you mean "RABID CRIMINALS SEEKING RENT!"

    Gawd, you wingnuts and your half measures all the time.

  • zilla

    Recent history is your enemy.

    Blabber away

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Norman_OustonBC Norman_OustonBC

      Way to go Zilla. Poke him in the eye again. LOL

      Zilla I like your style.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/frenchie101 frenchie101

        as do I! WTG Zilla

  • DianeG

    Circuses, but no bread. That's what Harper is offering. Why should the Olympics be more important the a working parliamentary democracy?

    Incredible! I hope the Governor General says no, as indeed she should.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/frenchie101 frenchie101

      NO bread, maybe a wafer then.As in wafer gate!

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