Coyne v. Wells: Looking west

How much clout do the western provinces have? And to what end?

by Coyne VS Wells on Monday, January 18, 2010 11:30am - 45 Comments

Looking west

On Jan. 20, Maclean’s will present a round table discussion on “The West is in. Now what?” at Calgary’s Theatre Junction Grand, the third in a series of national debates. Broadcast live on CPAC, it will feature Nancy Heppner, Saskatchewan’s minister of environment, Lloyd Axworthy, the University of Winnipeg’s president, Lindsay Blackett, Alberta’s minister of culture and community spirit, and Melissa Blake, mayor of Fort McMurray, Alta. The event will be moderated by CPAC’s Peter Van Dusen, and include Maclean’s columnists Paul Wells and Andrew Coyne as panellists. Tickets can be bought at macleans.ca/inconversation. This week, Wells and Coyne kick off the debate.

Andrew Coyne: Paul, I’ll start by softening you up with a barrage of statistics. In 1896, when Sir Wilfrid Laurier laid the foundation for a century of Liberal dominance with his first of four election wins, Quebec held 30 per cent of the population of Canada. The whole of the territory of Canada west of Ontario accounted for less than 10 per cent. As late as 1980, when the National Energy Program was launched, Quebec held nearly as many people as the four western provinces combined. Half the seats in Pierre Trudeau’s majority government that year came from Quebec.


But now look. As of 2006, the combined population of Alberta and B.C. alone was enough to surpass Quebec’s. (They still have 11 fewer seats, but with the coming redistricting that will be corrected.) And the trend is clear: where Manitoba and Saskatchewan used to be the laggards, all four provinces are now growing faster than the national average. The West is younger, attracts more migrants, and has more babies. By 2031, Statistics Canada projects the West will have nearly a third of the population of Canada; Quebec, as little as 20 per cent.

Bigger, and richer: in 2008, the West’s combined GDP outstripped that of Ontario for the first time, fuelled in part by skyrocketing oil prices. If predictions of continued rising world demand for oil and other resources hold true, that trend should also hold. And as the West’s wealth grows, so will its appeal to footloose workers from the rest of Canada.

I’m taking a risk, talking about the West as if it were one region. But in fact it is more possible to speak of the West as a cohesive entity than ever before. The Trade, Investment and Labour Mobility Agreement (TILMA) between Alberta and B.C. will soon be expanded to include Saskatchewan, whose political and economic culture, with a per capita GDP that now exceeds Ontario’s, more and more resembles Alberta’s. Even my home province of Manitoba increasingly looks west, not east, for its interests and inspiration. As, for that matter, does Ontario.

The whole centre of gravity of the country, in other words, is shifting west, with implications we’ve only just begun to consider. For instance: in the century from Laurier to Chrétien, it was rare for a party to win a majority without carrying Quebec. In the next century, might the same be true of the West?

Paul Wells: Andrew, your last question implies a link, or rather an inverse relationship, between the rise of the West and the decline of the federal Liberals. I hope our session in Calgary on Jan. 20 goes well beyond that dimension, but it’s a handy gauge of how things have changed. Liberalism since Pierre Trudeau has meant a few things: a very urban perspective on social issues, a belief that a strong federal government is synonymous with the vigorous defence of the national interest, and so on. The Chrétien decade, based on a divided and perfectly conquered opposition in Ontario, masked the longer-term divergence between the way Liberals conceive the country and the way the West does.

Here, as you said, we run into unavoidable problems of definition. Vancouver, Edmonton, much of Saskatchewan and Manitoba, are hard to squeeze into a cookie-cutter conception of what “the West” thinks. Even in Calgary I know a lot of people who aren’t big conservatives. They just seem to be outnumbered, is all.

Anyway, in Calgary we’ll concentrate on the Prairie West and visit B.C. another day. And probably the smartest thing we’ll do is let our guests, who live there, do most of the talking.

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  • Plain Old Anon

    Hey what happened to Danielle Smith?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless

      That's an excellent question. I'll address it onstage on Wednesday.

      • Dot

        Oh please, please, please let Craig Chandler be her replacement.

        • Neil from Calgary

          Are you afraid she'll win?

      • Iccyh

        I was pleasantly surprised with Rob Anderson, but I'm still kind of curious about this!

  • Dot

    While I know there will be an attempt for some of your guests to bring up the NEP (bad, bad AC) I think the transformative event for the new West occured through the Canada/US Free Trade agreement, and the lessening of control of resource exploitation through the new mandate for the National Energy Board (loosening of rules for gas/oil exploitation and international pipelines) under Mulroney.

    This placed far more control of development and rate therof at the provincial level, and created many of the tensions (both within the provinces, and with the ROC) through what some perceive as out of control development. Melissa Blake has been fairly outspoken on these types of issues as mayor of Fort McMurray.

  • Anon

    The comparisons here using statistical data are bizarre. "By 2031, Statistics Canada projects the West will have nearly a third of the population of Canada; Quebec, as little as 20 per cent.

    That still means that by 2031, the East will have over 60% of the population, pretty much the same situation now.

    If this is any indication of how the conversation is going to be steered, I'll pass.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/DerekPearce DerekPearce

      You're being a tad harsh, but that sentence struck me as a bit silly too. One of my brothers moved out to Calgary a year ago from Windsor, ON. One of my best friends grew up in Alberta and goes back there for business and to see relatives at least twice a year. They both have told me that apart from all the animosity left over from the days of the NEP, that westerners still have a gut emotional reaction when they look at a map of Canada– they see half the territory in the west and therefore think fully half the political/economic influence is warranted, without really taking a hard look at population.

      Anyhow, as long as resources continue to be as valuable as they have lately been, Ontario is in for some wrenching neo-liberal economic adjustments in it's future. Ontarians still don't seem to have grasped this.

      • Anon

        "Ontarians still don't seem to have grasped this."

        What makes you say that?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/DerekPearce DerekPearce

          Well it's just anecdotal really, so just my opinion. My friends who are politics/economics junkies see that if the dollar keeps rising due to rising oil prices, Ontario better invest in productivity efficiency and even that will only go so far to mitigating the cost of exporting. People I know who pay no attention to these things still just generally bitch, if they think about it all, about "greedy" Albertans who had the luck of sitting on oil and leave it at that. They don't think about the real competitive implications mentioned above for things like similar taxation for similar services, retaining head offices in Ontario etc.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/LynnTO LynnTO

            Ontarians tend to bitch at least in part because they've been told over and over that it's a fairness thing: they paid $12-billion more in equalization than in services received in kind, and now they're economically hurting; meanwhile, Alberta, Newfoundland, and Saskatchewan want to avoid taking oil revenues into account, and Alberta and NF in particular are fighting for every dime. Rightly or wrongly, it's a broad perception.

            Ontario does need to invest in improvements to efficiency (through infrastructure, education, et al) to try to maintain some sort of competitive advantage to keep companies in the province – if not head offices, then large workforces. But there's a lot to be said for the argument that oil is not an everlasting solution; that Alberta in particular has some stellar academic institutions, but still a lower per capita rate of post-secondary education is concerning for its future, too.

          • Kat

            "meanwhile, Alberta, Newfoundland, and Saskatchewan want to avoid taking oil revenues into account,"

            or maybe they are making the statement that they want the same deal as Quebec whose hydro revenues are not included in the equalization equation. Fair is Fair!

          • Republic of Alberta

            In Alberta we pay $21 billion more then we receive. Stop the rape!

      • Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)

        This is all because Alberta is squandering it’s oil wealth. When the oil craze is over, and if oil sands ever becomes uncompetitive again, Alberta will be left with an economy with no room for value-added services, an uneducated workforce, not a penny saved from the obscene fortune beneath their feet, and a poisoned toxic wasteland covering a vast stretch of the province’s north.

        • kcm

          Norway, for instance, seems to have had a better eye on the future. In any case Albertan's will reap pretty much what they sowed. They continued to elect that clown klein despite knowing he didn't give a rat's ass about Alberta's future – fiscal or environmental. His idea of leadership was to find a parade and get out in front of it.

          • Neil from Calgary

            Well, in comparing a unitary state like Norway to the province of Alberta, one should keep in mind that a great deal of resource wealth is collected by the feds in this country. Norway doesn't have that issue. That being said, I think both Alberrta and Ottawa should save more of the royalties they collect, but then they'll each have to find other ways to fund their respective programs (tax hikes, spending cuts, both?).

            It looks like Alberta's attempting to move away from the Klein-era of pro-cyclical spending and slash and burn budgeting to the Lougheed approach. But, with the timing of this transition being so unfortunate in the midst of economic turmoil, it's looking like a painful conversion.

          • kcm

            Any return to Lougheed style of governance has my approval.

          • Ontario Sucks

            Norway does not tax their Oil companies, but has $5 per litre gas and taxes the people. Never compare Alberta to Norway!

        • Gary

          Yes we squander our wealth through transfer payments totalling 161 BILLION since 1961. We are the biggest rape victim in confederation!

  • Anon

    "You're being a tad harsh"

    Harshness is required. That kind of picking and choosing of statistics and reporting them using units that are not easily comparable is how the news media shapes and distorts public discussion.

    It's unacceptable.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

    Great start to the discussion.

    With regards to Coyne's point about the West's "notable commonality" of politics: Chantal Hébert is fond of pointing out that the Liberals have won just one election in the past quarter-century against a united right. She's correct, of course, but I'll add that the Liberals have only won one in 25 years when the West voted as a bloc.

    If the Liberals want to win a federal election anytime soon, they must actively woo Western voters. Ignatieff, to his credit, has already started to do so, but the Liberals have a huge amount of work ahead of them if they want to repair their party's tattered image west of Ontario.

    • kcm

      To be fair there's a little less work to do in BC, where the enemy is the Ndp as much as the Tories.
      But your right. They badly need to become less Toronto centric…giving MPs like Kennedy more proflie would help. As would actively recruiting westerners. Something has to be done…unite the left or something. My biggest fear is that a resurgence of the liberal party will only underscore the divisions in the country – east vs west.
      I don't think it'll be quite as hard for the libs to come back in the west as conventional widom says…they need good policies of course…but they also need a galvanising personality. Dion and Ignatieff just don't cut it. Kennedy would have been an intersting choice for the future [ Edmonton boy...not an intellectual] Manley would have gone over well out here…it shows out of touch the liberal brain trust is, that they didn't try harder to get him to come back…ah well, spilt milk.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

        I agree with you that a major breakthrough in the West would probably require a different Liberal leader.

        To expand on my earlier point about western "bloc" voting, I think there have been only four elections in the past 25 years when the West truly voted as a bloc: 1988, 2004, 2006, and 2008. Contrary to popular wisdom, I never really saw the Reform Party as an example of western bloc voting, despite its regional origins. Manitoba was never on board, electing just one Reformer in 1993, three Reformers in 1997, and four Canadian Alliance MPs in 2000.

  • kcm

    "Canada changing the West"

    That's an interesting question. i hope it gets raised. I don't know the figures, but a significant proportion of Ab's pop wasn't born there – they're immgrants or from elsewhere in Canada. It has changed the west that iv'e lived in for more than 30yrs. Believe it or not, the west [ particularly AB/BC] is considerably more liberal than is commonly assumed. Not lib in the sense of voting for the liberal party – which is seen to still be out of touch with the west – but liberal in it's social values. These values are not always apparent [ particularly in AB] where the rural vote is still overrepresented. It would be interesting to see just what a PR vote would produce…many who now vote conservative for strategic reasons would feel freer to align themselves with another party. I'm just positing a view that the monolithic view of the west – as seen from the east [ and from the west]- is not everything it appears to be.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

      There's a running joke in Calgary that hardly anyone you meet was actually born here. When two native Calgarians meet for the first time and discover their shared origins, it invariably becomes an opportunity for "insider" reminisces about how much the city has changed over the years.

      • dede

        Have you ever heard someone leaving Calgary saying "I'll be back."?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

          Sure, many times.

          • kcm

            We had a word for native Calgarians when i lived in Edmonton. :)

          • Neil from Calgary

            No doubt, CR

          • Anon

            I prefer Edmonton. I like trees.

          • Neil from Calgary

            I prefer Calgary. I like the Rockies and the Chinooks (take today's temp, for instance).

          • Anon

            Yeah, the Rockies are nice. But they're not exactly *in Calgary*. And you can't seem them everywhere in the city.

          • captcold

            I was born and raised in Cowpatch. And yes, the change has been profound. Money has queered the place alot.

          • Neil from Calgary

            "Money has queered the place alot."

            Yikes?

            anyways, I welcome most of the changes the city has undertaken. I just hope and pray that the wholesome Prairie hospitality remains at least somewhat intact as Calgary welcomes 200K more people in the next decade.

            Coyne is right, this country is shifting west. Go Canada go!

  • captcold

    the West is now in, it's a shame Harper moved <figuratively> to the east.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/LynnTO LynnTO

      Harper grew up in Toronto.

  • http://Www.macleansfordummies.blogspot.com I WANT MY NAME BACK

    “How the W.E.S.T. was S.P.U.N.”. If I write it they will come…to their senses…

  • Stephen

    The Trade, Investment and Labour Mobility Agreement (TILMA) between Alberta and B.C. will soon be expanded to include Saskatchewan, whose political and economic culture, with a per capita GDP that now exceeds Ontario’s, more and more resembles Alberta’s.

    The last part sounds like it was written by someone who took John Gray's recent ROB piece a little too seriously, but I'm wondering more about the first part: are you talking about TILMA, or about WEPA?

  • Matt

    Three thoughts:

    1. No "bank shot" here. Stelmach et. al. are simply not smart, and continue to find more and more obvious ways to show people that.

    2. Interesting thought on Canada changing the West with changes in Calgary as the case(s) in point. I assumes this twins with the moniker "new West." I don't think either is accurate. The High Performance Rodeo is not new. While the Grand and Kantos Centre are laudable, they are overdue and a public art gallery in Calgary is still stymied. Calgary always grows in fitful spurts and I don't really think there's anything new. There's just more of it because there are more people. If anything, I'm surprised at the extent to which attitudes are continued despite the growth and influx.

    3. WTF is up with Ottawa spiking Air Emirates' direct air service to Calgary in favour of Toronto?

  • dkite

    As for the Liberals and the west, it would be so easy.

    Just don't, I mean bite your tongue, when in a close election, on the verge of losing some seats in Ontario, start slagging Alberta. It usually happens in the last desperate week of an election that the Liberals are about to lose.

    Odd that.

    derek

  • Kaplan

    "When I was a lad, well-to-do families in Winnipeg typically sent their kids east to university: McGill, Queen’s, Toronto. My sense is that more and more of them now head west, to the University of Alberta and the University of British Columbia. In the same way, I expect more of Ontario’s trade and investment will be with the West in coming years, less with Quebec and the East."

    Any numbers or stats to back this up? At Queen's, for example, undergrad lectures and graduate seminars are getting progressively larger each year as the number of students slowly grows.

  • MJH

    End equalization payments to Quebec and then the west will really be in.

  • Iccyh

    Not that I expect anyone to read this at this point, but a discussion thread of some kind about this would have been nice.

  • Praire Girl

    "Vancouver, Edmonton, much of Saskatchewan and Manitoba, are hard to squeeze into a cookie-cutter conception of what “the West” thinks".__I'm from Saskatoon and am frustrated with the rural vote drowning out the urban vote which is mostly influenced by how the boundaries are set up. Maybe if the boundaries in Saskatchewan were re-drawn to reflect the urban/rural differences then more people in Saskatoon and Regina would vote. As it stands now, people in the northern area of the city have Maurice Vallecot as their MP because 80% of the rural vote for him. I'm not saying they should be re-drawn so the urban vote counts more than the rural. They should make the boundary at the city limits as the needs of urban and rural populations are different. The current situation where most of the MP's are conservative from Saskatchewan is not an accurate picture of the political landscape here at all.

  • http://www.premieretreeservices.com/ tree removal service

    Wow. Many of them are fleeing alright. But why?

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