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Rights and Democracy: Did the right hand know what the right hand was doing?

by Paul Wells on Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:28pm - 212 Comments

In the Star, Haroon Siddiqui provides the latest update on the surreal weirdness convulsing the Montreal organization Rights and Democracy. Perhaps the most interesting part of this column is the following graf, about three Rights and Democracy grants to NGOs working in the Middle East, including Al Haq, the bête noire of the organization’s newly-installed board majority:

As it turned out, [now-deceased former R&D president Rémy] Beauregard had run the three grants by Cannon’s ministry, which approved. In fact, Al Haq had also received funding from CIDA. That was in keeping with the Canadian policy of promoting civil society in Palestinian territories to provide non-violent alternatives to terrorism. Al Haq was good enough for CIDA and foreign affairs but not [new board chairman Aurel] Braun and Co.

CIDA grants to Al Haq? I can find no direct record of that on the agency’s website (your help on this would be welcome) but I did find an awful lot of complaining about it, all from one source: Gerald Steinberg, who runs an Israeli organization called NGO Monitor. Its thesis is that international groups working to defend the rights of Palestinian Arabs are seeking to sap Israel’s defences. Steinberg’s a busy guy. He was celebrating the new direction of Rights and Democracy in the Jerusalem Post before Rémy Beauregard had even been buried, and that was only his latest contribution to the debate. Here he is in 2004, decrying CIDA’s role in “exploiting human rights to demonize Israel.” Here he is in two more recent publications, taking specific aim at CIDA funding of various terrifying groups (Oxfam! Boo!!!) including Al Haq.

But most intriguing is this direct submission to Canadian Parliamentarians, some of whom (from every party) gather occasionally as the Canadian Parliamentary Coalition to Combat Anti-Semitism. The submission dates from last August, a time when the internal conflict at Rights and Democracy was heating up considerably.

So if CIDA was funding Al Haq, and DFAIT was consenting to donations to Al Haq, the about-face at Rights and Democracy had to be driven from somewhere else. Probably somewhere whose initials were PMO. Now, as it defends its actions, the newly-appointed board majority has preferred to refer only in passing to this highly political debate. Braun and his colleagues prefer to frame this as a fight for accountability and oversight (while declining to return most reporters’ calls and issuing gag orders to staff). Here, too, they are on shaky ground. They can leak a damning 2007 report on spending practices at R&D all they want; they still can’t hide two facts. First, Rémy Beauregard was installed as R&D’s president in 2008 precisely to overhaul accountability and oversight. Second, an easy-to-find 2008 report demonstrates that he was succeeding. In other words, the management cleanup at Rights and Democracy began long before these clowns took over.

One more thing. Take this as foreshadowing. In the last paragraph of their letter to the National Post, Braun and his allies write:

“We will continue to work to govern Rights & Democracy according to the highest standards so that Canadians need not be embarrassed by, but rather can be consistently proud of the work of the organization.”

One interesting question in the days ahead: will the news coming out of Rights and Democracy make Canadians embarrassed? Or proud?

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

    R&D accountability and transparency hypocrisy watch: from Siddiqui, with relevance to Braun's claim of cleaning the joint up, "Yet, Braun and allies "kept up the witch-hunt against Beauregard," said an insider. They wrote a negative evaluation, overturning a positive one. They kept it secret. They ignored the board's demand to cease and desist. They cancelled (sic) an October board meeting where they may have been censured. They waited until they had a majority."

    • Canuckistanian

      huh, now where have I seen that modus operandi before??? ;-)

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

        a certain binder on how to make meetings accountability problematic must be making the rounds to the new 'I am here to fix accountability guy', or so it would seem.

  • Anon001

    An election will clear all this up pronto.

  • http://www.ezralevant.com Ezra Levant

    This is the second time Siddiqui has mentione DFAIT approval of those odious grants. I’m trying to source that, since he doesn’t. Who at DFAIT approved them? In what form?

    Is this real, or a fabrication, like the claim that “all” R&D staff support the mutiny? (Even Siddiqui acknowledged, in a previous article, that at least two of the names on the “unanimous” staff mutiny letter were faked.)

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

      Where is the proof that the claim that "all" R&D staff support the "mutiny" is a "fabrication"? Or are you just tossing that one out there?

    • kcm

      And if you do 'source" those reports, and they confirm Siddiqi's view, we can rest assured that you will share the info with us all pronto Ezra, can we?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jenn_ Jenn_

      Mr. Levant, where did you get all the other documentation you have had? I'm asking you for your source, just as you are asking Siddiqui.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

      This is the second time Siddiqui has mentione DFAIT approval of those odious grants. I'm trying to source that, since he doesn't.

      He does source it in his column of 24 January:

      In approving the three Middle East grants, Beauregard had the support of the Department of Foreign Affairs, according to both Allmand and Broadbent.

      I've read through Siddiqui's stuff since Christmas and I can't find the "previous article" in which he "acknowledged . . . that at least two of the names on the 'unanimous staff mutiny letter were faked. Perhaps you or someone else could provide a link, since that's a pretty interesting piece of information.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Blamo Blamo

        He's conservative columnist Ezra Levant; he can make stuff up if he likes.

        Remember, it only has to be plausable, not factual.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

    long before these clowns took over

    Not exactly impartial reporting.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless

      boo-hoo.

    • Mike T.

      if the oversize bright red shoe fits, however…

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Be_rad Be_rad

      After writing umpteen posts on it and a full length article, the man has a right to an opinion. It helps that his writing so far seems to support his conclusion/judgment.

      • kcm

        Besides he called the staff ring leaders clowns too!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

        Well, maybe he's right, and it is opinion journalism.

        Although from what I've read it remains unclear who are the villains.

  • jarrid

    I went to one of Paul's linked previous posts of Janurary 20th. I note that he makes reference to "a conservative Israeli analyst." Has Paul Wells ever referred to a columnist or analyst as "a liberal analyst or a liberal columnist." It's not out of the realm of possibility but I wouldn't hold my breath.

    Then I go to another one of Paul's posts on this same topic of a few days ago, Janurary 29th. Quoting with approval from Chantal Hébert he refers to the Harper administration as "socially conservative."

    Does supporting the State of Israel make one a social conservative?

    Who knew?

    Speaking of left/lib assumptions, an American blogger who Paul Wells admires as a real up-and-comer, Matthew Yglesias, said a couple of days ago that uber-liberal democrat Nancy Pelosi was his favorite politician.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

      Oooooh, it's like it's some kind of conspiracy.

      • jarrid

        Wrong Jack, it's the left that finds conspiracies under every rock.

        Just a simple observation that many of our political pundits start their analysis from decidedly left/liberal assumptions. The good ones manage to overcome those assumptions in making their analysis. Chantal Hébert for example does so most of the time. Wells, it must be said, does pretty well himself in this regard. But once in while I spot those assumptions, and I say so.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

          (Sorry, I changed my comment while jarrid was replying; I snarked that he was suggesting an Yglesias-Hebert-Wells conspiracy.)

          It's not very fruitful to just toss around accusations / observations about "bias." The main dividing line is between journalists, together with us humble folk, who are open to changing their views and those who stick to a set of beliefs like bodyguards to a chieftain's standard. If you think someone like Wells has mistaken assumptions, say what they are, don't just intimate that he's a secret "left/lib." He's a not-so-secret rationalist, not a bodyguard.

          • jarrid

            Things are getting a wee bit better with the main stream media, Jack, a wee bit better. Time was that if you held small-c conservative views on any topic, you'd be pilloried by the left/lib press. The only good Conservative was a Conservative who held small-l liberal views. There still is some of that going on, but the Conservative Party are no longer allowing themselves to be cowed by the media. It still enrages the media that Harper doesn't play ball and seek their small-l liberal approval. It has correspondingly decreased the media's influence although they still have disproportionate influence.

            A case in point is the recent prorogation hysteria. Chrétien did it 4 times, Trudeau 8 times and Bobv Rae three times and we hear nary a peep from the MSM. But Harper does it and the Globe and Mail writes multiple editorials on how democracy is dead in Canada. There are two standards of reporting for the MSM and particularly the PPG in this country, one for small-c onservatives and one for small-l liberals.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            Well, maybe if people like yourself tried arguing with the MSM, whoever they are exactly, instead of just congratulating yourselves on how you're just as irrational as the "left/lib press," we might get somewhere.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

            A case in point is the recent prorogation hysteria. Chrétien did it 4 times, Trudeau 8 times and Bobv Rae three times and we hear nary a peep from the MSM. But Harper does it and the Globe and Mail writes multiple editorials on how democracy is dead in Canada. There are two standards of reporting for the MSM and particularly the PPG in this country, one for small-c onservatives and one for small-l liberals.

            …or one that understands context. but whatever works for you Jarrid.

          • jarrid

            Context? Like the irrelevant Harper has a minority they had a majority tripe? Sorry that point is totally irrelevant.

          • kcm

            How many questionable prorogations [federally] can you come up with other than one possibly two of Chretiens? And of course two of Harper's three[ actually i'm not sure of that, i saw it somewhere on Macleans] All of Chretins occurred ina majority situation. They may or may not have all been unethical, but they were surely quite different from Harper's minority closures. Two of which were certainly unethical.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

            shorter: my interpretation (i.e., the CPC talking points) is the only one that mattes.

          • jarrid

            Nope, this prorogue thing is a big mountain out of molehill which the left/lib media fanned as usual.

            Unfortunately, the Liberals did the very same thing ( the 2008 December prorogue being different of course, that was a bigger deal, I admit) so you have to be totally in the tank to say that when one party does it, it's O.K., when another does it, it's the end of the world. When you do that, you have no credibility or people take it as the partisan hyperbole that it is.

          • James Connors
          • Andrew (not P or C)

            I think most said that both were inappropriate, and justification for constraining the PM's right to prorogue.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

            you might be mixing metaphors when you try to fan the molehill (or not).

            As Andrew (not P or C) notes most have said that both were inappropriate. It is now commonly understood among the informed who aren't hacks that Harper has joined the ranks of Chretien and Sir John A. as having abused prorogation to cover their ass. Not sure why you feel the need to defend that.

          • James Connors
          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stewart_Smith Stewart_Smith

            and someone once said
            "Wrong Jack, it's the left that finds conspiracies under every rock. "

            Of course, I guess the difference is that every paranoid, conspiracy theory of the cowering right turns out to be true.

          • Wascally Wabbit

            Dear jarrid – silly boy. When you refer to the MSM being anti-conservative – I guess you are dismissing the National Putz, CT-Viper, Sun Mediocre as mere peanut gallery observers!
            Well – I guess you know best – as always [sarcasm]

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

          and thank gawd for that. not sure how we would all get along without it.

      • jarrid

        What happened there? My reply above was to a different post by Jack that's now gone.

        The new post, which begins with "Militarism…" is an incoherent hodge-podge which is not Jack at his best, it must be said. Nothing which prompt a reply from me in any case.

      • JamesHalifax

        I'll make it easier for your Jack. Ahem.

        today's "progressives" (according to them)
        1. Don't like Israel, and don't care too much if Muslims/Arabs kill Jews, though they do feign sadness in public. These folks are mainly found in the NDP and Liberal Parties….though these parties do have their token Jews for deflection purposes.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

      Does supporting the State of Israel make one a social conservative?

      perhaps, but i thought that the causal force was more likely a set of internal values. perhaps Paul's hunch could be tied to the Harper administration's membership in the <strike?Progressive</strike> Conservative Party of Canada?

  • jarrid

    "…which WOULD prompt…"

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

    Whaddya mean "incoherent hodge-podge"? It's just my way of saying that the collocations that divide the "left/libs" from the "right/cons" are pretty ephemeral.

    • Wascally Wabbit

      It takes a purveyor of incoherent hodge-podge to see it everywhere Jack…I think the appropriate expression is – don't feed the tards!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless

    Folks? Don't do this. No point is served, including my attempts to understand this story, if the comment board here turns into a mirror image of Small Dead Animals.

    • Guest

      Duly noted, and apology extended. Sometimes my angry Conservative side comes out before my compassionate Liberal side.

      • kcm

        Not sure if my comment crosses some line. But i endorse any opinion that banishes the spectre of SDA.[shudder]

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

      Hey, that's a little sneaky, asking for a stop to insults while hurling an insult at smalldeadanimals. And in the defense of that web site, the prioprietor there has often requested to reduce the bickering.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/avr avr

      The comment rating system has seen to that already, actually.

    • JamesHalifax

      If more of todays "Journalists" spent as much time researching articles as Kate at SDA…they would be respected a lot more.

      Is Kate a little biased? Sure….but at least what she writes has been documented at one point or another. Can't really say the same for folks who rely on "sources" who are never mentioned. Sources….Hmm…..isn't that how the Enquirer gets most of their information?

      • kcm

        Kate…isn't that Steyn's "source"…say no more!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jenn_ Jenn_

        So, then do you know where Mr. Levant got the documentation he has?

  • Mike T.

    …and speaking (below) of incoherent hodge podge)

    • jarrid

      The PPG stands for Parliamentary Press Gallery. Does that help, Mike T.?

      The MSM is having a hard time that it can no longer arrogantly foist its left/lib assumptions on the Canadian body politic. Some of them are taking it rather badly.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless

    Keep failing utterly to deal with the substance of this story, jarrid. Otherwise I'd wonder whether it was really you.

  • jarrid

    It's the bigger point though, isn't it Paul? The one that counts at the end of the day.

    • kcm

      Ah…the old ends justify the means…never gets old that one.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/NorthernPoV NorthernPoV

    "Just a simple observation that many of our political pundits start their analysis from decidedly left/liberal assumptions."

    When one is so far to the right as to have abandoned all reason, then center-of-the-road journalists do indeed appear to be leftish.

    • jarrid

      Paul Wells proceeds from left/lib assumptions. As does Chantal Hébert. It's not a shooting offence, but it's a fact. Their strengh lies in the fact that they are able to report, for the most part, objectively, indicating that they're able to overcome those assumptions. But sometimes their assumptions intrude on their analysis.

      Compared to most of the reporters and columnists making up the Parliamentary PressGallery, they are far and away more objective. Many of the PPG crowd still have things a**backwards: they think that "right way" and "wrong way" is if the politicians think like them. That's how most of the political commentary at the CBC, the Toronto Star and the Globe and Mail operates.

      • Jan

        We get it – you think the press has a liberal bias. The horse died a few miles back, you can stop flogging.

      • kcm

        ·
        "Paul Wells proceeds from left/lib assumptions. As does Chantal Hébert. It's not a shooting offence, but…"

        On the other hand they may procede from rational assumptions. Which leaves you where…? Honestly stop with your amateurish conjecture re, the motivations of pro journalists, and maybe people will start to take you more seriously.

  • Anon001

    Since the R+D org reports to Parliament, couldn't Parliament hold hearings into this matter and make personnel changes, if necessary?

    Also, where is Mulroney himself on this? Or, the MP from the area, Irwin Cotler?

    • Anon002

      Sorry, Anon001, but what Parliament?

    • jaydayrock

      Anon001; Are you replying from Israel? Because Mulroney hasn't been our Prime Minister for a very long time. Where is our PM on this? That's easy. If it is pro-Israel he's there, otherwise, he seems to be busy making back room deals which leave us thirsting for democracy.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Style Style

    Here's another source claiming Canadian government funding for Al Haq:
    http://www.alhaq.org/etemplate.php?id=53

    • Jan

      I see the UK's Christian Aid gives to Palestine.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/avr avr

        And the Archbishop of Canterbury is a pro-Sharia, green-mad, anti-nuclear leftist; what's your point?

        • Frobisher

          And the relevance to Jan's comment is, what? UKCA is not solely the province of the Anglican Church. And the A of C is neither a director or member of the board.

          What's your point?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

    A quick search reveals $30,050 of CIDA funding for Al Haq in 1994/95, but that's all I could find using Google.

    This contribution supported a conference to generate debate and raise awareness on the role of Islamic law in
    relation to women, family law and religious minorities, the historical role and function of the PLO and the significance of the Intifada.

    See page 52 of the document linked below:
    http://www.acdi-cida.gc.ca/inet/images.nsf/vLUIma…

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

      Huh. I wonder if proceedings of such a conference are available.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

        Here's the description of the CIDA-funded Al Haq conference. The description above was actually for a different CIDA-funded conference.

        This contribution supported activities focusing on Women and the Law culminating in a conference on raising awareness regarding domestic laws.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

      I'm not sure if Al Haq's 2005 Annual Report is correct. Why would a grant of ~10,000 (Cdn) not show up in CIDA's own records? I also note that a $20,000 "CIDA-Grants Receivable" item on the 2004 balance sheet. Could it be that grants were promised, but not delivered?

      As far as I can tell from the CIDA website, they haven't given any money to Al Haq in the last 15 years.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

        it could be the grant was for only one year (2004) though listed in a audit that spanned the two years. proactive disclosure on grants and contributions was introduced in 2005 i beleive.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Style Style

        Are any $10,000 grants listed on CIDA's site? It may be below their reporting threshold. Just a thought.

  • Mike T.

    Most readers won`t need further clarification regarding your tomfoolery, and you won`t listen. Why would I bother typing out a real reply.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

    What I don't understand is what exactly at R/D is bothering Wells and a few others. Is it the office politics, shadowy conservatives, change of direction of foreign aid …. what?

    Why is R/D generating so much interest while msm and most of Canadian public ignore Cons decision to stop funding UNWRA.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

      Joylon, i think Paul's last article made the point perfectly clear: that R&D serves as a valuable example of how Harper et al art doing a very efficient job of finding way of ways to make 'small decisions' that effect significant changes in Canadian policy (foreign and domestic) without garnering much media, parliamentary and/or citizen scrutiny.

      I am not sure it is bugging Paul, though i could see why it might. It really should bug all of us, regardless of what political stripes we where.

      • Emmett

        Of course, the argument that we should be especially troubled by this presumes that the status quo set by decades of Liberal rule is the de facto appropriate policy… I'd agree with Paul that we need to be concerned about the transparency of such policy changes by the Harper government. The shady-seeming goings-on at R&D make that clear. But there's often an equally alarming assumption embedded in a lot of media and commentator discussion that any such policy changes are wrong because they don't adhere to some artificial tradition or long-held Liberal policy…

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

          Emmett it assumes nothing of the sort. Please make clear where I embedded the assumption that any such policy changes are wrong because they don't adhere to some artificial tradition or long-held Liberal policy.

          Whlle I certainly should have been more precise (was in a hurry), your response points to the alarming assumption embedded in a lot of media and commentator discussion that any such criticism of the Harper government are wrong because they adhere to some artificial tradition or long-held Liberal policy…

          I also should make clear that the concerns should transcend the political stripes people wear.

          presumes that criticisms of the Harper government I was suggesting that we ought to be concerned about was the absence of transparency.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

        What should bug us: Harper making changes or lack of msm scrutiny?

        I agree that msm should write about public admin a bit more than it does but I have no problem with Harper making changes because he is PM and that's his job.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

          as per my response to Emmett, the lack of scrutiny. while i concur with your point that the msm should write more about public admin, i don't limit my comment to just msm oversight. as per original response to you there should be more media, parliamentary and citizen scrutiny of these decisions.

          as far, as having "no problem with Harper making changes because he is PM and that's his job" that is not fully accurate description of this specific case. R&D is supposed to be an arm's length agency – as set up by Mulroney – as is pointed out in Siddiqui article: the PM's influence is supposed to be curtailed.

          • Dot

            huh, another missing comment. I guess I'm not falling in line with the narrative.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless

            Did your comment contain a lot of links? That's sometimes enough to get it banished for no other reason. These things are almost all automatic, and highly idiosyncratic.

          • Dot

            No, just one link. But, it wasn't a terribly important point. Just a largish list and one link of Fed Crown Corporations, suggesting the reporting structure and accountability to parliament was similar.

            But, thanks for the reply.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless

      Mostly it's how there's a guy who's dead, there's been an oddly focused burglary, the three authors of Friday's Ottawa Citizen op-ed have been suspended (oops, forgot to mention that amid all the other stuff), and some guy almost nobody has ever heard of named Gerald Steinberg seems to be running Canadian foreign policy. I'm thinking, this is not getting less interesting as time goes on.

      • kcm

        If we're to have a bright light shining in dark places[ what was that Harper quote again?] then let's have it shine on all the actors…not quite what the Pmo had in mind i'm sure! Besides there's the honour of a dead man at stake here, which is rapidly becoming my primary concern.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

        Thanks Wells. It was genuine question, not being snarky. I agree that R/D is getting more interesting and I am glad that you, and a few others, are following it. And I, too, was wondering who Steinberg is and does he have influence when you linked to his column last week.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jenn_ Jenn_

          I think the answer to R&D has been well covered, but I don't know why there hasn't been more on the UNWRA thing, as well.

      • kcm

        I can't find that op-ed thing anywhere. Can someone take pity and provide a link?

        • Guest from the West

          You can find it here. You may have to be a subscriber to login.
          http://digital.ottawacitizen.com/epaper/viewer.as…

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless
          • kcm

            Many thanks guys.

          • kcm

            This is what these guys are suspended for? An op-ed that in no way attacked the new board members. That was in effect a tribute to Beauregard – a eulogy, nothing more. Yeesh! These Harper clowns are vindictive or what!
            It'll be their undoing in the end. Passionately pushing your pov, yes – thinly veiled fanaticism never!

          • catherine

            Wow, those three were suspended? For the op-ed or something else? Meanwhile, at the same time, Gauthier was slamming the entire staff to the press.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mike514 Mike514

        Add to the list that the Liberals and NDP were notified of all appointees, and didn't object or even comment (with one exception. That person wasn't appointed as a result). It's on the G&M website.

    • http://www.pogge.ca skdadl

      UNRWA. I'm beginning to think the misspelling is intentional.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

    Paul, THIS IS GOVERNMENT. Why would you assume the right hand even knows where the right hand is?

    • Lord Kitchener's Own

      It makes one wonder if the right hand even knows there's a right hand.

  • Kelly B

    Thanks again for keeping on top of this story.

  • jarrid

    There is no question that the Harper Conservatives have moved Canada's foreign policy to be more supportive of the State of Israel. Under the Liberal Party of Canada, Canada's policy was drifting into treating Israel and it's enemies in a moral equivalent way.

    One can debate whether Canada's new policy is a good or bad thing. I think it's a good thing. Israel is the Middle-East's only democracy. It is a long-time ally. It is a western democracy like Canada that shares our values. Why shouldn't our foreign policy be to support them especially when they are so vulnerable to attack from hostile neighbours?

    Why is this controversial? It should be a no-brainer.

    You don't have to be a "social conservative" to agree with that, do you?

    • Trillium

      Canada was looked on as an 'honest broker' in the ME. No longer, and that shouldn't have happened.

      Canada doesn't 'share values' with Israel anymore than we 'share values' with the Palestinians.

      Israelis are blockading Gaza, putting in settlements, threatening war against it's neighbours…in what way does that share OUR values? And as I recall Hamas held an election, we just didn't like the outcome.

      You can't be an objective outsider trying to bring about peace, if you lean heavily to one side.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

        Canada was never a broker in the mid east. The US has long been involved as well as Europe, Canada's role has always been minimal.

        • Trillium

          I don't know where you got that idea from. We were always listened to as we were considered 'honest brokers'. Several leaders in the ME are on record as saying so.

          It's one reason we have the Aga Khan foundation here.

          Enough of this Canadian inferiority stuff.

          • Trillium

            And btw, Canadians are peacemakers and peacekeepers. We have more than enough nations 'taking stands', thank you.

          • Emmett

            There is no bigger Canadian nationalist myth than that one.

          • kcm

            All those years in Cyprus…all for nought!

          • Emmett

            Sandwiched as it was between all those wars we fought (and fight).

          • Trillium

            Last war was Korea. Then we learned a better way.

          • Emmett

            Ya, just ignore all the combat missions involved in the Gulf War, Croatia and Kosovo…

          • Trillium

            The way to heal the world
            Canada, a country that understands the value of diversity and civil society, is well positioned to share those values and strengthen democracy in the developing world, says the leader of the Shia Ismaili Muslims, the AGA KHAN
            Thursday, May 20, 2004 – Page A25

            And:

            Peres tells MPs 'if there's a chasm, Canada will find a bridge'
            Liberal MP Bennett says delegation of 28 Parliamentarians largest ever, positive about trip to Middle East
            by Bill Curry
            The Hill Times

            "What Shimon Perez said to us is that if there's a chasm, Canada just always has a propensity to always try to find a bridge, whereas other countries may try to dig it deeper. We have credibility on both sides. I think we've been pretty clear for 50 years that there should be two states with secure borders and so we've been consistent and I think that gives great confidence and also that we've voted against unilateral resolutions at the [UN] Human Rights Commission, again, makes them feel that we too don't see this as black and white, that we think that suicide bombing must be condemned."

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

            And that is what they called them the "Oslo" accords…. no wait… that is why they met at Camp David… no, wait….

            Hmmm… has Canada ever brokered negotiations between mid east countries? No.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            Which you regard as a cause for celebration?

          • Wascally Wabbit

            Bizarre really that…despite Levant's and jarrid's feeble misdirections to the contrary..it was true that for at least a generation, Canada's Foreign Policy was to play honest broker. That followed a stupid excursion into partisanship by the Tories under Joe Clark – who – while I and a couple of thousand Canadians at least – were working in Saudi Arabia – tried to move the Canadian Embassy from tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
            Now the bizarre part is that Tony Blair seems to be the West's only negotiator – and it is questionable that – with his history – he could ever be perceived as impartial.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

            If you can follow the conversation, you can see that I am correcting Trillium's misconceptions.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

      Well, if I can try and tie this big question into the R&D story, I guess it comes down to a few specific questions:

      • The always tough question of how to support two parties (Israel and the Palestinians) who are both in the wrong and both in the right; not an issue that is going to go away, unless we collectively decide to ignore them;
      • The general question of whether Canada's foreign policy should, for any particular foreign country, be mainly in the hands of ethnic minorities in Canada who naturally have emotional ties to that foreign country. Should our considerable Tamil population determine our Sri Lanka policy? Should our ethnically Scottish population, admittedly not a very self-conscious minority, influence our response to the upcoming Scottish referendum? Should our Muslim minorities and Jewish minorities influence our policy on Israel / Palestine? Is that the natural outcome of democracy, that citizens' sympathies are reflected in our foreign policy?
      • What does one do when two Canadian minority populations give their sympathies to opposite sides, as I presume must be the case with China / Taiwan as well as Israel / Palestine?

      These seem to me to be the subtexts here, insofar as there's something more edifying here than petty bickering.

      I'd like to go on record as saying we should call in Hercule Poirot.
      [youtube BXB_5WG7kJM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXB_5WG7kJM youtube]

      • jarrid

        I suppose I should have added that aside from not needing to be socially conservative to support Israel, neither do you have to be Jewish.

        And Jack, a quick question for you. Does the Israeli leadership seek the annihilation of its neighbours, as Iran's leadership does? Does Israel provide extensive military assitance to groups to destablize its neighbours, as Iran does by funding Hezbollah and Hamas? Both in the wrong? Can we seriously not take sides with Israel when you consider these facts on the ground, and not treat this in an anitseptic university-class seminar way?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

          I'm not Jack (more mature and less hirsute) but there is annihilation and there is eradication …

          http://www.imemc.org/index.php?obj_id=53&stor…

          And it's kinda funny how Goldstone has a hard time making it across the Atlantic ..

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jenn_ Jenn_

          I thought we were talking about Palestinians, not Iranians.

          • jarrid

            Unfortunately Jenn, you can't talk about Palestinians now without talking about Iran because Hezbollah and Hamas are Iranian proxies and Iran is deliberately using the Palestinians to foment unrest and to destabilize Israel and the rest of teh region to further their perverse geo-political goals.

          • wsam

            Good point. If it wasn't for Iran the Palestinians would be content with their situation.

            How is Israel destabilized?

            Israel is the most stable country in the region. It has the best military. A modern airforce. A strong, innovative economy. It has a well-travelled, well-educated population. It has the backing of the United States, the world's most powerful state. Most western countries and their elites, though they strive to appear fair and balanced, are far more comfortable with Israelis than they are with Saudi Arabians, Palestinians, Syrians, or Egyptians.

            And Israel has the bomb.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

          No, you certainly don't have to be Jewish to support hardline Israeli policies; but you're statistically more likely to object to them if you are. Of course, if you do you will instantly be denounced as a "house Jew" by the likes of Ezra Levant.

          Re: your quick question, or four. First, it's not "Israel vs. the world," since both Israel and its enemies are internally divided: even in Iran, the "left/libs" have found a voice. Within Israel, there's Peace Now and its descendants, people like Gideon Levy and several Israeli friends of mine, and the brave conscientious objectors from the IDF; there's middle-of-the-road Labour; there's Netanyahu and his uncompromising support of the settlers who are in the process of ethnically cleansing the West Bank in slow motion; and there's the far right that wants to do it fast. That's quite a range of opinion. Lebanon of course is deeply divided. Syria is a dictatorship so it doesn't really count, but there seems to be a range of opinion from the new king to the guys who annihilated Hama to the guys who were in Hama (along with the innocent population). And then there's the truly Byzantine complexity of Palestinian politics. To reduce all this complexity to "with Israel or against it" is to reduce Mideast politics to Saturday morning cartoons.

          As to "facts on the ground," there are atrocities on both sides. What Israel did to Lebanon in 2006, quite apart from attacking Hezbollah, i.e. bombing whole neighbourhoods in Beirut and reducing that country's infrastructure to rubble, was appalling, and together with the siege and shelling of Gaza definitely puts Israel, along with its enemies, in the wrong — we can quarrel about who's in the wrong to what degree, but they're all a bunch of coldblooded killers. The people who aren't in the wrong are the Israeli, Palestinian, and Lebanese civilians who keep getting blown up for absolutely goddamn nothing.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/A_logician A_logician

            I'm quite sure this isn't at all what you intend, but your final sentence comes perilously close inviting paraphrase as "the only good Palestinian/Israeli/Lebanese is a dead Palestinian/Israeli/Lebanese."

            Fortunately, your earlier paragraphs make it quite clear you believe there are living examples of all of these tribes who seek peace in preference to indiscriminate slaughter of the other tribes. Would that there were more on all sides (and among the posters here).

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            Oh, sorry, yes, didn't mean it like that.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/NorthernPoV NorthernPoV

        Not sure the Taiwan example works as the difference is more political than ethnic.

        My complaint is that the right has hijacked yet another part of Canadian life that used to be better. We used to have a more civil discourse about the mideast. Now, (as has been the case in the USA for 20 or 30 years) any critic of the nation of Israel is labeled anti-Semitic (you know the genus)

        • kcm

          Damn right! Jarrid likes to pretend he's tolerant of opposing ideas/pov, but i doubt it. It's becoming increasingly clear [on curret available evidence] that the new board members, and by extension the gov't, are only intent on having their views represented.

          • jarrid

            I'm as tolerant as you are, we simply disagree politically. Your point is what exactly kcm?

          • kcm

            My point is your rhetoric rarely seems to match your professed tolerance. I would never get the feeling, for instance, that you are at all interested in opposing pov in this particular case. [ R&D] Merely stating ad nauseum that all the staffers and the media covering this story are fully paid up members of some lib/left cartel. I on the other hand see no problem with having pro-Israeli viewpoints on the board…just not to the exclusion of all others. Perhaps i do you an injustice, but i don't have the feeling your tolerant of opinions outside of your own consevative convictions at all. Certainly the way you attempt to spin every issue leaves me with no other likely conclusion.

      • Mike T.

        WHY DO YOU HATE THE TROOPS JACK MITCHELL!!!!

        Duh.

    • Anon001

      Ezra = jarrid?

      Could it be?

      Their ranting style seems similar.

      • Jan

        If he could just stop lobbying for Israel instead of discussing the topic…

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/s_c_f s_c_f

        It's true, there is actually only one conservative in the country who has multiple costumes. Harper = Ezra = jarrid = scf.

        • Ted

          I dislike Harper as much as the next guy, but even I wouldn't go that low.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/craigola craigola

          You get around. When do you sleep? Is biff in there, too?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/NorthernPoV NorthernPoV

            saw your joke , then noted an explosive series below, – it's your fault, you called out the beast! ;-)

    • jaydayrock

      Jarrid,
      Yes, Israel likes to think of itself as a democracy. That doesn't stop it illegally occupying Palestine, laying a siege around Gaza, so that Gazans are slowly starving, killing 1400 people in it's invasion of Gaza last year, committing war crimes which have been very carefully documented, during this assault, denying human rights to
      Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, as well as in Israel, destroying Palestinian homes. I could go on, but you know all this already. It is time for Israel to stop hiding behind it's pathetic attempt at propaganda and clean up its act.

      • JamesHalifax

        Hey Jaydayrock…………..sounds like you would have fit right in at Rights and Democracy BEFORE Harper made the new appointments.

        You certainly share the mindset.

        • Holly Stick

          The mindset of refusing to apply double standards. If Israel commits war crimes it must be called to account just like any other nation on earth; and the evidence is that Israel has been committing war crimes.

  • http://theplaceofbiff.blogspot.com biff

    It says something about this blog and its regular commenters, that very real/legitimate questions by Ezra nets him a minus five rating (at this point),

    yet the following comment hurling nothing but petty insults at Ezra,

    nets a plus two.

    Labelling/branding, name calling,

    the preferred method of debate from the….

    tolerant progressive left.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

      I think you mean today's tolerant, progressive left.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

        The programmers of Kody 2.0 dropped the word "today". They felt it was superfluous.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jenn_ Jenn_

        I agree, Jack. It really lost something without that word.

        • kcm

          Yes, form is important if you want to effectively slag your opponents…i'm afraid i can only give that a 5 Kody…er Biff. Try and tighten things up a bit can't you? We do have standards of hostility to uphold around here you know.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

          Yes, it's a shame to see k/b losing his command of nuance.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/craigola craigola

            I suspect left/Libs are to blame.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack Mitchell

            LOL, the last thing we need right now is some nefarious alliance between the left/libs and today's tolerant, progressive left.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/craigola craigola

            *shudder*

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

      so Ezra's question is legit and Jack's, kcm's and Jenn's are not more than insults? you are one daft bugger, aren't you?

    • JamesHalifax

      Unfortunately biff, todays tolerant left is far more tolerant than the left of yesteryear. today's tolerant LEFT tolerates:

      -Anti-semitism (under the guise of anti-zionism)
      -domestic terrorism (see any protest against globalization)
      -hate speech laws that only apply to those the LEFT disagrees with
      -government funding for groups who adhere to extreme socialist views

      What the LEFT won't tolerate…..are people who disagree with them.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jenn_ Jenn_

        Wow, that's a lot of labelling/branding or name calling you've got going on there.

        Biff tells me you must be part of . . .

        (today's) tolerant, progressive left.

        I'm sorry, I just couldn't do it without the today's part. It loses everything without it!

  • biff

    As for the substance of the debate, many (mostly conservative) scholars have noted the implicit, if not explicit alliance between the radical left and radical Islam.

    From the left's perspective, any belief system that attempts to destabilize/destroy capitalist society (albiet an erroneous belief as radical Islam has precious little to do with the class warfar that the left is engaged in),

    will render outright support, if not sympathy, for its causes, howsoever nefarious.

    Thus the left has turned a blind eye to the declarations of destruction of the only capitalist western style nation in the region and has, at least tacitly sided with many of the regions most malignant regimes.

    • Jan

      You do realize that the mandate of Rights and Democracy is to promote – rights and democracy. And it's a conservative government who seems to be trying to curtail it's activities. So I'm not sure how your above comment squares with that. Perhaps you could explain.

    • kcm

      It's been noted that some marxists have sought common cause with radical islam, yes. However, It's a stretch from there to the left wants to destroy capitalist society…particularly when it's someone like you who's doing the defining. In other words anyone who didn't support the agenda of George Bush, or your pal Steve.

      Only the left engages in class warfare eh! What a sad lonely little myopic world you must live in.

    • wsam

      Many scholars (specifically a marine biologist finishing his PhD on rising algae levels in interior BC freshwater ponds) have noted ‘the implicit, if not explicit alliance’ between bif, jarrid, Canadian neo-conservatives, University of Calgary alumni and foods such as vegetables, kiwi fruit and extra-creamy chocolate cheesecake.

      From this latter group’s perspective, any statement, utterance, mumbled or otherwise, rhyming couplet, limerick, random piece of graffiti, or fashion sense they disagree with is emblematic of the German variety of National Socialism. Skinny jeans, vintage flannel shirts, ironic sweat bands and that small, swarthy fellow who works at the local Tim’s, the one with the funny name which is almost entirely made up of vowels, being among the most prominent examples of things which are scary.

      • kcm

        That merits a 10 out of 10 .

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

        What's so bad about skinny jeans? I'm puzzled…

  • biff

    Thus we are left with the left's cause celebre's of the day:

    Taliban prisoners,
    Omar Khadr,

    Who occupy headline after leftist headline, in attempts to engage our sympathies.

    There's no doubt many a western hero, fighting the Taliban/terrorist monsters, who've shed blood fighting for our way of life against a malignant force who'd like nothing more than to have that life taken away from us, leaving nothing but brutal radical Islam rule.

    But the left leaning media cannot spare an inch or two of its precious news space, dedicated instead to the likes of Khadr, who himself was dedicated to the murder of our brave citizens, and our way of life in general.

    • Jan

      Actually, it's the rule of law – that's what up for discussion. Do we follow it or abandon it when we run across people we find undesirable?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless

      Off topic. Fail.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ricard_S_Argent Richard_S_Argent

    you seem to have gotten lost on your way to http://www.smalldeadanimals.com

    (perhaps you took a….wait for it….left turn at Albequerque?)

    • http://theplaceofbiff.blogspot.com biff

      So you believe that Khadre deserves post after post upon headline upon further headline,
      to the exclusion of a single Canadian hero then?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/YYZ YYZ

        I believe he deserves a goddamn trial in a legitimate court – full stop. Happy to see headlines until then.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/A_logician A_logician

      +1 for the Bugs Bunny reference

  • http://theplaceofbiff.blogspot.com biff

    Are there any Canadian or, god forbid, American heroes left?

    Have any of them warranted a single mention on this site, let alone the vaunted coverage, our precious Khadr has garnered here?

    The poor misunderstood Khadr, caught in a terrorist training camp (oh c'mon all the kids are doing that these days) lobbing grenades at our brave soldiers and beholden to a radicalized world view wishing death on all of us – the left's hero de jour.

    • kcm

      So just what should they do with a 15 year old boy that done wrong then Biff? Does he deserve a trial at all? Should he rot in a foreign prison forever? Should they just shoot him, after taking all that trouble to not let him die? Just what do you want Biff? What constitutes your pound of flesh…just what will satisfy the outraged citizen in you? Can you do anything except express your undying contempt for liberal democracy ? What's your price Biff?

      • http://theplaceofbiff.blogspot.com biff

        Of all the injustices going on in this world. Of all the horrid suffering of true innocents (innocent with absolute certainty – since thier suffering is based on simply wishing for freedom), the horrid misery around all of us, and of all the people risking thier lives to abate that horror,

        for the press to focus so much on an avowed terrorist speaks volumes.

        Me? I know there is horror in this world. The full square three meals a day, untouched Koran, daily worship services, and sensitivity training by US guards,

        for this terrorist who wishes me and my children dead, doesn't come close to entering my sphere of concern.

        Not even close.

        • kcm

          You have it backwards Biff. Most reasonable people who are concerned about this issue [ i think i fit that bill] are concerned with the application of law and speedy justice. In other words i'm as much concerned with us upholding our laws and standards as i am with Khadr per se. It's just much worse in this instance because of the individuals age.

      • http://theplaceofbiff.blogspot.com biff

        I have a close elderly relative, spending day upon humiliating day in a hallway in one of our hospitals. She gets bedsores because she is old and our "public" health system only has so many resources. I'd like to pay to help her, but alas, paying medical staff for her would be a crime.

        Khadr is treated, much, much better than her, I can assure you.

        • kcm

          I sympathisize with your situation. I too believe you should be able to alleviate her suffering if you are able. Rules for the sake of rules is itself a crime. But i believe you're wrong, Kadhr has been tortured and denied a speedy and fair trial…this should be a minimum, a minimum for anyone. You're conflating two different tragedies. No amount of suffering or injustice inflicted on Khadhr will change your circumstance. If you mean there are lots of people out there who are worthier of our sympathy than a kid who despite having a foul upbringing still made some bad choices he has to live with…i would humbly suggest he already is. Isn't it enough? Or don't you believe in second chances?

        • wsam

          No he is not.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stewart_Smith Stewart_Smith

          biff, The point about Khadr is not just Khadr or even mostly Khadr. I suspect every thoughtful person recognizes that at best Khadr was once an innocent screwed over by his family and at worst he had a precocious bent towards terrorism. In either case, he is damaged goods and will be a problem to deal with once he is back in Canada.

          However, he was born in Canada and is a Canadian.
          The government of Canada (yes, with Chretien in charge) crossed several lines, intruded into his life, deprived him of his charter rights as a Canadian. The current government (with SH in charge) disputed this. The issue is now settled and the government of Canada is obliged to address the issue.

          The reason this is important is that it pertains to the responsibility of government to respect an individual's rights. If the current government maintains the status quo then Canada will defacto become a country in which the government of the day decides which individuals will have their rights respected and which will not.

          From this perspective, the most important aspect is the response of the Canadian government since it pertains to all of us born in Canada. Many of us care deeply that the government respect the Charter's provisions to respect the rights of the individual from over-zealous governments and the authority of the Supreme Court. Personally I don't have a very strong opinion about the response of the US government.

          • kcm

            'If the current government maintains the status quo then Canada will defacto become a country in which the government of the day decides which individuals will have their rights respected and which will not"

            Of course that would please some cons, as it would wind the clock back [somewhat] to pr-charter days, when pols happily played who's a good Canadian.

      • JamesHalifax

        I pick door Number #3 kcm.

        • kcm

          Good for you. Hope it makes you happy.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless

      Off topic. Fail.

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